The Bridge

Wipqozn

17:00

I guess what I'm ultimately trying to say is that you guys are wrong for having fun in a different way than me. People should only be allowed to have fun the way I have fun.

Origami Robot

If I have 3000 points in each stat, being able to distribute 300 more is not that appealing. I'm going to want to dump all those in one place because otherwise it will have a negligible effect.

Wipqozn

That's also why @GnomeSlice is a monster for liking the Star Wars prequels. STOP ENJOYING THINGS I DON'T ENJOY.

@OrigamiRobot Then make it so 1500 of those points come from attributes instead of only 300.

Frank

@Wipqozn Welcome to Blizzard's credo.

Origami Robot

@Wipqozn But then it's not about the items anymore.

Diablo has always been about the items.

That's what people want.

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot Items are still important, just not the only thing that matters.

What I'm saying is you can have it be about items while at the same time having an attribute point system which matters

Origami Robot

17:03

@Wipqozn In Diablo, they pretty much are.

Wipqozn

3 mins ago, by Wipqozn

I guess what I'm ultimately trying to say is that you guys are wrong for having fun in a different way than me. People should only be allowed to have fun the way I have fun.

Origami Robot

If you don't like that, that's fine. I'm just explaining that there is no real difference in D2 and D3 when it comes to that.

Wipqozn

Seriously, stop having fun in a differnet way.

Also, to be clear, I do like the item hunting in games. I just also really enjoy theoycrafting all the crafts.

Origami Robot

12 mins ago, by Origami Robot

@Wipqozn And you can still do that with items and skills. Just like you always could.

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot Yeah, but I don't feel there is as much theorycrafting.

Origami Robot

17:05

The fact that D2 had distributable attribute points only tricked you into thinking there was any real decision to be made.

Tim Stone

@Wipqozn I'll have fun however I like! And I'll take @OrigamiRobot's side because it saves me from having to read to find out what's going on.

Wipqozn

That may be true, but it did give you something to do when leveling. In D3 I just didn't feel a lot of levels mattered.

A lot of the time I'd get a skill, play around with it, then just go back to what I was using before.

Origami Robot

Wait, wait, wait. I lied about point distribution being the same for all builds.

Wipqozn

@TimStone @OrigamiRobot is saying that Mobile Chat is fantastic.

Tim Stone

Oh, well in that case.

Origami Robot

17:07

If you were playing a paladin you also wanted enough DEX to get max block.

EXCEPT THAT WAS NEGATED BY THE SKILL HOLY SHIELD SO IT DIDN'T MATTER ANYWAY.

Wipqozn

With all that said I might enjoy D3 at max level.

I never hit the cap, for a few reasons.

In fact maybe I should try it again.

Part of problem too was that items didn't matter much either. The auction house just broke everything.

The combination of no attributes/skill points are level up + auction house is a large part of what ruined it for me.

In fact the max level comment canbe ignored.

I might actually enjoy it with the new loot system and the AH removed.

Origami Robot

@Wipqozn THink of it this way. Does Monster Hunter have attribute points? No. What do you have to do to change your playstyle? Just change items. Same with Diablo, but you also get to change skills!

Wipqozn

I think ultimately what I really disliked about D3 is that I really, really felt the grind. The reason for this is because of both the lack of points to spend and the AH.

Brant

Anyone remember where that shared google spreadsheet was where everyone listed their gamertags/friend codes/home phone numbers/etc?

Is that still a thing?

Wipqozn

It's easy enough to say "I won't use the AH!", but when the stuff on there is just so much cheaper and everything you keep finding is complete crap it's so hard to resist.

@Brant It exists. Somewhere. I think we made a meta for it.

Let me see if I can find it.

FAE

17:12

@Brant Here

Good evening, all.

Brant

@Wipqozn I'd been planning on taking another run at Diablo 3 once the new loot system came out and the AH was killed off.

Wipqozn

found it.

1 min ago, by FAE

@Brant Here

Brant

@Wipqozn Thanks!

Wipqozn

@Brant I think I'll do the same, after this talk with these other folks.

@Brant You're welcome!

GnomeSlice

Real World Racing (Steam) is on special on IndieGala. Get two copies of the game, artwork, and the soundtrack for $6

Frank

17:16

I'm not sure what use gold is going to have once the AH shuts down; the gold sinks in-game don't seem to be enough.

Origami Robot

@Frank Mystic.

Frank

@OrigamiRobot Expansion only.

Brant

I'm predicting that either Blizzard will add more gold sinks, or the community will find another Stone of Jordan-equivalent to use as a currency instead.

Origami Robot

If you're still playing Diablo after the expansion comes out and you don't have the expansion, you're doing it wrong.

Brant

Yeah, anyone who is into Diablo 3 enough to be involved with trading will probably also own the expansion.

GnomeSlice

17:17

@OrigamiRobot Also you maybe just enjoy the game

Brant

I doubt I'll buy it because it doesn't add anything I care about. Or at least I'll wait until it goes on sale.

Frank

@OrigamiRobot Still doesn't answer the question. Gold is basically valueless.

Origami Robot

@Brant There won't really be much of an economy anymore because gold, commodities and set/legendaries are all Bin on Acquire.

@Frank I gave you an answer. The mystic. You gave a counterargument. I explained why your counterargument was moot.

Brant

oh wow, they didn't just close the AH then, they put a stake through its heart and salted the earth where it stood

Lazers

-3

Q: What is a good game to play?

I just quit a game that I "Played" and Its not so good. So, whats a good game to play? I tried playing roblox but its not so good. BTW the game must not be downloaded or on PC.

pc

Frank

17:19

@OrigamiRobot No, you're basically saying the game without the expansion isn't a game.

Which means, right now, there is no game.

Origami Robot

@Frank Yes, that is what I am saying.

SaintWacko

GnomeSlice

@OrigamiRobot That sounds... incorrect...

Brant

@SaintWacko <3 SMBC

SaintWacko

@Brant I'm addicted to it

It's amazing

Frank

17:22

Quit flagging stupid things, people.

Brant

House Of Carbs

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice Also you don't feel like spending money.

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn That too.

Origami Robot

@Brant Oh, also crafted items are BoA

Wipqozn

I might start playing D3 again sometime, but I won't be picking up the expansion for a while afterwards if I do.

Brant

17:23

What CAN you still trade?

Frank

@Brant Crafting materials. I think.

Wipqozn

Also, what does reaper of souls even add to the game? googles that shit yo

Origami Robot

@Brant Rares that you find.

@Frank Nope

Frank

@Wipqozn New act, new level cap, new artisan.

Adventure mode, with various extra things.

Wipqozn

also new skills.

nifty.

Frank

17:24

@OrigamiRobot Tell that to my Exquisite Essences.

Origami Robot

@Brant Blue and white items that you BWAHAHAHAHA WHO AM I KIDDING

@Frank Aren't those the low tier ones?

i.e. the worthless ones

Lazers

0

Q: Villager cap per world

I created an iron golem farm on ps3. It is designed to have 4 artificial villages with 16 villagers each. The first two reproduced villagers to the designed limit of 16 each. On the 3rd, villagers stopped reproducing at 13. Is there a per world limit on the number of villagers in the PS3 version?

minecraft-console

Frank

@OrigamiRobot Nope. They've converted every bit of crafting (subtle essences, pages of blacksmithing/jewelcrafting, etc.) into their Inferno equivalents.

Origami Robot

@Frank I know that.

There is still more than one type of crafting item.

Frank

So now, all your crafting is done with Exquisite Essences, Iridescent Tears, Brimstones, and Common Debris.

FAE

17:27

Parenting is like helping a noob in an MMO: "Here, wear this. Don't talk to that guy. You can't use that yet. You'll die if you go there."

Tweeted by phunnel on February 26, 2014 at 6:00 PM

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CC @Sterno

Frank

And I'm selling Essences for 4500 a pop right now. Which is why I'm wondering what good gold is going to do me.

Origami Robot

@Frank And demonic essence.

Frank

@OrigamiRobot Those are the Account Bound ones.

Origami Robot

Right. The important ones.

GnomeSlice

@FAE lol

spugsley

17:30

HELLO BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE

Frank

I'm still selling Exquisite Essences for 5K a pop.

I'm (finally) managing to make money.

Tim Stone

@spugsley We are rather pretty, aren't we? Also, hello.

spugsley

@Frank O_o

Wipqozn

@TimStone I know I am.

So is @OrigamiRobot.

Frank

@spugsley They're selling for more than Fiery Brimstones and Iridescent Tears combined.

spugsley

17:32

@Frank I'm going to sell mine :D Even though I don't have many

Frank

I just don't know what to do with my cash once the AH goes down.

GnomeSlice

Everybody who doesn't have Shelter on Steam should get it. $1, no excuses.

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice That's the game where you play as a badger, right?

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn Yes.

Game made me cry

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria HOLY BUCKETS

Wipqozn

17:35

oh, it's on IGS. Then I do have an excuse. I don't want to make an account.

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn Your loss. =[

Shelter was fabulous.

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice I actually save $1, so my gain!

GnomeSlice

Also I didn't realize they also made Pid.

That's crazy.

@Wipqozn Yes, but you miss shelter ;_;

Frank

@OrigamiRobot I want that.

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice I'm sure it'll go on sale on Steam or GOG on day for a cheap price when I feel like looking at what it is.

Origami Robot

17:37

@Frank Whoa, look at the crafting materials.

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn It's $1 right now.

Less if you don't want the Steam key.

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice But not on steam or gog.

Frank

@OrigamiRobot Yep, totally new ones.

Origami Robot

A white item. Whites have some use now!

Frank

And all Account Bound.

GnomeSlice

17:37

@Wipqozn You get a Steam key if you pay $1 or more.

Lazers

-2

Q: Good way to start candy box

I just started playing candy box and at mount goblin. What sword shall I use? I've tryed using iron sword but it doesn't work.

candy-box

0

Q: how long do 'War Justifications' last in Victoria 2?

Several times I've gone to the diplomacy screen to start a war and find my previous justifications are gone. Is there a time limit to 'claim' those justifications? if so, is there a way to make the game show a message or warning when it's about to happen? And if not, why did my justifications dis...

victoria-2

GnomeSlice

And you get pid if you beat the average, which is another excellent game.

Not as excellent as Shelter though.

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice Yes, but I still need to make an account on IGS for a game I wouldn't get around to playing who knows when.

Origami Robot

@Frank I've already established that everything worth trading will be account bound. :P

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn You make me sad.

Wipqozn

17:38

It's not worth the trouble.

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn I assure you it is.

Frank

@OrigamiRobot So absolutely no economy is left. Except for maybe gems.

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice When I probably won't play the game until it goes on sale on Steam or GOG for the same price? Not really.

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn I really doubt it will go on sale for that price anywhere again.

@Wipqozn Also why would those sales make you play it and not this one?

Origami Robot

@Frank Pretty sure you can't trade gems anymore either.

spugsley

17:39

I'm wondering if I should sell my gems....

hmhmhmmhmhmmmm

GnomeSlice

@spugsley Yes.

Sell everything and play another game.

Wipqozn

4 mins ago, by Wipqozn

oh, it's on IGS. Then I do have an excuse. I don't want to make an account.

GnomeSlice

1 min ago, by Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice Yes, but I still need to make an account on IGS for a game I wouldn't get around to playing who knows when.

Frank

@OrigamiRobot So far, you still can.

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot Level 70.

Wipqozn

17:40

@GnomeSlice I don't understand why you're linking. are you trying to further prove I already answered your question earlier?

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria I am aware.

spugsley

@GnomeSlice lol

Origami Robot

23 mins ago, by Origami Robot

If you're still playing Diablo after the expansion comes out and you don't have the expansion, you're doing it wrong.

badp

:/m/b/M/S/Tmp> rm -rf **.gz
:/m/b/M/S/Tmp> rm -rf **.png
:/m/b/M/S/Tmp> rm -rf **.html # I love fish

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot True, but you can't really compare the power level of that item to the power level of items we're used to, either.

Frank

17:41

Looks like power inflation is going to be a very real thing with the expansion.

Can't even sell plans, so you have to be stupidly lucky to find the plans for those things, anyways.

StrixVaria

There are two ways to get rid of the old economy and start a new one. Power inflation and ladder.

Wipqozn

@StrixVaria or mass deletions.

Frank

@StrixVaria Weren't they saying they were going to add in ladder?

Wipqozn

Just delete everyones characters and items. Problem solved!

StrixVaria

@Wipqozn Ladder is like the lite version of mass deletions.

Wipqozn

17:43

@StrixVaria Go hard or go home.

StrixVaria

@Frank They were saying that, but then they stopped saying that or talking about it.

Wipqozn

Did they ever add in PVP?

badp

In the expansion you play as your characters' descendants. Pick an item to keep and lose everything else!!

Lazers

-1

Q: How to play counter strike with my friends online

I wana to play counter strike with my friends online on a server. Please tell me the methods for doing this…

games-for-windows

StrixVaria

@Wipqozn Kind of.

badp

17:44

With a $10 Scroll of Boon you get to keep 2 items. BEST VALUE!

StrixVaria

There's no organized tournament/ranking system like they initially promised.

But you can enter a free for all PvP zone.

MBraedley

@Lazers Um, CS is a Games for Windows game?

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria Except you can't actually trade anything worth trading.

Wipqozn

@StrixVaria I wonder why.

Have they given any reason why they never added it in?

StrixVaria

@Wipqozn I think it's because the balance for PvE is already so hard, trying to balance PvP on top of it would be literally impossible.

@OrigamiRobot You can still trade rares, which are still worth trading.

Wipqozn

17:46

@StrixVaria Ah I see. So just not worth adding in the system to begin with if you'r enot going to properly support it.

Makes sense.

Powerlord

@badp What globbing insanity is this?

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria Except crafted rares which are the ones worth something. And when the mystic comes out, those will also be BoA IIRC.

So why bother trading?

badp

@Powerlord ** matches any file in this folder and all subfolders

I'm looking at 600 directories of photorec output and I'm looking for stuff to clean up so stuff to salvage stands out

Wipqozn

►

such a good soundtrack.

I love System Shock 2. It's so fantastic.

Powerlord

I'm going to assume it's BASH specific, because I've never heard of it as a standard shell script thing.

badp

17:48

No. It's fish specific.

fishshell.com

Powerlord

...oh yay, so it's not even one you'll run into on a standard *nix system.

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria Do you have an Echoing Fury?

GnomeSlice

Shelter, one of 2013's must-plays, is $1 right now on @IndieGameStand. Read our review, then go buy it! http://www.gamezebo.com/games/shelter/review

Tweeted by gamezebo on February 28, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Powerlord

(that you don't administer that is)

Lazers

0

Q: Do the rules for lava/lava flow change as the flow gets farther away and therefore closer to the ground?

I was wondering if the rules for lava, would apply to the lava flow as it gets shorter, would they stay the same or would the height of the max fire spread decrease at a similar rate.

minecraft

0

Q: Performance Issue In Google Earth

My current version of Google Earth runs poorly and I'm not sure why. Often when exploring around it stutters terribly. If I launch the flight sim, my framerate is out of control. I never had this problem before. My PC has a 3770, 12 gigs of ddr3 and a 7870 and Google Earth is installed on an SSD....

pc performance framerate

badp

17:50

@Powerlord No.

@Powerlord On those I'd administer I'd just install it!

(inb4 haha! but I work for the government! Security audits!)

Origami Robot

> Gain the base effect of all four Mantras at all times.

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot No.

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria Full Monk set bonus.

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot WAT

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA‌AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Origami Robot

THAT IS FUCKING INSANE

badp

17:51

guys, my Gir-o-meter is going off scale

Powerlord

@badp Yeah, our servers are all various versions of Windows for our office anyway.

Wipqozn

Btw, are they making it so items are more thna just an increase to a stat?

GnomeSlice

Groupees VGM and Beyond is live.

Origami Robot

1 min ago, by Origami Robot

> Gain the base effect of all four Mantras at all times.

Wipqozn

In Diablo 2 items usually had some nifty effects outside of just increase to a stat.

StrixVaria

17:52

@OrigamiRobot Where are you seeing this?

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot Oh, that's an item.

StrixVaria

@Wipqozn Yes, item decisions are already more interesting.

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria Game guide.

Wipqozn

Okay, I think I will wind up playing diablo 3 again.

Powerlord

Granted, I can't speak on behalf of the entire government here since IT basically lets them use whatever passes the security audits on public facing systems.

StrixVaria

17:52

@Wipqozn Yes!

Powerlord

(It's more involved than that, but I'm lazy)

StrixVaria

Did you ever hit level 60 before?

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria us.battle.net/d3/en/item/innas-vast-expanse

Wipqozn

Because the item system in D3 was terrible at launch combined with the AH combinde with the lack of attribute points.

They've basically solved 2/3 of my problems with D3.

StrixVaria

@Wipqozn Paragon system is pretty cool now.

Where you get to assign attribute points.

Sterno

17:53

@FAE so true

SaintWacko

@OrigamiRobot Oh, are they bringing back some of the D2 type set bonuses?

Like Tal-Rasha's Wrappings had a few aura type effects for the full set

Wipqozn

@StrixVaria Not sure what that is, but I'll need to look into it. If they solve 3/3 that would be quite impressive.

Origami Robot

> Your Fetish Army lasts until they die.

StrixVaria

@Wipqozn Every level you gain once you're at level cap gives you 1 point to spend on different attributes.

Origami Robot

Full Zuni set bonus

StrixVaria

17:54

@OrigamiRobot wantwantwantwantwantwantwant

SaintWacko

@OrigamiRobot That's cool

Wipqozn

@StrixVaria Interesting.

Origami Robot

Don't know how relevant that is.

SaintWacko

I'm really looking forward to playing now

This sounds like a lot of fun

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot They usually last 20 seconds on a 2-minute cooldown, so it's significant.

Wipqozn

17:54

Zeus damn it @OrigamiRobot, I'm going to wind up spending money on the expansion.

SaintWacko

I'm just playing my old character for now, but once the expansion hits, I'm going to start over with a Crusader

Wipqozn

I have enough games to not play!

StrixVaria

@Wipqozn It's on a per-account basis, not per-character. You can spend the points on a per-character basis, but the amount of points you have is the same across all your characters.

Origami Robot

> Call of the Ancients last until they die.

IK full set bonus

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot I have 2 Inna's pieces from pre-patch. Are the set bonuses retroactive?

Chippies

17:57

@StrixVaria can you respec your paragon points?

Frank

@OrigamiRobot Bwuh? Echoing Fury now gives all four Mantras?

badp

StrixVaria

@Chippies Yes.

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria No

StrixVaria

@Frank No, 4-piece Inna's set does.

Origami Robot

17:57

> Archon gains the effect of every rune.

Chippies

cool

Origami Robot

New level 70 wiz set

GnomeSlice

Hoh wow, this is so tempting.

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot lol wat

Powerlord

@badp image was blocked on me for that.

Frank

17:57

@StrixVaria Well, I need two more pieces, then.

StrixVaria

@Frank I don't think it's retroactive.

You might need all 4 new.

I also am wearing 2 pieces of Inna's right now.

GnomeSlice

@Chippies Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice What is?

Chippies

@GnomeSlice shut up, we already met today. We're talking on IRC like RIGHT NOW!

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GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn groupees.com/vgm

Chippies

17:59

@GnomeSlice there's no need for hi!

that being said... @GnomeSlice Hiiiiii!

GnomeSlice

If downloading from Groupees weren't a total pain in the ass, I'd probably buy it.

Tweeted the two artists whose stuff I want to see if I can weasel a bandcamp code out of them if I buy it.

@Chippies I love you

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