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Pip
2:24 AM
Night @Wardy
 
 
6 hours later…
user92578
8:28 AM
Morning
 
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So I've been thinking about getting a new keyboard
 
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And I found this one that I like, has tons of buttons and cool lights and media keys and stuff
 
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Steelseries Apex
 
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But I just cut out a piece of paper to get the idea of how big it is
 
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8:31 AM
And I don't think it's going to fit to my desk too well
 
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It's too wide to fit between the huge monitor stands my monitors rest on, and it's quite deep (the dimension from me towards the monitors) so it would really just leave maybe ten centimeters from the edge of the desk
 
Wait wait wait
There's a keyboard larger than the g15?
Ooh no that's the V2 g15, hold on
 
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yup
 
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apex is bigger
 
Yes it is larger than the v1 o.o
Hmmm
 
user92578
8:37 AM
but damn the apex looks good
 
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Maybe I should first get something like this:
 
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A stand like that wouldn't probably have to be attached to destroy my desk
 
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And it would remove the two huge circles my monitors currently have for stands
 
user92578
8:39 AM
And then I could pivot if I wanted
 
I have not those but the same kind of thing, I like 'm
 
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I looked at some of those stands that you hook up to your table a while back
 
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But people kept saying that they are not very stable
 
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And I have two really heavy 6/7kg 27'' monitors
 
Mine rest on top and clamp on the bottom
They're as stable as the table they're on
 
user92578
8:44 AM
How many monitors did you have again?
 
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And do you have a separate stand for each one? Or a triple stand? Or..?
 
A single stand and a double stand
 
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I see
 
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8:49 AM
Wait do you have this?
 
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Is that your setup @Tyyppi_77?
You're making me jealous :P
I just have a single 1400x900 monitor.
 
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@Lokkij That's Kevins
 
Huh why'd you post it then?
 
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magic
 
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8:52 AM
I have cameras everywhere
 
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DAN DAN TAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
 
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Crappy picture, but this is me:
 
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See how my desk was made for hobbits?
 
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@Lokkij My desk is never that messy
 
8:56 AM
Haha fair enough
 
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But to the magic part, Kevin posted his setup here a while back (because I wanted to see it), so I just searched it
 
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I'm really happy that I learned that I can change the color of my mouse yesterday
 
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Now I've got that cool red thing going on
 
Haha nice
 
@Tyyppi_77 My desk is always messier
 
user92578
9:09 AM
Yesterday I was drawing some code architecture out on a piece of paper and I felt super uncomfortable it being on the desk while I then went out and programmed it
 
I only really care about my mouse area.
 
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Hey guys now that we're at it, I'd love to see your setups too
 
I'll take a pic
 
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(then I'll judge you by their messiness level)
 
@Lokkij because I posted it a while ago and he has chat search
@Tyyppi_77 well yeah, if you put that much stuff on it you couldn't place your arms down =p
 
user92578
9:14 AM
LOL
 
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man that was awesome
 
my other monitor is not on because I lack a cable
 
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What keyboard is that?
 
K200
cheapest crap you can find
 
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Ah, I have K260, which is like the second cheapest crap you can find
 
user92578
9:17 AM
Dad gave me this when I got my first monitor
 
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(I was using a laptop back then)
 
I'm on a laptop now too
wchich is why I need a second displayport cable for the monitor
 
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But that's a cool setup
 
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The headphone hook is a nice touch
 
nah, I'd change a lot of things
 
user92578
9:19 AM
Well those speakers look pretty bad ass compared to mine
 
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I wonder if you can even see mine in the picture
 
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I just suddenly got really annoyed by the fact that the stands in my monitors come like 7cm out of the monitor
 
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Man this are like the least practical stands fucking ever
 
9:33 AM
wtf I just ate a huge bacon omelette and now I'm hungry again
 
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lol
 
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I'm really nervous, tomorrow's returning day at school, we get the grades for last period
 
Why you need to be nervous for that? You get what you get and if they are bad you just need to be better
 
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well true
 
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but I get nervous really fricking easy
 
9:50 AM
whoah prison architect 1.0 is released
about time
 
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DUDE DONT PRESSURE ME
 
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ITLL COME OUT WHEN ITLL COME OUT
 
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:)
 
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One thing I've found really useful lately:
 
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While programming new things, leave a // TODO: to everything that bothers you even a bit
 
user92578
9:59 AM
So you can focus on getting the stuff done, and then it's easy to come back and clean stuff, because you've already made some observations on what you have to change
 
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Yay! I can now properly save and load and (for most parts) edit trigger actions!
 
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The UI is really buggy for some reason
 
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Now I should probably try to translate the triggers in the editor into the actual functioning trigger classes
 
Time to work on some exciting game aspect!
Clicking the buttons of the pause menu!
 
user92578
10:09 AM
haha
 
Always seems weird to me that so many libraries and frameworks that purport themselves to be for video games offer so little basic objects used in most games
It's not overly difficult to find tutorials, but still
 
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What are you using?
 
XNA
Before that I used the C++ library that I forget the name of
 
I think so yeah
 
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10:24 AM
SFML?
 
SFML
(super fuck my life? =p)
 
But then I realized that I never wanted to use C++ again
 
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lol
 
Give me C or give me C#
Nothing in between
 
10:25 AM
I think knowing the basics of C++ is a good idea, but beyond that, I'd rather use C# to try out different designs.
As a hobbyist, I prefer to keep my development time low.
 
C++ feels too much like extra bits stacked on top of C
since that is what it is
 
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I won't even get started with why C++ is better than C
 
I know the feeling, C# feels too much like extra bits stacked on top of assembly as well
 
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^
 
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And sometimes assembly feels too much like extra bits stacked on top of binary machine code
 
10:33 AM
I dunno
the syntax feels a bit odd
 
...
You guys are being silly :P
 
@William'MindWorX'Mariager best way to respond to something silly right?
 
Look at my fancy pathfinding optimizing :P
@KevinvanderVelden Silly is always the best
 
shaderc why you no compile shaders?
That is literally your only job
 
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@William'MindWorX'Mariager looks really cool
 
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10:41 AM
> You can pass NULL for either x or y.
 
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Does that mean that both can't be NULL?
 
Poorly worded, but I think both can be NULL.
 
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Yeah that's what I was thinking
 
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But it's really badly said
 
@Tyyppi_77 Yeah, I think so. I'm trying to add a broad-phase to my grid pathfinding.
Basically navigate the graph first to cull out unnecessary parts of the grid.
 
user92578
10:45 AM
But yeah, the trigger editing seems to be working great now!
 
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All is left is creating the triggers for the test state
 
Yay!
You're making good progress.
 
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Finally, yaeh
 
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I procrastinated with this trigger stuff like three weeks
 
10:46 AM
As far as I can tell, you've made good progress for a long time.
 
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I did do some other random stuff in the between
 
Three weeks is nothing
 
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Yeah I guess so, and thanks :)
 
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This is a really cool and relatively easily extendable system for the triggers
 
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Oh actually, I still gotta add position selection to the property editor
 
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10:47 AM
So that I can just click on a tile and it'll set the position
 
Yeah! Shaders work better when you say the fragment shader is a fragmetn shader
And not tell it it's supposed to be a vertex shader
 
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LOL
 
15 mins ago, by Kevin van der Velden
That is literally your only job
They can only do their job right, if you do yours right ;)
 
=[
@William'MindWorX'Mariager this one isn't my fault though!
tools/shaderc.exe --platform windows -p vs_4_0 -O 3 -i Shaders/Lib --type vertex --depends -o Shaders/dx11/vs_cubes.bin -f Shaders/Source/vs_cubes.sc
Error: 0x80004002
I blame that on not having the directx 11 sdk
 
10:54 AM
I've rewritten the makefile that comes with bgfx to, in stead of having to go "make TARGET=0" "make TARGET=1" "make TARGET=2" etc, I can just go "make"
I'm quite pleased with how it turned out, adding new targets is also trivial so if, say, mac is being weird I can compile shaders for mac specifically with some tweaks
 
I'll probably see about making a pull request for it, it's quite useful I think
 
@Wardy yes.
 
user92578
11:36 AM
@KevinvanderVelden Ah, the good old 0x80004002
 
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hmm I kinda want to leave the last few trigger things for tomorrow
 
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And work on something else today
 
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Maybe draw something
 
Jon
11:52 AM
DRAW!
POW (kills dog)
i feel like responding to artist wanted ad
then do some sketches
 
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hmm i suck at this
 
We all suck at this
 
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the colors are wrong
 
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and in general it just looks horrible
 
12:06 PM
@MickLH shhhh ... lol
 
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ah, pizza is here, bbl
 
12:27 PM
Yay, broad-phase is working!
 
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baaack
 
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Now that's a bit better
 
Pip
@William'MindWorX'Mariager nice
@Tyyppi_77 a little bit!
It's not centered
 
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what?
 
user92578
12:35 PM
I think it's as centered as with the current pixel size it can be
 
@Pip Yeah, definitely going to save some tiles.
 
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drawing pixel circles is hard
 
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this is too hard
 
12:52 PM
Is pixel circles hard? :P
 
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yes.
 
Two different distance methods. Manhatten distance is about 30% faster.
 
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Manhatten seems to prefer topright and pythagoras bottomleft
 
Yeah
private Int32 ManhattenDistance(HashPoint a, HashPoint b)
{
    var dx = b.X - a.X;
    var dy = b.Y - a.Y;
    return Math.Abs(dx) + Math.Abs(dy);
}

private Int32 Distance(HashPoint a, HashPoint b)
{
    var dx = b.X - a.X;
    var dy = b.Y - a.Y;
    return (Int32)(Math.Sqrt(dx * dx + dy * dy) * 100);
}
Hah, squared distance is a mess :P
Looks very natural though
 
user92578
1:07 PM
lol, true
 
It's extremely fast too :P 90% faster than regular pyth.
I think I'll stick with Manhatten. Good speed and precise enough.
 
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Just out of curiosity, what would manhatten squared look?
 
Identical to pyth without sqrt. Which makes sense :P
 
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Right...
 
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Stupid Tyyppi at it again :D
 
1:11 PM
Not stupid :P Questions like that are great
You learn something, and that's not stupid
Also, it depends on what you meant by squared :P
 
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Yeah I guess so
 
Math.Abs(dx * dx) + Math.Abs(dy * dy);
or
(Math.Abs(dx) + Math.Abs(dy)) * (Math.Abs(dx) + Math.Abs(dy));
 
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I meant (Manhatten(..))^2
 
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So the latter one
 
Then it looks different
I think it's the worst of the bunch :P
 
user92578
1:14 PM
wow yeah :D
 
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thanks for showing that :)
 
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So I accidentally searched for "{" in the whole project
 
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Surprisingly VS didn't crash
 
Pip
huh, nice
 
1:31 PM
@William'MindWorX'Mariager so I'm wondering why should a pythagoras-based path, be different from pythagoras-squared-based path?
 
Because the total cost of a path varies by a lot
 
I mean the shortest path in both measures should be equal right?
@William'MindWorX'Mariager how?
 
Gimme a sec :)
 
oh... it's not total cost^squared...
got it
 
Exactly :P
So yeah, squared is fine for finding the closest neighbor, but not fine for calculating total distance
 
1:34 PM
@William'MindWorX'Mariager I guess the problem is about how are you selecting the nodes on the path...
 
Well, as long as I stick with manhatten it'll be fine :)
It's fast and good enough. :P
 
@William'MindWorX'Mariager there are some edge cases that they differ a lot
it really depends on the input
@William'MindWorX'Mariager which path looks more natural? blue or red?
blue is Manhattan and red is Pythagoras... and they might each be the valid answer based on the context
 
Yeah, I know pyth is the best choice, but for heuristic and broadphase it should suffice.
Constant just assumes all distances are constant(1).
 
user92578
1:53 PM
pure awesome there
 
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I'm glad I came up with this: #define LEVELEDITORRECT_VALUE(r) (r).X, (r).Y, (r).W, (r).H
 
What does it do?
 
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It's handy when you have a method that takes in the position and size of a rect as separate arguments
 
@Tyyppi_77 so can't use introduce an overload?
 
user92578
1:57 PM
So instead of Method(longRectangleName.X, longRectangleName.Y, longRectangleName.W, longRectangleName.H)
 
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@Ali.S Not really, I don't want to do that
 
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... You can do Method(LEVELEDITORRECT_VALUE(longRectangleName))
 
personally I prefer overloading...
 
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@Ali.S The rect class is heavily tied to the level editor code, while I would prefer keeping the class that I use the macro with separate
 
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Yeah I prefer overloading in general too
 
user92578
1:59 PM
However I don't feel like CLevelEditor and CRenderDottedRect should have anything in common
 
@Tyyppi_77 you dont have rect in your engine?
 
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I do, but it's a CBoundingBox
 
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The current class is just a simple TLevelEditorRect that has a couple of constructors and then it stores the dimensions
 
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No collision code or such in there, just a simple POD structure
 
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I will add a CBoundingBox overload if necessary
 
2:15 PM
Looks messy, but it's fast :P
Final step is the actual pathfinding.
 
Pip
nice job
You going to open-source your pathfinding code?
 
I can do that.
 
Pip
Cool
I wasn't really asking for it, but nice :D
 
Pip
I'll definitely have to take a look at some point
 
2:17 PM
Well, it's mostly just me toying around, so I hadn't plan to release it :P
 
Pip
just ping me when you do I guess :P
 
But I guess stuff like this looks good on a resume :P
 
Pip
Uh huh!
 
@William'MindWorX'Mariager don't you really have a better background?
 
@Ali.S Hm?
The background is just to visualize the different "blobs" of tiles.
Just looks messy when it's in so small sectors.
 
2:26 PM
@William'MindWorX'Mariager it kinda looks like post-modern art!
 
That's what my GF thinks.
She wants me to save them and print them for the walls :P
She says it's programmer art :P
 
@William'MindWorX'Mariager it kinda looks like post-modern art!
 
2:39 PM
I wonder if I could abstract this a bit.
Use the same pathfinder on both my graph and my 2d grid.
I guess it's just a matter of making a "Graph" interface, and then make the Grid implement it.
 
Pip
3:00 PM
probably
 
Tried a sprite of a different size than the tiles, collisions errors are back, hurray
Maybe I should make the collision box the same size as the tiles
Might be good for perspective
 
point of reference would be cool @Slereah
 
It's fine, no questions currently
Just rambling a bit
 
lol ok
ramble away ... feels like a good fit here
 
Well as you know I wore an onion on my belt
which was the fashion at the time
And dimes had pictures of bumblebees on them!
 
3:16 PM
i feel some sort of alice in wonderland reference coming on here
 
More like simpsons
 
indeed
 
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