English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

jlliagre

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@tchrist The mad starrer strikes again.

CowperKettle

Star flood alert

Steamed Hams But It's The Confrontation From Les Misérables

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tchrist

00:31

Now I crave steamed clams.

CowperKettle

00:41

> Scopolamine is an effective and rapid antidepressant in both unipolar and bipolar depression, working as quickly as 3 days after initial infusion.

I wonder how it works. An alkaloid of the nightshade family.

tchrist

Never trust a nightshade. :)

CowperKettle

Chinese scientists reported a negative result with scopolamine as an add-on in an attempt to speed up an onset of antidepressant action of a traditional antidepressant. This is cool, because negative results should be reported journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2045125320938556

tchrist

01:01

Yes, the lack of reporting of negative results produces dangerous biases when doing meta-studies.

Robusto

01:22

@tchrist Except nobody wants to spend the time on a study that produces negative results.

"Hey, this doesn't cure cancer! Ain't we smart!"

Laurel

'So, uh, we did the green study again and got no link. It was probably a--' 'RESEARCH CONFLICTED ON GREEN JELLY BEAN/ACNE LINK; MORE STUDY RECOMMENDED!'

I'm kinda reminded of this

alphabet

02:17

I fear this friendship is not entirely mutual.

Vikas

@Robusto I haven't heard it that much. Heard mostly with celebrity names.

@M.A.R. Yeah they are far more common.

Robusto

02:42

@jlliagre I would have called a tchristian slip.

jlliagre

03:06

> Who when hee had found one pearle of great price, he went and solde all that he had, and bought it.

Robusto

@jlliagre And so his kids went hungry.

alphabet

Another resumptive pronoun from YouTube:
> The Paradise Lost video, which when I was making that I was like "oh, this will just be a weird, nerdy video about stuff only I'm interested in," got number three on the Trending page.

Is this sentence grammatically correct? Discuss. Curiously, here the resumptive that is (a) not a personal pronoun and (b) not in a wh-island but in an adjunct island.

Robusto

03:28

@alphabet It's good enough for government work.

alphabet

@Robusto Which kind?

Robusto

@alphabet DMV kind.

I suppose if you sub "in which" for "that" it would still be in a casual register and yetrespectable enough for spoken conversation.

alphabet

@Robusto Surely "The Paradise Lost video, which when I was making in which I was like..." is worse.

Robusto

@alphabet I disagree. It's the one thing I'd change.

alphabet

@Robusto The problem is that, in the original, the word "that" is a demonstrative, referring back to the video. It's not introducing a nested relative clause.

jlliagre

03:38

Why E̱NGLISH shoul̆d start ūsing accėnt màrks

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alphabet

Note that the quote is a complete sentence whose main verb is "got"; the sentence contains a relative clause whose main verb is "was"; the relative clause has a subordinate clause "when I was making that."

> The Paradise Lost video, [which [when I was making that] I was like "oh, this will just be a weird, nerdy video about stuff only I'm interested in,"] got number three on the Trending page.

Robusto

@alphabet No. It was used in precisely the same way one would use "in which" ...

The fact is, it's misused there.

alphabet

@Robusto From context it's very obvious that the intended meaning is: "When I was making the video I was like..."

He's describing his thought process while making the video, not describing the video's contents.

Robusto

@alphabet Hmm, OK. I reread it and now I think the that should just be dropped.

alphabet

@Robusto The question is: isn't the resulting sentence also fairly awkward?

> The Paradise Lost video, which when I was making I was like "oh, this will just be a weird, nerdy video about stuff only I'm interested in," got number three on the Trending page.

The resumptive pronoun "that" gets added in in an attempt to fix this awkwardness, but speakers will have different intuitions as to whether it improves the sentence or makes it even worse.

Robusto

03:51

@alphabet Not in the current online parlance, no.

alphabet

To me both versions seem about equally good/bad.

Robusto

I wouldn't write a master's thesis using that kind of thing. But not everyone talks like a college professor online, in case you haven't noticed.

alphabet

Of course, you rarely notice these extra pronouns--at least in speech--until you deliberately start listening for them. They're less common in writing, but certainly not absent.

Robusto

That's the point. You know what they're saying, so you "forgive" the rambling, quasi-grammatical execution.

alphabet

What's interesting is that people produce these constructions fairly often even though they don't really make syntactic sense.

They're a quite unique sort of mistake related to syntactic island constraints.

Hence my cataloging them.

Robusto

04:16

@alphabet OK, I think you're underestimating the power of the listener to post-process the jumbles that come out of people's mouths.

alphabet

The challenge is explaining where (and why) speakers use these.

Linguists have spent a great deal of time studying and researching this issue. The whole thing is very complicated.

(There's a whole literature on the topic. I find it an interesting problem.)

Robusto

04:34

Yeah, but as soon as you've codified something the ship has sailed. What is interesting to me is how the brain works to interpret language with faulty construction, poor pronunciation, and all that. From my studies of other languages, it seems to me that the ability to instantly post-process that mess and produce a coherent communication is the real miracle.

Cerberus

04:45

@Robusto Thank you for listening. Yes, I also thought it must be the gooseneck pipe.

I'm glad you couldn't hear the exact word either!

Robusto

@Cerberus I thought I would just waltz in and save the day, too! Imagine my surprise ...

Cerberus

You normally would, in such a case.

And that isn't flattery.

You know I would rather eat one of my heads than flatter you.

Robusto

Hahaha.

M.A.R.

05:27

After some account issues, we've added 6 new people from the beach house rental website support forum.

Cerberus

05:55

Hah.

Dannyu NDos

06:57

Orion's Fresh Berry

CowperKettle

10:11

@DannyuNDos 50% more berries?

Dannyu NDos

50% more strawberry.

Compared to the former version of the same product.

CowperKettle

10:29

Kalinin K-7

50% more seating space inside the wings

You can see the rectangular windows in the wings, made for passengers' comfort

Kalinin K-7

The Kalinin K-7 (Russian: Калинин К-7) was a heavy experimental aircraft designed and tested in the Soviet Union in the early 1930s. It was of unusual configuration, with twin booms and large underwing pods housing fixed landing gear and machine gun turrets. In the passenger version, seats were arranged inside the 2.3-meter thick (7 ft 7 in) wings. The airframe was welded from KhMA chrome-molybdenum steel. The original design called for six engines in the wing leading edge, but when the projected loaded weight was exceeded, two more engines were added to the trailing edges of the wing, one right...

Six engines at leading edges, and two pusher engines

> Capacity: (120 passengers / 7,000 kg (15,432 lb) cargo, in civilian configuration)

CowperKettle

10:42

A volleyball team coach, 1952, USSR.

There's a monument to him in my city.

CowperKettle

11:11

The world consumes more cement per year than it did over the entire first half of the 20 century (Vaclav Smil)

Vaclav Smil

Vaclav Smil (Czech: [ˈvaːtslaf ˈsmɪl]; born December 9, 1943) is a Czech-Canadian scientist and policy analyst. He is Distinguished Professor Emeritus in the Faculty of Environment at the University of Manitoba in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. His interdisciplinary research interests encompass energy, environmental, food, population, economic, historical and public policy studies. He has also applied these approaches to energy, food and environmental affairs of China. == Early life and education == Smil was born during World War II in Plzeň, at that time in the German Protectorate of Bohemia and...

CowperKettle

11:42

> Synthetic surprise, via cognitive penetrability of perception and predictive coding, can explain the psychedelic state. sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S014976342400006X

O_O

Sounds like gobbledegook

New computer will mimic human brain -- and I'm kinda scared

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M.A.R.

14:05

@CowperKettle this is probably a very weak sense of "explain" at best.

CNS biochemistry is a mess. It's very presumptuous to think we can "explain" any cognitive function with a receptor, let alone meaningfully compare it to another model. It's probably all just a numbers' game. "Oh look, these numbers look like those numbers"

Robusto

14:50

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Robusto

15:06

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Robusto

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Vikas

Robusto

Viswanathan Anand

Viswanathan "Vishy" Anand (born 11 December 1969) is an Indian chess grandmaster and a former five-time World Chess Champion. He became the first grandmaster from India in 1988, and has the eighth highest peak FIDE rating of all-time. In 2022, he was elected the deputy president of FIDE.Anand defeated Alexei Shirov in a six-game match to win the 2000 FIDE World Chess Championship, a title he held until 2002. He became the undisputed world champion in 2007 and defended his title against Vladimir Kramnik in 2008, Veselin Topalov in 2010, and Boris Gelfand in 2012. In 2013, he lost the title ...

Actually ...

Anand (name)

Anand (pronounced [aːˈnənd̪]) is a name of Indian origin, derived from the Sanskrit abstract noun आनन्द (ānanda), which means happiness or joy. == People with the surname Anand == === Engineers and scientists === B. K. Anand (1917–2007), Indian physiologist and pharmacologist Nitya Anand (born 1925), Indian scientist === Sports === Amrik Anand (born 1947), Indian cricketer Viswanathan Anand (born 1969), Indian chess player Chetan Anand (badminton) (born 1980), Indian badminton player Subramanian Anand (born 1986), Sri Lankan cricketer Jagrit Anand (born 1989), Indian cricketer === E...

Vikas

@Robusto now that you've mentioned it I'll notice it more often.

It can be both first or last name.

In India, many police and traffic police officers have made their YouTube and Instagram accounts and share videos recorded on duty. I'm not sure it's allowed or not. If some traffic police officer stopped me and recorded my video and posted it on his channel, I wouldn't like it.

CowperKettle

15:50

CowperKettle

16:04

@Robusto Hence anandamide

> Anandamide was the first endocannabinoid to be discovered: it participates in the body's endocannabinoid system by binding to cannabinoid receptors, the same receptors that the psychoactive compound THC in cannabis acts on.

jlliagre

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alphabet

@Laurel Is the change to the new "dictionary" close reason going through? I've continued to see people close questions for being "too easy," when that is no longer a valid close reason unless the question is from a non-native speaker or the research is specifically a dictionary lookup.

(Not necessarily "from a non-native speaker," I should say, but "of such a sort that only a non-native speaker would be likely to ask it.")

Laurel

Uh yeah sorry I meant to rewrite the thing a little with Colleen's suggestions but I just didn't get to it D:

alphabet

For instance, this question will likely get closed at present, but after the change I think it will probably be one that should stay open:

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"Sing it to me," said Jane. I answered, "Here goes: Row, row, row your boat Gently down the stream. Merrily, merrily, Merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream. "That was nice," said Jane. My question is should there be a quotation mark after dream since it is part of the dialogue? The song lyrics a...

Would I be correct in that assumption, or is this one we'd still close? I don't think the asker is necessarily an EFL student, just someone who doesn't know the rules for block quotations.

jlliagre

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Laurel

16:16

@alphabet Open unless it's a duplicate. Though using blockquotes in dialogue is unusual enough that I suspect nobody's asked about it here before

The title should really be edited tho, and the body to a lesser extent

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Lambie

16:56

@alphabet The OP said it was indented on the page. Movie script, perhaps?

Laurel

@Lambie I think it was supposed to be a blockquote. They show up in novels rarely, which seems to be the type of writing they're doing (not a movie script)

I've reformatted it

Mitch

17:12

@Laurel It's an interesting edge case: if it's a block quote, no quotes are necessary. But a start quote was used outside of the block quote for ' "Here it goes'.

People should just be more lenient, more tolerant. Maybe you (I mean EA, FF, etc) don't like it or are too smart for it, but let other people answer it. There's room for everything.

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One more coming and that's it

OK One more since you're so nice...

I kinda liked the 'image not found' one, but maybe that's a little too obscure

Laurel

18:00

@Mitch Yeah exactly, let the question get a quick and easy answer (or is it quick and easy if you actually want to provide some evidence???) and then let the question suffer in obscurity. Or not, maybe other people do have this question too

@Mitch Do they actually have McDonald's in the Muslim Middle East, I wonder? I don't think the food is even close to being halal but sometimes they modify it significantly for the locale. @M.A.R. do you know lol???

alphabet

18:13

@Laurel npr.org/sections/thesalt/2013/11/02/242371622/…

Laurel

@alphabet That's pretty interesting. I don't think America copies the Middle East at all, probably because we don't know anything about it lol

Lambie

18:30

There's going to be a problem because of the Here goes with a colon. That is not really needed...

Mitch

18:56

@Laurel A quick google scan shows that McDonald's -used to- claim to be halal -in the US- but stopped in 2013 because of some law suit that showed that they were not reliably halal (ie sometimes they followed principles other times not) so McD decided to let go of the promise.

But McD in other countries may be very halal (says google).

McD has different ingredients in every country and different specials eg here in the US they have every so often the McRib sandwich but in France they'll have a burger with Béarnaise sauce, or in India a McTandoor or BigLentil.

Just to nip things in the bud, I made those up, but they accord with my truth

My 'McTruth'

@Laurel The question isn't 'polluting' the site, so even if it turns out to be 'LMGTFY' it's still interesting enough.

More McD's stuff: I think part of a McD franchise is the agreement to resell the McD products engineered at their cow to burger extrusion plants (similarly potato to french fry etc), but each country has its own marketing team to figure out which slight variation is going to be more locally palatable

and even then somehow it still all tastes the same.

@Laurel It's all about immigrants... France has all these Vietnamese restaurants and Germany lots of Turkish.

But in the other direction, Europe is being eaten alive by Döner Kebab, but in the US you'll sometimes find gyros (Greek) or (the mostly the same) shawerma (pan-Arab)

Laurel

19:12

@Mitch Apparently there were only two like that, both in some Arab dense part of Michigan

M.A.R.

19:36

@Laurel none in Iran, but the reason is political not religious. SA and UAE have plenty of such chains

They have KFC, McD etc etc.

Laurel

I guess I was also confusing halal with kosher a little? Apparently halal is just about the methods used when preparing meat (including slaughtering)

M.A.R.

@alphabet okay so in Farsi, "mash" is a short form of "mashadi", a person that has visited Mashhad which is a city smack dab in the middle of a desert built around Imam Riza's shrine. Since travel was way more difficult, visiting Mashhad and Karbala was an accomplishment. Now that commerce is easy, it has evolved into an informal form of address that brooks familiarity. It's sorta equivalent to "laddie" but Farsi.

So "mash Donald" is humorous, since there's an underlying quintessentially Asian undercurrent of inferiority to those fancy Americans thousands of miles away, while at the same time 'mash' indicates a sort of familiarity. It's kinda like king Charles in an undershirt grilling a steak and singing at the top of his lungs

@Laurel mostly. Also no pig meat in any form, bacon, jerky, whatever

Laurel

19:53

Ah, yeah, it overlaps with kosher like that I think

M.A.R.

Also, Quran doesn't have anything on eating weird shit like snails and octopi and what-not, but mullahs tend to extrapolate that meat from any carnivorous animal is haram.

Laurel

Well, you certainly won't find either of those in any McDonald's I've been to

M.A.R.

Cat and dog meat would be haram

Again, not probably a thing in McD

Not to proselytize but raccoon meat would also be haram @Alph

Laurel

The meats that are usually available in US fast food are chicken, beef, pork, and fish (cod? tuna? idk, some normal fish). There's also some other animal products like gelatin, eggs, (cow) milk, and honey. If you go to a more expensive restaurant there are of course some more options, though some meat will never ever be an option in the US (cat, dog, horse)

There are also some meats that people do eat in the US but that I've never seen in a restaurant, like venison (deer). I think when I had some, it was something that someone hunted down themselves

M.A.R.

So just like any other place, except the gift of capitalism ensures Kroc pocketed the money

Trickle up economy

Robusto

20:18

@Laurel Most people don't consider fish to be meat. Back when the Roman Catholic Church banned the eating of meat on Friday, even fish was allowed.

And I am eating fish as we speak. A sardine lunch, yum.

Mitch

@Laurel They both come out the same Abrahamic tradition - parts of the Christian Old Testament is mostly scripture for Jews and Muslims, so there are a lot of similar rules in kosher and halal eg the animal has to be slaughtered in a 'humane' manner (eg not hunted down), pork is a big no-no for both, etc etc

I think the 'kosher parève' rules, no milk and meat together, comes from the rabbinical tradition which is not part of the mohammedan tradition... @M.A.R. is a philly cheese steak halal as long as the meat is halal?

Laurel

@Robusto Yep, my family is RC, and I still try to observe those traditions even though I'm not religious myself

Mitch

@M.A.R. predator's are also non-kosher.

@M.A.R. Raccoon's will eat anything

Laurel

I guess the other "animal" product that we all forget about are insect by-products, which are used in lots of food. I think artificial strawberry might be an example

Mitch

They don't care about kosher or halal

Robusto

20:23

@Mitch Predator's what?

Raccoon's what?

Laurel

That reminds me, I'm pretty sure @alphabet is (ethnically?) Jewish. I don't actually know what he eats other than milk though

Mitch

@Robusto argh

Robusto

I didn't know raccoons had an argh.

Mitch

I must have just been buying vegetables

@Laurel none of these religions mention cannibalism

Robusto

@Mitch It's an open secret.

Mitch

20:26

@Robusto The more you learn

Laurel

What about Christians eating Jesus bread???

Mitch

@Laurel clears throat

Laurel

Not to mention the Jesus liquid...

Mitch

looks aside

I'm sure some Christians will come out of the wordwork to say that's what's so beautiful about Christianity - the martyrdom, the miracles, the "You mean you're telling me I'm -supposed- to eat that?"

Laurel

Technically, you drink the liquid

Mitch

20:30

@Laurel That's a weird kind of 'technically'

Robusto

@Laurel Kool-Aid, I presume.

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Mitch

@Robusto What?

You mean...

@M.A.R. Ya know, the estate of Jane Kroc, his widow, supports a lot of arts and public media, so some of that money is for good.

Robusto

@Mitch For a long time I assumed that a Philly cheese steak was made with cream cheese. You know, because of Philadelphia brand cream cheese?

Mitch

@Robusto What?

You mean it's not?

sort of relatedly, Kraft products are notoriously not kosher... or rather not officially approved kosher by 'kosher approving' groups.

Robusto

20:40

I never would order that because it sounded awful to me. Then someone I was with ordered it and I saw I'd been mistaken all my life about that.

Mitch

ie the commercial products may in substance be following kosher rules but those food processes haven't been examined by kosher approving authorities.

So Kraft products don't have the little 'seal of approval' on their products

Robusto

@Mitch But I bet Hebrew National does.

Mitch

@Robusto And now your life has changed for the better and you wake up with a smile on your face.

Robusto

@Mitch That's all it took.

Mitch

@Robusto goes out to have a philly cheese steak

ah what the hell a donut too

@Robusto Google tells me they are kosher but not glatt kosher

so

you know

You can't talk about your mother in law while eating them

or something

@Robusto Google is telling me more, that it's in question

So don't make the bet quite yet

MetaEd

20:53

@Mitch puts the kool-aid back in the fridge

alphabet

21:06

@Laurel I'm Jewish in the loosest possible sense of the term. I don't follow any dietary rules. (Granted, an all-milk diet would be both kosher and halal.)

@Laurel There are plenty of Middle Eastern restaurants here, though they may be more caricatures than copies.

@Laurel As I recall, essentially all kosher food is halal, but many halal foods are not kosher.

@M.A.R. We need "certified Halal" labels on trash cans so that Muslim raccoons know where to eat.

@Laurel My local Whole Foods (I know) sells ground buffalo. It's actually quite tasty. Like beef but with a more distinctive flavor. Expensive though.

Robusto

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Dannyu NDos

Korean idiom of the day: The white is the paper, and the black is the letters — Meaning that what's actually written is too hard to be understood.

Robusto

21:21

Blossom Puzzle, January 16
Letters: E G L U R S T
My score: 326 points
My longest word: 10 letters
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jlliagre

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I prefer English when it's essentially French ;-)

Robusto

@jlliagre C'mon, English is really just country French.

jlliagre

@Robusto Du français campagnard ?

Robusto

21:37

Fuck, it happened again. The mad starrer strikes again.

@tchrist, @Laurel The vandal strikes again.

jlliagre

22 hours ago, by jlliagre

@tchrist The mad starrer strikes again.

Robusto

I think that got 'em all.

jlliagre

They visited the French chat too.

Robusto

@jlliagre Well, let's see ... there is a common thread between the two chats, n'est-ce pas?

jlliagre

@Robusto Ce raisonnement ne tient qu'à un fil.

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/134394/… too

Robusto

21:47

@jlliagre Le jugement est prouvé. Lui couper la tête !

jlliagre

@Robusto Merci Monsieur Guillotin!

Robusto

Ç'est fait rien.

jlliagre

??

Robusto

Ç'est ne fait rien?

Pas de problème?

jlliagre

Ça ne fait rien: It doesn't hurt/matter. I guess you mean De rien.

Pas de problème is slightly informal but would work too.

Robusto

21:54

Plus de café.

jlliagre

The formal or standard reply to Merci is Je vous en prie / Je t'en prie.

Robusto

@jlliagre Ah, I do remember that one.

jlliagre

@Robusto Ambiguous.

Robusto

@jlliagre I was just asking for more coffee.

jlliagre

I know but plus de café is only unambiguous orally.

Written, it might mean more coffee or no more coffee.

Robusto

21:55

But I am representing myself as speaking orally for the purposes of this chat.

Laurel

@Robusto Were you in the room when it happened?

Robusto

@jlliagre FFS.

@Laurel Yes, we both were, @jlliagre and I.

Not sure who else was.

I didn't see anybody else here that I would suspect of doing such a thing.

But @tchrist says it's possible to do that from the transcript page. So who knows?

jlliagre

@Laurel Last time, I saw an Avatar vanishing just after the stars appeared. That wasn't one I'm used to see here.

Robusto

2 days ago, by tchrist

@Robusto From the transcript. Doing so makes your user show up in the pingable list again, but nobody else knows that.

Dannyu NDos

This cake is named literally Oh Yes.

jlliagre

22:01

@DannyuNDos Google translate (to French) thinks it's 'Operating System' :-)

Dannyu NDos

From what?

The original Korean text?

jlliagre

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Dannyu NDos

It's 오예스, not 오에스.

jlliagre

You need good eyes ;-)

@DannyuNDos So this little extra line transforms Oh Yes to Operating System?

Dannyu NDos

A lacking line.

jlliagre

22:04

Right.

Dannyu NDos

@jlliagre Speaking of eyes... My left eye is 20/13 and my right eye is 20/29.

Super asymmetric.

jlliagre

@DannyuNDos What does that measures?

Dannyu NDos

Dunno exactly but, the smaller the denominator is, the better the eye.

jlliagre

@DannyuNDos Ah, we do not use the same system here. It's from 0/10 (blind) to 10/10 (good). It can be higher but the ophtalmologists usually do not test upper than 10.

@DannyuNDos Let me rephrase it: So this little extra line transforms Operating System to Oh Yes?

Dannyu NDos

Yes.

jlliagre

22:10

Amazing.

Dannyu NDos

'Cause 오에스 is just a transcription of "OS".

jlliagre

22:21

@DannyuNDos That makes more sense. Oh Yes and Oh Ess.

Laurel

@alphabet I mean, the loosest sense of the term in my opinion are people who are ethnically Jewish (i.e, don't believe in the religion themselves but come from people who did)

Robusto

22:38

@jlliagre Really? Changing Oh Yes to Oh Es by removing one little glide does the same thing.

alphabet

Just found out they make this. You mean I've been drinking hetero milk this whole time??

Robusto

@alphabet You can't make cows without fertilizing a few eggs.

jlliagre

And some genized milk.

alphabet

@Robusto On large farms these days, as I recall, most of the cows go the artificial-insemination route.

Robusto

@alphabet My premise was and remains that fertilization is necessary. How it happense is quite another matter.

@alphabet Also, that's a lot of bull!

Dannyu NDos

22:50

*Cough*

jlliagre

Mitch

> Please be aware that KOOL-AID JAMMERS DRINKS pouches in various flavors, which were given to local yeshiva children yesterday by a School Bus driver, are not under Kosher supervision and should not be used. Only those Kool-Aid products that bear an OK symbol on the label are acceptable.

From here

@DannyuNDos Self fulfilling statement... that was too hard to be understood

@jlliagre Comme c'est bizarre

@Robusto plus ça change

@jlliagre Attends! What is the difference in speech?

alphabet

23:06

@DannyuNDos Is there an official source documenting which Pokemon lactate?

jlliagre

@Mitch Do you know it's a famous movie quote?

Drôle de drame | "Bizarre ... Moi j'ai dit bizarre ?"

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Dannyu NDos

@alphabet No.

Mitch

@jlliagre Comme c'est curieux

jlliagre

@Mitch Pronouncing the final S or not.

Mitch

@jlliagre Ohhhhh.

Laurel

23:09

@alphabet bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Milk_Drink_(move)

Mitch

But

@jlliagre but which is which? /plys .../ is 'no more..' or 'more...'? I'd guess 'no more' but who knows.

well you might know.

I'm hopeful

@Laurel OK...now I'm starting to think they've made up some of those names.

jlliagre

@Mitch /plys/ : more, /ply/ : no more.

Laurel

@Mitch Uh, did nobody tell you that all names are made up? Like what even would a "mitch" be?

Mitch

@Laurel Stop

Stop right there

Are you saying I'm some sort of pokemon?

You're saying I'm some sort of pokemon

Can you hold a pokemon in your hand?

No

Unless you have one of those pokeballs

Laurel

Dannyu NDos

23:17

Speaking of Pokémon:

tumblr.com/dannyundos/695093416591327232/…

Mitch

@Laurel oh

Dannyu NDos

Ideas much appreciated.

Mitch

@jlliagre Comme c'est drôle

Et comme c'est marrant

Comme c'est drôle et marrant

jlliagre

@Mitch The presence of ne often allowed to distinguish between them: Il n'y en a plus compared to Il y en a plus but now that the ne is more and more dropped even along with the subject: Y'en a plus in written form is ambiguous.

Mitch

Et quelle coïncidence.

cripes...that all comes from somewhere

jlliagre

23:23

@Mitch Drôle and marrant are synonymous, different registers.

Mitch

@jlliagre Comme c'est étrange

jlliagre

@Mitch Strange and étrange are very close but stranger and étranger are mostly false friends.

CowperKettle

Mitch

23:50

@jlliagre comme c'est

Hm

I ran out

No more words left

jlliagre

@Mitch Comme c'est triste.

Mitch

Any way now I remember that's all from La Cantatrice Chauve

@jlliagre Merci,!

Comme c'est dommage

Quelle dommage

Quelle tragédie

Quelle horreur

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