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9:15 PM
@BretCopeland The charts for my Cherokee are in F. Of course they're also 50 years old :)
 
I just have performance tables :( (that no longer apply because of our new engine :) )
 
(my range charts are also in statute miles instead of nautical miles. Flight planing is fun :-/)
 
i've never found range charts all that useful
 
All my charts are in the unofficial "Cherokee Owner's Handbook" - the AFM basically says "Yeah. Pilots are smart. They'll figure it out..."
I have MY range chart which is actually accurate
i.e. I have my calculated fuel burn rates and an E6B to figure out how long I can REALLY fly around for :-P
 
i have an accurate totalizer and limited range so i just play it safe :P
 
9:22 PM
"No Wind" performance charts are the "First, assume the cow is a perfect sphere..." of aviation :-)
my fuel gauges are - surprisingly - accurate!
 
sight gauges... not so much
 
as opposed to he binary gauge in the planes I trained in. "There is fuel" / "There is NO fuel"
 
cessna is good at that
 
the Grumman has sight gauges?
 
yeah. the 4-seaters have "real" pointer gauges, but the -1 series uses sight tubes in the cabin sidewalls
 
9:26 PM
My only fuel gauge complaint is the gauge for my right tank needs vibration before it will read - so I either have to hit it or start the engine
 
nice
weird, i haven't really been following the Sukhoi Superjet at all... it's got tiny engines! flickr.com/photos/31357475@N08/11729031953/in/…
 
what do you think of textron's new light attack jet?
 
is it a beechcraft? :)
 
weird proportions, i just googled it
 
9:31 PM
it looks like they took a Cessna Cardinal wing & slapped it on an F-14 :)
I like it though
 
looks like an attempt to create the 21st century Dragonfly
 
hah yeah a little bit!
$20M tho? I'd buy one if the government was paying :)
 
still weird to me that light attack jets often have two seats
is the theory that they get used as advanced trainers, too?
no internal cannon, huh
guess it needs those huge twin tails to counteract the wide-set twin engines
you lose one, you are gonna need a lotta yaw input
 
This one seems targeted as a trainer with attack capsbility
 
yeah
also why wouldn't you just buy this? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-130
 
9:37 PM
and yeah the engines are far from being centerline thrust!
 
15 mil
looks better ;)
carries more
 
because it's a commie jet! Can't train no American pilots in no commie jet son!
 
Hi guys, how's it going?
 
hey, Danny
 
@lnafziger I'm going to add 3-letter IATA codes, instead of presuming it should have a K in front of it (e.g. for Europe, it'd probably be E, not K)
 
9:39 PM
If someone else was paying for it I'd want this/ en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-52
 
two of those based at my home airport, they do simulated combat trips
well, they actually may be nanchangs
 
@BretCopeland That's actually on my to-do list already :) "human time": github.com/dannybeckett/SO-ChatBot/blob/master/source/plugins/…
 
totally impractical - but DEAD SEXY ;)
 
;)
the Bonanzski
 
heh the 18 is more practical
 
9:42 PM
whoa. a modern 6-seat version: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technoavia_SM-94
 
@BretCopeland @egid @Inafziger - more than to happy to get rid of "AGL"... just a thought, if there are 3 different sets of info for clouds, it could read "whatever @ 10,000ft; whatever @ 7,500ft; whatever @ 5,000ft (AGL)" instead?
 
cool
 
with just one AGL at the end?
@egid Will get rid of " (altimeter)"
 
Probably better to sort clouds low to high - other than that I don't think you need to say AGL at all
 
@BretCopeland Will look into gusts and get that working
@BretCopeland What are your thoughts on !!weather-us, !!weather-uk, and !!weather-eu for the different ways of displaying imperial/metric?
 
9:45 PM
@DannyBeckett Only one AGL sounds good, but maybe it should be after the first altitude, not the last. And definitely in low to high order.
 
Can always keep !!weather
 
@DannyBeckett seems unnecessary. I don't care about the °F but if others do then keeping it is fine with me.
 
I mean RE: kilometres etc too
there's also inches of mercury vs milibars
 
i would say just keep it as one script with conversions
 
@DannyBeckett I know, but I still think it's unnecessary.
 
9:46 PM
there are plenty of US weather graphics with mb
 
@BretCopeland ok!
have I missed anyone else's comments?
@BretCopeland are you able to change display names, by chance?
I wasn't able to change the bot's before the account was 30 days old, so I got Tim Post to... but he only changed the one profile
so it still shows up as "Aviation Chat Bot" because the parent profile is SO
!!info
 
@DannyBeckett change what to what?
 
1 sec
to "Otto the Autopilot" :p
its Aviation profile got renamed, but not SO
 
should call it A02 ;P
 
You can change the chat parent account :)
 
9:50 PM
I'm open to suggestions for a display name and avatar
@voretaq7 Won't that disable its chatting ability?
because its Aviation profile has no rep
 
(Or Bret can - I would but I'm on my phone & mobile chat blows
 
I changed it's parent account, I guess we can see if it still works.
 
!!info
 
@DannyBeckett I awoke on Sun, 05 Jan 2014 10:34:18 GMT (that's about 11 hours ago), got invoked 7 times, learned 1 commands, teleported 56 goats
 
Chat is network wide (I think it respects SO rep too)
 
9:51 PM
looks like that worked! (after an F5)
 
thanks Bret
anyone get the reference?
 
yeah :)
 
shows up as "Otto the" in the chat
 
9:53 PM
yeah it does :(
Apparently his name was Otto
could just put "Automatic Pilot" like it was referred to in the film
maybe that'd fit
 
@egid depends on how wide your screen is.
 
Should make the avatar the blow-up doll :)
 
@voretaq7 it is already! haha (maybe you need to refresh)
 
ah yeah i see it's fluid
 
The mobile chat interface is demonstrating it's suckyness then
 
@BretCopeland the mobile interface has issues where the text box gets pinned somewhere under the keyboard
 
can you see that @voretaq7?
 
that I can see
 
i'm assuming it uses js rather than fixed positioning?
 
@egid report it as on meta.stackoverflow.com
 
9:56 PM
@egid if you aren't on an iPhone or something tiny switch to the full chat.
Chat bugs will be ignored in the order in which they were flagged in the bridge :-)
 
lol!
I think I remember the bug you mean actually... I just ignored it. You can still type... you just can't see what you're typing, til you scroll down.
 
yeah. it's a visual issue, not a breaking bug
 
In fairness they do fix chat bugs - they're just low priority
 
but it means that new messages are also obscured by the keyboard, even if they're not your messages
 
that bug doesn't exist on iPhone mobile :)
instead I get 2 lines of chat above my keyboard
 
10:00 PM
HEY ALL... So do we want to rename this chat room?
 
i get it on my iphone
 
4
Q: What should we call our chat room?

called2voyageMost SE site chat rooms get a clever name at some point. What ideas do you have?

 
I like The Hangar personally
 
The Hanger was also my vote.
 
mine too
 
10:00 PM
(and the winning answer)
 
s/er/ar/ unless you're hanging clothes ;P
 
I'd say go for it Bret
 
hangar sounds fine
 
room topic changed to The Hanger: General discussion for aviation.stackexchange.com (no tags)
 
@egid lol!!
 
maybe also add something like this to the description? "You can get METAR and weather data for a 4-character ICAO airport by typing !!metar KJFK or !!weather KJFK"
 
room topic changed to The Hangar: General discussion for aviation.stackexchange.com (no tags)
 
:D
 
wow, not sure how I missed typing hanger twice. Not thinking at all.
 
haha
 
10:03 PM
lol
 
Anyone have a clever topic?
 
do any of you do Wings rather than flight reviews?
 
We may want to do theme topics at some point like we do on SF (set the back half of the topic Roma significant historical event in Aviation)
 
on the subject, can we all be room owners? :p @BretCopeland
 
i wonder if there's a 'this day in aviation history' feed
 
10:04 PM
@egid there probably is!
 
that could be fun to add
 
http://www.thisdayinaviation.com/feed/
 
That might be worth adding to the room feeds
 
Ticker or message feed?
 
I guess message - it's only 1/day right?
 
10:06 PM
yeah
 
it actually looks like it's multiple
there are 4 or so from today
which is a bit odd
 
Tickers only work if we 're here to see them
 
@egid ah that's pretty cool actually
 
Meh if it gets annoying we can always make it a ticker instead :)
 
quick question on the "clouds low -> high"
 
10:07 PM
@voretaq7 exactly. I'll try it as a message feed.
@DannyBeckett ?
 
have any of you seen the !!weather command printing out in a different order?
 
so far I think the only feed triggering is UCAP :)
 
or was it just because I gave a bad example earlier, on the subject of AGL?
 
@dannybecket I think the feed has been ok so far
 
10:09 PM
@voretaq7 ok great, just wanted to check (I presumed the data would be in the correct order, as received from the XML data source)
 
@BretCopeland isn't having midlife powers to abuse AWESOME?! :)
 
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whoa
 
modlike! MODLIKE you stupid autocorrect!
 
lol :p
 
10:10 PM
@voretaq7 midlife is funnier.
 
midlife is a lot funnier
 
@egid yeah it sorta loses it's mind when you first add a feed :)
 
yeah haha
I starred it :p
 
hey, @DannyBeckett, you were asking about training costs a day or two ago
 
@BretCopeland hey if you WANT to be old...
 
10:10 PM
have you looked into training in Iceland?
 
no I haven't actually
 
it's EASA and apparently a lot cheaper than the UK
 
wouldn't have considered it, even
 
I did a couple flights when I took a trip there, it was a lot of fun actually
 
@DannyBeckett I don't know what the precedent is for room owners. @voretaq7 thoughts?
 
10:11 PM
I bet it was... fooking freezing there
 
@DannyBeckett I'm blue. I can fix it later when I'm home! REVISIONIST HISTORY FTmfW!
 
@BretCopeland At least in the JS room, there are about 20+ owners
 
@DannyBeckett it's not that bad - it's probably warmer than the Orkneys a good chunk of the time
it was pretty comparable to weather in Seattle, where I'm from. the weather it gets comes out of the south (caribbean) rather than the north, like canada
 
@egid I actually lived in Norway for about a year too... wish I'd have looked into it then
was earning the most I ever had there, and it's "nearby"
 
haha
 
10:12 PM
@BretCopeland on SF we basically give it out to any regulars who ask - it's basically the ability to set tags & topics and I think feeds
 
Icelandair is fairly cheap
 
@voretaq7 Okay, then I have no problem with that.
 
the instructor I flew with at Flugskoli is half English, half Icelandic
 
there's really nt much precedent except "if you abuse it we'll take it away!" :$
 
@voretaq7 this
 
10:13 PM
so he had some interesting comments on the area, and flying in both countries
 
AUGH MY UNSENT MESSAGE
 
/me cries
anyway i was going to say a license from an EASA compliant country might do you more good in the EU than one from the US
even if the costs are higher to earn the rating
 
@egid I was listening to some Aussies on a podcast talking about IFR training - I remember they paid some ungodly amount PER PRACTICE APPROACH ( not even landing, just to shoot the ILS to a missed)
 
10:15 PM
yeah
 
actually, now that I'm an owner, gonna move the bot's parent room to here
 
iceland has no user fees
 
had it set to the other room... basically means that if the bot hiccups, you actually see the error message, instead of the error being sent to the testing room (it does happen infrequently: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/13005764#13005764)
 
it was like a weird combo of alaska and europe
flight plan for all flights, filed with the tower at the airplane's base airport... but you can basically fly anywhere
and relatively little ATC
 
like I'm pretty much accustomed to Republic where if your wheels touch pavement they charge you $2.50, but "pay to use the ILS" is just WTF to me
 
we're totally spoiled in the US
 
@egid yeah that's probably true!
@voretaq7 hooooly... :|
 
so, anybody do WINGS to replace a flight review?
 
@egid I plan to
you can also use them in place of a FIRC or activity renewal too I think?
 
the website is sooooo slow
i'm not sure about that
but a CFI renewal can be used in place of the ground portion of a flight review
 
10:19 PM
WINGS? yeah.
the site is starting to see traffic I think
 
I think the only thing you can use to replace a FIRC is a renewal based on student activity
 
A lot of the AOPA ASF courses qualify for WINGS credit too
& idk if they still do them but FAAST was doing pretty regular webinars with great content that also qualified
 
i haven't touched the WINGS site in like 4 years
 
the whole Sequester mess TOTALLY fucked the FAA Safety Team :-/
 
the last activity is a never-approved request for credit for my ASES rating :(
 
10:22 PM
Ignore me for a minute... switching the bot's parent room over to here
 
uh oh why is LogTen just spinning on load
i really, really need to switch away from this crap
 
!!info
!!live
 
yeah if i do flight stuff for wings I'm basically gonna have to teach the instructors how to use the system :-/
 
!!info
!!live
 
@DannyBeckett You do not have permission to use the command live
 
10:23 PM
what the
 
@egid I still use a paper logbook :-P
 
i still have a paper logbook, but it is wildly outdated
 
!!live
 
i am currently second-guessing that decision
 
THE COMPUTERS ARE RISING UP! ITS ALL SKYNET UP IN HERE! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!
 
10:24 PM
I would use LogTen if it weren't Apple products only.
 
@DannyBeckett I'm afraid I can't let you do that, Danny Beckett
 
@BretCopeland don't. it's an upgrade mill.
even if you were an apple user
 
@BretCopeland are you one of those holdouts not using Foreflight? 0_o
 
it's an outrageously expensive option
it appears that this version may not run on 10.9
i've been holding out
 
@voretaq7 Foreflight is the only reason I own an iPad.
But I run Windows, Linux, and Android otherwise.
 
10:25 PM
I wish Foreflight would let me print the map easily...
 
i tried out the Jepp GPS+VFR maps awhile back
kind of interesting
 
(I gave up switching the bot's parent room)
 
@egid I tried a bunch of apps, Foreflight isn't perfect but it's REALLY close :-)
 
and their paid upgrades
@voretaq7 i agree, WingX is a nightmare
and Jepp's never been that good at software
 
that's part of why I like FF - $150/yr, I get ALL the upgrades, and georeference ALL THE THINGS? Totally worth it!
 
10:28 PM
sigh I really need to start making software for the aviation industry
 
yeah, i have an idea floating around in my head that i need to get cracking on
 
@egid we all have some of those.
 
me too... was explaining it to @voretaq7 last night
 
well this is shitty... i might have to install 10.8 in a VM in order to export my logbook
 
@DannyBeckett The FAA is supposedly gonna start charging for chart data so either FF is gonna go up in price or take a profit margin hit...
 
10:30 PM
I bet it's the former
 
I just gotta finish my log-scan-management software
 
is it legal to smoke in your own plane in the States does anyone know? (curious)
talking normal cigarettes
 
@DannyBeckett depends on what the interior is made of :)
 
they banned smoking in "work vehicles" a while ago in the UK
@voretaq7 lol, that's a good point
 
If you don't meet the flame retardant requirements you must placard the aircraft "SMOKING PROHIBITED"
 
10:32 PM
ah really... interesting factoid
 
doesn't matter to me either way - once you walk through the gate to the ramp I consider smoking prohibited :)
 
I mean if you're flying your own small plane
 
And I don't smoke so nobody is stinking up MY plane :)
 
well, most of the ones built before the 70s came with cigarette lighters and ashtrays
 
@voretaq7 lol
 
10:33 PM
but that doesn't mean you should!
ask on the main site ;)
it's a good question
 
nah I'll probably get called ridiculous again
apparently I've asked too many ridiculous questions
 
but there's no general prohibition other than the burn test requirements - if you post the question on the site I'll see if I can find the relevant FAR
 
that said, we need more questions...
 
which questions were ridiculous?
 
ok I'll post it... gonna go outside to smoke first (what prompted the question :p)
 
10:35 PM
My weather / planning question was pretty ridiculous :-P
 
@voretaq7 not too sure specifically.. got into something of a short comment debate about it, then flagged and it was all deleted
it was on my question about "uber-paranoid passenger jumping out of a burning plane"
ridiculous? perhaps.... was just curious more than anything
brb
 
Eh, idk if that was ridiculous - hard to really answer though. Like I said in my answer anything good will probably be taken away from you by security.
 
ugh. does anybody use LogTen? I really just need a csv/tsv export of my logbook so I can migrate to a different platform. I'd rather not spend $100 to upgrade the software :(
 
Like pre-9/11 when American made me check my toolkit (soldering iron, screwdrivers, etc.) -"DaFUQ you think I'm gonna do? Disassemble a freakin DC-9 at 30,000 feet?!"
 
obviously
 
10:39 PM
@egid what are you going to switch to?
 
@BretCopeland I'm considering pilotpro.com if i can get the import to work via the webapp
 
PAPER :-)
 
@voretaq7 I have 1.5 years of instructional flying to backlog into paper
so something like 600 hours
 
<- sysadmin, therefore does not trust electronic logbooks
 
and that's just up until three years ago
 
10:40 PM
@egid print the CSV & sign it :-)
 
so probably 800 hours of backlogged flights to move to paper
@voretaq7 i gotta get the csv export to work first
i'm trying an export from my phone, which is churning away
 
Nothing says your logbook can't be a 3-ring binder with CSV printouts in it! :-)
 
no no i know, i just don't like that ;(
i have a very nice big asa logbook that i quite like
well two actually
i'd like to avoid yet another place where my paper is
 
I have an ASA logbook that in dying to fill (I hate the format) & a Jepp replacement for when I do (which has an awesome format)
 
holy shit the iPhone export succeeded
just a 1.6mb text file
no big deal
 
10:42 PM
there's an old woman opposite me with alzheimers... keep noticing her front door open late at night...
 
FREEDOM FROM THE OPPRESSIVE TYRANY OF LOGTEN! :)
 
just been over to tell her.. "oh my carpets soaking" (rain)
not sure really what to do though... think she forgets to shut it
 
Does she have family?
 
get a little hydraulic door closer arm
 
If not do UK police do welfare checks?
 
10:44 PM
@voretaq7 not if you can afford to keep your own home, I don't think
don't ever see any family round
it's not a bad neighbourhood but you get the odd gypsy etc passing through
 
In the US (at least in NY) you can usually get cops to do a welfare check if you call & report that you can't contact your neighbor, they're old/ infirm, etc. -- it's a lie priority thing tho :-/
 
seems a bad idea to call the police though... ah well, sure it'll be ok
other than her getting wet feet... she'll probably forget about that though
"Is it legal to smoke in your own plane?" -> "The question you're asking appears subjective and is likely to be closed" automated popup
 
Tell the popup to go hump a porcupine :-)
 
0
Q: Is it legal to smoke in your own plane?

Danny BeckettI was just curious, in the past, smoking on planes was permitted. What is the law surrounding smoking in your own private plane? For the purposes of this question, in the United States.

 
ok so the import from logten to pilot pro loses a ton of data :(
doesn't seem designed for instructors
no way to track crew etc
i guess i have managed to avoid paying for an upgrade in about 4 years
 
10:53 PM
@voretaq7 lmfao... it's entirely possible
 
logten has the market pretty tightly wrapped up :-/
 
after all, on non-fly-by-wire planes, you could theoretically remove your seat and slice the cables underneath... no doubt someone would pound your ass into Timbucktu, but still
 
i'm pretty sure those cables are pretty far away from the seats
:)
 
they're really not
they're directly below
I watched a documentary about either a heavy Boeing or Airbus
I guess it was a Boeing
 
anyway they're also hydraulics
 
10:56 PM
that's true... it was interesting though
 
Hey - my cherokee is fly by wire!
There's a little steel wire from the yoke to the ailerons, one to the flaps, two to the stabilator... :-)
 
I think it was a 747 on D-Check
lol @voretaq7
think it was that one
gonna try to find the specific bit
(@voretaq7 as you can see, I've been watching a lot of aircraft maintenance shows)
 
@egid on one of the Transport jets there are cables in the tunnel under the cabin floor. There's an explosive decompression incident where the cabin floor buckled & pinned the cables & the flight crew literally sawed through part of the impinging structure fighting to move the ailerons
 
hah.
 
oh wait, maybe not that bit..
 

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