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Cerberus

18:17

@TheodoreBroda I have never heard of that story, and Wired mentions no sources.

Cannabis use has been legal since forever.

Perhaps it wasn't allowed in certain parts of the zoo?

@Robusto You wouldn't believe how stupid my memory is. Guess what the name of the dog in my Latin book actually was. You will guess right in one try.

tchrist

@Cerberus Fido.

Cerberus

facepaw

Not sure I can find the actual text, but this may be it:

> coquus est in culina. coquus in culina dormit. Cerberus intrat. Cerberus circumspectat. cibus est in mensa. canis salit. canis in mensa stat. Grumio stertit. canis latrat. Grumio surgit. coquus est iratus. "pestis! furcifer!" coquus clamat. Cerberus exit.

> Grumio culinam intrat. ecce! Cerberus in culina dormit. coquus clamat "pestis!" Cerberus salit. Cerberus latrat. Grumio vituperat. canis est perterritus. Canis e culina exit.

@tchrist I'm sure you will understand this.

tchrist

18:37

@Cerberus I should hope so!

Cerberus

Indeed.

My first few months of Latin.

Stack Exchange

Limerick Machine: It wasn’t a chump or a chimp Or a hydrogen fireball blimp It wasn’t a cat I would hav…

posted on June 22, 2014 by sgdi

It wasn’t a chump or a chimp Or a hydrogen fireball blimp It wasn’t a cat I would have liked that It was just a horse with a limp

tchrist

@Cerberus Most of ours, perhaps.

Cerberus

You learned from the same book?

It was called De Taal der Romeinen in Dutch, but I have found out that it is actually from Cambridge.

tchrist

Personally, I’ve always wondered what connection there might be between the noun latro, -onis and the verb latro, latrare. Is it because dogs would bark at thieves?

@Cerberus I’d have to go dig through dusty boxes.

Alraxite

18:42

The Cambridge Latin Course is its name in English it seems.

tchrist

@Alraxite Gosh that sounds familiar.

Cerberus

@tchrist Hmm I don't know. It is possible. Let me look it up...

Alraxite

@tchrist Did you study it in college?

Or on your own?

tchrist

The latter.

Cerberus

Not in school?

> lātro, ōnis, m. [Gr. λάτρις, root λα-, λαf-, in λάω, λεία; cf. lucrum], a hired servant, hireling, mercenary, satellite, bodyguard, etc. (only ante-class.)

Alraxite

18:44

@tchrist Oh, cool.

Cerberus

> lātro, āvi, ātum, 1, v. n. and a. [cf. Gr. λοιδορέω and λατράζειν = βαρβαρίζειν, Hesych.], to bark (cf. baubor).

Robusto

@Cerberus Cerberus?

Cerberus

@Robusto Ding!

Robusto

jasperlol

Cerberus

It is the same when I meet someone whose name I share: later I can never remember what his name was.

KitFox

18:46

@Robusto You know you were the one who drove him out, right?

Robusto

By ignoring him?

By observing that he uses LOL overmuch?

KitFox

Yep.

Robusto

So how would I know that if I had him on ignore?

KitFox

You wouldn't.

Cerberus

Where is Jasper?

Matt Эллен

18:48

Singapore

Cerberus

Has he deleted his account again??

Matt Эллен

yes

Cerberus

Oh.

He'll be back...

Matt Эллен

yeah

maybe

Cerberus

He seemed to be doing better than a year or so ago.

Or even six months, perhaps.

Matt Эллен

18:49

that is true, which is good

Cerberus

He had one of his afflictions under control.

Robusto

@KitFox How dare you blame me for his insecurities? You have a lot of nerve.

He's left here what, three or four times?

KitFox

I'm not blaming you for his insecurities.

Robusto

4 mins ago, by KitFox

@Robusto You know you were the one who drove him out, right?

KitFox

And I think he's left half a dozen times or maybe more.

Robusto

18:50

My fault, right?

Cerberus

He'll be back.

KitFox

I should have put a "this time" on there.

tchrist

@Cerberus Spanish takes ladrón and ladrar from those two Latin terms. Just don’t confuse ladridos “barks” with ladrillos “bricks”. The bricks version comes from later, -ĕris.

Robusto

@KitFox But the fact is, you blamed me for something. In public. What if I now leave?

How would you feel about that?

KitFox

Then I will feel bad.

Robusto

18:52

I'm guessing not too bad at all.

@KitFox You pretend to be my friend, but clearly you have another agenda. Otherwise why bring this up in public?

It's not like I'm running for office or anything. What exactly did you hope to gain by that accusation?

KitFox

I don't think it is nice to ignore someone because they irritate you with "lol" and then to use jasperlol as an exclamation. That's mean and I expect better of you.

Robusto

@KitFox You are making assumptions.

KitFox

Am I? I don't think so.

Or is "jasperlol" some new kind of urban slang I haven't heard before?

Robusto

@KitFox You know very well what kind of assumption you are making. It doesn't involve the use of jasperlol. If anything, that would appeal to his desire for attention.

I'm talking about why I put him on ignore in the first place.

tchrist

1534,179, 92,47, 18.

KitFox

18:59

looks cross

tchrist

lullabies

Robusto

If you must know, it was because he was deliberately trying to bait me in chat, and I didn't want to respond to that.

KitFox

Of course I must know. Why mustn't I?

Robusto

Jun 13 at 19:49, by Jasper Loy

That day I said that maybe the man in a certain picture is Robusto, that must have upset him so much that he ignored me.

Cerberus

@tchrist Hmm what's later?

Robusto

19:02

That was just part of it. I ignored him because he was coming after me in a very passive-aggressive manner.

tchrist

@Cerberus You tell me!

> ladrillo.
(Del dim. del ant. *ladre, del lat. later, -ĕris).
1. m. Masa de barro, en forma de paralelepípedo rectangular, que, después de cocida, sirve para construir muros, solar habitaciones, etc.
2. m. Elemento de construcción semejante hecho de otra materia.
3. m. Labor en forma de ladrillo que tienen algunos tejidos.
4. m. coloq. Cosa pesada o aburrida.

Cerberus

> lăter, ĕris, m. [Sanscr. root prath-, widen; prathas, breadth; Gr. πλατύς, πλάτος], a brick, tile.

Apparently, it means...brick.

Matt Эллен

@tchrist rofl

Cerberus

Related to latus and latus, no doubt.

@Robusto Weird, what was he trying to get you to do?

tchrist

@MattЭллен ayeppers

@Cerberus Brick or tile, apparently.

KitFox

19:04

@Cerberus Pay attention to him.

Robusto

@Cerberus I had warned him I might put him on ignore. Maybe he was just trying to test that.

tchrist

@KitFox Constant attention-whoring is draining on anybody, no matter the age of the mendicant.

Cerberus

4 mins ago, by Cerberus

> lăter, ĕris, m. [Sanscr. root prath-, widen; prathas, breadth; Gr. πλατύς, πλάτος], a brick, tile.

@KitFox What do you mean?

Robusto

@KitFox You can't even prove that. Even if he stated that as the reason he was leaving, how could you trust that? He has left before just for the hell of it. Who is to say why he does what he does?

tchrist

@Cerberus Interesting that both forms of siding were the same word. In modern Spanish, teja < L. tegula is used for tile.

Any connection to techo “roof” < L. tectum is lost to me, though.

KitFox

19:12

@Robusto OK I can't prove it, but I still disapprove of "jasperlol".

Cerberus

@tchrist Tego = to cover.

Detect = uncover.

tchrist

Ok.

@Cerberus There is a beautiful word in both Spanish and Portuguese, azulejo, which is also tiling, originally blue tiling. But it comes from Arabic Arabic الزليج (az-zulayj, “polished stone”).

I don’t know why it seems beautiful to me. Its Spanish pronunciation really isn’t, although its Portuguese one might be considered such. I think it is all that it conjures up in my mind.

Azure I also find beautiful.

Cerberus

19:27

Yeah, the same word.

Lapis lazuli.

KitFox

My favorite stone.

StoneyB

@tchrist Just popped in to tell you (because the question got deleted.) that "A wrong man in the worker's paradise" turns out not to be Stakhanovite propaganda but a brief allegory by Rabindranath Tagore!

tchrist

> azure /ˈæʒə(r)/, /ˈæʒ(j)ʊə(r)/, /ˈeɪ-/, sb. and a.
Forms: 4 azer, 4–5 asur(e, 5 aser(e, aserre, 6 asour, aisur, 7 azur, 5– azure.
Etymology: a. OFr. azur, asur (11th c.), cogn. with Pr., OSp. azur, Pg., Sp. azul, Ital. azzurro, azzuolo, med.L. azura, azzurum, azolum, adaptations of Arabic (al-)lazward, a. Pers. lājward, lāzhward, lapis lazuli, blue colour. The initial l is absent in the Romance langs., apparently having been dropped along with Arabic article al-, or as if it were the article l’. It remains in med.Gr. λαζούριον, and med.L. lazurius, lazur, lazulus, lapis lazuli, literary f…

@StoneyB Oh!

StoneyB

@tchrist Not that it makes any difference to the disposition of the question; I just thought you'd be amused.

tchrist

@StoneyB Yeah; workers’ paradise just smelled a little funny.

StoneyB

19:32

Back to my religious observances now - Cards just went up 4-3.

Robusto

@KitFox And if so, it would have been the act of a friend to mention that privately instead of as a public accusation. But it wasn't the act of a friend because you're no friend. And as of a few minutes ago you're no longer even an acquaintance.

KitFox

I'm sorry you feel that way.

Robusto

Sell that somewhere else.

KitFox

Would you like me if you dressed me down right now?

tchrist

@Cerberus Phonoæ̈sthetically, it’s hard to favor [äθuˈle̞χo̞] over [ɐzʉˈlɛʒ] for azulejo, ya know? :)

Convert to answer:

The inherent ability sense is alethic, not deontic. The deontic usages are about permission, and epistemic ones about logical possibility. Epistemic can is a negative polarity item: *This can be the place. In the right context, that clause could be any of the three. As a standalone utterance, shorn of context, it's ambiguous between deontic (he has/had the necessary permission) or alethic (he has/had the necessary ability). Not epistemic, because there's no negative trigger in this sentence (the than clause of comparatives is negative, but not the compared clause). — John Lawler 1 hour ago

Matt Эллен

19:46

even blind people

skullpatrol

What The F***

KitFox

They read it for the articles. Duh.

skullpatrol

oh

user116848

Do you guys know of any good website where I could use Skype with native English speakers. But it must be a good website :-)

Matt Эллен

sorry, I don't know any

skullpatrol

19:49

me neither

I starred it, so that if someone does, they will leave you a message @Arrowfar

user116848

Oh! thanks dude :)

tchrist

skullpatrol

@tchrist What are you suggesting?

What do those two graphics have in common?

tchrist

@skullpatrol Magical thinking.

skullpatrol

@tchrist There's a fine line between magic and witch craft.

tchrist

20:02

invokes Clarke

skullpatrol

who?

tchrist

sighs

Matt Эллен

makes a kitch waft

Andrew Leach

Ooh! Spirograph.

skullpatrol

the craft of a witch is to deceive

while
the craft of a magician is to entertain

5 mins ago, by skullpatrol

@tchrist There's a fine line between magic and witch craft.

the top graphic is witchcraft

KitFox

20:11

I object to your characterization of witches.

skullpatrol

Your "objection" is sustained.

KitFox

Thank you.

skullpatrol

:-)

Mitch

@tchrist How is the second graph magical thinking?

skullpatrol

By thinking about it.

Alraxite

20:20

I didn't know you could have tags on chat rooms.

skullpatrol

Note the individual "dots" are merely moving back and forth on a line.

Mitch

Sure.

How is that magical?

The collection of one set of phenomena create another unexpected phenomenon.

magic != unexpected.

skullpatrol

yep^

Matt Эллен

spyrograph

Robusto

20:45

@tchrist Such a thing should not be surprising to anyone familiar with Euclid.

@KitFox Do you ever say anything that isn't passive-aggressive? For the record, I don't chat with people I have on ignore. Which list now includes you. Next time you want to get a hold of me, try skywriting.

skullpatrol

@Robusto have you read The Elements?

KitFox

!!wiki passive-aggressive

Robusto

@tchrist I wonder if it has a centerfeel.

Jarvis the Bot

Passive-aggressive behavior

Passive-aggressive behavior is the indirect expression of hostility, such as through procrastination, sarcasm, hostile jokes, stubbornness, resentment, sullenness, or deliberate or repeated failure to accomplish requested tasks for which one is (often explicitly) responsible. For research purposes, the DSM-IV describes passive-aggressive personality disorder as a "pervasive pattern of negativistic attitudes and passive resistance to demands for adequate performance in social and occupational situations". Concept in different areas In psychology In psychology, passive-aggressive behavio...

Robusto

@skullpatrol Not as such. Only the digested wisdom via textbooks.

tchrist

20:51

It comes in bilingual versions now, you know.

amazon.com/Euclids-Elements-Geometry-Euclid/dp/0615179843

Robusto

@JarvistheBot I rest my case. And well played, person who linked that and will not be named.

Alraxite

I don't understand the point of ignore. Aren't you the one who is disadvantaged of not being able to see someone else's posts

Robusto

Death, where is thy sting?

Alraxite

I mean, you can't spam.

Mitch

@Alraxite I think that's the intended effect, that it is not a disadvanteage but an advantage to not read those points.

KitFox

20:55

neener neener neener, wubba wubba wubba

Alraxite

@Mitch Right...

Robusto

@tchrist Euclidean geometry was always easy for me. Probably because it all just seems so self-evident. Even trig does, to some extent (though you have to be able to picture the law of sines, cosines, tangents, etc.)

Alraxite

@Robusto KitFox just made a very articulate and detailed speech on how your posts and decisions to defend yourself are unthoughtful and fallacious.

Of course, you can't see that.

But I'm convinced you are the one who is wrong.

And I'm sure, so is everyone.

Robusto

1 hour ago, by Robusto

Sell that somewhere else.

KitFox

Oh don't be like that @Alraxite.

No sense heckling him when he's upset.

Mitch

20:57

@KitFox and can't read.

skullpatrol

true, let things coooool down

Robusto

@Alraxite How is it wrong to withdraw from unpleasant people who have publicly denounced one?

KitFox

@Mitch, I'm serious. Don't mess with him right now.

skullpatrol

I'm serious too.

KitFox

I can't fault him for being angry.

Robusto

20:59

But you have a point. It's looking wiser simply to leave. Bai.

Alraxite

Wait.

skullpatrol

seriously thick headed

sometimes

Alraxite

That speech wasn't that convincing.

You might be right.

@Robusto Just saying that putting people on ignore disadvantages you.

Mitch

@KitFox admonished

skullpatrol

@Robusto take some time away

Mitch

21:00

considers other trolling targets

skullpatrol

@Mitch you wanna piece of me?

Mitch

Hey @KitFox I'm ignoring you. la la la la la

@skullpatrol OK you're on.

tchrist

freezes room for 30 minutes

KitFox

@Mitch Seriously? I feel bad enough as it is.

Alraxite

rubs hands

skullpatrol

21:02

@tchrist You can't freeze time.

Mitch

@KitFox Oh man... I'm sorry. I'm just messing around. I don't really know what people are feeling unless they say so.

skullpatrol

then shut up.

1 min ago, by tchrist

freezes room for 30 minutes

Alraxite

Oh dear, he left.

Well, probably.

That's what I make of his seen 11 minutes ago.

Johan Larsson

what is going on?

Andrew Leach

@Alraxite "Seen" simply means "Last activity". It doesn't differentiate in what that activity is.

skullpatrol

21:12

drama

r

a

m

a

Alraxite

@AndrewLeach Right, but for example Cerberus always has his seen around 1 minute. And I'm pretty sure he sleeps.

KitFox

He doesn't.

Andrew Leach

One head is always awake.

Maybe two.

Alraxite

Hadn't thought of that.

OK. Anyway, I think if you just leave your computer with the chat window open, you'll have your seen near 1 minute.

KitFox

@JohanLarsson I told Rob I thought he was being a jerk and he said NOU and he's mad and won't talk to me.

So I did it wrong.

Johan Larsson

21:15

let's hope he just has a bad day

Mitch

@Medica: so do you have any of the next generation yet?

KitFox

@JohanLarsson Well, eventually I will apologize.

Mitch

Hey!

medica

@Mitch No, I wish.

Do you?

Matt Эллен

good night

Mitch

21:18

@medica No! not right yet! There are a couple hurdles for them to pass first.

@MattЭллен aw man it's too early for you.

medica

Yeah, like getting a good job! That's my oldest's reason.

Johan Larsson

@Robusto no leaving chat or any such bs right?

Mitch

exactly.

and school.

medica

Mine are all out as of two years ago.

But good jobs, that's different.

And my youngest, who wants kids now (yesyesyes) is in medical school. : /

Mitch

shut the front door... you're not old. AARP doesn't count either. (Yes the discounts!)

medica

21:20

So none that I can see on the horizon.

Mitch

@medica Oh...that's tough on everybody...residency the hardest (I've heard. I haven't done that myself).

medica

I've offered a 50K bounty to the first kid who has a kid (jokingly)... just to let them know I'd like at least one before I'm gone. Slowpokes.

Mitch

grand kids are great as long as you can pass them back off when you get tired. That's the whole point of having the when you're young.

medica

That's the beauty!

skullpatrol

@Mitch sorry for telling you to "shut up"

medica

21:22

All the fun with none of the up-all-nights.

Mitch

@skullpatrol oh. that's cool. I thought you were telling tchrist to shut up.

skullpatrol

;-)

Mitch

Now that I know I am the target, I feel bad. But you've already apologized so I feel better. Now I feel dizzy from all the whiplash.

@medica exactly.

Unless, you're babysitting 24/7 while they're in med school.

tchrist

@Mitch The root of friendship between grandparents and grandchildren lies in the sharing of a common enemy.

Mitch

:)

Alraxite

21:25

@Mitch You seem to not have a nose.

Nor a body for that matter.

Mitch

oh you tried the mustache thing?

Alraxite

Oh, yes, I did!

I discovered that in the hangman room.

medica

@tchrist sometimes that can be said of parenthood as well.

Mitch

parent support groups move from complaining about the grandparents and complaining about the grandkids.

Alraxite

I think the mustache thing works only for people with faces.

!!mustache skullpatrol

Jarvis the Bot

21:34

Alraxite

Hmm. No image

!!mustache alraxite

Jarvis the Bot

Alraxite

Disappointing.

skullpatrol

!!help

Jarvis the Bot

@skullpatrol General help

KitFox

21:40

And at last I catch up on the election chat.

skullpatrol

TL;DR

^true for a lot of things for me

KitFox

Yeah, I'm trying to do due diligence.

And failing miserably at it.

Alraxite

All that talk wouldn't really matter after the election's done.

It's not like those chat messages are swaying a large portion of the community.

KitFox

It matters to me. I'll have new co-workers.

Alraxite

There are like a dozen people there. Most of them candidates themselves.

KitFox

21:45

Also, elections bring out the worst in people.

Alraxite

@KitFox Yeah, you'll still get new co-workers without that whole election chat. And the same ones at that.

KitFox

I know.

I'm not reading it thinking it's going to change anything.

Johan Larsson

In a line class, should I throw if StartPoint == EndPoint?

If not, what is direction? null?

Mitch

21:58

@JohanLarsson Excellent question, I'm glad you asked that. But you'd probably get better more informative responses elsewhere.

Johan Larsson

:)

barznjy

22:33

Hi,
I have two questions;
1- I have several relays nodes and one destination node.
I want to know if these two sentence is correct or not:

“we consider the interference existence at both relays and destination nodes.”

“each of the relays receives the corrupted signal from the …”

2-This sentence is correct or not:?
It has been shown that applying the opportunistic technique for the cooperative network has the advantage of significantly enhancing the performance of the system.

medica

@KitFox - are you still here?

KitFox

Not really.

What's up?

barznjy

@medica could you answer my questions?

KitFox

@barznjy The interference exists at both relays and destination nodes.

medica

@barznjy I'm sorry, in a minute maybe.

barznjy

22:38

@KitFox Thank you very much

medica

@KitFox Just wanted you to read at your leisure a moderately lengthy observation I added in our room.

KitFox

@barznjy It has been shown that applying the opportunistic technique to the cooperative network significantly enhances the performance of the system.

@medica OK. Wilco.

medica

Thanks. It's long, and might be off-putting, but I'ts sincere. For what that's worth.

barznjy

@KitFox what about “each of the relays receives the corrupted signal from the …” or “each of the relay receives the corrupted signal from the …”

KitFox

Each of the relays receives a corrupted signal...

barznjy

22:42

@KitFox Thank you for your help.

user116848

Today I asked something here? You guys saw it?

skullpatrol

no

user116848

@skullpatrol You know you starred it :D About Skype

KitFox

@Arrowfar I don't know of any. Sorry.

user116848

Oh! its okay

user116848

22:45

So skullpatrol you like Parkour? Its very fun :)

user116848

For guys I mean :-)

skullpatrol

What is that?

user116848

Like a sport

user116848

Very Atheletic

user116848

But dangerous :)

user116848

22:46

Parkour

Parkour () is a holistic training discipline using movement that developed from military obstacle course training. Practitioners aim to get from A to B in the most efficient way possible.They do this using only their bodies and their surroundings to propel themselves; furthermore, they try to maintain as much momentum as is possible in a safe manner. Parkour can include obstacle courses, running, climbing, swinging, vaulting, jumping, rolling, quadrupedal movement, and the like, depending on what movement is deemed most suitable for the given situation. Parkour is a non-competitive activ...

skullpatrol

interesting...

user116848

Many cool videos on youtube too.

user116848

I just like it. I don't do it though

skullpatrol

yes, watching now

user116848

@skullpatrol Watch this www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHy9W9LpvlQ

skullpatrol

23:01

@Arrowfar :-O Wow, crazy stuff. Thanks for sharing :)

user116848

I know, right? :-)

skullpatrol

seems a bit pointless

user116848

Yeah that too:) But it is fun to watch

skullpatrol

I would prefer to watch gymnastics.

user116848

Yeah I love gymnastics

user116848

23:08

I love Damien Walters too. You heard of him?

skullpatrol

Yep

user116848

But he is not like Nadia comaneci though :)

skullpatrol

she was the greatest of her time

user116848

But watching gymnastics seems boring. Its 'slow'

skullpatrol

that's why you have to do it to truly understand it

user116848

23:12

@skullpatrol Watch this 'Duo Flame' Great song and video

user116848

www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaZxZqPprtw

skullpatrol

sorry, not my "cup of tea"... I don't watch TV like that

user116848

Yeah it's very cheesy

user116848

So what do you watch then? Fox news :)

user116848

lol

skullpatrol

23:16

I watch the raiders

user116848

Oakland Raiders?

skullpatrol

yes

user116848

I see

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