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5:00 PM
I guess what I'm ultimately trying to say is that you guys are wrong for having fun in a different way than me. People should only be allowed to have fun the way I have fun.
If I have 3000 points in each stat, being able to distribute 300 more is not that appealing. I'm going to want to dump all those in one place because otherwise it will have a negligible effect.
That's also why @GnomeSlice is a monster for liking the Star Wars prequels. STOP ENJOYING THINGS I DON'T ENJOY.
@OrigamiRobot Then make it so 1500 of those points come from attributes instead of only 300.
@Wipqozn Welcome to Blizzard's credo.
@Wipqozn But then it's not about the items anymore.
Diablo has always been about the items.
That's what people want.
@OrigamiRobot Items are still important, just not the only thing that matters.
What I'm saying is you can have it be about items while at the same time having an attribute point system which matters
5:03 PM
@Wipqozn In Diablo, they pretty much are.
3 mins ago, by Wipqozn
I guess what I'm ultimately trying to say is that you guys are wrong for having fun in a different way than me. People should only be allowed to have fun the way I have fun.
If you don't like that, that's fine. I'm just explaining that there is no real difference in D2 and D3 when it comes to that.
Seriously, stop having fun in a differnet way.
Also, to be clear, I do like the item hunting in games. I just also really enjoy theoycrafting all the crafts.
12 mins ago, by Origami Robot
@Wipqozn And you can still do that with items and skills. Just like you always could.
@OrigamiRobot Yeah, but I don't feel there is as much theorycrafting.
5:05 PM
The fact that D2 had distributable attribute points only tricked you into thinking there was any real decision to be made.
@Wipqozn I'll have fun however I like! And I'll take @OrigamiRobot's side because it saves me from having to read to find out what's going on.
That may be true, but it did give you something to do when leveling. In D3 I just didn't feel a lot of levels mattered.
A lot of the time I'd get a skill, play around with it, then just go back to what I was using before.
Wait, wait, wait. I lied about point distribution being the same for all builds.
@TimStone @OrigamiRobot is saying that Mobile Chat is fantastic.
Oh, well in that case.
5:07 PM
If you were playing a paladin you also wanted enough DEX to get max block.
With all that said I might enjoy D3 at max level.
I never hit the cap, for a few reasons.
In fact maybe I should try it again.
Part of problem too was that items didn't matter much either. The auction house just broke everything.
The combination of no attributes/skill points are level up + auction house is a large part of what ruined it for me.
In fact the max level comment canbe ignored.
I might actually enjoy it with the new loot system and the AH removed.
@Wipqozn THink of it this way. Does Monster Hunter have attribute points? No. What do you have to do to change your playstyle? Just change items. Same with Diablo, but you also get to change skills!
I think ultimately what I really disliked about D3 is that I really, really felt the grind. The reason for this is because of both the lack of points to spend and the AH.
Anyone remember where that shared google spreadsheet was where everyone listed their gamertags/friend codes/home phone numbers/etc?
Is that still a thing?
It's easy enough to say "I won't use the AH!", but when the stuff on there is just so much cheaper and everything you keep finding is complete crap it's so hard to resist.
@Brant It exists. Somewhere. I think we made a meta for it.
Let me see if I can find it.
5:12 PM
@Brant Here
Good evening, all.
@Wipqozn I'd been planning on taking another run at Diablo 3 once the new loot system came out and the AH was killed off.
found it.
1 min ago, by FAE
@Brant Here
@Wipqozn Thanks!
@Brant I think I'll do the same, after this talk with these other folks.
@Brant You're welcome!
5:16 PM
I'm not sure what use gold is going to have once the AH shuts down; the gold sinks in-game don't seem to be enough.
@Frank Mystic.
@OrigamiRobot Expansion only.
I'm predicting that either Blizzard will add more gold sinks, or the community will find another Stone of Jordan-equivalent to use as a currency instead.
If you're still playing Diablo after the expansion comes out and you don't have the expansion, you're doing it wrong.
Yeah, anyone who is into Diablo 3 enough to be involved with trading will probably also own the expansion.
5:17 PM
@OrigamiRobot Also you maybe just enjoy the game
I doubt I'll buy it because it doesn't add anything I care about. Or at least I'll wait until it goes on sale.
@OrigamiRobot Still doesn't answer the question. Gold is basically valueless.
@Brant There won't really be much of an economy anymore because gold, commodities and set/legendaries are all Bin on Acquire.
@Frank I gave you an answer. The mystic. You gave a counterargument. I explained why your counterargument was moot.
oh wow, they didn't just close the AH then, they put a stake through its heart and salted the earth where it stood
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5:19 PM
@OrigamiRobot No, you're basically saying the game without the expansion isn't a game.
Which means, right now, there is no game.
@Frank Yes, that is what I am saying.
@OrigamiRobot That sounds... incorrect...
@SaintWacko <3 SMBC
@Brant I'm addicted to it
It's amazing
5:22 PM
Quit flagging stupid things, people.
@GnomeSlice Also you don't feel like spending money.
@Wipqozn That too.
@Brant Oh, also crafted items are BoA
I might start playing D3 again sometime, but I won't be picking up the expansion for a while afterwards if I do.
5:23 PM
What CAN you still trade?
@Brant Crafting materials. I think.
Also, what does reaper of souls even add to the game? googles that shit yo
@Brant Rares that you find.
@Frank Nope
@Wipqozn New act, new level cap, new artisan.
Adventure mode, with various extra things.
also new skills.
5:24 PM
@OrigamiRobot Tell that to my Exquisite Essences.
@Brant Blue and white items that you BWAHAHAHAHA WHO AM I KIDDING
@Frank Aren't those the low tier ones?
i.e. the worthless ones
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@OrigamiRobot Nope. They've converted every bit of crafting (subtle essences, pages of blacksmithing/jewelcrafting, etc.) into their Inferno equivalents.
@Frank I know that.
There is still more than one type of crafting item.
So now, all your crafting is done with Exquisite Essences, Iridescent Tears, Brimstones, and Common Debris.
5:27 PM
Parenting is like helping a noob in an MMO: "Here, wear this. Don't talk to that guy. You can't use that yet. You'll die if you go there."
CC @Sterno
And I'm selling Essences for 4500 a pop right now. Which is why I'm wondering what good gold is going to do me.
@Frank And demonic essence.
@OrigamiRobot Those are the Account Bound ones.
Right. The important ones.
@FAE lol
5:30 PM
I'm still selling Exquisite Essences for 5K a pop.
I'm (finally) managing to make money.
@spugsley We are rather pretty, aren't we? Also, hello.
@Frank O_o
@TimStone I know I am.
So is @OrigamiRobot.
@spugsley They're selling for more than Fiery Brimstones and Iridescent Tears combined.
5:32 PM
@Frank I'm going to sell mine :D Even though I don't have many
I just don't know what to do with my cash once the AH goes down.
Everybody who doesn't have Shelter on Steam should get it. $1, no excuses.
@GnomeSlice That's the game where you play as a badger, right?
@Wipqozn Yes.
Game made me cry
5:35 PM
oh, it's on IGS. Then I do have an excuse. I don't want to make an account.
@Wipqozn Your loss. =[
Shelter was fabulous.
@GnomeSlice I actually save $1, so my gain!
Also I didn't realize they also made Pid.
That's crazy.
@Wipqozn Yes, but you miss shelter ;_;
@OrigamiRobot I want that.
@GnomeSlice I'm sure it'll go on sale on Steam or GOG on day for a cheap price when I feel like looking at what it is.
5:37 PM
@Frank Whoa, look at the crafting materials.
@Wipqozn It's $1 right now.
Less if you don't want the Steam key.
@GnomeSlice But not on steam or gog.
@OrigamiRobot Yep, totally new ones.
A white item. Whites have some use now!
And all Account Bound.
5:37 PM
@Wipqozn You get a Steam key if you pay $1 or more.
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And you get pid if you beat the average, which is another excellent game.
Not as excellent as Shelter though.
@GnomeSlice Yes, but I still need to make an account on IGS for a game I wouldn't get around to playing who knows when.
@Frank I've already established that everything worth trading will be account bound. :P
@Wipqozn You make me sad.
5:38 PM
It's not worth the trouble.
@Wipqozn I assure you it is.
@OrigamiRobot So absolutely no economy is left. Except for maybe gems.
@GnomeSlice When I probably won't play the game until it goes on sale on Steam or GOG for the same price? Not really.
@Wipqozn I really doubt it will go on sale for that price anywhere again.
@Wipqozn Also why would those sales make you play it and not this one?
@Frank Pretty sure you can't trade gems anymore either.
5:39 PM
I'm wondering if I should sell my gems....
@spugsley Yes.
Sell everything and play another game.
4 mins ago, by Wipqozn
oh, it's on IGS. Then I do have an excuse. I don't want to make an account.
1 min ago, by Wipqozn
@GnomeSlice Yes, but I still need to make an account on IGS for a game I wouldn't get around to playing who knows when.
@OrigamiRobot So far, you still can.
@OrigamiRobot Level 70.
5:40 PM
@GnomeSlice I don't understand why you're linking. are you trying to further prove I already answered your question earlier?
@StrixVaria I am aware.
@GnomeSlice lol
23 mins ago, by Origami Robot
If you're still playing Diablo after the expansion comes out and you don't have the expansion, you're doing it wrong.
:/m/b/M/S/Tmp> rm -rf **.gz
:/m/b/M/S/Tmp> rm -rf **.png
:/m/b/M/S/Tmp> rm -rf **.html # I love fish
@OrigamiRobot True, but you can't really compare the power level of that item to the power level of items we're used to, either.
5:41 PM
Looks like power inflation is going to be a very real thing with the expansion.
Can't even sell plans, so you have to be stupidly lucky to find the plans for those things, anyways.
There are two ways to get rid of the old economy and start a new one. Power inflation and ladder.
@StrixVaria or mass deletions.
@StrixVaria Weren't they saying they were going to add in ladder?
Just delete everyones characters and items. Problem solved!
@Wipqozn Ladder is like the lite version of mass deletions.
5:43 PM
@StrixVaria Go hard or go home.
@Frank They were saying that, but then they stopped saying that or talking about it.
Did they ever add in PVP?
In the expansion you play as your characters' descendants. Pick an item to keep and lose everything else!!
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@Wipqozn Kind of.
5:44 PM
With a $10 Scroll of Boon you get to keep 2 items. BEST VALUE!
There's no organized tournament/ranking system like they initially promised.
But you can enter a free for all PvP zone.
@Lazers Um, CS is a Games for Windows game?
@StrixVaria Except you can't actually trade anything worth trading.
@StrixVaria I wonder why.
Have they given any reason why they never added it in?
@Wipqozn I think it's because the balance for PvE is already so hard, trying to balance PvP on top of it would be literally impossible.
@OrigamiRobot You can still trade rares, which are still worth trading.
5:46 PM
@StrixVaria Ah I see. So just not worth adding in the system to begin with if you'r enot going to properly support it.
Makes sense.
@badp What globbing insanity is this?
@StrixVaria Except crafted rares which are the ones worth something. And when the mystic comes out, those will also be BoA IIRC.
So why bother trading?
@Powerlord ** matches any file in this folder and all subfolders
I'm looking at 600 directories of photorec output and I'm looking for stuff to clean up so stuff to salvage stands out
such a good soundtrack.
I love System Shock 2. It's so fantastic.
I'm going to assume it's BASH specific, because I've never heard of it as a standard shell script thing.
5:48 PM
No. It's fish specific.
...oh yay, so it's not even one you'll run into on a standard *nix system.
@StrixVaria Do you have an Echoing Fury?
Shelter, one of 2013's must-plays, is $1 right now on @IndieGameStand. Read our review, then go buy it! http://www.gamezebo.com/games/shelter/review
(that you don't administer that is)
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5:50 PM
@Powerlord No.
@Powerlord On those I'd administer I'd just install it!
(inb4 haha! but I work for the government! Security audits!)
> Gain the base effect of all four Mantras at all times.
@OrigamiRobot No.
@StrixVaria Full Monk set bonus.
@OrigamiRobot WAT
5:51 PM
guys, my Gir-o-meter is going off scale
@badp Yeah, our servers are all various versions of Windows for our office anyway.
Btw, are they making it so items are more thna just an increase to a stat?
1 min ago, by Origami Robot
> Gain the base effect of all four Mantras at all times.
In Diablo 2 items usually had some nifty effects outside of just increase to a stat.
5:52 PM
@OrigamiRobot Where are you seeing this?
@OrigamiRobot Oh, that's an item.
@Wipqozn Yes, item decisions are already more interesting.
@StrixVaria Game guide.
Okay, I think I will wind up playing diablo 3 again.
Granted, I can't speak on behalf of the entire government here since IT basically lets them use whatever passes the security audits on public facing systems.
5:52 PM
@Wipqozn Yes!
(It's more involved than that, but I'm lazy)
Did you ever hit level 60 before?
Because the item system in D3 was terrible at launch combined with the AH combinde with the lack of attribute points.
They've basically solved 2/3 of my problems with D3.
@Wipqozn Paragon system is pretty cool now.
Where you get to assign attribute points.
5:53 PM
@FAE so true
@OrigamiRobot Oh, are they bringing back some of the D2 type set bonuses?
Like Tal-Rasha's Wrappings had a few aura type effects for the full set
@StrixVaria Not sure what that is, but I'll need to look into it. If they solve 3/3 that would be quite impressive.
> Your Fetish Army lasts until they die.
@Wipqozn Every level you gain once you're at level cap gives you 1 point to spend on different attributes.
Full Zuni set bonus
5:54 PM
@OrigamiRobot wantwantwantwantwantwantwant
@OrigamiRobot That's cool
@StrixVaria Interesting.
Don't know how relevant that is.
I'm really looking forward to playing now
This sounds like a lot of fun
@OrigamiRobot They usually last 20 seconds on a 2-minute cooldown, so it's significant.
5:54 PM
Zeus damn it @OrigamiRobot, I'm going to wind up spending money on the expansion.
I'm just playing my old character for now, but once the expansion hits, I'm going to start over with a Crusader
I have enough games to not play!
@Wipqozn It's on a per-account basis, not per-character. You can spend the points on a per-character basis, but the amount of points you have is the same across all your characters.
> Call of the Ancients last until they die.
IK full set bonus
@OrigamiRobot I have 2 Inna's pieces from pre-patch. Are the set bonuses retroactive?
5:57 PM
@StrixVaria can you respec your paragon points?
@OrigamiRobot Bwuh? Echoing Fury now gives all four Mantras?
@Chippies Yes.
@StrixVaria No
@Frank No, 4-piece Inna's set does.
5:57 PM
> Archon gains the effect of every rune.
New level 70 wiz set
Hoh wow, this is so tempting.
@OrigamiRobot lol wat
@badp image was blocked on me for that.
5:57 PM
@StrixVaria Well, I need two more pieces, then.
@Frank I don't think it's retroactive.
You might need all 4 new.
I also am wearing 2 pieces of Inna's right now.
@Chippies Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
@GnomeSlice What is?
@GnomeSlice shut up, we already met today. We're talking on IRC like RIGHT NOW!
5:59 PM
@GnomeSlice there's no need for hi!
that being said... @GnomeSlice Hiiiiii!
If downloading from Groupees weren't a total pain in the ass, I'd probably buy it.
Tweeted the two artists whose stuff I want to see if I can weasel a bandcamp code out of them if I buy it.
@Chippies I love you

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