The Bridge

Lazers

00:23

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After many many years of StarCraft 1 I've finally built up the courage to face possible disappointment in StarCraft 2 and bought myself a shiny new copy of it. I've played my way through 10 or so campaign missions and am definitely not disappointed - the way they've stayed really close to the or...

Raven Dreamer

01:39

Hey @tzenes - you mind taking a gander at this meta thread? I'm not sure if you had or hadn't seen it. meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/2416/…

tzenes

01:53

We really should have proper merging

for duplicates

Lazers

02:36

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Q: How to install DeathMatch Server on Mac OSX for Counter Strike: Source

I have a Steam Account and have installed Counter Strike:Source on my Mac OSX. I am bored of the local servers... How can I setup a DeathMatch Server on my copy of CS:S?? Please tell me what to install if there is something needed to install... Thanks!

mac counter-strike-source

Lazers

03:37

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Q: Is a single set of armor feasible for tier 3?

In Spiral Knights, since I've reached tier 2, I've noticed that I take a lot more damage from elemental and shadow attacks than I do from normal ones. After doing a little research, I've discovered that this is because damage is split into 4 types (normal,piercing,elemental,shadow), and your armo...

spiral-knights

Lazers

04:49

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Q: There's a Mouse in my Gaming Room. What do I do?

This little bugger keeps startling the crap out of me, zooming around this room I do my gaming in. Every time I catch him out of the corner of my eye, I think he's a big cockroach or something for a moment or two. What can I do about this?

strategy mouse

Arda Xi

06:34

@tzenes We do, but it's a mod-only thingy.

badp

06:54

@tzenes When you see something deserving a merge flag

M'vy

Hi there. What is that last question?

is it about a game?

Arda Xi

07:18

Closed by Jeff, deleted by Marc? Interesting.

badp

08:08

Sentry jumping is so wrong

and I play mainly engineer

Arda Xi

08:25

SE chat really needs long-term activity graphs. It seems as though it's been declining a lot lately.

badp

exams and stuff.

Arda Xi

08:41

Well, yeah, but I mean longer-term.

Lazers

11:15

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Q: is zerg meat eatable?

With the huge amount of zerg infestation combined with human appetite I was expecting to find more references about this aspect. There is now a Aiur Chef map, but I have not played that yet. Do you know any good zerg receipes?

starcraft-2

Wipqozn

12:15

@Lazers I have to admit, I'm rather curious now myself. However, I can't help but feel he just posted the question as a joke and I can't approve of people just posting questions as a joke. All that will serve to do is take up space on the site.

Mana

13:16

Yo dudes.

I SAID. YO. DUDES.

kicks @Arda where are all my dudes at

Yi Jiang

@Mana Dudes are going for 20 pieces ol' eight a piece! Get them right here, cheap ol' second hand dudes!

Wipqozn

@Mana Bored?

Mana

Oh, there we all are.

And yeah maaaaan. So bored.

I don't want to study economics, I don't want to study up on how to be a penetration tester, stats isn't appealing right now

what do I dooooooooooo

Wipqozn

@Mana Team Fortress 2 or Minecraft? From what I've gathered, they are the only two games anyone on The Bridge plays.

Mana

Ooooh. Harsh.

I do agree that there is a lot of discussion about those two games though.

Wipqozn

13:24

@Mana I'm a rebel, what can I say (plus I didn't mean it to to sound harsh :P)

Mana

But really, just like how there should be lots of questions for each game, there should be lots of discussion for each game

TF2 and MC are just really popular for some reason

Yi Jiang

@Mana Hey now, don't diss economics. I found it to be brilliant

badp

@Mana DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE.

Mana

I didn't diss it maaaaaan, I just don't want to look at it right now

badp

Economy is boring. Well, the way they teach economy at engineering is boring.

And they basically teach you how to fill forms when doing balancing (kill me now) and how to study investments (which actually was kinda interesting)

Wipqozn

13:27

@YiJiang In my economies class, we spent an entire class learning y=mx+b. I was pursuing a Math Degree, so as you can imagine, I was dying on the inside.

badp

@Wipqozn Man, there's a multiplication in there. Tough stuff.

Mana

Here's that star since you worked so hard to rearrange those messages, @Wipqozn.

Wipqozn

@Mana haha thank you :P

badp

You gotta be careful there! A billion here, a billion there, soon it sums up to become real money.</obligatory>

Yi Jiang

Awwwww... we are looking at microecons in the first year - models of how the market works

Wipqozn

13:27

@badp True!

Mana

@YiJiang Oh, crap, really? Maybe I shouldn't be reading a macroecons book then...:x

whassup @Thomas

badp

In other news

> Already implemented are new complex terrain features, at least one new mob, some interesting new combat mechanics, a new lighting engine, and some experimental new gameplay ideas. To come is more interesting farming, bigger incentives to explore, and npc villages.

Wipqozn

@ThomasMcDonald Just the person I've been wanting to see! Where is your picture from? I keep seeing folks with similar pictures, and I've been dying to know.

badp

Minecraft says to Terraria, "challenge accepted!"

user30

wwaaaaaagh popularity.

badp

13:29

sorta.

HEY LOOK IT'S @THOM

WOOOOOOO

user30

@Wipqozn faceyourmanga.com

user30

@Mana hey man(a)

badp

@ThomasMcDonald tmi

Wipqozn

@ThomasMcDonald Thank you! I don't want one myself, but I've been most curious.

Mana

@Thom uses that avatar since he's afraid to face his true face

user30

13:31

@Man uh.

Wipqozn

@Mana Someone looks very drunk.

Mana

But it's okay. We all know that last name's a lie and that you're really the lead singer of Radiohead.

YOU DON'T NEED TO LIE ANYMORE.

user30

Look like I'll just go back to that aptitude test, the hatred is scolding.

Mana

wooooah

That wasn't hate man

user30

shwoosh

Mana

13:32

that was me comparing you to the GREATEST BAND OF ALL TIME's lead singer

if hipsters are to be believed

Wipqozn

@Mana Crazy hipsters.

Mana

(but Radiohead seriously is a sick band)

Wipqozn

Haven't those hipsters ever heard of Phineas and the Ferbtones?

►

user30

big fan of Nero at the moment

Mana

wow

drop everything

user30

13:35

also, I think I may have said I'm going to see Arctic Monkeys.

Mana

this band is the best.

user30

but I'm going to see Arctic Monkeys at the end of october.

Mana

@Thomas aww yeah!

user30

According to @mollstam, there's about 1800 game launches per minute. I have no idea how many concurrent players that translates to.

Tweeted by notch on June 28, 2011 at 1:34 PM

user30

that's a lotta minecraft.

Mana

13:35

That is a disgusting statistic.

:|

user30

Also, TF2 had over 100k concurrent players the other day

user30

Which I think was the most for any Steam game ever.

Mana

user30

Mana

Also @Wipqozn's theory of bridge gravitation is proven to be a law.

Yi Jiang

13:38

@Mana I'd imagine at Minecraft HQ they have this huge "Hours wasted on Minecraft" counter that's spinning so quickly the numbers become a blur

thedaian

@Mana, re: economics, you should study the economics of EVE Online and how the $68 monocle is causing something to happen to the economy

Mana

Wipqozn's law of gravitation. Every topic on The Bridge, must, inevitably, eventually return to Minecraft and TF2.

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Yi Jiang

user30

@Mana problem?

Wipqozn

@Mana I'm a genius, really.

Mana

13:40

@thomas umadumadumadumadumadumadumadumadumadumadumadumadumadumadumadumadumadumadumadumad‌umadumadumadumadumadumadumadumadumadumadumadumadumadumadumadumadumadumadumad

ad infinitum

user30

No, urmad. I no mad.

Mana

Oh.

Well, okay then.

Wipqozn

@Mana HE put you in your place.

Mana

@thedaian Haha. Yeah, that is...something, alright. :x

Price your stupid stuff too high and you end up with mass EVE rioters. Rioting inside...a video game. hm.

Wipqozn

@Mana EVE. Serious Business.

badp

13:44

That's an interesting piece of economic insight, isn't it?

Yi Jiang

@thedaian Simple: Given that the item is extremely exclusive and it's status symbol dependent on it's price, it could be see as a form of Veblen Good and violate the laws of demand. Of course, that analysis does not include the people now pissed off at how CCP appears now as a greedy bastard

Mana

Only @sjohnston can put other people in their place by administrating the hard justice of his massive keyboard.

badp

@YiJiang Thanks for giving me a name to my hate for golden wrenches and the such

thedaian

haha, @YiJiang. Now who's going to write a thesis on the economics of EVE Online?

badp

(looks at @Mana)

Yi Jiang

13:45

Snob effect

The snob effect is a phenomenon often observed in the field of microeconomics that refers to the situation where the demand for a certain good for individuals of a higher income level is inversely related to the demand for the good by individuals of a lower income level. The "snob effect" contrasts most other microeconomic models, in that the demand curve can have a positive slope, rather than the typical negatively sloped demand curve of normal goods. This situation is derived by the desire to own unusual, expensive or unique goods. These goods usually have a high economic value, but low ...

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Also related, from inside the article:

Mana

I would mention hats right now but well

I'm afraid that might return to that game

Yi Jiang

Brilliant name.

badp

@Mana It will anyway

So what do you have to lose?

Powerlord

@YiJiang Are you making comments about my TF2 unusual hats? And yes, I'm aware that I have them just for the snob effect. :D

Mana

On the other hand, @Powerlord has no such inhibitions

tzenes

13:47

@ArdaXi and @badp I think you misunderstand what I mean

Wipqozn

@badp Exactly. Remember Wipqozn's Theory of Bridge Gravitation @mana

tzenes

proper merges would mean that when a question is closed as duplicate both questions can see eachother's answers

that way there is no longer an issue of which is closed as duplicate of the other

badp

@tzenes When you click on a link to a merged question you're redirected immediately to the other

Powerlord

@Mana The only thing was that they had to be ones I liked. As opposed to Max's Severed Head which I didn't.

Yi Jiang

@thedaian Actually, I believe there are formal analysis of the EVE Online given how the flexibility of the online game's market allows for it to be used as a model for real life markets

badp

13:48

so the merged question... vanishes, unless you click on a link that goes specifically there. (?noredirect=1 or whatever)

Powerlord

Although, now that you can paint it, it's not as bad.

tzenes

@badp I am aware. That is not the behavior I desire

Mana

@Wipqozn We remember it all too well. That's why I'm afraid to talk about it. Thankfully tzenes was there to take the topic in a completely different direction.

Wipqozn

@Mana Surely, @tzenes is a hero and a saint.

thedaian

@YiJiang I'm sure there are. It's actually a pretty cool thing, it's like Second Life without the furries.

Yi Jiang

13:49

I've seen it somewhere that says that CCP actually employs economists to help them analyses the game's market.

tzenes

The original problem is which question should be closed as a duplicate of the other

badp

@tzenes So what you're looking for is sorta like hard links? Two questions, same answers, add an answer to one and it becomes an answer to the other? I'm not really sure that's a good idea

sjohnston

@YiJiang I think it's economist, singular

tzenes

under a system where both questions get eachothers answers (what I term a proper merge), then this is no longer a problem

badp

The problem is you're answering more questions than you think you are. No two (real) questions are truly identical, and you'll be giving a somehow off-mark answer to a question without knowing

tzenes

13:50

from a coding perspective it would be: renderquestion(questionid), renderanswers(questionid), renderanswers(duplicatesId(questionid))

So mark them as merged from the other question

this is not rocket surgery

Powerlord

@badp downvotes answer that doesn't answer the question it's listed on

Yi Jiang

gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=19844

tzenes

FROM DUPLICATE QUESTION(link)

Mana

@tzenes Remember that one time you made a JSON table of game names to make it more easily parsable? That was beautiful.

tzenes

Well yeah

it was a hash of different kinds of games

where each key hashed to a list

all in json

user30

13:52

user30

F2P is killing TF2.

tzenes

also, on a completely unrelated issue, vote to reopen: gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/25426

user30

No way should I do that well.

Wipqozn

@tzenes I like the question, but I'm fairly certain he just posted it as a joke.

tzenes

That may be, but we should make a real question out of it

questions of cannon are valid on this site

Mana

13:54

@Wipqozn The poster's intentions should have nothing to do with whether or not the question should remain open or be closed.

Wipqozn

@tzenes That's fine with me.

Powerlord

@ThomasMcDonald Your screenshot doesn't really indicate why you're saying that.

user30

@Powerlord No, it doesn't. I was being an overdramatic SPUF user.

Wipqozn

@Mana If the question is worded in a way in which it is a joke, I say it would. If we reword it, I would be fine with it.

Like I said in the comments, I am very curious now myself.

user30

Apart from the fact I would usually get ~20 points, and I have done nothing differently.

Mana

13:55

fair enough maaaaaaaaaaan

badp

@tzenes Let's migrate to Cooking.

Powerlord

Having said that, I wish Valve would make their server-registration thing on their website instead of in-game.

tzenes

Cooking doesn't deal with cannon in video games

badp

@Powerlord Server registration thing?

Mana

@tzenes Wouldn't it make more sense to fix the question before voting to reopen?

Powerlord

13:55

I found out red.ocrtf2.com I had apparently only copied half of the token it gave me into the config file.

Wipqozn

@tzenes Clearly we need a new SE site then.

badp

@tzenes I know I was kidding.

Mana

@badp I laughed if it's any consolation.

tzenes

@Mana I did some

you can edit more if you'd like

Mana

oh

Powerlord

13:56

@badp It's required before your server will show up in the QuickPlay system.

Mana

hey so you did

Powerlord

cl_gameserver_createidentity or something silly like that.

and cl_gameserver_list to see what servers you have registered and their current standing.

STRANGELY, the current IPs and stuff aren't listed nor are the server names, so you have to remember that server id 2038 is your first server and 2039 is your second server.

I just made those numbers up, but they're close to my actual server numbers.

Mana

@Tzenes Maybe we should have both the "canon references to Terran or Protoss eating zerg" and "Aiur Chef recipes" as part of the question? He seemed to be interested in both kind of.

Powerlord

Oh yeah, Valve is supposedly trying to optimize their srcds server performance now. One of the changes they made yesterday effectively dropped the maximum max_fps setting to 500.

tzenes

I think only one answer exists to both questions

there are no other cannon references, no is there a guarantee that aiur chef is cannon.

Mana

14:00

Ah.

badp

@tzenes Reopened and commented

tzenes

ty

Mana

voting it up, voting it up, voting it up

I like it when we get these problems resolved quickly.

badp

btw I think my answer to gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/23041/… would also be enough grounds for reopening

since I refer to the canon. Well, somewhat.

Since I'm more directly involved there however I'd rather not take direct action

Mana

I cast my reopen vote but shouldn't we be using the question itself as the basis for reopening, not the answer? Unless you meant just that "yeah this question is asking for canon stuff" @badp

badp

14:04

@Mana Isn't the reversal badge all about answers that salvage questions?

Mana

I...genuinely don't know how to reply to that.

badp

I'll think about a comeback while I take a shower. BRB

Wipqozn

@Mana If the question was closed because it deemed unanswerable, and someone comes along (successfully) answers it, that would make the reason to close it invalid in th first place.

Mana

true

tzenes

@badp After a brief edit I'm voting to reopen (please see here: gaming.stackexchange.com/posts/23041/revisions )

Arda Xi

14:22

@Mana Exams.

Wipqozn

I must say

if there is no steam summer sale this year, I will be most disappointed .

badp

fucking shampoo in the eye

Powerlord

@Wipqozn Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

That would be starting later this week or the beginning of next week (it always falls over US Independence day, which is next Monday)

Wipqozn

@Powerlord Excellent. I was rather tired of having money.

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badp

Well TF2 is free right? Isn't that enough? :P

Wipqozn

14:28

@badp Oh sure, because it's not like everyone doesn't already own it :

ALTHOUGH

We DO get a new hat

Clearly that's better then any sale

badp

It's worth so much money we aren't allowed to trade it

or the US dollar would collapse

Powerlord

I actually still have an extra copy of the "paid" version of TF2 in my extra copies.

badp

@Powerlord you think that'll grant the hat and premium edition?

Wipqozn

@Powerlord You should sell it to someone at a mark up. It's a collectors item now!

badp

I don't think Valve would be happy with that

Mana

14:30

Quick question guys; I need a fast image editor for Linux. What should I grab?

badp

@Mana gimp

Mana

no

starts up too slow

too many windows/tools

I want the equivalent of MS Paint for Linux

badp

What desktop environment?

Mana

Ubuntu

badp

There's KPaint if you have KDE.

Mana

14:31

Gnome

badp

That's Gnome, so you're SOL.

Powerlord

@badp Premium yes, hat... probably not.

Mana

fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

badp

Has paint.net been ported to Mono?

@Mana you can still install KPaint if you don't mind half of KDE to be installed with it

Mana

Yeah, I think that happened when I installed Basket

badp

14:33

then you're fine already. Go get KPaint.

Mana

wait, what's the package for that?

I can't find anything on Kpaint @badp.

whassup @Anna

Powerlord

kpaint is apparently named kolourpaint now

Mana

ahh

okay so that is the one I want then

Powerlord

Speaking of US Independence Day being next week... 3 day weekend!

Mana

Canada Day Friday!

You guys didn't forget about that one, right? ...right?

:(

Lazers

14:40

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Q: Eater of worlds isn't so world hungry

I spawned the Eater of Worlds twice and both times he mysteriously went below the surface and didn't re-surface. In fact, I eventually received the message "Eater of Worlds has been slain!" What gives? Where is he going and mysteriously getting himself killed? Can I find his drops, eventually?

terraria boss-fights

Mana

'sup @bckbck

bckbck

hi @Mana

Mana

You're one of the few users of our chat, along with @Mvy, who have no vowels in their name. How does that make you feel?

bckbck

o rly?

Mana

Yeah maaaaaaaaaan.

bckbck

14:50

i feel erm... fine

perfectly fine

Mana

cool

badp

@Mana ubuntugeek.com/pinta-paint-net-clone-for-linux.html

Mana

oh cool

Does this one let me type without erasing everything beside it?

Anna Lear

@badp Does it really need porting? Has anyone tried just running it under mono?

Mana

@Anna Apparently yes.

badp

14:52

@AnnaLear There's a google code project about it

Mana

oh

wait running it

Arda Xi

@Mana In @Mvy, y is a vowel.

Mana

Y is not a vowel, I will kick you in the face.

Arda Xi

@Mana Why?

Anna Lear

@Mana @badp and now I know. :)

Arda Xi

14:54

@Mana FYI, the word 'why' has a vowel.

badp

@Mana Y is a vowel even in latin

Arda Xi

However, in words like you it's a consonant.

badp

and I would say latins know a little bit more about grammar than I do pal!

Mana

Woah, okay guys. Cool it on the yellow name train.

badp

I was just quoting meet the soldier :/

bckbck

14:55

are letters b, c or k vowels :P ?

Arda Xi

@bckbck No.

bckbck

in latin?

Arda Xi

@bckbck No.

bckbck

other languages?

Arda Xi

You're vowel-less.

bckbck

14:56

oh yeah.

Mana

kicks Arda in the vowels

Arda Xi

@bckbck Not any languages I'm aware of, and I'm aware of a lot of them.

changes nick to rd X

Mana

Infinitely cooler than your current one.

badp

how about rdxrdx

for consistency

Arda Xi

@badp I'm not a cpct.

Mana

14:58

mnnnnnnnnnnn

it lacks something.

Arda Xi

M vwls hrt.

badp

you are however a mermaid

Arda Xi

N, 'm mrmd.

Keaanu

Some kid won a bet against his teacher that he could find a word with no vowels in the dictionary.

Word was "Shhh!"

Won $50

Mana

...

@Keaanu When are they making this into a movie about never giving up and trusting in yourself?

Keaanu

15:02

It's probably in production

badp

I activated dingaling pitch changing based on damage done

Tim Stone

I've heard they've already started on the sequel

badp

now when my sentry hits, I can hear the bells singing

if that don't work, I use my wrangler, and get more bell.

Mana

heh, more bell

bckbck

can someone write a userscript to remove vowels in chat?

that would be interesting

M'vy

15:05

Humm...

Powerlord

@badp Objection!

badp

@Powerlord Cicero invented it, and then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of a tribunal.

M'vy

Well since my pseudonyme is just a representation of a sound, I'm not even sure it has letters

Keaanu

@Mvy You could be like the people in Code Geass, and have a name unrepresentable in human words

M'vy

But if you are confused with it, you can think of it has HumVee (like the car yes :P

Yeah! @Keaanu! That rocks!

Keaanu

15:17

Like the sound a drop of water makes when it falls into a pool of water

There's.. no spoken or written word for it

M'vy

Yep, problem comes when you need to write it to register on SO :D

Mana

Oh man, Code Geass.

What the heck kind of name is Lelouche, anyways?

What was up with that?!

M'vy

well...

Keaanu

You see that a lot in anime though, like Light and L in Death Note.

Though I kindof wish my name was L

Lazers

0

Q: List of champions by fastest move speed

I tend to find myself preferring champions with high mobility (Poppy, Evelynn, Singed etc) and I am interested in roaming. No point roaming with a slow champion. (I don't want a list of viable roamers, I roam with Poppy and she isn't recommended) The move speed has to take into consideration: ...

league-of-legends

0

Q: Minecraft Biome / Spawnpoint shifted

I'm really despaired and don't know what to do. I read another posts but have details, which could maybe help some programming guys to find a solution. So: We've got a SMP-server for nearly 6 weeks and everything worked very well. No mods and no plugins so there can't be any problems. After...

minecraft

Mana

15:26

L's real name actually being L was the most disappointing after-the-end twist ever

Keaanu

But at least you don't see it coming

If only because it makes negative sense

Mana

fair nuff

Have there been any decent anime lately at all? I heard they were adapting Mirai Nikki which has me excited and Durarara! was pretty cool but I can't really think of anything else cool.

Keaanu

Bleach recently released an ending to its main story

Episode 310. Longest series of LIFE

Powerlord

I keep hoping we'll see more Haruhi Suzumiya.

Mana

Wait what? Bleach anime ended with the Aizen fight?

Keaanu

15:31

Ergo Proxy had a good ending, but a long and arduous story

Well Bleach is still going, but Aizen was sortof the main villain throughout, no?

badp

teamfortress.com/engineerupdate/wrenchlog - I know you've been looking for this

Keaanu

Unless they bring him back in the next season... then I'll have to cry. I just want an ending.

Mana

@Keaanu Well, he's gone in the manga(which is still going)

Keaanu

It's cool to watch 15 seasons of something partitioned like The Simpsons, where ordering doesn't matter and the episodes don't affect each other

But a 15-season-long single story is just exhausting

@Mana How many episodes ahead of the anime is the manga?

M'vy

Well time to go home. before rain starts again

Powerlord

15:40

@Mvy Here comes the rain again. Falling on my head like a memory.

Mana

@Keaanu difficult to say.

Keaanu

There are at least a dozen episodes out for the new season, but I'm just going to assume it ended ~310. I'm done.

Mana

heh

good plan.

Keaanu

Reddit's anime recommendations: redditanime.wikia.com/wiki/…

I'm told 5 Centimeters Per Second is the saddest fictional creation of mankind.

Mana

It is pretty sad.

But not in the way that those things are usually sad.

Wipqozn

15:53

@Keaanu It should have ended with Aizen. I read the manga (which is quite far head of the anime), and it really has been terrible for years. Only reason I keep reading it is because I've been reading it for years, and it takes all of 1 minute to read through it, so why not?

It started off good enough... but it just keeps going on, and on and on...

Keaanu

@Wipqozn That's what I was afraid of.

Wipqozn

@Keaanu If you were just watching the anime, when you started the current (manga) arc you would think it was filler.

@Keaanu Nice list.

Lazers

1

Q: How do I save my Xbox Live Profile to a USB drive?

I want to take my profile and save it to a removable USB drive. How do I do this?

xbox-360 peripherals xbox-live-profile

Wipqozn

Love Mushi-Shi. This list reminds me of a few animes I've been meaning to watch (ergo proxy being a prime example)

Keaanu

@Wipqozn I flitted through some of the new episodes, something about a green-haired chick and some stuff, I dunno. I'd prefer to pretend the new season doesn't exist.

Wipqozn

15:57

@Keaanu Good idea.

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