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M.A.R.

00:00

@alphabet facts don't care about your feelings!

At this rate I dunno if it's Republicans or Democrats that say that

alphabet

@M.A.R. Clearly you're a shill for the non-milk-food industry

On a completely irrelevant note, I've found the perfect explanation of the Trump indictment:

11,780 votes by schmoyoho full version

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M.A.R.

@alphabet how dare you accuse me of being a milk denier! I know perfectly well that man causes milk

alphabet

@M.A.R. Milk is high in essential nutrients like lactose, saturated fat, and maternal vibes

Laurel

@Robusto Frozen sushi is like a little over $5 for 18 pieces, so yeah I can't do that. Unfortunately most of the sushi I eat from restaurants is probably Chinese made, or at least the restaurant is branded as a Chinese restaurant

Maybe I'll make it to Japan one day and have some there tho

@alphabet Big Non-Milk-Food

Robusto

@Laurel Yeah, you can't trust that. Korean is ... ehhh, passable, I guess ... but if I go into a sushi shop and can't speak Japanese with the staff, I know it ain't the real thing.

Laurel

00:05

I might be able to get myself to Japan this year. My brother wants to go there as an exchange program or something

Robusto

Nice.

alphabet

00:19

My favourite vowel?

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Laurel

I'm not really sure what to expect from Japan. Like I've formed opinions about what it'd be like but I think most of those were from anime so who knows

alphabet

Hey he covered the whole bunched/retroflex R thing (starting around 6:16)

The other thing that's been bothering me ever since I learned about it, and has made me spend way too long repeating different words with each allophone

Whoaaaa

If you say the word "star" (with bunched R), weaken the "R" enough, and add an "n," it sounds like an Australian saying "stone"

Robusto

@Laurel I'm pretty sure you'll like it. In a way, anime projects the zeitgeist, but not the reality. (Obviously.) It's just like being a foreigner in, say, European countries, only more so. Protip: Don't take taxis (too expensive) and don't jaywalk (very frowned upon).

Laurel

00:37

Well, considering how often Japan gets rekt in anime, that's probably a good thing :p

I heard that the Japanese are fascinated with Americans but I have a hard time believing that's still true (if it ever was) in an age where the internet exists

Also the jaywalking thing is helpful to know. I'm a little bit of a criminal lol

Robusto

A woman friend who is six feet tall with blazing auburn hair went to Tokyo and literally stopped traffic.

alphabet

Likewise you can turn AmE "harps" into AusE "hopes" by making the R sound less strongly

CowperKettle

01:49

Pythagoras maintained an anti-bean diet.

‘Pythagoreans celebrate sunrise’ (1869) by Fyodor Bronnikov.

@alphabet Wow

His daughter had her joints replaced in her teens.

> The joint problems culminated in hip and ankle replacements in her teens, coupled with “extreme fatigue, depression and anxiety, brain fog, and sleep problems.”

alphabet

@CowperKettle Might as well get it out of the way sooner

CowperKettle

I don't get it. He ate only meat for 2 months. How didn't he die of carbohydrate deficiency?

alphabet

If your diet is low-carb enough to trigger ketosis, your body can use fats as a replacement.

Ketogenic diets have a lot of unusual effects. IIRC it treats epilepsy fairly well and may help with weight loss, but it's usually oversold and there are reasons to think it might cause serious health risks in the long term.

Incidentally: one of the side effects of a ketogenic diet is that your breath can smell "fruity." This is because you're breathing out acetone.

(People also say that "during ketosis your body turns fat into energy" as a way of selling it as a weight loss aid. But that's dietary fat, not body fat.)

Of course, an all-meat diet does have a bunch of risks beyond those associated with ketogenic diets, since it has no fiber and very little Vitamin C.

CowperKettle

02:12

Now that I suddenly don't have diabetes, I may try it, just to see what it feels like. But I should read up first, how to make sure that I've actually entered ketosis and so forth.

I wonder if one can continue running (jogging) on this diet.

alphabet

Supposedly it can help diabetes, but so can any low-carb diet. You can get urine test strips to determine if you're in ketosis.

CowperKettle

> You'll need to stay under 50 grams of carbohydrates per day to enter and stay in ketosis.

alphabet

To me it sounds like yet another diet fad (unless you're using it as a second or third-line treatment for epilepsy). Also potentially dangerous. I would stay away, but it remains very trendy among a certain sort of tech bro.

CowperKettle

So, I can safely take 100 grams of peanuts daily while on ketogenic diet. That's only 16 grams of carbs.

That will cover 600 calories.

Fine.

@alphabet To me too. I first learned about the diet 20 years ago in articles about treatment-resistant epilepsy.

alphabet

@CowperKettle Yeah. The difference is that, while people on the keto diet to lose weight might do it for (say) a few months, if you have epilepsy you need to stay on it permanently, forever, which limits your diet pretty severely.

But it is unusually effective, probably because ketosis doesn't power neurons very efficiently, thus reducing their overall activity.

Which of course makes one wonder if it's a good idea for people without epilepsy.

CowperKettle

02:19

> Generally, popular ketogenic resources suggest an average of 70-80% fat from total daily calories, 5-10% carbohydrate, and 10-20% protein. For a 2000-calorie diet, this translates to about 165 grams fat, 40 grams carbohydrate, and 75 grams protein.

alphabet

The problem is that protein can (to some extent) get metabolized into carbohydrates. So your diet also needs to be fairly low in protein relative to fat.

On an all-meat diet, this means a diet very high in saturated fat.

An all-milk diet is not ketogenic because of all the lactose.

Of course, lactose is the only healthy carbohydrate. Which is quite fortunate.

CowperKettle

USDA says that pumpkin seeds contain 54 g of carbs per 100 g --- O_O

Or 18 grams. fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/2515380/nutrients

Maybe I should subtract "fiber", hence 13 grams.

So it's safe to take 100 grams of pumpkin seeds, 100 grams of peanuts = a total of 30 grams of carbs.

That will give 1000 calories.

Adding olive oil will be very expensive..

So I need to buy several kg of pumpkin seeds and similarly of peanuts.

Maybe add some 20 grams of olive oil (160 calories), and some butter.

100 g of butter + 20 g of olive oil = 850 calories roughly

nuts + oil + butter = 1850 calories.

And some 200 grams of high-fat cottage cheese

That will give 400 calories.

A total of 2200 calories per day.

Seems survivable.

Mix cottage cheese with butter.

Basically all I need is a printout of relatively healthy fats' USDA data, and their store prices :)

Cottage cheese will provide the protein (along with peanuts)

CowperKettle

02:47

Oh. They sell flour made from pumpkin seeds, and it's half the price relative to seeds.

Oops. It's low-fat.

CowperKettle

05:35

> All I could see from where I stood
Was three long mountains and a wood;
I turned and looked another way,
And saw three islands in a bay.
So with my eyes I traced the line
Of the horizon, thin and fine,
Straight around till I was come
Back to where I'd started from;
And all I saw from where I stood
Was three long mountains and a wood.

CowperKettle

05:57

Uh Oh, Methane Evidence Suggests We Entered Ice Age Termination Event

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CowperKettle

07:27

Etymology of the day: mistletoe -- from Old English misteltān, mistiltān (“mistletoe”), from mistel (“mistletoe; basil; birdlime”) + tān (“sprig, shoot, twig”) (which was mistaken for the plural of tā (“toe”)),[1] equivalent to mistle +‎ tan (“twig”)

user 726941

07:48

@alphabet wow! thanks for sharing TIL

user 726941

12:26

Trying To Find Fitness Advice Online

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CowperKettle

500 Miles By Hedy West

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TIL I learned that this is the woman who wrote the song.

I thought it was some old anonymous song from the 19th century.

CowperKettle

14:39

> WAIT for the next summer

Robusto

15:46

#Worldle #589 2/6 (100%)
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https://worldle.teuteuf.fr

I can´t believe I couldn´t think of this one first off.

🌎 Sep 2, 2023 🌍
🔥 18 | Avg. Guesses: 4.35
🟧🟥🟩 = 3

globle-game.com
#globle

CowperKettle

#Worldle #589 1/6 (100%)
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩🎉
⭐⭐🪙
https://worldle.teuteuf.fr

I did not know the capital

This country has remains of elephants the size of a donkey.

Robusto

16:01

I'd be more impressed by donkeys the size of an elephant.

user 726941

Size is the only thing that matters to an elephant.

Robusto

Wordle 805 5/6

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Vikas

@CowperKettle I didn't know the country name yesterday. Then I read a news where this country name was mentioned. Immediately I felt both are linked.

Would that count as cheating?

Cerberus

16:29

#Worldle #589 1/6 (100%)
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⭐⭐⭐🏙️🪙
https://worldle.teuteuf.fr

All correct in one guess.

@CowperKettle That I didn't know.

jlliagre

16:58

#Worldle #589 1/6 (100%)
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https://worldle.teuteuf.fr

Failed to guess the population, as usual.

Robusto

Daily Quordle 586
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jlliagre

Wordle 805 2/6

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Yay!

Robusto

Uncanny.

Daily Octordle #586
6️⃣4️⃣
9️⃣5️⃣
🕚2️⃣
8️⃣🔟
Score: 55

Two 55s in a row.

jlliagre

Daily Quordle 586
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7️⃣8️⃣
m-w.com/games/quordle/

Daily Octordle #586
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Score: 68

Rootl game #93

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#waffle589 4/5

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🔥 streak: 27
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jlliagre

19:42

Double arc-en-ciel.

Robusto

I was just about to ask.

But very nice.

Those big ones only happen near sunset, I've been told.

jlliagre

Yes, 7:49pm local time.

Robusto

That's the sky here a few nights ago.

Always wonderful clouds here, when there are clouds.

jlliagre

They look like thunderstorm clouds.

Robusto

20:18

@jlliagre There were some rumblings, but the rain passed us by. The thing is, if I panned around you'd see blue sky.

@jlliagre Verdad.

Robusto

21:09

Wow, NYT Spelling Bee won't accept ELVEN ...

Oh well, I'll just use eleven then.

jlliagre

21:40

Elven, Morbihan

Elven (French pronunciation: [ɛlvɛ̃]; Breton: An Elven) is a commune, located in the department of Morbihan and region of Brittany, western France. == Geography == The village of Elven is located about 15 kilometres (9.3 miles) from the Vannes-Rennes junction on route nationale 166. Until 2015, it was the seat of the former canton of Elven which also included Saint-Nolff, Monterblanc, Sulniac, Trédion and La Vraie-Croix. Elven is near the Lanvaux moor, surrounded by several woodlands: Helfaut wood, Coeby wood, Kerfily, and la Boissière. The Kerbiler stream leaves the land of the Château...

@Robusto I crossed Elven two weeks ago.

Michael Rybkin

23:59

@user726941 thank you

@Cerberus thank you

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