Game Development

probably not. :p

I backed the Slain kickstarter recently: kickstarter.com/projects/1348640000/slain

Hjorthenify

:D

I've spend the past 3 hours working on homing rockets and now i'm finally there, but too tired to add them proper to the game xD

It is really annoying how Godot goes from -PI to PI instead of 0 to 2*PI and doesn't reset when going past the boundary

12:59 AM

sounds like you could just +PI to your output and have exactly what you want?

eh ... don't quote me on that... i have no idea what im talking about tried Googling Godot, turned up this guy

in a metroidvania... is making the player earn the ability to jump, too restrictive?

are you able to jump in Metroid and Castlevania from the get-go?
your call probably imo, if it feels fun or good or not, test etc

yea you are in both of those

1:26 AM

Neato. I got the SMB evolution learning AI to work on my PC :D

I wonder what fun I could have with programming against emulators / roms

1:38 AM

I imagine interpreting what happens on screen would be a bit tricky?

either reading pixels or reading the RAM or something?

Yeah this script reads the RAM values

When I was watching him go through it, it examines a grid of objects around mario and determines if its air, solid (ground / pipe / blocks) or a "sprite" which more often than not is an enemy

Mario has a memory of 100 templates as he called them which were basically random data of a grid of the same sized area it's examining with a set of associated inputs. Every 5 frames Mario finds the template that closest resembles what Mario is currently looking at (which may not be close at all but it's 'closest') and runs the inputs stored with it with some mutations

Somehow it all gets scored based on how far right mario got and how quickly he got there

I've not really dug into the code. Just excited I got it to work

cool

I suppose that's like those MMO goldfarming bots

interpreting whatever and executing for maximum efficiency

Noctrine

@Joe Why would it be to restrictive?

Im sort of debating if in a platformer, that jump is just expected as core mechanic... I want to have it but im trying to decide if I can make due for the first "stage" without

and have the player earn it

Almo

platformers were invented with jump

I mean, the first one had it.

right?

1:48 AM

yea

Almo

so it's not just expected as a core mechanic, it IS a core mechanic.

BUT that doesn't mean you can't do something different

Noctrine

A lot of people are going to expect jump, so if you want to make jump something that you have to earn - you better have a reasonable explanation and gameplay that revolves around why you don't currently have the ability to jump.

Almo

if you can find enough fun to tide them over while earning the jump, then you're fine.

so im thinking about the "earning abilities" from the genre

and metroid 1 throws "ball form" at room 1 immediately

I need to "teach" the player they will be "earning" ~~stuff~~ abilities, but I dont want to give away any substantial right away

lets see.. ill build it and see how it plays

2:19 AM

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2:55 AM

so I'm trying to do a NewGame+ mode, and making an end boss/event thing and then have the game restart but keep your room numbers, items, and enemy toughness intact

but... it just feels wrong

trying to make an ending here makes it feel like closure, which I do want
closure to a run is death, not beating a boss
and while the run continues, yeah my gut is just shouting, "no"

dont make it an ending then... make it "hardmode"

defeat the [some challenging acheivement here] without picking up 1 gold coin

or without wearing any armor

unlocks XYZ

yeah I'd be keen to add some new hard things that spice up the rooms

3:50 AM

@Chris meh. Just add more events to the pool and reuse events

as opposed to no more events

once they've all been done

4:09 AM

yeah... or just add more events :D

Aidan Mueller

6:01 AM

A picture is worth a thousand localizations.

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user92578

7:08 AM

morning

good morning dude

holy shit its morning

user92578

I already made the split screen camera movement a lot smoother, and it's actually quite nice now

nice dude

hey you guys think something like this will be too mind boggling?

gfycat.com/UnsungDismalAsiaticwildass

holy lag

user92578

hmm not sure

user92578

7:17 AM

could be cool

user92578

also could be really annoying

You would have to do more with it

id want to make sure all of the interactables are in the foreground

and push alot more parallax into the back ground

maybe even make a new "front" foreground layer... put stuff in front of the player

It would basically have to be a 3Dish game I think

You can't just have black anyway

around the scene or behind?

or both

damn looks cool for a happy accident, but smells like scope creep to me

7:22 AM

both lol

one sec

if the world isn't taking up the whole screen, one might ask, why?

true thats a pretty simple problem to solve, just expand my maps

going to have to triple in height though for the distance

idk seems cool but its not what i was set out to do.. i think i put a pin in this and come back to it

that said... its bed time Thanks for the feedback all!

nite

user92578

7:47 AM

Swapping between single screen and split screens looks really stupid and annoying

8:06 AM

:(

When would you have such a scenario?

@Joe slimgamer.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/deer-god-2.png

@Joe "The Deer God"

Totally forgot I was going to send that to you xD

The Deer God looks cool, both very close-up and far-away parallaxing

Right

user92578

8:36 AM

Rendering the level to a different render target for every player seems to be quite slow

user92578

Split screen is lowering my FPS

indeed, twice as many draw calls at the bare minimum I imagine?

user92578

Yeah

user92578

Hmm, I just don't know what to do

user92578

split screen or no split screen

user92578

8:40 AM

how to handle players moving far away from each other

zoom camera out, or force camera on one player, or average in between
if they go out of screen, have an indicator pointing where they are

user92578

yeah well currently I have the camera centering between the players

user92578

I was also stopping them from moving too far from each other on the x axis

user92578

I don't want to zoom the camera out

try indicators then maybe... invisible walls sound a bit meh

user92578

8:44 AM

okay

user92578

so if all players can't fit to the screen, I would focus on one player and show indicators for the rest?

I think it'd be worth trying
because if all players are out of bounds, showing zero players might look weird

user92578

yeah

user92578

right

8:49 AM

not a very good screenshot, but yeah an indicator on the right there

The new mario games did this

I think...

struggling to find a screen shot

9:05 AM

yeah, and the out-of-bounds player would be encased in a bubble and float back towards the main on-screen player

user92578

9:24 AM

How would I determine if all the entities fit to the view?

user92578

nvm

user92578

9:55 AM

How would I calculate the position for the marker/arrow?