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6:17 PM

@TheodoreBroda I have never heard of that story, and Wired mentions no sources.

Cannabis use has been legal since forever.

Perhaps it wasn't allowed in certain parts of the zoo?

@Robusto You wouldn't believe how stupid my memory is. Guess what the name of the dog in my Latin book actually was. You will guess right in one try.

tchrist

@Cerberus Fido.

Cerberus

facepaw

Not sure I can find the actual text, but this may be it:

> coquus est in culina. coquus in culina dormit. Cerberus intrat. Cerberus circumspectat. cibus est in mensa. canis salit. canis in mensa stat. Grumio stertit. canis latrat. Grumio surgit. coquus est iratus. "pestis! furcifer!" coquus clamat. Cerberus exit.

> Grumio culinam intrat. ecce! Cerberus in culina dormit. coquus clamat "pestis!" Cerberus salit. Cerberus latrat. Grumio vituperat. canis est perterritus. Canis e culina exit.

@tchrist I'm sure you will understand this.

tchrist

6:37 PM

@Cerberus I should hope so!

Cerberus

Indeed.

My first few months of Latin.

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Limerick Machine: It wasn’t a chump or a chimp Or a hydrogen fireball blimp It wasn’t a cat I would hav…

posted on June 22, 2014 by sgdi

It wasn’t a chump or a chimp Or a hydrogen fireball blimp It wasn’t a cat I would have liked that It was just a horse with a limp

tchrist

@Cerberus Most of ours, perhaps.

Cerberus

You learned from the same book?

It was called De Taal der Romeinen in Dutch, but I have found out that it is actually from Cambridge.

tchrist

Personally, I’ve always wondered what connection there might be between the noun latro, -onis and the verb latro, latrare. Is it because dogs would bark at thieves?

@Cerberus I’d have to go dig through dusty boxes.

Alraxite

6:42 PM

The Cambridge Latin Course is its name in English it seems.

tchrist

@Alraxite Gosh that sounds familiar.

Cerberus

@tchrist Hmm I don't know. It is possible. Let me look it up...

Alraxite

@tchrist Did you study it in college?

Or on your own?

tchrist

The latter.

Cerberus

Not in school?

> lātro, ōnis, m. [Gr. λάτρις, root λα-, λαf-, in λάω, λεία; cf. lucrum], a hired servant, hireling, mercenary, satellite, bodyguard, etc. (only ante-class.)

Alraxite

6:44 PM

@tchrist Oh, cool.

Cerberus

> lātro, āvi, ātum, 1, v. n. and a. [cf. Gr. λοιδορέω and λατράζειν = βαρβαρίζειν, Hesych.], to bark (cf. baubor).

@Cerberus Cerberus?

@Robusto Ding!

jasperlol

It is the same when I meet someone whose name I share: later I can never remember what his name was.

KitFox

6:46 PM

@Robusto You know you were the one who drove him out, right?

Robusto

By ignoring him?

By observing that he uses LOL overmuch?

KitFox

Yep.

Robusto

So how would I know that if I had him on ignore?

KitFox

You wouldn't.

Cerberus

Where is Jasper?

Matt Эллен

6:48 PM

Singapore

Cerberus

Has he deleted his account again??

Matt Эллен

yes

Cerberus

Oh.

He'll be back...

Matt Эллен

yeah

maybe

Cerberus

He seemed to be doing better than a year or so ago.

Or even six months, perhaps.

Matt Эллен

6:49 PM

that is true, which is good

Cerberus

He had one of his afflictions under control.

Robusto

@KitFox How dare you blame me for his insecurities? You have a lot of nerve.

He's left here what, three or four times?

KitFox

I'm not blaming you for his insecurities.

Robusto

4 mins ago, by KitFox

@Robusto You know you were the one who drove him out, right?

KitFox

And I think he's left half a dozen times or maybe more.

Robusto

6:50 PM

My fault, right?

Cerberus

He'll be back.

KitFox

I should have put a "this time" on there.

tchrist

@Cerberus Spanish takes ladrón and ladrar from those two Latin terms. Just don’t confuse ladridos “barks” with ladrillos “bricks”. The bricks version comes from later, -ĕris.

Robusto

@KitFox But the fact is, you blamed me for something. In public. What if I now leave?

How would you feel about that?

KitFox

Then I will feel bad.

Robusto

6:52 PM

I'm guessing not too bad at all.

@KitFox You pretend to be my friend, but clearly you have another agenda. Otherwise why bring this up in public?

It's not like I'm running for office or anything. What exactly did you hope to gain by that accusation?

KitFox

I don't think it is nice to ignore someone because they irritate you with "lol" and then to use jasperlol as an exclamation. That's mean and I expect better of you.

Robusto

@KitFox You are making assumptions.

KitFox

Am I? I don't think so.

Or is "jasperlol" some new kind of urban slang I haven't heard before?

Robusto

@KitFox You know very well what kind of assumption you are making. It doesn't involve the use of jasperlol. If anything, that would appeal to his desire for attention.

I'm talking about why I put him on ignore in the first place.

tchrist

1534,179, 92,47, 18.

KitFox

6:59 PM

looks cross

tchrist

lullabies

Robusto

If you must know, it was because he was deliberately trying to bait me in chat, and I didn't want to respond to that.

KitFox

Of course I must know. Why mustn't I?

Robusto

Jun 13 at 19:49, by Jasper Loy

That day I said that maybe the man in a certain picture is Robusto, that must have upset him so much that he ignored me.

Cerberus

@tchrist Hmm what's later?

Robusto

7:02 PM

That was just part of it. I ignored him because he was coming after me in a very passive-aggressive manner.

tchrist

@Cerberus You tell me!

> ladrillo.
(Del dim. del ant. *ladre, del lat. later, -ĕris).
1. m. Masa de barro, en forma de paralelepípedo rectangular, que, después de cocida, sirve para construir muros, solar habitaciones, etc.
2. m. Elemento de construcción semejante hecho de otra materia.
3. m. Labor en forma de ladrillo que tienen algunos tejidos.
4. m. coloq. Cosa pesada o aburrida.

Cerberus

> lăter, ĕris, m. [Sanscr. root prath-, widen; prathas, breadth; Gr. πλατύς, πλάτος], a brick, tile.

Apparently, it means...brick.

Matt Эллен

@tchrist rofl

Cerberus

Related to latus and latus, no doubt.

@Robusto Weird, what was he trying to get you to do?

tchrist

@MattЭллен ayeppers

@Cerberus Brick or tile, apparently.

KitFox

7:04 PM

@Cerberus Pay attention to him.

Robusto

@Cerberus I had warned him I might put him on ignore. Maybe he was just trying to test that.

tchrist

@KitFox Constant attention-whoring is draining on anybody, no matter the age of the mendicant.

Cerberus

4 mins ago, by Cerberus

> lăter, ĕris, m. [Sanscr. root prath-, widen; prathas, breadth; Gr. πλατύς, πλάτος], a brick, tile.

@KitFox What do you mean?

Robusto

@KitFox You can't even prove that. Even if he stated that as the reason he was leaving, how could you trust that? He has left before just for the hell of it. Who is to say why he does what he does?

tchrist

@Cerberus Interesting that both forms of siding were the same word. In modern Spanish, teja < L. tegula is used for tile.

Any connection to techo “roof” < L. tectum is lost to me, though.

KitFox

7:12 PM

@Robusto OK I can't prove it, but I still disapprove of "jasperlol".

Cerberus

@tchrist Tego = to cover.

Detect = uncover.

tchrist

Ok.

@Cerberus There is a beautiful word in both Spanish and Portuguese, azulejo, which is also tiling, originally blue tiling. But it comes from Arabic Arabic الزليج (az-zulayj, “polished stone”).

I don’t know why it seems beautiful to me. Its Spanish pronunciation really isn’t, although its Portuguese one might be considered such. I think it is all that it conjures up in my mind.

Azure I also find beautiful.

Cerberus

7:27 PM

Yeah, the same word.

Lapis lazuli.

KitFox

My favorite stone.

StoneyB

@tchrist Just popped in to tell you (because the question got deleted.) that "A wrong man in the worker's paradise" turns out not to be Stakhanovite propaganda but a brief allegory by Rabindranath Tagore!

tchrist

> azure /ˈæʒə(r)/, /ˈæʒ(j)ʊə(r)/, /ˈeɪ-/, sb. and a.
Forms: 4 azer, 4–5 asur(e, 5 aser(e, aserre, 6 asour, aisur, 7 azur, 5– azure.
Etymology: a. OFr. azur, asur (11th c.), cogn. with Pr., OSp. azur, Pg., Sp. azul, Ital. azzurro, azzuolo, med.L. azura, azzurum, azolum, adaptations of Arabic (al-)lazward, a. Pers. lājward, lāzhward, lapis lazuli, blue colour. The initial l is absent in the Romance langs., apparently having been dropped along with Arabic article al-, or as if it were the article l’. It remains in med.Gr. λαζούριον, and med.L. lazurius, lazur, lazulus, lapis lazuli, literary f…

@StoneyB Oh!

StoneyB

@tchrist Not that it makes any difference to the disposition of the question; I just thought you'd be amused.

tchrist

@StoneyB Yeah; workers’ paradise just smelled a little funny.

StoneyB

7:32 PM

Back to my religious observances now - Cards just went up 4-3.

Robusto

@KitFox And if so, it would have been the act of a friend to mention that privately instead of as a public accusation. But it wasn't the act of a friend because you're no friend. And as of a few minutes ago you're no longer even an acquaintance.

KitFox

I'm sorry you feel that way.

Robusto

Sell that somewhere else.

KitFox

Would you like me if you dressed me down right now?

tchrist

@Cerberus Phonoæ̈sthetically, it’s hard to favor [äθuˈle̞χo̞] over [ɐzʉˈlɛʒ] for azulejo, ya know? :)

Convert to answer:

The inherent ability sense is alethic, not deontic. The deontic usages are about permission, and epistemic ones about logical possibility. Epistemic can is a negative polarity item: *This can be the place. In the right context, that clause could be any of the three. As a standalone utterance, shorn of context, it's ambiguous between deontic (he has/had the necessary permission) or alethic (he has/had the necessary ability). Not epistemic, because there's no negative trigger in this sentence (the than clause of comparatives is negative, but not the compared clause). — John Lawler 1 hour ago

Matt Эллен

7:46 PM

even blind people

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