Game Development

hasherr

12:14 AM

eyy I'm back

Dave

Any one know where i can find information on development time of AAA games?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@Dave Depends on what quality of AAA you want :P

Dave

well any well known big titles of the last year or two

im making a chart of development times and costs

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Still hard to say.

Generally, startup companies will spend more time, while established companies with their tools worked out will be able to release a new AAA game in much shorter time.

Pip

12:59 AM

@hasherr sup Hashbrown

Dave

@hasherr where you been

Almo

2:44 AM

shit

I'm sure I visited

was up to like 30 or 40

user4704

Bummer.

Almo

O hai josh

The Martian is a good movie

user4704

I heard.

user4704

I liked the book, I'm going to try to go see it Sunday.

user4704

I'd go see it tonight but instead I am writing a meta post :|

user4704

2:50 AM

(and my wife is at work)

Pip

The Martian is a fantastic movie

Anyway, heading to bed. Night

@Almo I'm up to like 55!

user4704

Should we split the site chat? meta.gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/2019/…

user4704

I never do that right the first time.

user4704

github.com/macvim-dev/macvim/issues/87 this is very interesting

Almo

I think you have it

user4704

3:06 AM

Only happens if don't enter insert mode.

user4704

Which sort of makes sense.

user4704

I'm kind of surprised it works at all in normal mode.

Almo

ahha

:)

Stack Exchange

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Q: Should we split the chat into on- and off-topic rooms?

A user has proposed effectively splitting our site's chat room into on- and off- topic sub-rooms. A grassroots attempt to populate or otherwise prove obvious utility of the room was given about two weeks or so to show something for itself. I'm posting this question to get a feeling from the comm...

user92578

6:59 AM

Morning guys!

Lasse

'ning

user92578

So that Alec guy really wants to "elevate the level" of this chat

Lasse

F him, he's just one elititst guy

user92578

yeah, totally

user92578

I ignored him on the first day I met him

user92578

7:03 AM

I was actually thinking about pinging him and asking him what's a pointer

Lasse

he can have his own chatroom if he wants to

user92578

but then I was like "nah, I'm above that" :D

user92578

Yeah!

user92578

And talk solely "on topic" "good quality" shit there

Lokkij

7:14 AM

I feel like his definition of 'on topic' is very different from mine.

If we want to create another room to be the on-topic room I feel like it should be as welcoming as possible.

user92578

7:30 AM

With the attitude he has towards us (at least most of us) I can't imagine him actually believing that we would agree with his ideas

user92578

7:42 AM

user92578

A new spawner sprite, what do you think?

user92578

Next up I think I'll try to improve the cage sprite

user92578

8:18 AM

I kinda like these:

user92578

Lokkij

It's fine, but maybe a bit too bland for an objective.

user92578

good point

user92578

8:46 AM

user92578

hmm, not sure

user92578

The locks don't really pop up

Lokkij

Agreed, I didn't see the locks at first.

user92578

Now these pop up a little too much I think

user92578

8:48 AM

And don't quit fit the jungle theme I've got going

Lasse

oh it's a lock, I thought it was part of the guy

Lokkij

Yeah. Maybe have them on the side of the cafe?

user92578

I'll try that

user92578

What about the coloring?

user92578

Side works great BTW

user92578

8:49 AM

Lasse

I think the color is fine on the last one

user92578

Aight

user92578

I'm actually not convinced on the bottom of the cage look

user92578

That's quite good I think

Lokkij

8:57 AM

That's pretty nice, yeah

Lokkij

9:21 AM

I expect to be listed in the credits as 'Guy Who Suggested The Lock On The Cages Should Go On The Side Instead Of In The Middle' now :P

user92578

lol

user92578

You'll all get to the credits I promise

user92578

Well, almost all

user92578

[S]Gui/Logo2.png

[R]Developed by Tyyppi_77

Additional Sounds by Little Robot Sound Factory

Executive Special Help
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user92578

My current credits format looks like that

user92578

9:23 AM

[S] renders a sprite and [R] renders the text red

user92578

curly braces make the line offset smaller

Lokkij

Executive Special Help I love it :D

user92578

:D

user92578

I'm trying to draw out my trigger action system to a piece of paper

user92578

so many arrows pointing from things to other things

Lokkij

9:31 AM

You should possibly do some decoupling then

But maybe not, I don't now the system :P

user92578

I don't think so, I have already kind of decoupled the actual functioning triggers from the triggers in the level editor

user92578

Maybe I should just start programming

Wardy

@Tyyppi_77 lookng awesome as expected!

user92578

9:57 AM

Thanks a ton!

Wardy

I spose I should have a look at my UV problem :(

user92578

Those are a pain

Wardy

problem mapping a generated texture to a generated mesh ... yeh i'd say its a pain alright

user92578

I'm trying to force myself to work on the trigger system

user92578

The last "big" thing left in the editor I guess

Lokkij

10:27 AM

Urgh I want Unity to support the ?. operator so badly.

user92578

10:40 AM

ah, right

user92578

hmm so I need to figure out how I'm going to edit vector values in the property editor inside the level editor

user92578

I am finally making some progress tough:

user92578

Wardy

@Lokkij id rather unity just supported .Net rather than this bullshit excuse for a language that resembles it

async would be nice, tasks, maybe an API that also lets you work with mesh buffers more directly too

user92578

Actually it would be better if I could just click stuff for the positions...

user92578

10:55 AM

Yeah I think I'll need that

user92578

And then those vector values that you actually need to edit by hand I'll do with just separate X and Y boxes

Wardy

ah 2D ... life is so much simpler ... lol

user92578

lol this shit ain't easy bro

Chris

I'm on my third go of retopologizing a model into a low-poly version, to the point where I just paid for a pair of male and female low-poly meshes cuz I can't do it well enough myself lol

Wardy

character modelling is arguably one of the hardest bits to game programming imo

its where the player is focusing a lot of their attention so has to be bang on

bang on == hell for a developer

Chris

10:59 AM

As a last resort, if I do some half-assed modelling and texturing, that if I just don't like it, I wouldn't be surprised if I hire talent on my last leg of development towards the end

but yeah, has to look excellent

but yeahh I really wanna get into clothing creation/customisation, so sort of want something to toy with sooner than later >_<

fireballs! gfycat.com/PortlyThornyCod

Wardy

11:36 AM

lol

user92578

@Chris cool!

user92578

you really get stuff done

Chris

thanks, I try... atm I'm finding it hard, but that's why I'm trying to get more base human stuff in. Add characters and it makes things easier to feel like it's worth pursuing

adding your death/losing condition is also a good motivator to make things feel like you don't wanna lose :)

I am not sure what I'm gonna do about faces. I tried some facial decals but it looked wrong, and rigging eyeballs and lips feels like too much for me, so might just go for a blank face look for the timebeing

Wardy

hmmmm looks like i don't just have a UV problem but a vert generation issue too

Chris

aww :(

user92578

11:43 AM

@Chris Blank faces FTW (look at GunHero, no faces there)

user92578

All tough I don't have faces because I can't fit those in

Wardy

user92578

I have no idea what I'm looking at

Wardy

wierd ... both meshes generated using the same code and yet left one is fine and the right one isn't

user92578

But I gotta say it seems really fucking cool

Wardy

11:44 AM

@Tyyppi_77 the side of a procedurally generated planet :)

Chris

@Tyyppi_77 :P There's a NZ company making the Ashen game atm, and too has a blank face look: assets1.ignimgs.com/thumbs/userUploaded/2015/6/16/…

user92578

:D

user92578

#noface #noemotions #nodevtime #blankness

Chris

#indielife

user92578

But yeah, my faces are 3 pixels wide

Chris

11:45 AM

that's pretty small

user92578

yup

user92578

but I like my character sprites

Chris

it's all good then

user92578

yeah

user92578

now, I just added an "entity type" property type to my property editor

user92578

11:47 AM

It works otherwise just fine, but the listbox's selection panel appears at the wrong position

Chris

least you don't have to fight Unity's canvas stuff! Though I'm not sure which would be worse lol

user92578

I guess :D

user92578

Chris

@Jon have you found any good way to implement easings into Unity?

user92578

11:49 AM

The "expand" buttons are also a bit off, but that's just because I've just hardcoded their sizes in

Wardy

@Chris i have bigger issues with unity ... like the lack of an async model for solving my async problem that is voxel chunking

Chris

yeah that doesn't sound like a good time

Wardy

and the lack of any ability to generate a buffer with a compute shader then pass that to a mesh without a cpu based round trip

major time costs :(

Chris

even for stuff like multiplayer servers... it's really meant for a one-level-at-a-time type deal

mmm

Wardy

I do however now have tasks in unity

I wrote my own System.Threading.Tasks.Task implementation that basically mirrors the usual .Net 4.0 API

Chris

11:52 AM

nice

user92578

Oooh, sounds cool

Wardy

so if unity every upgrades to .Net 4 I can just delete the code

but until then I can still use tasks

user92578

That's smart

Chris

Sell it on the Asset Store lol

Wardy

I just can't call the Unity API within a task

If you guys want the code i'll give it to you

it's pretty crude

but it works

Chris

11:53 AM

I'll pass for now, thx tho

sounds too advanced for lil ol' me lol

Wardy

	Task GenerateHeightMap()
	{
		return Task.Factory.StartNew(() =>
		{
			dataGen.GenerateSpherical(Region.South, Region.North, Region.West, Region.East);
		});
	}

user92578

I've tried to avoid threading as much as I can

Wardy

that's code i have in my planet region generator

user92578

I think my in-game gif tool is the only thing that actually uses threading while ingame

Wardy

problem with voxels is that not threading is a huge time waste

user92578

11:55 AM

Yeah I'm sure

Wardy

you need the threading to ensure stuff is done in a timely fashion

user92578

These are the times when I curse my own GUI code

user92578

Why the fuck is the selection panel at the wrong position

Wardy

I need a mesh gen expert :(

user92578

Aight here we go

user92578

12:03 PM

But surprise surprise, I have Z issues...

user92578

"It's something"

Jon

@Chris yeah

Well, no, not really, but I have my solution

Chris

iTween?

I noticed recently with Unity 5.2 I guess, there's a LerpUnclamped now

Jon

naw, hold on

pastebin.com/T7Sj6k0a

i ported some code a while back, and I have just been using this lib since

user92578

12:07 PM

@Chris I'm pretty sure I'm using a tweener helper I got from you

Jon

Feel free to use it

Chris

Well thank you, I'll bookmark and give it a go some time

@Tyyppi_77 yeah that's quite possibly a similar way to start

Jon

Oh

That is an older version of it, but its fine

I modified it to remove the Ended Event in my newer one

Chris

I remember trying Unity's AnimationCurve thing once but it wouldn't go past the clamps, though I hadn't been using LerpUnclamped at the time cuz it didn't exist

ah yeah

user92578

Yeah then I just use an enum and then my "advanced" tweens are just cubic beziers

user92578

12:09 PM

Not very easy tough, requires always some boilerplate code

Jon

i imagine there is a way to do it better in unity?

Chris

I just SmoothStep everything

user92578

LerpUnclamped doesn't clamp the progression to 0-1?

Chris

Probably... this iTween thing looks promising but I'm too lazy to try implementing a plugin just for some tweening lol assetstore.unity3d.com/en/#!/content/84

Jon

iTween lookd bloated to me

The animation editor provides ways to animate with curves

HOWEVER, it screws up when you try to move it with code and animation curves at the same time

Chris

12:12 PM

right

Jon

Star Wars Battlefront - RIP Luke Skywalker

►

Wardy

@Jon HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

i literally ROFL'ed there

Chris

lol, perfect.

Jon

I purposely tried to get squashed by the atat and it just pushed me away

possibly because of same team, i don't know

Wardy

omg was that you playing?

ps4 ?

Jon

12:16 PM

no

i have it on pc though

Wardy

is it out now?

Jon

just the beta

Wardy

I thought it wasn't out til 1st dec

ah ok

Jon

2 levels multiplayer -- 1 single player

Wardy

any good?

Jon

12:17 PM

if you get it, let me know, we can do the single player in party mode

yeah its pretty sweet

not sure how to drive the atat

gonna go read actually

Wardy

niiice

Jon

ok so you can't control them

the path of the ATAT is scripted and can't be changed.. LAAAAAME

i see pepole flying around

is that scripted too?

Wardy

omg im in hte habit of generating jigsaw puzzles

Jon

12:39 PM

that is cool

Wardy

Inside out planet anyone?

despite being very wrong ... its oddly cool

Kevin van der Velden

Iiinteresting

Wardy

that's what my planets look like when i go inside them normally

for some odd reason I appear to be generating strips on the inside and tris on the outside

if i put the indexing right then go inside I get that

very wierd

and from the outside I see this

need to get the textures loading some test textures so I can figure out what the hell is going on with those UV's

OMG I FIXED IT!!!!!

my uv's were right just needed to reverse the array

Jon

haha, nice

you idiot

Wardy

wow !!!

Jon

12:47 PM

pic

anyone ever put dog mitts on their pets?

Wardy

considering it

mine keeps hurting his paws

what pet ya got?

Jon

lmfao

Wardy

rofl

Jon

cocker spaniel -- my parents redid their floors

i want to bring her over, but don't want to scratch the floors

lol, its a price i'm willing to make her pay

one time we were having sex and she jumped up ,and I said, yeah more like "cocker blocker"

she laughed so hard it was postponed

user92578

lol

Wardy

12:52 PM

yay a complete working procedural planet

Chris

vnice

user92578

awesome

user92578

hmm, this z-order stuff is annoying

Wardy

now to add my atmosphere stuff and the lod scaling so I can start to look at landing on this beast

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