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> B. sb. A two-year-old cow, ox, horse, or sheep.
> b. transf. Applied to pasture for, or the right to pasture, a two-year-old sheep, in a common or jointly-held field.
 
This word is only useful in Wales, Scotland and New Zealand. Also South Dakota.
 
I guess it works fairly well with animals, since they tend to be born in spring
 
> * 1844 Stephens Bk. Farm II. 38 ― After a ewe has been shorn three times she is called a twinter ewe, that is, a two-winter ewe.
> 1892 Award cited in High Crt. of Justice (1892), Chanc. Div. (Coulston v., Harvey), ― The Plaintiffs are entitled to 11 gaits 2 twinters and 2 claws or··22 a. 1 r. 35 p. And the Defendants to 2 gaits and 1 claw or··3 a. 2 r. 5 p.
> C. 1000 Ælfric Voc. in Wr.-Wülcker 117/20 ― Trimus, uel triennis, uel trimulus, ðri-winter.
For uel, read vel if that helps.
1890 Cornh. Mag. Oct. 382 ― One of our thrunters, or three-winter-old ewes.
A. 1898 J. Shaw in R. Wallace Country Schoolmaster (1899) 339 ― ‘Twinters’ and ‘th[r]inters’, sic like names for sheep.
Interesting that we have twain but not *thrain.
 
I blame Shakespeare. If only he would have coined more useful words.
 
Well, or recorded.
@Robusto Just because we cannot antedate him doesn’t mean he neologued all of those himself. They may simply have been in the zeitgeist, for otherwise the audience would not have understood him.
 
6:05 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Damn, I now feel I should have waited!
2100mAh is great, wireless charging is great.
Non-removable battery door sucks, though.
 
@Cerberus HDMI out is great
 
Meh.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I do not think that is why. I think that the boundaries on days and years were once otherwise.
 
What would you use that for? Just to show pictures on a television?
 
@tchrist That too
 
6:06 PM
And can't you just use some kind of plug?
 
@Cerberus well, pictures, youtube videos,
@Cerberus I dunno.
maybe
 
I can do all that on my computer, and I don't have a television set.
 
might only work with certain TVs
@Cerberus wonderful! But my computer screen is much smaller than my TV, and isn't as comfortable for when more than two people want to watch
I don't often use the HDMI outputs on my camera and tablet, but when I want them, they're there, and it's handy
 
I would like a larger screen, but then it would be uncomfortable for using it with my PC—so I would need two screens.
 
Doesn't solve the "sit on the couch" factor
 
6:08 PM
I watch films from the couch.
24" from 2.5 m is OK.
I will buy a projector someday.
But having to fiddle with an extra device and cables, I don't know. Sure, in your scenario it could be useful.
Not for me.
And don't new televisions have some sort of Wifi-streaming function, like Wifi Direct?
Do you happen to know whether the Nexus 4 (why 4 anyway? 4.7"?) has a Tegra-3 GPU?
Then you could play some more games.
 
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Q: Word to specify object of sentance?

Arlen BeilerIs there a word in the English Language to specify the object of a sentence? Like [subject] [predicate] ... namely [object]. Is "namely" the right word? It doesn't quite hit the mark.

I don't understand. Anyone?
 
@Cerberus Moroccan? Really? What is the historical reason for that (I would think they would rather go to Spain or France.) Not indonesians? (I know immigrants are not necessarily in the underclass, but that is often the case).
@RegDwighт Is this a trick question? It is not 'object'?
 
That's what I'm wondering.
 
no, it's namely?
 
@Cerberus The Nexus page says "Qualcomm Snapdragon(TM) S4 Pro".
@Cerberus My TV doesn't have that. I wouldn't say that most new TVs have that.
 
6:17 PM
The question sure sounds to me like "Is there a word in English that means exactly 'Schwarzenegger' and nothing else? I considered 'Dudikoff', but that doesn't quite hit the mark."
 
@Cerberus It's Nexus 4 because it's the 4th Nexus phone.
 
@Mitch Indonesiërs and Surinamers are somehow better off than Moroccans, most of the time. Moroccans and Turks were brought in for cheap labour fairly recently, in the 60s/70s. And they came from the most rural, mountainous areas in either country.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hmm would games that require a Tegra-3 GPU work on that?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hmm but they will, in the near future...
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Ah, have there been 4 already?
 
@Cerberus depends on whether the game requires the Tegra or just "as fast as tegra"
 
The Nexus One, and...?
 
@Cerberus That doesn't help with the installed-base of TVs, which get upgraded rather infrequently
@Cerberus Nexus One, Nexus S, Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 4
 
6:22 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I don't know how those limitations work in the Play store. But are you saying that this Snapdragon S4 is as fast as a Tegra 3?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Ah, I don't remember ever seeing the first two live.
 
@Cerberus I don't know if it's as fast. Probably it's close anyway.
@Cerberus ...? I've talked about the Nexus S endlessly!
The Nexus One was pretty rare though
 
Somehow I can't feel very enthusiastic about any new phones that come out this year.
 
@Cerberus The product is maturing
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Was that your previous phone? I forgot what it was called, except that it was a Nexus. I'm not good at remembering arbitrary bits and pieces...
 
@Cerberus are you serious
 
6:24 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hmm...but you said the opposite, not long ago.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 S is just a random letter.
 
@Cerberus It depends on what you're looking at and how you're measuring maturity, etc.
 
I thought there was a Galaxy S.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Right. For me, it means "what would I want my phone to do that it can't?".
 
@Cerberus Yeah, totally random, like Galaxy S, Galaxy SII, Galaxy S III, Galaxy S Advance, Galaxy S II X, Galaxy S III mini...
 
Wireless charging and a larger battery would be nice.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 See? All those have Galaxy, not Nexus.
 
@Cerberus There are things you don't even know you want your phone to do, and won't know until someone makes it possible
@Cerberus ... Nexus S, Galaxy Nexus
 
6:26 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 No doubt. But when they are not appearing?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Doesn't make much sense to me!
Phone names are stupid anyway.
The first thing they should do is remove the random letters and numbers.
 
@Cerberus The Galaxy S family and the two Samsung Nexii are all one big phone family. Hence the S and Galaxy commonalities.
 
The older HTC names were somewhat better, like "HTC Desire". That's easy to remember.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 ! How dare you!
 
@Cerberus It's useless though. What's better? HTC Desire, Passion, Dream, or Incredible?
Incredible 2 or Incredible HD?
 
Those are stupid, yes.
 
Now HTC's phones are all "One"
One X, One S, One V
 
6:29 PM
The parts of the name of a phone should either be a real word or meaningful.
 
Oh, they also have Desire S, Desire C, Desire V
 
X, S, and V are neither.
Desire is at least a word.
 
So is "Nexus" and "Galaxy"
 
"Samsung Galaxy III", wouldn't that be easier to remember?
Galaxy Nexus is OK.
Nexus 4 is OK too.
Google gets it at last.
Software start-ups are stupid too, by the way.
They always use some atrocious letter/wordplay.
Which is 0 funny and 0 easy to remember.
Like like...
Now I can't think of any.
But they're there!
> het scherm heeft een resolutie van 1280x768 pixels.
Why this odd resolution?
For the soft keys?
Won't they disappear any more in Youtube?
 
That is a pretty typical resolution.
I am running at 1920x1600, which is at an aspect ratio of 1.66x and so very close to 1280x768’s 1.6x aspect ratio.
When would you expect a midsummer night’s dream? :)
 
6:36 PM
@Cerberus That is easy to remember, except that Samsung has a million phones each year and they're ALL Galaxy, and so they dilute the brand by also having Galaxy W, Galaxy Q, Galaxy Ace, Galaxy Ace Duo, Galaxy Ace 2, Galaxy S Advance, Galaxy Ace Q.... it's impossible to keep track of
I think they should just use years or sequence numbers for a couple brands
but then I also think they should restrict the number of different phones they sell
 
@tchrist Most videos are either 720p or 1080p these days...
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Why?
The more, the merrier!
 
@Cerberus Because the market is too confusing and the variants are too similar. If they had fewer phones, they could more properly support them later.
quality, vs quantity.
 
Support them?
As in software updates?
I don't think people with budget phones will care too much about updates.
By the way, I have a question.
 
@Cerberus They still deserve updates.
 
If you just want to install stock Android on some new phone, do you need to tweak it a lot to work with the phone? Or does it work the other way around, that they manufacture the phones with special hardware configurations for Android? Or is Android more like Windows, in that it will normally run on any machine with a basic x86 chip thingy?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I even downgraded my old HTC, because Windows Mobile 6.0 had better GPS than 6.1.
 
6:48 PM
@Cerberus Android is a lot like windows. It will run on any system that it supports. (Technically, Android is Linux). But: most phones are so custom, and the ARM family of processors has historically made interoperability difficult, so you at least need phone-specific drivers, and sometimes a phone-specific kernel
 
Hmm.
Why don't they just use the same series of CPUs in all budget phones (but at different speeds), and have Google implement support out of the box for those CPUs in Android?
Isn't it rather that they want to use their custom shells for advertisements / brand awareness?
 
@Cerberus They use the same CPUs, but the CPU isn't the problem. It's everything else.
So I got the HTC One X from Amazon today
 
Nice!
 
It must be from south asia
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 What, then? The mobo?
 
6:51 PM
It has an AC plug I don't recognize
 
Weird.
 
And it only offers me "English (Indonesia)", "English (Malaysia)", "English (Pakistan)", "English (Philippines)", "English (Singapore)", "English (Thailand)", and "English (Vietnam)" as english locales
@Cerberus yes, all the other crap in there. graphics chip, memory controller, io buses, cameras, networking gear, cell radio, etc, etc,
 
Well, those are the prestigious dialects, after all.
 
So now I know: I am never buying a personal phone from out of country
So much for your theory
;)
 
Oh, just download Canadian English!
It's not that hard.
 
6:55 PM
really? where do I get that?
sigh so in order to update the phone to the latest version of its software, I have to update to each version that was released, in sequence. I hope there aren't many of these!
 
Ouch.
> Nexus 4: 8GB for $299; 16GB for $349; available unlocked and without a contract on 11/13 on the Google Play store in U.S., U.K., Australia, France, Germany, Spain and Canada.
This sounds like the death knell for the Iphone.
 
You get a phone that is in nearly all respects better for less than half the price.
 
the iPhone won't have a death knell for a while yet
it's the single most popular phone
by far
 
Oh, but it's ringing, I can hear it loud and clear.
 
6:59 PM
Google has tons of brand-building to do if it wants to squash the iphone
 
The executioners are just a bit slow.
 
So the GN's screen makes the One X's look amateur
The One X is thinner though
and it has capacitive buttons, which I like
... except... what do they do when there is no menu in an app? hmmm
 
Storm as seen from the space.Take a look telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9640080/…
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Really?
@IceBox Oops!
Looks like the Americans haven't prayed hard enough...
I hope it will miss the big cities, at least.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Have you seen the mean Samsung S2 commercials mocking the Fapples waiting in line?
Really bitchy, but funny.
The one for the S3 is even funnier.
 
@Cerberus Do you think this is the start of the end of world as suggested by the Maya calendar,December 2012 will be the end of the world.
 
7:13 PM
@IceBox It has to be. What else could it be?
By the way, I didn't know it had moved up to December.
 
okay weird, when I'm in the browser on the HTC, I can't swipe down the notification area
 
@Cerberus We should start making a big ship then as in the movie "2012".
 
@Cerberus you mean "Galaxy S III"
 
@Cerberus Old Reckoning.
   September 1752
Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
       1  2 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30
 
And Yes, I see them on Youtube
 
7:15 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Huh...weird indeed.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 No, no, S2.
 
@Cerberus then, no. I've only seen GS3 commercials
They're playing on Youtube all the time now
 
@IceBox Oh, I haven't seen it. Can't we collect all the wood splinters of Noah's Ark scattered around the world in reliquaries? We could build a few towers of Bable from that wood, and more. Then we'd be dry.
@tchrist Ehm what's this about?
 
Trying to fix the calendar to make the mything days work out. :)
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 These are funny, especially the S3 one. Hilarious, when you see who the guy in line is saving a spot for.
@tchrist Mything?
 
@Cerberus Good idea.
 
7:24 PM
I went outside this afternoon. Behind the trees, extending from the horizon to just above the treetops, was a blue wall. I've seen it once or twice before. I'm not sure what the dimensions were, but I figured it was at least 200-300 feet tall. I'm not sure if this was a man-made structure or a natural phenomenon. Can anyone here shed some light on my experience?
 
@Cerberus You prefer urbanlegended?
 
@Zairja Where?
 
@Zairja Surely it was not blue, but azure, cerulean, cobalt, or indigo?
 
@tchrist Those colors were probably present. I had limited vision. There may have been a pervasive pinkish hue, as well, but I can't describe it.
 
@Zairja Clouds?
Did it happen to be be twirling, like a hurricane?
 
7:28 PM
@IceBox I viewed from the log I live in that fell across the stream.
 
Could you make out a label saying "Sandy", perhaps?
 
@Cerberus No. I just looked up "clouds" and they're whitish, grey or black. This was blue.
 
They have blue clouds these days.
 
I'll be right back. My hands are geese.
 
Next time, take a picture.
 
7:30 PM
@Zairja I had taken you for female, but daltonism is much more common in males.
 
Take a picture of your geese too.
 
@Zairja Are you referring to the "sky"?
 
> Dat heeft er ook mee te maken dat ze daar geen 3,5g, oftewel HSDPA(+) achtige snelheden hebben zoals wij hier in west-europa, dus daar is de nood voor bandbreedte wat hoger als de landen die met GSM werken. De paar GSM netwerken die er daar zijn, en in theorie hiervoor zouden kunnen zorgen, zijn nou de net de kleinste, met de minste dekking.
Is it true that they don't have 3.5 G in America??
Are those the CDMA networks?
Do their GSM networks have 3.5 G?
Because then I might understand why 4G is so hyped up there.
 
what's "3.5g"
 
HSDPA(+)
 
7:34 PM
we have HSDPA+
 
Oftewel = "or", "in other words".
On CDMA?
 
er... I'm not sure? I think they're orthogonal
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yes, WOW. @tchrist Oh I'm not color blind, just not used to seeing. This is great stuff! Thanks.
 
@Zairja Something you need to tell us?
 
@Zairja Not used to seeing?
Are you hearing us?
Feeling us?
Review of the Nexus 4.
 
7:37 PM
@Zairja What’s your NWZ parameter?
 
> [In Android 4.2,] Google has added widget functionality to the lock screen, meaning you can quickly glance at information without having to get into the phone.
 
@tchrist VVR7296 Full check and up to spec. This is fun.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I was just going to read that...
 
@Cerberus yeah it's interesting. essentially, the LTE networks are primarily CDMA networks, in the US. And thus you can't sell unlocked phones for them.
 
7:47 PM
@Zairja So what is this about seeing? And are you really 92?
 
The wireless charging thing is neat. If only it also activated wireless USB. But at least it will be easier to charge my phone at night, when my wife is already sleeping, and I can't find the USB cable in the dark.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Notice how you are already saying "my".
 
@Cerberus well, when I get a phone with wireless charging, it will be my phone
 
And you can use Tasker to initiate a Wifi or Bluetooth connection while charging, in some way, probably?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yeah, yeah. Just listen to yourself!
 
@Cerberus could be
@Cerberus Hey, for $359, I'd be almost crazy NOT to get it
 
7:52 PM
...except that you have just got a new phone, and you were saying you were happy with it...
 
I want to see one in a store first though
 
Why?
 
@Cerberus I just got an OLD phone
@Cerberus In case I don't like how it's made
I'm very jaded about android phone construction lately
 
I couldn't care less, as long it isn't insanely hideous or shatters to pieces the moment I touch it.
> We've added this new feature called "gesture type". Let me show you. — So this is like Swype, right? — Whether it's like Swype or not is...is...less interesting, because <irrelevant bit>."
Hilarious.
Hmm they do have one nice feature, which shows you the recognised word while you're still swyping. I think the new Swiftkey "flowing" will have that too.
These names are so fucking funny.
Stupid patent + trademark system.
We have Swype, Slide It, Swiftkey Flow, and Android Gesture Typing.
Just call it swiping, Jessis.
 
8:13 PM
@tchrist There's a cream you can get for that.
 
You've come at just the right time.
The new Google phone has been launched.
 
Out of a trebuchet?
 
Yes. Has it landed near you yet?
> [From an explanation by someone from Google about their new functions:] Google needs to combine public facts about the world with your personal information. Of course Google will know when your wife is going to be home and where she is.
Sounds grrreat, not scary at all.
(From the video.)
Google knows where my wife is??
All their examples of what their functions can do is always about either pop culture or shopping.
I won't use that stuff, thank you.
 
8:34 PM
Well, if Google knows where my wife is, please can they tell me? Also, if they were at the wedding, I'd like photos, as I don't remember it
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I'm sure they have photos.
They know everything about you.
Don't you see the telescreen in the ceiling?
(I believe they were called telescreens?)
 
telescreens... I think they've done hypnosis on me... I only see the ceiling
 
1984.
Can they hypnotise people?
 
oh, no, not in 1984 from what I remember
It's not like my big hardback of Animal Farm, so I can't see it easily
 
Nice.
 
8:49 PM
I found A Clockwork Orange...
I know I've read it, but I cannot find it. how disappointing
 
I've only seen the film, for once.
 
better than the alternative, I suppose
@Cerberus 0_0
I'm not sure I've seen the film
In fact I'm fairly sure I haven't
 
En vérité, I was not that impressed by it.
 
oh well
we'll just have to put your head in a cage full of rats until you change your mind
 
Did they use rats?
I remember their using Beethoven's—which was it, his 9th symphony?
 
8:58 PM
from what I recall
@Cerberus I can't remember the song. It gets a bit jumbled up with A Clockwork Orange at that point
 
Right.
> The highlight is support for Miracast, an industry-standard Wi-Fi display sharing protocol that allows new devices like the Nexus 4 to stream audio and video to TVs. (Think AirPlay with broad industry support.) Miracast boxes for existing TVs are expected to go on sale from a variety of companies soon, and Google expects them to cost well under $99.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 There's your wireless display sharing for existing televisions...
> [In 4.2,] you can swipe directly into the camera, which is a huge improvement.
WTF
You can already do that.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 This seems to be the heart of the matter:
> there's essentially no such thing as an unlocked CDMA device
That may be why their market is so screwed up.
 
9:28 PM
 
Haha great!
I bet they put some nuts inside.
 
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Q: "-ic versus -ical" what's the difference in meaning between adjectives ending in -ic or -ical?

user Possible Duplicate: Why is it “geometric” but “theoretical”? “Ironic” vs. “ironical” “Comic” vs. “comical” “Historic” vs. “historical” What's the difference for instance between ironic/ironical, rhythmic/rhythmical, historic/historical, comic/comical, economic/economical? If thes...

What the hell is going on?
We've got people commenting,
Thanks for asking - always wondered. — JAM 1 hour ago
And we've got John Lawler answering,
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A: "-ic versus -ical" what's the difference in meaning between adjectives ending in -ic or -ical?

John LawlerNo difference at all. They're the same derivational adjectivizing suffix -ic, which sometimes adds an additional adjectivizing suffix -al, just to sound more officializational. But there's no meaning difference at all. Any more than there is between soft-shell crabs and soft-shelled crabs. T...

Is everybody drunk?
 
Moi non pas.
@RegDwighт And a less-than-stellar answer at that.
I wish we could vote on closings!
 
We have a whole frigging tag for that kind of questions, with spectacular answers by Kosmo, and at least one by John Lawler himself showing how -ic is not the same as -ical.
@Cerberus that is my point. Everybody must be drunk.
 
Then why am I sober?
What is this?
Madness.
Lawler saying that they're different in another answer? Haha, how typical.
 
9:43 PM
@Cerberus the very first commenter calls him out on that without him noticing.
 
He always feels so strongly about whatever position he takes up.
@RegDwighт Oh, I hadn't seen that! Hilarious.
 
Well go read it. It's just two lines.
Merge complete.
Some more headscratching material discovered in the process:
@Martha, teach me how to ask questions! When I asked the same question in UsingEnglish.com Vocabulary - Analytic vs. Analytical my account there was banned — Gennady Vanin--Геннадий Ванин Feb 13 '11 at 5:07
That survived for almost two years without getting flagged as noise.
AFK
 
10:01 PM
Haha.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Are you still with us? I see you're possibly in Sandy's path!
 
What the hell is google. org?
 
Oh, Google bought the entire Internet.
Haven't you heard?
Israel is completely lost.
Netanyahu is conspiring with Lieberman, the ultra-orthodox party will gladly give them a majority.
And the latter have been breeding like rabbits, so their majority is unlikely to decrease.
 
10:48 PM
I can’t figure out how to convert this into metric:
> Edinburgh stands at 56°N, Reykjavík at 64°N. Philly at merely 40°N simply doesn’t compare.
Should that be 100 metric degrees per circle, or per hemisphere? Is it a signed or unsigned number? Maybe that is the trick.
But we really have to get rid of this old-fashioned east and west business.
That is clearly discriminatory.
 
I have no idea what all of that means, sorry.
 
I’m trying to use metric so I can be modern.
 
Then do your temperature measurements in ˚C or ˚K :-)
 
I can’t decide whether to put the equator at 0° metric latitude and the south pole at –100° metric latitude and the north pole at +100° metric latitude, or whether I should put the south pole at 0° metric latitude, the equator at 50° metric latitude, and the north poll at 100° metric latitude. Either way the north pole is 100° metric latitude, but whether we have signed or unsigned latitudes in the question.
I’m sure you can see how infinitely superior that is to the stupid old imperial 360° system.
After all, who has 360 fingers? Very stupid system, that.
 

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