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@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hello there.
What's this, then.
Ah yes, I have seen that before.
 
it's an app that checks Google Play to see if the devices are available
 
You really want it, don't you?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hey, I have an Englush queshun.
 
@Cerberus I do. going back to the Nexus S is increasingly unbearable.
 
This is from the abstract of a friend's thesis.
How do you feel about "first" there?
I also think something needs to be changed about "constructed" and "cumulative".
 
4:39 AM
@Cerberus I often write sentences like that. Then usually edit them so that there's no "first" because the second question doesn't usually start with "Second,"
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I was considering that...but it is quite a formal abstract, and he does have a "secondly".
But somehow this "first [comma]" looks a bit...I don't know.
 
Overall I don't like the "First... concept of witchcraft" bit. From first to witchcraft it seems a bit awkward. has he already established that there is a suprisingly-designed cumulative concept that was concstructed?
 
Not in those words. I will change that bit too.
But I will need to think about what he means exactly.
My first concern is his "first".
 
Well. In terms of formal, academic writing, I think it is acceptable but I'm not really sure. I don't do much of that kind of writing.
 
I sort of do, and in other contexts "first" would be fine, but somehow I don't like it here. You share my feeling?
 
4:43 AM
I think it's okay to use some kind of punctuation to separate the word "first" from the actual question that is being relayed.
 
He had a colon.
I changed that.
 
@Cerberus i'm not sure how strongly I share your feeling.
 
I'm not sure how strongly I feel it either!
But I am glad you share my...uncertainty.
 
> ... two questions will be addressed. First, who was the man in the iron mask? Second, why didn't he just take the mask off?
 
Hello.
 
4:45 AM
I guess it seems natural to me.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 This sounds better.
@Mahnax Hi!
 
But the longer the question is after the "first" or "second", the harder it is to read and the more awkward it all becomes.
 
@Cerberus How are you?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Perhaps it has something to do with the length of the sentence?
 
4:45 AM
Haha.
It is odd how our vague intuitions coincide somehow.
What do you think, Mr English Expert no. 3?
I will have to ask a moderator to delete that later.
My first thought was "the first question is, who or what...?".
Or perhaps "the first is, who or what...?".
But he really really needs brevity: he has only 300 words, and they demand four (!) sections!
 
Odd.
 
I know.
 
First feels wrong there, but it isn't.
 
Objective; Methods; Results; Conclusions.
 
Oh, I think I know why it feels wrong.
 
4:48 AM
@Mahnax Isn't it? If all three of us feel it in some way...
Oh?
 
Well, if you pretend the last part of the sentence (i.e. the part after the last comma) isn't there, it sounds right to me.
But with the last part, it feels off.
 
Because it's shorter that way?
 
I think it has to do with the comma. The sentence could be long and still fine, but the comma throws it off.
 
Hmm interesting.
So can you think of any other solution than "the first question is, who or what...?"?
It's still not...elegant.
Sometimes academic prose just needs to be ugly and unwieldy.
 
Does the last comma need to be there?
 
4:52 AM
Sometimes there is no other way of saying what you want to say.
@Mahnax Not strictly speaking...but the question itself becomes over long without the comma, I'd say. I would be out of breath.
 
@Cerberus I feel like the sentence itself sounds off, regardless of the "first". I'd drop the comma.
Read it out loud to yourself, sans "first".
 
Okay, I think I'm going to cut up the entire sentence and mix it up.
 
It's kind of a yucky sentence, I'm sad to say.
 
It certainly is.
I have a better plan, let me see...
 
> +20 Serial downvoting reversed
Crazy people.
 
5:02 AM
What do you think?
 
Much better.
 
Thanks.
I think I had to use a few more words than my friend did.
Could you nibble any off?
 
You could say "From the 15th to the 17th century" if you wanted to.
 
Hmm yes, why not! Simpler is better.
Or:
 
Up to you.
 
5:06 AM
No preference?
 
I like from more, but that's just me.
Ask @tchrist if you want more input, heh.
 
OK.
Thanks! At least this sentence will be a gem.
@waiwai933 Thank you Mr Moderator!!
 
 
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8:16 AM
@Cerberus "Simplicity, the art of maximizing the amount of work not done."
 
is a Japanese word meaning "futility; uselessness; idleness; superfluity; waste; wastage; wastefulness", and is a key concept in the Toyota Production System (TPS) as one of the three types of waste (muda, mura, muri). Waste reduction is an effective way to increase profitability. Toyota merely picked up these three words beginning with the prefix mu-, which in Japan are widely recognized as a reference to a product improvement program or campaign. A process adds value by producing goods or providing a service that a customer will pay for. A process consumes resources and waste occurs wh...
 
Very commonly used in LEAN^
 
Yes.
 
I have seen a lot of LEAN stuff over the years, I'm yet to see someone in a manager position to identify meetings as potential muda
Not saying that lean is all bad, it is a buzzword, no more no less
 
9:02 AM
What is Thursagen's secret hat for?
 
I think tchrist might be the leading hat expert
 
True. @tchrist
 
9:52 AM
@MετάEd I think "Thursagen's secret" sounds like a lovely name for a hat. But maybe it should be preceded by "the".
 
10:09 AM
Kind of like Victoria, in a way.
 
 
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11:18 AM
@MετάEd Ah, I have forgotten all about him.
 
1:35 PM
Slap a K onto the end and you get the Russian word for moron.
 
2:31 PM
@MετάEd Necromancer.
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Q: For/At ...... Off/Less

Nortonn SSuppose a book, originally $50, is now on sale for $45. Then someone bought the book: He bought the book for 10% off. He bought the book at 10% off. He bought the book for 10% less. He bought the book at 10% less. He bought the book for 5 dollars off. He bought the book at 5 doll...

That can be deleted now; it has no undeleted answers.
Two weeks ago today I had a fever of 101.5 from a stomach virus; today I have a fever of 101.5 from what I am really thinking must be strep. Those should be unrelated, but I wonder.
Barry has a pirate hat.
 
2:51 PM
Kris is on a reopen streak.
 
@tchrist The bar is low, then. The answer did not have to be given during the hat race, and if the answer already had four votes then just one vote was enough to earn the hat. That's weak.
 
Oh? Then I might give it a shot.
 
I suppose I just need one vote here:
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A: What phrase is "o'clock" contracting?

MετάEdYes, o’clock is a contraction of the phrase “of the clock”.¹ See the footnote for more detail on its etymology.

Although that question already earned a Necromancer badge, so I'm not certain. It may be you only get the hat with the badge.
 
Um, that's the whole point of the hat.
How could you earn a hat for getting Necromancer without getting Necromancer?
 
@RegDwighт That isn't obvious. Many of the hats have similar, but not identical, requirements to existing badges. Clearly, some hats are based not on earning the similar badge but instead are based on the same (or close) accomplishment.
 
3:04 PM
Yes but then it just says so.
"This hat is for acomplishing X" vs. "This hat is for getting the badge Y".
 
This hat's description is very cryptic. It doesn't say either one.
 
Quick and (hopefully) easy question: does "one of our friendly Acme Buildings associates" need a possessive apostrophe on Buildings? A friend of mine who writes for a living says it does, but it doesn't look right to me.
 
@MετάEd it says, and I quote, "earn the necromancer badge".
That is all it says, too. No room for misinterpretation.
 
I wouldn't put one on "an Acme Buildings associate", and this phrasing sounds like the same usage
 
One is adjectival, the other possessive.
 
3:07 PM
On my screen it just says "Bushido - necromancer badge". Which might have been short for "this hat is for getting the Necromancer badge", or it might have been short for "this hat has the same requirements as getting the Necromancer badge".
 
squints They look about the same from this angle
 
@RegDwighт How am I expected to know about that link? It seems to be an orphan. The popup doesn't link to it.
I suppose I only get that link if I get the badge myself ... until then you can just hold the secret knowledge over my head.
:-P
 
There are several secret hats that aren't linked until you win them
 
@mmyers exactly. Which is why people say Burger King's customer service, and at the same time McDonald's customer service. Even though these are two different constructions, and if you wanted to be consistent you'd really have to say McDonald's's customer service.
 
3:09 PM
@mmvers Correct. My point is just that I can't be expected to know the text at that link, since it isn't linked from anywhere I can get to.
The only public text is more cryptic.
In short, my answer to @RegDwighт's "well, duh" is "well, duh".
 
@MετάEd the link is always winterba.sh/name-of-hat. It's even documented on MSO.
You don't have to have the hat.
 
@RegDwighт That's the hat I want. winterba.sh/name-of-hat.
 
@RegDwighт OK, but "one of our friendly Acme Buildings associates" already used "our" in the same phrase. Is a second possessive really needed?
 
It's completely orthogonal.
One of our neighbors' cars.
One of our neighbor cars.
 
Acme Buildings is (supposedly) the entity speaking. It's more like "One of my patented Michael Myers's facepalms"
 
3:14 PM
Our says they are neighbors of ours. The apostrophe says they are cars of these people. Apple and oranges, so to speak.
@mmyers hold on, that's a different construction still.
Because my and Michael Myers refer to the same person.
 
It looks like just one vote would get me a Bushido hat:
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A: Is there an English phrase for an inability to actually *leave* already?

MετάEdIn social work, doorknobbing is the word sometimes used to describe the phenomenon of delaying the important personal revelations until the end of the therapy session when goodbyes are being said. This option has the advantage of actually being in circulation. It also has the disadvantage that i...

 
Is ACME Buildings the company of the person speaking?
 
@MετάEd That is so not as good as conversational dieseling.
 
@mmyers Oh I see.
Sorry I'm slow.
Okay.
 
Right, that's what I've been trying to communicate. A better clip is: "At Acme Buildings, we do blah blah blah. For more information, contact one of our friendly Acme Buildings associates."
It's advertising text
 
3:16 PM
@Robusto What, you upvote only one answer? I generally upvote multiple answers, if they're good.
 
@tchrist Maybe you're just channeling an FM station.
@MετάEd Fucking with you.
 
@Robusto Dammit. What's wrong with this troll meter.
 
I just upvoted your sorry ass.
Happy Bushido hat. Wear it in good health.
 
@MετάEd I'm guessing that the answer which earns the hat has to be posted during the winter bash. Don't know for sure, but wouldn't be surprised
 
@mmyers That can't be. The question came up in my mind because Thursagen has one hat, and that's it. He's suspended.
 
3:18 PM
That's precisely what we're trying to figure out.
 
And has been for the entire winter bash.
 
@mmyers yeah then you're right.
 
@MετάEd That would seem to indicate the reverse, yes
 
@MετάEd Is it a dunce cap, perchance?
 
@RegDwighт \o/
 
3:19 PM
Okay, I did just earn the badge, thank you @Robusto.
 
@RegDwighт I really come here for validation, you know. If you'd said otherwise, I would have gone for a third opinion
 
Hahaha.
 
@MετάEd Don't say I never give ya nothin'.
@mmyers We don't validate. You have to pay for your own parking.
 
Uh... I was just leaving, really
 
So you keep asking around until you find someone who agrees with you. You should really be hanging out on Reddit.
 
3:20 PM
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Q: How many adjectives can be chained without sounding weird?

rraallvvIn spoken and written language, in colloquial and formal context. Is there a general rule to use in sentences like the following: "How many broken yellow color toys?" "All those old yellowish lost scholar books"

Oh, fer fuck's sake. This has gotta be OT or NARQ. And the best evidence for this is that Barrie has answered already.
 
DAE not put the apostrophe here?
 
@Robusto post "seven" as an answer and I will upvote you.
 
@RegDwighт Done.
Barrie just got the check mark.
And an up vote. I may delete my account out of protest.
 
@RegDwighт Oh, shining baby in a manger fucking anointed one.
 
@Robusto which is doubly unfair because you just can't chain "as many as you like" without chaining seven.
 
3:23 PM
I couldn't help myself. I upvoted that catastrophe.
I feel so cheap and dirty.
 
@RegDwighт Word.
@MετάEd After all I've done for you.
 
@Robusto Yes, but at least have the courtesy to feel cheap and dirty about it.
 
You know it's true, everything I do, I do cheap and dirty.
 
@MετάEd Your unease at your own low standards is of no concern to me.
 
And ... I have a new hat.
 
3:24 PM
Well.
Now I wish I had any answers at 4.
 
@RegDwighт Cheap, dirty, wrong — pick two. You can't have all three. Wait ... you can.
 
For just three dollars extra.
 
@RegDwighт Do you have any at 3?
Work your numbers, man. It's for hats.
 
@MετάEd posted six months after the fact? Doubt it.
 
@BillFranke: Certainly you recognize Proust when you hear it, don't you? — Robusto 1 min ago
 
3:27 PM
That's the problem with always FGITW-ing: I never get any Necromancer badges
 
OK, what cheap, quick, dirty hats can I earn without any real effort?
 
I do have three. But all three of them I specifically aimed for.
 
@Robusto /review is pretty quick
 
As in, I knew the answer from the start and then waited for six months.
 
assuming there's anything in the queues
 
3:28 PM
He's got that one already.
 
@mmyers Which hat is that? I may already have it.
Jinx.
 
And no, there's never anything in the queues here.
@Robusto Watson.
 
@RegDwighт I got one from Jon Skeet Facts, a week after it was migrated to Meta
 
Yeah, migration or merge. These are my options.
The rest is off the table.
 
Haha, my seven answer is pwning Barrie. Thank you, @RegDwighт, for that Weihnachtsgeschenk.
Now Barrie is coming back as people with no sense of humor are being polled.
 
3:32 PM
It's always April 1st on the northpole.
 
@RegDwighт Have you tried answering a random question?
 
All my answers are on random questions.
 
All the questions are random.
Jinx.
 
We only get random questions.
Jinx!
Metajinx!
 
Pre-jinx and post-jinx!
 
3:33 PM
Instead-jinx!
 
Exacta jinx!
Trifecta jinx!
 
Jinx to the eleven!
 
Jinxfinity.
 
Google Image Search for "eleven coke".
 
3:35 PM
Aww, now some sad, humorless asshat is downvoting my canonical seven adjectives answer.
 
One more upvote here for a pirate hat:
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A: How many adjectives can be chained without sounding weird?

RobustoThe answer is seven. Seven adjectives.

Well, unless he already got it elsewhere.
Nebbermind.
 
Yes, me gottum pirate hat!
 
Is this guy delirious, or is it just me?
0
A: "This wine is drinking nicely" : does anything else drink nicely?

Russell McMahonLate at night (actually wee small hours). End of year. 2012's humour, or cynicism, allotments not yet quite expended. So ... The art of wine appreciation tends to be uncomfortably close to the realms of the advanced applications of oxygen free copper cables in audiophile applications, the mysti...

 
I dunno, I'm mean drunk, myself.
 
I'm only mean.
Now who's drunk is Kris.
 
3:42 PM
Semper.
Never makes great sense, often makes none.
 
@tchrist But always mean about it, whatever it is.
 
To the lees.
I have never heard this particular phrasing before. To my ears, sounds like an Indianism ('convert present simple to present continuous': "The wine is drinking nicely" < "The wine drinks nicely") of a strange personification/inversion/something "The wine drinks well" < "I drank this wine and it was good" < "The wine tastes good". Whatever the provenance, it sounds really 'wrong' in AmE; if it i used commonly by a particularly subculture (wine-tasting) it would sound very pretentious in any variation outside of that subculture. I recommend never using it. — Mitch 43 mins ago
 
Why the fuck am I at work? I could be home playing Far Cry 3.
 
That’s so much bullshit. I wish he would read more.
 
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Q: "The ticket is printing" vs "...is being printed"

AlexYou're standing in front of a ticket vending machine and it says "The ticket is printing". Is that correct or should it be "The ticket is being printed"? EDIT: If both are correct, which one should be preferred or is more common?

 
3:47 PM
I am supposed to be at work, but they have a ban on febrile employees on-site.
 
That's the original quesiton with Kosmonaut's canonical answer.
 
Wish I could get a time-sorted list of hats acquired.
 
@tchrist They also have a ban on sexual harassment, no doubt, but I doubt people honor that one to the letter.
 
He downvoted and flagged my answer because it only says why a question is not closed as GR, but does not provide advice beyond that (whatever that means). The problem is, his entire question was "Why is this question closed as GR?"
Earlier today he voted to reopen two, um, subpar questions.
I wonder what's going on.
 
Flagged?
He flagged you?
 
3:50 PM
Yes, flagged.
 
The fuck?
 
Flagged and downvoted.
 
As in what.
 
So I can't help but wonder if his account has been hacked by Hanu or something.
 
@RegDwighт I saw that.
Maybe just in a manic phase.
 
3:51 PM
To paraphrase Henry II, "Will no one rid me of this turbulent Kris?"
 
@tchrist so what do you think?
 
And now the Community user is messing with me as well.
 
@Reg I’m reversing this:
 
It signs with my name.
 
0
A: Word for "knowing the feeling from X situation"?

josephsssssSo simple. I tell my friends, be it guys or girls, "I feel you, bro."

I couldn’t figure that one out. Check the timeline?
@RegDwighт Check what Kris did to the typography.
 
3:55 PM
Yeah.
OVER 1 Lawler.
Only Lawler himself is allowed to go that high.
 
Quote. Italic. Bold.
Rescinded.
Petulance:
I'm asking you for the answer ??? — Lea-Anne Hewer 29 mins ago
 
@Robusto It can be so hard.
 
I don't know, Lea-Anne, are you???
Oh no, not that question again.
FFS.
A dupe of a dupe of a dupe.
 
@Cerberus Yes. That is the hard part of sexual harassment: resisting the temptation.
 
nods
So annoying when people refuse to coöperate.
A simple request.
 
3:59 PM
Hey, speaking of the Lawler measurement, how come there is no Unicode character for that? Has @tchrist been slacking due to his purported febrility?
 
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