Game Development

i still have love for you guys even if you're so bad at coding that the very idea of a reliable programmer shakes you to the core, and i'll still help you with your problems even though you've never been capable of helping me with one

Wardy

12:45 PM

@MickLH I never said I wasn't a reliable programmer

TreDubZedd

@Wardy I don't suppose you've tried similar functionality with native .Net?

Lokkij

Sonya is such a bad hero.

Wardy

@TreDubZedd not yet ... may have to test it later though

the same code is designed to compile against both mono and .Net

Trouble is I can't install VS on windows 10 either yet

the final reboot seems to kill windows

although I haven't tried since the 10041 build push the other day

brb gonna grab some lunch

TreDubZedd

All those data points certainly seem to indicate your W10 install to be the issue...

MickLH

@TreDubZedd Why would you use render targets for transitions? Why would it be insane?

Kevin van der Velden

12:49 PM

Holy fuck that name O.o

Welcome! Xrandom letters and numbers

Xpl0s01v3DyN0M173

:D

TreDubZedd

@MickLH The idea is to separate the concerns of rendering ScreenA and ScreenB at the same time

Xpl0s01v3DyN0M173

Explosive Dynamite, Sir!

Kevin van der Velden

Nope, gonna have to keep it at Xrandom

Xpl0s01v3DyN0M173

Okay!

MickLH

12:50 PM

@TreDubZedd That seems completely reasonable to me, so why would it be insane?

Jon

if (Mathf.Abs(normal.x) > Mathf.Abs(normal.y))

TreDubZedd

It might be considered insane if there's a more traditional/well-accepted method of doing something similar

MickLH

@TreDubZedd I think the words are "unorthodox" or "suboptimal"

TreDubZedd

fair enough, @MickLH

MickLH

And if it's a simple effective solution, I don't believe it's insane to do something unorthodox

TreDubZedd

12:51 PM

But really, what's the difference? :)

MickLH

I'm saying don't be afraid to try it

If it works then it's probably good enough

TreDubZedd

I'm not...I am, however, looking to see if there are other, more orthodox ways of handling transitions

MickLH

Will your game do so many transition on so many computers, that the amount of energy wasted on efficiency will become a significant contributor to global warming?

TreDubZedd

haha; one can only hope.

MickLH

Well lets get a bound, if every single human played it constantly, would it?

TreDubZedd

12:53 PM

Not big enough.

Let's go galactic.

On legacy hardware.

MickLH

Because if not, you've already wasted too much time thinking about this.

TreDubZedd

In all honesty, probably not. Again, though, I'm looking to expand my understanding--by attempting to understand more orthodox methodologies.

MickLH

It seems you have two desires then

1. To solve your immediate problem. 2. To learn about the subject.

Have you considered tackling them separately?

TreDubZedd

I'm only asking this forum about #2.

MickLH

Then please, ask about that, instead of #1

TreDubZedd

12:56 PM

(and also trying to get the subject of the chat room back to gamedev)

MickLH

You want to use render to texture to create blending effects?

I know that's kinda backwards

But I'm trying to show you, it's ambiguous what you're asking. Kinda like a "best way to do X" question.

TreDubZedd

or swiping effects, or vortex, or whatever.

MickLH

What do you have to work with, as far as the images to transition between?

TreDubZedd

Ok, I get it. I'm seriously not a noob when it comes to getting pertinent, useful information--especially from stackexchange (gamedev or otherwise)

Can't a guy ask an open-ended question, in hopes of generating discussion?

Kevin van der Velden

@MickLH Oh, wow. All I asked was for you to provide evidence of your claims, where did that come from

MickLH

12:58 PM

I mean along the lines of, is one image on the framebuffer? are both images on the framebuffer?

Kevin van der Velden

@TreDubZedd not with mick around it seems =p

MickLH

No need for that.

TreDubZedd

Also, no need for all the condescension.

Kevin van der Velden

^ Pretty much that

MickLH

No need for transitions, either. Just draw the next frame then, peace out.

Kevin van der Velden

1:01 PM

But @TreDubZedd, I think that a transition with putting the last frame of the old scene in the frame buffer would be much easier

MickLH

That message literally says nothing.

Putting the last frame in the framebuffer... Why, it's already there?

Kevin van der Velden

Before switching scenes (but after loading the new scene) set the last frame to render to a buffer, and then you can render a fullscreen quad with a shader for effects

@MickLH uuh right, what's the word, just a random image buffer

MickLH

renderbuffer? texture?

GnomeSlice

Kevin van der Velden

Probably

GnomeSlice

1:02 PM

@Chris Yeeeessssssss

That looks SO much better than the old cycle system

MickLH

@KevinvanderVelden Why is there any animosity going on between us? I wouldn't be here if I didn't want to share what I've learned over the years of thinking and doing, for fun and for profit.

Kevin van der Velden

@MickLH I have no idea, why are you "attacking" everything I say?

MickLH

I'm not. I have not intended to attack anything.

Kevin van der Velden

And attacking may not be the right term but eh

MickLH

I've set out to communicate honestly, I'm sorry if my natural patterns of thought are offensive to the majority of people.

Kevin van der Velden

1:04 PM

@MickLH "That message literally says nothing." sounds awfully aggresive

I can look for more but that wouldn't be a very useful way of spending time

MickLH

I don't know how to sugar coat that, All the sugar coated versions I came up with were only more disrespectful.

I still don't have one

Kevin van der Velden

Well you could have waited a few seconds and assumed I was still typing?

MickLH

Sure, I'll make that assumption every time then for everyone

Kevin van der Velden

This is a chat where you can't tell the other person is typing, in stead of immediately going aggressive you could think "Maybe they're still typing? Let's wait a few seconds to be nice"

Jon

TreDubZedd

1:09 PM

@Jon That's terrifying...and I'm not sure exactly why.

MickLH

@KevinvanderVelden I'm deeply afraid that I'll invest all this patience into you and get nothing in return.

How am I supposed to feel comfortable?

Kevin van der Velden

@MickLH a few seconds

MickLH

Assuming too much...

Jon

heh

GnomeSlice

What are you guys even fighting about

Jon

1:12 PM

jgallant.com/Rastan/Rastan.html

Kevin van der Velden

Then just don't talk to me, I'm fine with that too

GnomeSlice

It looks like you're fighting about whether or not you're fighting

MickLH

If I hear the word "fight" one more time, I'm leaving

Kevin van der Velden

@GnomeSlice I have no idea, all I said was "Eh, that's an awful lot of claims you're making, I don't see any evidence for them though"

GnomeSlice

Has anybody here seen astrobasecommand.com

Looks pretty neat

Not sure I like the way they're doing interaction though

Seems like most or all of it is done through this little computer thing?

So you like sit at a desk in the game and fiddle with your computer to make changes to the station

TreDubZedd

1:14 PM

The kind of game that lends itself to multiple monitors...

Kevin van der Velden

Or a VR setup

TreDubZedd

...and a KVM switch.

Jon

or you just don't play it because the interface sucks

GnomeSlice

We'll see how it turns out

user92578

@KevinvanderVelden Can we get this? So that we could see when other person is typing?

GnomeSlice

1:16 PM

It's still pretty early, they could make a lot of changes.

Kevin van der Velden

@Tyyppi_77 meh, I don't know if I'd like that for the big chats

user92578

true

user92578

@OliverSchöning This is awesome! (my ears hurt, but it was well worth it)

Wardy

1:31 PM

@TreDubZedd I think the install is fine it's just that windows is currently crap for dev tools support ... i can't even install VS without completely killing it

Kevin van der Velden

I recall someone else here also having trouble with that

Wardy

@MickLH wait wtf ... since when?

@TreDubZedd lol

@Jon nice physics work there!

Jon

its all in the libs

Wardy

@MickLH fight ? ... you ... never ... you simply imply context of a fight then deny that context in order to imply some level of intelligence you claim you have.

MickLH

I'm busy making music

Wardy

1:42 PM

@MickLH isn't that the second time in about an hour that you have been called out on making outragous claims? ... and no reaction ... are you ill ?

MickLH

I can't please your appetite right now, anxiety blocks creativity

fredley

Please stop spamming flags.

Hakase

ye

Jon

wut flags?

Kevin van der Velden

Is there a flag fight? :o

Hakase

1:43 PM

they get invalidated anyway

Wardy

flags? haha who's flagging ?

fredley

Reminder: all flags pop up for every 10k user on the whole of chat.

Kevin van der Velden

Too many bridge people, both me and @GnomeSlice are here

So of course there are flags

Wardy

@fredley i took offense to that .... should I flag it ?

Kevin van der Velden

And now also @fredley but he's only here because of the flags

Jon

1:44 PM

what was flagged?

MickLH

I'll continue flagging everything that was posted with the intent to harm my mood.

fredley

@Wardy pls

MickLH

@Wardy Get to the question or get blocked.

Jon

if you are offended, you should politely leave :)

MickLH

8 secs ago, by Jon

if you are offended, you should politely leave :)

Wardy

1:44 PM

lol

Kevin van der Velden

@MickLH what... the... ?

fredley

If people are annoying you, there is an ignore function

Wardy

I haven't been flagging ... im actually in a very good mood today

fredley

Flags should be used for things that are inappropriate.

MickLH

Like emotional abuse?

fredley

1:45 PM

@MickLH This is what the ignore function is for

Wardy

@fredley mick needs a perma flag then

Kevin van der Velden

I repeat: what... the... ?

MickLH

Because he has no reason to blatantly attack my character.

Jon

don't you dare ignore me

i will flag the shit out of you if you do that to me

Kevin van der Velden

@MickLH where did he do that?

MickLH

1:46 PM

It's inappropriate

Wardy

@Jon ROFL

MickLH

3 mins ago, by Wardy

@MickLH isn't that the second time in about an hour that you have been called out on making outragous claims? ... and no reaction ... are you ill ?

4 mins ago, by Wardy

@MickLH fight ? ... you ... never ... you simply imply context of a fight then deny that context in order to imply some level of intelligence you claim you have.

Wardy

oh come on

MickLH

7 mins ago, by Wardy

@MickLH wait wtf ... since when?

Wardy

that's normal for you

MickLH

1:46 PM

No

Wardy

really how far back do we go this time?

MickLH

What purpose do you have for these horribly offensive remarks?

fredley

This room was placed in timeout for 1 minute; the topic of this room is "Game development and other polite discussion. Please don't star trivial messages." - conversation should be limited to that topic.

If you two can't stand each other, I'd advise you to ignore each other. There's literally nothing to be gained from bickering.

Wardy

that was polite humour ... sorry @fredley

MickLH

Sorry for going 7 minutes back, didn't mean to dig up the past.

Wardy

1:48 PM

I think mick is just playing up his being offended to get a reaction from moderation

fredley

@Wardy It seems that not everyone took it that way.

MickLH

@Wardy Last chance to make nice.

Lets start fresh, lets be friends

Wardy

I'm usually very nice ... I'm usually the one that gets offended

then you take the piss out of me for being so

MickLH

Lets not rationalize or make excuses on either side.

Wardy

irony or what

MickLH

1:49 PM

Lets not demote each other to "less than human"

Lets just make nice, ok?

Wardy

sure :)

MickLH

Thanks, I'll be making music now

Jon

rock on

Wardy

haha

oh the irony of that conversation

fredley

My work here is done *floats off into the ether*

Jon

1:50 PM

with his diamond pork chop.. he can't eat that

its just for show

Wardy

what a random choice of icon

I really should actually choose an icon at some point

TreDubZedd

@Wardy Isn't your icon literally a random choice?

Jon

lol

its not random

Wardy

yeh ... again ... the irony

Jon

its generated based on his email address

Kevin van der Velden

1:51 PM

He used to have a porkchop as avatar, then he became a moderator and made it a diamond porkchop

Also, it's the porkchop from minecraft =p

Wardy

haha

TreDubZedd

ah, ok. Literally a pseudorandom choice, then.

Wardy

I think we all gathered that

Jon

he may have killed a diamond pig for it

question is... where do you find diamond pigs... my guess is its fake

MickLH

It's cubic zirconia

Kevin van der Velden

1:53 PM

Naah, the diamondification of moderatorship is a well known phenomenon

user92578

ohno I missed the flag fight + mods

SpartanDonut

It was just weird. You didn't miss much

Jon

you can easily start a new one

user92578

lol :D

Wardy

was that inappropriate?

lol

MickLH

1:54 PM

No, but I flagged it for the lulz anyways

GnomeSlice

2

hooray for flags!

user92578

haha

user92578

how long have you been waiting for to get to use that gif?

Jon

did you just make that?

Kevin van der Velden

Oh he uses that frequently

GnomeSlice

1:55 PM

No I made it like a year ago

Kevin van der Velden

He's usually the target of flags =p

GnomeSlice

@KevinvanderVelden I've only used it like twice.

Wardy

honest

Kevin van der Velden

Shh, frequently enough for such a thing

GnomeSlice

nonzero

The mods don't like it, because it encourages flag abuse or something

pish tush

MickLH

1:55 PM

the usual: silence and misrepresent information to promote ones own agenda @KevinvanderVelden this is a shot at making nice with you

Wardy

@GnomeSlice @fredley won't be impressed to come by and see all those flags lol

GnomeSlice

in The Bridge, May 26 '14 at 14:46, by GnomeSlice

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Q: Hurr Durr Flags

Whenever there's a chat flag in one of a given network site's chatrooms, every 10k+ user across the network can see and action it. This is not always ideal, particularly if the offending chat has active mods or 10k users of its own who are present, and who can see context; local users should hav...