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Is it true that English speakers count sheeps because "sheep" rhymes with "sleep"?
No, and sheep is invariant in number.
One fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish.
One sheep, two sheep, black sheep, white sheep.
It's like deer in that regard. You don't use a -s to make it plural. You just make the verb plural.
That is more confusing than ox/oxen or mouse/mice, I'd say.
Yes, those are just irregular, but they have different forms. Oxen is unusual, but the "strong" ones are an older paradigm where just the vowel changes to show plural: man/men, woman/women, goose/geese, foot/feet.
It's something that all the Germanic languages share.
There are talked about here.
The "apophonic plurals" or "i-mutated plurals" are the cool ones. :)
> This group consists of words that historically belong to the Old English consonant declension, see Germanic umlaut § I-mutation in Old English.
> The plural, and genitive/dative singular, forms of consonant-declension nouns (Proto-Germanic (PGmc) *-iz), as compared to the nominative/accusative singular – e.g., fōt "foot", fēt "feet"; mūs "mouse", mȳs "mice". Many more words were affected by this change in Old English vs. modern English – e.g., bōc "book", bēċ "books"; frēond "friend", frīend "friends".
> Usage of virii within Internet communities has met with some resistance, most notably by Tom Christiansen, a figure in the Perl community, who researched the issue and wrote what eventually became referred to in various online discussions as the authoritative essay on the subject,[11] favoring viruses instead of virii.

The impetus of this discussion was the potential irony that the use of virii could be construed as a claim of superior knowledge of language when in fact more detailed research finds the native viruses is actually more appropriate. In other words, virii is a hypercorrection.
00:43
Cheers, @Robusto
@Araucaria-Him Remember, you could find that you're not dumb enough for the job!
01:10
Someone decided to star every recent message in chat again. Please stop. IIRC the mods can figure out who did this.
@tchrist: Star spamming again.
This will not end well. These are tracked. Someone is in for it.
@tchrist I'll start to remove them unless you need them up for evidence.
Leave them for a second. I'm working on it.
01:29
Ok, you can clear those now.
Thanks.
01:44
Okay, got all those ones cancelled.
01:58
@tchrist Sorry, I was called for dinner. Did you catch the malefactor?
Or fe-.
We're collectively working on it. It requires dev help, and everybody's on holiday.
You need readonly access to the real prod db, which mere moderators certainly lack. It has to be run as a manual query.
@tchrist Orly. Maybe someone's kid.
Cat on keyboard.
No cats on chat!
@tchrist Not random enough for a cat.
02:10
It may return. Math has been hit twice tonight.
No self-respecting cat would be so linear.
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A Russian one might, per Ian Fleming.
Time to change my profile picture to a hellhound or something.
As Goldfinger warned James Bond: Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Thrice is enemy action.
02:14
@DannyuNDos 🙀
@tchrist I don't think he said thrice, but I could be wrong.
That's why I didn't use quotation marks.
I think there's a chapter in that book titled "Nothing propinqs like propinquity."
@tchrist You got the gist of it.
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user98955The Online Etymology Dictionary entry for the verb to approach references propinquity (NED, psychology, AHD, wiktionary) which contains a reference to an aphorism: late 14c., "nearness in relation, kinship," later also "physical nearness" (early 15c.), from Old French propinquite (13c.) and dire...

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@tchrist Ah. Diamonds are Forever. I thought it might be Goldfinger because of the fact that Bond shows up too often for Goldfinger to pass it off as coincidence.
I think I read all the Bond novels in my sophomore year of high school.
I don't even remember how man there were, but I probably whipped them off in a couple of months.
03:08
@Robusto Even a raccoon knows to avoid such things. Though I do occasionally want to pick up this comments section and wash it.
 
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05:02
Word of the day: place mat
> I don’t want to say my girlfriend is young but I took her to Perkins and the waitress gave me a menu… and gave my girlfriend a placemat and 3 crayons.
05:49
> so what happens is, if you leave pipes [???] to/that evaporate over time, they start smelling
Can anyone hear what he says?
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Q: like sb to do /doing sth

Stephen Nobody likes his friends to take advantage of him. (A New English Grammar, by Zhang Zhenbang, page 373) Can I use "taking" instead of "to take" in the above sentence?

Not relevant to the question, but: apparently that grammar book was written by a non-native speaker, but has become very popular in China.
From an interview with him:
> ”We need to complete a book with modern grammar system, which is convenient for Chinese to learn,” he said.
I'm hoping that that interview was conducted in Chinese; if that's the English he's teaching, I'm concerned.
Ouch.
With modern grammar system is odd. Must be very modern indeed.
And complete a book, why complete?
06:05
Indeed. They needed article.
And "for Chinese" is rather old-fashioned.
06:25
Yeah for Chinamen to learn is better.
What else?
I don't see any obvious syntactic errors?
But of course one would phrase the whole sentence differently.
For some reason, "The Chinese are..." is still common, but "Chinese are..." on its own is rather odd.
The non-defining relative clause is not a good idea.
@alphabet Agreed.
The syntactic error is the missing article before "system." "System" is a count noun.
06:31
Well, didn't I mention that?
I was responding to the "I don't see any obvious syntactic errors" claim
Sorry if I misunderstood
I meant any other errors.
Ah.
He also seems to be saying that such a book, though needed, does not yet exist. But this interview was published after he wrote his own book. Sounds self-deprecating.
Hah.
Perhaps he forgot to use the simple past.
Presumably.
06:37
Alas.
This quote actually comes from an obituary: en.shisu.edu.cn/resources/news/…
I suspect that the interview was actually conducted in Chinese, and was translated by someone other than Zhenbang, so we can't blame him for these mistakes.
OK makes sense.
That article has a few other odd turns of phrase.
Hmm.
 
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> In 2020, it published a fake scientific paper which claimed that a bat-like Pokémon sparked the spread of COVID-19 in a fictional city.[2]
The American Journal of Biomedical Science and Research is an open-access medical journal for scientific and technical research papers. It is published by BiomedGrid. The journal has been included on the updated Beall's List of potential predatory open-access journals, and has faced other criticisms of its publishing practices. In 2020, it published a fake scientific paper which claimed that a bat-like Pokémon sparked the spread of COVID-19 in a fictional city. == Activities == The journal's publisher Biomedgrid LLC was first registered in California in 2018 by Sasidhar Vontethina and Sus...
> The paper blamed a fictional creature for an outbreak of Covid-19 in a fictional city, cited fictional references (including one from author Bruce Wayne in a made-up journal named "Gotham Forensics Quarterly" on using bats to fight crime), and was cowritten by fictional authors such as Pokémon’s Nurse Joy and House, MD.[14]
10:06
Nice sky.
But poor sunshine today.
10:25
We're having the best of all weathers today.
Temperatures are rising, finally.
10:50
Yeah.
odd's are we have an odd Czar
A nice line for a song. "Cause odd's are, we have an odd Czar"
The only thing left is to compose the remaining lines.
> I will lay odds that, ere this year expire,
We bear our civil swords and native fire
As far as France. I heard a bird so sing,
Whose music, to my thinking, pleas'd the King.
 
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@CowperKettle I had written a very short horror story couple of years ago. But I didn't share it anywhere because grammar, sentences and use of words were not fully correct. I wanted to fix those things. I had procastinated it so far. Yesterday I was cleaning my notes then I found this story as well. I realized I could fix the English, but the concept is not good enough. So I deleted it.
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hwkalSORRY if this question doesn't seem to be the type of question for which the platform is meant. How can I find The topic of my doubt in CGEL? because I often have doubts and can't find the topic when I go to CGEL. Is there any better way to deal with a problem like this? how do you search in CGE...

Should this get moved to meta? Closed for lack of clarity?
14:27
what do you think about philosophy of consciousness? what is yours
14:54
@Cerberus I can't hear it either. But he's probably referring to the fact that if you don't use something with a drain and a gooseneck pipe, if the water in the gooseneck evaporates over time then sewer gases will have no impediment and will seep up into the room.
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@Vikas I sometimes write a short verse and later realize it's bad. It takes some time to look at one's one composition with a degree of detachment
Eliminative materialism (also called eliminativism) is a materialist position in the philosophy of mind. It is the idea that the majority of mental states in folk psychology do not exist. Some supporters of eliminativism argue that no coherent neural basis will be found for many everyday psychological concepts such as belief or desire, since they are poorly defined. The argument is that psychological concepts of behavior and experience should be judged by how well they reduce to the biological level. Other versions entail the nonexistence of conscious mental states such as pain and visual perceptions...
@CowperKettle Sometimes that epiphany comes sooner rather than later.
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@CowperKettle this philosophy is not very good imo. it's based on denial of everyday experience with no basis
@CowperKettle i find this one more nuanced plato.stanford.edu/entries/structural-realism
in this philosophy, the structure of nature is studied by science, while mental states are non structural aspects that are associated to the structure.
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@Robusto That is an interesting map.
Yeah. My memory of the -stans is not perfect.
Fahrenheit.
And snowy.
@RyderRude Neurons have their everyday experience. Wanting more nutrients, producing more spikes that bring more nutrients. The common folk psychology completely omits the poor cells' experience, and it is they whom we must feel grateful towards
Thus, eliminative materialism for the win.
@tchrist We are having none of that.
15:53
@Robusto Today should be the last day of this frigid lockdown.
Outside: 27f, 48% humidity
Inside: 77f, 23% humidity
My apartment's HVAC system is less than ideal.
Really the V and AC parts don't exist, and the H part was built in 1899 and, by all appearances, never altered since.
@alphabet What do you want for $3K/mo?
@tchrist Is your heat gas or electric?
All I would have to do for 30 degrees warmer is hop the Continental Divide. It's 34 degrees warmer about 20 or 30 miles west of me.
Gas.
And yes, the temperature has been falling as the day progresses.
@Robusto I will have you know that my rent is a mere 34.5% of my income. Cheap!
It's getting cheaper all the time, innit?
16:02
Of course!
@tchrist Good luck trying to move in this weather.
Probably not a good day for walk-in traffic at the local ice cream parlors.
TIL pelota can also mean "ass-kisser" in Spanish.
16:26
> Anyhow, he knows the names, but we'll take the asparagus.
Mister Hoople.
Mott, his wife, would give her name to the band that recorded "All the Young Dudes" fifty years ago.
I vaguely remember that comic. Right in there with "Smokey Stover" and "Dagwood."
It ended in 1984 after a more than fifty-year run.
@tchrist Which always sounded to me like a David Bowie song, and then I learned it was.
Definitely his fingerprint.
16:39
Depression era comic strips about fat cats would eventually be displaced by comic strips about cats that are fat.
Her name was Martha Hoople, but the Major called her Mott for short.
Because he was too posh to say his Rs.
Like Roosevelt coming off sounding like Churchill.
Notary sojac.
@DannyuNDos 'because' as in do English speakers think of counting sheep -because- they're thinking 'sleep' rhymes with 'sheep' so I'll count sheep? No, not at all. No one is thinking that at all. As a child, if you can't fall asleep someone says count sheep, and you just do it, maybe wondering if they're soft and fluffy and pleasant like clouds.
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But I suppose it is possible some parent thought it'd be clever to have the kids count something and what better than something that rhymes with 'sleep'.
But I have no idea if there's is some poem that does that.
So it is possible, but even if it is the case that that's where the choice of sheep (rather than say cats or slugs or flowers), no one is thinking that, it's just what you do.
@Robusto presumably -not- literally someone who kisses an ass, but 'ball' just happens to be the word choice for that concept?
16:55
@Mitch Maybe it's because it refers to someone who can be batted around and keeps grinning? I dunno.
@Mitch It's because Mom finally wearied of reciting “Mary Had a Little Lamb,” “Little Bo Peep,” and “Baa Baa Black Sheep” for the anxious little tots every night at bedtime.
@alphabet moved to meta. you should add a flag to that question for that
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also 'doubts' = 'questions'
No, doubts are personal insecurities best shared with your spiritual advisor alone.
17:00
@Robusto like a door mat
Yeah, but they like pelota better.
@tchrist sorry...I meant that the author is probably speaking IndE and is using 'doubts' for what others might expect 'questions'
Disabuse.
and if I were being buttinsky I might be inclined to edit to 'questions'
@Mitch Allá donde fueras, haz lo que vieres.
17:02
We have no sky, let alone a butter one.
It's snow all the way up, so maybe two hundred feet tops.
No, they refer to the real. Desire is the desire of the other. If you have a bookshelf with a row of books, and remove one. Is anything missing? No, nothing is missing in the real.
@tchrist Actually, what you can see are bottoms, not tops.
Pretty white butts in sky?
More than usual I see people writing English words and yet I have no idea what anybody means.
I am in total recognition that this is ironic.
or projection
or whatever
God is an iron.
17:05
@tchrist Yup.
Omg, I was referring to that Wikipedia article on eliminativism: If you have a row of books, and remove one, is anything missing? Answer: No, nothing is missing in the real.
Who here pronounces irony as /ˈaɪɹəni/ and who as /ˈaɪɝni/ ?
Dress shirts need more irony than do t-shirts.
@Robusto I thnk I spent a few days arguing with some people that the way to pronounce it is /ˈaɪ rə ni/, as in back forming from 'ironic'.
And then years later I realized how wrong that was.
Nothing rhymes with irony.
17:10
Orange does
@tchrist If pressed, I would rhyme it with finery.
@Robusto But really, I pronounce it the second way.
Because nothing rhymes with iron, and adding knee does it no favors.
@Robusto Oh... like when in Rome? But who is Rome here?
@Mitch Yes, that's the customary translation for that refrán.
17:12
@Mitch Which Rome do you mean? Italy or New York?
@Robusto I think the point is whichever one fueres
@Mitch Ding!
Romanum venio, ieiuno Sabbato; hic sum, non ieiuno: sic etiam tu, ad quam forte ecclesiam veneris, eius morem serva, si cuiquam non vis esse scandalum nec quemquam tibi.
So ... my wife is faltering on Spain for our anniversary now. She thinks there is so much to see it will just tire her out.
@Robusto Don't do it all. Just go to one city.
17:15
That's the jejune sense of ieiuno.
He fasts not.
Also, go for a couple weeks and just hang out.
Maybe Mallorca would be fun and restful.
That was the advice given the Bishop of Hippo by the Bishop of Milan, respectively Saints Augustine and Ambrose.
It gave rise to the proverbs we know today.
@tchrist In chess, no bishop is a hippo.
But some all hippos are caballeros.
Therefore, no bishop is a caballero.
In Japanese chess it's a ryūma, a dragon horse once promoted.
Noun: りゅうま • (ryūma)
  1. 竜馬: A swift horse; (shogi) A promoted bishop.
17:36
@tchrist I bet Tom Lehrer could have rhymed it.
@Robusto "briony" is another near-rhyme
Certainly a poet could be accused of excessive Byrony.
@tchrist Promoted to what? Or is it a pawn promoted to a bishop?
@MetaEd We are the folk song army.
@Robusto That's because every one of us CARES.
@Robusto All pieces but the king promote on the third rank in shogi. Each piece gains different additional powers.
Techically, they promote upon moving from any of the back three ranks.
@MetaEd Ready ... aim ... sing!
Something like that.
17:45
The words don't have to be clever / and it don't matter if you put a couple of extra syllables into a line.
@Robusto a man of culture, obviously
> If a piece other than the Gold General or King makes a move that ends within the promotion zone (the last three rows), then the player can choose to promote that piece. The piece is turned over to reveal the symbol of the promoted piece. If a Pawn or Lance reaches the final row or the Knight reaches the penultimate row, then that piece MUST be promoted. A promoted piece moves as follows:

Pawn, Lance, Knight & Silver General - when promoted move exactly like a Gold General.

Promoted Rook (called a Dragon King) - moves like a Rook but acquires the power to move a single square diagonally.
> A player with one or more captured pieces can opt to drop a captured piece onto the board instead of moving at any point in the game. The dropped piece can be re-entered onto any vacant square with the following restrictions:

Pieces drop in the un-promoted state although they can be promoted in subsequent moves according to the usual rules.

A piece cannot be dropped on a square from which it would never have a legal move (i.e. a Pawn on the last row or a Knight on either of the last two rows).
@tchrist I never played shogi. I gave up at go.
Shogi is much, much more fun than go.
Once you get all the intricacies, maybe.
17:47
It's not hard.
To learn.
Go is one of those games where you're losing but you don't know why.
I like Go but there's nobody else in Texas who knows what the hell it is.
@MetaEd I bet there is at North Texas State.
In Texas it's a coyote-run game.
@tchrist - for me, Chess seems like you begin and you're already playing the endgame. Is Shogi better in that regard?
17:49
> The fascinating facet of the game that makes Shogi a superior Chess variety in many people's minds, is the fact that captured pieces are allowed to re-enter the game. Aside from maintaining the complexity of the game, it also means that there is no concept of Stalemate or agreed draws in Shogi.
@Robusto Are you thinking UTD?
@MetaEd Then you're not playing the middle game. Are you developing all your pieces?
@MetaEd Isn't NTS the one with the big chess programs?
@Robusto what I mean is, it seems mostly tactics, not strategy. Where Go is largely strategic
@MetaEd Well, then you're not paying attention to strategy. As Tartakower said, "Tactics is knowing what to do when there is something to do. Strategy is knowing what to do when there is nothing to do."
You have to make a strategy according to the principles of spatial dominance, pawn structure, weak vs. strong squares, etc.
18:04
@Robusto I don't know, it may be overly subjective. But after I "learned" Go (with quotes advisedly) Chess just seemed all endgamy.
@tchrist what's the win condition?
@Robusto I like this.
@MetaEd Checkmate.
You win or you die. No draws.
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@Vikas I get the feeling that the surname Anand in India is about as common as Smith or Jones in the US.
@Robusto Kumar and Singh are probably more common
Lovely night folks
Nearly high noon here.
Even our diurnal rhythms are at odds
@Robusto Yet here we are stuck at four below and snowing still. Nobody's been out walking their dogs today, which is unusual for here.
@tchrist Good thing cats don't require that level of care.
18:51
Oh, and the city parks people have the day off, so those aren't getting plowed.
@Robusto Indeed. They're lying low. Have no urge to step outside whatsoever. I haven't even seen predators out there. Lately the great-horned owls have been serenading me the first hour or three after sunset. But no foxes in the fields now red-tails in the skies today, nor Cooper's hawks in the trees. Last year when we had it this bad I got bobcats and goshawk.
@tchrist I had a Cooper's hawk attack my helmet once when I rode my bike under a tree it was in. I thought it was a low branch scratching my helmet, but one of the cyclists, an amateur ornithologist, told me it was a Cooper's hawk.
@Robusto Is that normal? lol
@Laurel Only happened the one time.
That's very odd.
Not a lot of travel here today, at least in the mountains. Even the city has snow-packed highways.
19:13
In the city Chelyabinsk, a man who had spent 10 years in compulsory psychiatric treatment for killing, dismembering and feasting on his school classmate, went out, bought a fake medical diploma and started working as a primary care physician in a local outpatient hospital. He was discovered by chance by the psychiatric clinic worker, who noticed the familiar face on the local medical webforum. The guy used his real photo as an avatar and provided helpful advice online
Boris Kondrashin dreamed of becoming a doctor since his childhood.
What if he really changed to a nice man, and only wanted to help people?
19:48
@CowperKettle Why would you take that chance?
@CowperKettle Someone check the morgue for any missing bodies.
@Robusto Maybe you want to see if you have good taste.
20:15
@Mitch I've shoved all my chips in before, but not like that. Also, I wouldn't bet on whether I have good taste.
Today's traffic cameras around the Nashville metroplex look the same as those around the Denver metroplex, which is pretty unusual. Even Dallas east to Tyler and Paris aren't looking so hot.
Yeah, Tyler looks the worst right now. Ft Worth is still ok.
20:32
@Robusto “I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy, I was able to get a sense of his soul.”
@CowperKettle The mark of a trainer handler, handling.
21:04
> Commuters who cycle to work are less likely to be prescribed antidepressants. Analysis of almost 380,000 people living in Scotland suggests commuting by bike reduces the risk of ill mental health.
@CowperKettle That makes sense to me.
21:22
@CowperKettle I wonder if it's actually causative in the opposite direction. Like, bad mental health often causes one to not have a place to commute to (or afford a place/job with a luxury like such a commute), or be fit enough to cycle
Unfortunately, while "cycle places" could be helpful advice, "don't have a mental health problem" really isn't
21:55
@Robusto I pronounce it /ajʁoni/ :-)
22:07
@jlliagre Well, you would be different. :p
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@Robusto "Pose" in the sense of "perplexing" and many have told me that Rootl's are indeed perlplexing ← Freudian slip?
23:34
> What’s the name of the dude who is always well-prepared for anything?
Justin Case
Hugh G. Rection may refer to: a fictional character in Screwballs II a fictional reference in "Sign here", an episode of Beavis and Butt-Head a ring name of wrestler Bill DeMott == See also == Gag name
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