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KitFox

19:01

I was writing programs when I was eight.

I'm not a prodigy.

ΜετάEd

@KitFox Maybe you are.

KitFox

Haha.

I don't feel like one.

I can't even figure out how to add these parameters efficiently.

►

Robusto

@KitFox You can still be a protégé.

Matt Эллен

or kinda porridgey

KitFox

porridge-y. mmm.

So. The kitteh pics are not helping cheer me up.

Vitaly

19:13

@ΜετάEd Oh, and I wanted to mention that if you enter an invalid library card number in OED Online, it explicitly tells you that the card number is rejected. When it is accepted, it does redirect you to the main page, which is only slightly different from the page you get when you are not logged in.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox hugs is this because of the meeting?

Vitaly

Namely, this text field should appear on the main page:

Jul 22 at 0:28, by Vitaly

KitFox

@MattЭллен All the meeting fallout.

Vitaly

But you left at that point without clarifying whether you were getting the search field.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox what have they got you doing?

KitFox

19:15

We met for two hours, then an hour with my boss, then about ten minutes a little bit ago with the big boss.

The big boss wanted to make himself feel better, so he popped in to make sure that I knew that he felt that I was a valuable employee.

Matt Эллен

well, I suppose that's better than a kick in the tits

KitFox

I have been instructed to doing a pointless training next Friday.

Which seems simple enough, except that it requires me to alter my entire development plan.

And for nothing.

Because they want to keep the money happy.

Matt Эллен

why is the training pointless?

KitFox

Seems like they could do that some other way.

Matt Эллен

I see

KitFox

19:17

@MattЭллен The users don't have accounts and won't be using the system until next year probably.

Robusto

@KitFox Tell them they're not clear on the principle involved. Money is supposed to keep you happy.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox ah. so the users will have forgotten about it by then

KitFox

It's not just that they will have forgotten about it, but also that the system will theoretically be new and improved by then, so they will have to be re-trained.

Matt Эллен

oh! well then it's even more pointless

KitFox

And in order to do this training, I will need to create new user accounts on the demo site, and then update the demo site with the new code, and then test the accounts.

Which I was planning to do anyway, because that's how we will train the incoming users this year.

Sonic The Hedgehog

19:19

It is a given that whatever people higher than you do is pointless.

KitFox

Except I was planning to do it after testing was finished next week.

Sonic The Hedgehog

Of course, in Kit's case, its even worse.

Matt Эллен

@SonicTheHedgehog yeah, most stoned people just giggle a lot.

KitFox

Now I have to do it before testing is finished, which means the stable demo will be a buggy beta demo instead.

Sonic The Hedgehog

Harry Potter and Stoned Sorcerers.

KitFox

19:20

But noöne cares about that except for me.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox how frustrating. that's no way to get things done

Vitaly

Incidentally, hey @Kit, I forget, what was that Harry Potter book you loved?

Sonic The Hedgehog

Harry Potter and I-want-to-go-into-your-Chamber-of-Secrets-if you-know-what-I-mean.

3

KitFox

@Vitaly Are you teasing me?

Vitaly

@KitFox No, I just want the link.

KitFox

19:21

hpmor.com

Vitaly

OK, thanks.

Sonic The Hedgehog

Harry Potter and Prisoner of Azkaban who-was-actually-innocent-but-because-of-Ministry-idiots.

KitFox

@Vitaly But you were the one who gave it to me. Did your system crash?

Sonic The Hedgehog

Harry Potter and Goblet of Troll fire.

Vitaly

@KitFox Hmmm, I might have drank too much tea with scones.

Matt Эллен

19:23

Henry Potter and the Day At The Garden Centre

Sonic The Hedgehog

Harry Potter and I-don't-give-Fawkes-about-your-Order-of-Phoenix.

KitFox

@Vitaly Well, it was Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality.

Sonic The Hedgehog

Harry Potter and Half-Emo-Prince.

KitFox

And it was by far the best evah.

Sonic The Hedgehog

I don't get Methods of Rationality one.

KitFox

19:24

Why does that not surprise me?

Sonic The Hedgehog

Why?

Matt Эллен

Where?

Sonic The Hedgehog

Who?

KitFox

Who now?

Matt Эллен

What the?

Sonic The Hedgehog

19:25

What?

How?

Matt Эллен

http://*

KitFox

Damn it. @Reg can you fix my link please?

@MattЭллен I missed the edit window.

Matt Эллен

:(

KitFox

@Shog could do it too I suppose, since he is right here.

Well, it doesn't matter, I suppose.

Matt Эллен

it's just a link. people who can't understand won't like the story anyway

KitFox

19:30

Makes me feel grouchy on top of being grouchy already.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@kit Sorry.

Matt Эллен

awww

KitFox

kicks codez

Mitch

@Vitaly everything mentioned at that site is crazy. pseudoscientific hogwash. Except for Feng Shui. What kind of crazy does -not- believe in that? That is truth.

@ΜετάEd I don't get it. There's no cat in that picture.

@KitFox emergency response alerted. await ambulance

user19161

@Mitch Then what is Feng Shui to you?

JSBձոգչ

19:43

their "harm caused by feng shui" examples seem pretty weak

user19161

To me, FS is total crap.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox Taco Queen

Robusto

@JSBձոգչ It's easy to dismiss the damage if it hasn't happened to you.

user19161

I changed my votes again, sigh. This election is giving me the headaches!

JSBձոգչ

@Robusto did you read the feng shui page? it's mostly "people attempt to sue and/or vandalize for reasons of feng shui, and then lose in court"

Shog9

19:45

@KitFox what now?

KitFox

@Shog9 Oh. Would you mind fixing my link up there?

JSBձոգչ

which is not so much harm caused by feng shui as harm caused by vandalism and lawyers

KitFox

38 mins ago, by KitFox

@Vitaly Well, it was Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality.

Mitch

@SonicTheHedgehog stop it stop it you're killing me.

@SonicTheHedgehog me neither. it's too much.

user19161

Yo @corn! I found out about Tim yesterday. :-)

cornbread ninja

19:47

@MattЭллен this reminds me that I haven't started my Writers exercise. :x

KitFox

@MattЭллен OK, that helps.

cornbread ninja

@JasperLoy :O what did you find out?

and hello!

Matt Эллен

@KitFox :)

user19161

@cornbreadninja Whatever was said, no more no less.

cornbread ninja

@JasperLoy I see. :)

KitFox

19:48

@Mitch It bugs me that so much of it is anecdotal.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Mitch :)

Mitch

@JSBձոգչ uh no. those are examples of where feng shui were -working-. If they had followed feng shui properly, none of the bad stuff would have happened.

cornbread ninja

@JasperLoy he was inspired to yell at EC via the election nomination comments

Mitch

@cornbreadninja you're blaming a bunch of stuff on this 'Tim' person? Haven't we established that 'Tim' is...

in quotes?

cornbread ninja

@Mitch I blame nothing on Tim but my happiness.

Sonic The Hedgehog

19:51

I leveled up to 24.

Mitch

@SonicTheHedgehog the first one started it...kinda dirty, but the rest kept me going. had to stop drinking...you know for fear of spewing out my nose on to the keyboard.

Sonic The Hedgehog

I still have to think about Deathly Hallows one.

Can't think of funny title to replace it...

cornbread ninja

@SonicTheHedgehog snert

@SonicTheHedgehog ummm hollows

Mitch

@cornbreadninja yeah, exactly. blame.

Sonic The Hedgehog

thinks thoughtfully

KitFox

19:52

Harry Potter and the Breathy Shallows.

Mitch

@cornbreadninja Oh you mean Tim or 'Tim'? It's hard to keep apart.

Sonic The Hedgehog

Hmm... still can't think of one.

Matt Эллен

Harry Potter and Kelsey Grammer

user19161

@Mitch You mean there is a Tim and a "Tim"? Geezis.

Sonic The Hedgehog

Ah well. Someday inspiration will perhaps come.

Gigili

19:53

Harry potter and 'a' vs 'an'

user19161

@MattЭллен Harry Potter and Matt Ellen.

cornbread ninja

@Mitch FFS, did you read the part of the transcript where I told Cerb that it was me?

JSBձոգչ

Harry Potter and the Green Orc Head

cornbread ninja

Harry Potter and the Unified Beard

Matt Эллен

People don't understand my half rhymes. fml

Sonic The Hedgehog

19:54

still is thinking

user19161

@cornbreadninja Wait, are you saying you are Tim? Geezis.

cornbread ninja

@JasperLoy leaves, slams door

Gigili

@MattЭллен Fool me langsamer?

Sonic The Hedgehog

I knew a jerk in the school I went to. His name was Tim.

Mitch

@JasperLoy Let me explain. This is an old joke schema about religion. Everyone hates everybody else's religion, and thinks theirs is great (Or if not great at least not disgusting like the others, or maybe it's just the current people running the show. Anyway. Given a list of outright insanities, the narrator of the joke says:

Matt Эллен

19:55

lol

Mitch

'That's all a load of crap'

KitFox

@Mitch there's?

Sonic The Hedgehog

There are gems among them, though.

Mitch

Except for one small item out of all of those. which is the narrator's religion//superstition/insanity.

KitFox

It's funny like that.

Mitch

19:56

@KitFox oh profanity.

Sonic The Hedgehog

Harry Potter and...

Ugh, can't think.

ΜετάEd

@Vitaly Yes, I am afraid I am out of luck as far as OED.

user19161

@Mitch Ah I see. TCM to me is also largely crap, but not entirely.

KitFox

Those conspiracy theories are all a load of garbage. Except for that one about the ZOG army.

Gigili

@Mitch What the hell, where is the close-parenthesis? Syntax error.

Mitch

19:57

@KitFox yeah, so it's effing hilarious, but explaining it, -especially- explaining it badly, just kills the joke entirely.

Robusto

@JSBձոգչ I was making light of the notion. I should have played it a little broader, I guess.

Mitch

also choosing something that is almost rational.

like feng shui.

ΜετάEd

@Mitch See! No shooter! conspiracy

Sonic The Hedgehog

feng shui?

Matt Эллен

@KitFox OMG, you believe in the ZOG army? How lame! Everyone knows the only credible conspiracy is of the lizard men who look like people and run our governments

Mitch

19:57

@Gigili shut up all of you. all this negativity. expectations of perfection.

Sonic The Hedgehog

With all those negative/positive energy and whatnot?

user19161

@Gigili It means he has not completed what he wants to say.

Sonic The Hedgehog

"We must have a flowing water..."

KitFox

@Mitch You should borrow Reg's Joke Decomposer.

user19161

@Mitch No perfection in this chat.

Mitch

19:58

@JasperLoy yes, thank you Jasper. exactly. I'm not finished yet.

where was I?

Sonic The Hedgehog

DIE, CONSPIRACY THEORIST

user19161

@Mitch You were in chat.

KitFox

ducks

Mitch

@JasperLoy Ok. um...how about now?

Gigili

@Mitch You wanted to shut up, IIRC.

Matt Эллен

19:59

@SonicTheHedgehog is this the beginning of a joke, in German?

user19161

@Mitch Same, still in chat.

Mitch

oh. hm. I'll have to think about that.

Sonic The Hedgehog

The question is, can any of you figure out where I live?

Mitch

@Gigili don't tsiwt my words.

Matt Эллен

@SonicTheHedgehog on Earth

Sonic The Hedgehog

20:00

@Matt WRONG!

Mitch

@SonicTheHedgehog that's easy but it wouldn't be right to say so out loud.

user19161

@SonicTheHedgehog Aren't you in the US now?

Sonic The Hedgehog

I am in a flat plane right next to earth in size of Saturn.

KitFox

@SonicTheHedgehog If you would kindly remove your tinfoil hat, I could give you a precise location.

Sonic The Hedgehog

Its called... Minecraft.

@Fit I never really understood "tinfoil hat" joke.

Matt Эллен

20:01

ah, so it is a German joke

Sonic The Hedgehog

What does it mean?

Matt Эллен

mein Kraft

user19161

@nathan Hi! What brings you here today?

Shog9

@KitFox ya, done

KitFox

Tin foil hat

A tin foil hat is a piece of headgear made from one or more sheets of aluminium foil or similar material. Alternatively it may be a conventional hat lined with foil. One may wear the hat in the belief that it shields the brain from electromagnetic fields; to prevent mind control and/or mind reading; or to limit the transmission of voices directly into the brain. The concept of wearing a tin foil hat for protection from such threats has become a popular stereotype and term of derision; the phrase serves as a byword for paranoia and persecutory delusions, and is associated with conspiracy ...

Mitch

20:02

anyway, feng shui has some rational elements to it. take, ladder placement. You do not want to place a ladder over a doorway. The ostensible mythic reason is because you might open a door ino it and cause the person on the ladder to fall, or knock the ladder on to yourself.

Nathan Wheeler

@JasperLoy people fighting...?

KitFox

@Shog9 Thank you!

user19161

@NathanWheeler Nobody's fighting here...

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Kit So you are professional Legilimency?

KitFox

@Mitch Don't forget the not having your back to a door or window so that ninjas can't sneak up on you!

Mitch

20:03

But the rational reason is that it interrupts the flow into the bedroom, which disrupts your chi. Your children will then all be female.

user19161

@KitFox Yeah cornbread is here.

Mitch

@KitFox exactly. that's part of the myth.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Mitch whats with your typos?

KitFox

@SonicTheHedgehog Not professional, but proficient.

Sonic The Hedgehog

First shirty, than shildren...

Mitch

20:04

@SonicTheHedgehog um I can't read spell check? Really, I try.

KitFox

Maybe he's eating crackers.

Sonic The Hedgehog

Hmm, crackers.

ΜετάEd

This room is now incomprehensible. Is that permitted without RegDwight?

KitFox

Was there a flag or something? We got a bunch of blue.

Sonic The Hedgehog

Yosemite Sam: Hmm, fresh coconut, mmm, fresh coconut milk, fresh coconut salad... flips the table over YUCK! I HATE coconuts! twenty years of coconuts!

user19161

20:05

No flag that I saw.

KitFox

Did someone start making sense?

Nathan Wheeler

@JasperLoy something got flagged in here and I came in to check it out...

Mitch

Oh it's comprehensible all right..if people would just check their spelling before submitting.

user19161

@NathanWheeler OK, was it something I said? If not never mind. If yes I would like to know.

ΜετάEd

@Mitch With thumbs?

Mitch

20:07

@Gigili I can confuse you without leaving parentheses unclosed. That's how good I am.

Nathan Wheeler

@JasperLoy no, and from all appearances it was innocent anyway, and someone else already dismissed the flag... no worries... I'll go back to my hole now :)

Sonic The Hedgehog

Pretty Women... the kind I'd like to meet...

Gigili

@Mitch I can mix you up with CR. That's how awesome I am.

Mitch

hm..spoke too soon.

@Gigili that was unkind. sulking unless of course that was meant literally like in a sausage.

Matt Эллен

spokes and spoons

user19161

20:08

I would actually like to talk to Carlo via email. But he did not leave his address there.

Matt Эллен

a limited metalworks shop

KitFox

Hey, if I ExecuteNonQuery, how do I grab the output parameter again?

Matt Эллен

are they passed by ref?

Sonic The Hedgehog

You grab it.

Gigili

@Mitch I can, but I do not. There is still a glimmer of hope.

Matt Эллен

20:09

because if so, then the values will just be there

KitFox

Oh wait, nvm. I forgot which direction I was going.

Mitch

@JasperLoy nobody can read anybody else's email except maybe mods.

user19161

@sonic Oh I still remember your email address.

Matt Эллен

@Mitch unless they put it in their description

user19161

@Mitch Yes I know. Carlo even said he will let me stay at his place if I went to Italy, not that I am going.

Sonic The Hedgehog

20:11

@Jasper Let me give you a new one.

Last one is currently compromised.

Mitch

@MetaEd "The neighbors both believed in feng shui, but didn't get along with each other. When one put a mirror on their house to reflect bad luck, the other did the same and the feud escalated." I thought you'd appreciate this.

Sonic The Hedgehog

Wait a minute...

If you put a mirror to reflect bad luck...

and put another mirror on the opposite side...

user19161

@SonicTheHedgehog Send it to my email then.

JSBձոգչ

well, here's something nice to read: clarkesworldmagazine.com/johnson_08_12

also nice and short

Sonic The Hedgehog

Than the bad luck would build up.

Mitch

20:12

@JasperLoy he said that to everybody who said something positive about a comment once.

(not to burst your bubble)

Sonic The Hedgehog

up to enough bad luck that it could get someone killed.

user19161

@Mitch No, he only said it to ME.

Mitch

sorry, 'no bubble'

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Jasper Forgot yours...

Mitch

and Best Regards too.

user19161

20:12

@SonicTheHedgehog WTH?

Sonic The Hedgehog

Sorry, bad memory.

Mitch

@MattЭллен Oh. Right. But that would be weird because there's an email field to put that in.

user19161

@SonicTheHedgehog Well, never mind then.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Jasper I'm sorry.

Gigili

@Mitch Is he going to throw a party or what?

Mitch

20:14

@SonicTheHedgehog yes...ergo 'escalate'.

user19161

@SonicTheHedgehog I still remember yours, so I know your name as well, if that is your real name there.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Jasper Yeah, like I would put my real name on emails.

Mitch

@Gigili No. No party. whatever it is it would not be fun.

user19161

@SonicTheHedgehog You mean that ZK is not you?

ΜετάEd

@Mitch Seems to me that's a perfect solution; just don't anybody walk into the yard between the two houses or they'll encounter a coherent beam of bad luck.

Sonic The Hedgehog

20:16

@Jasper ...no.

user19161

@SonicTheHedgehog OK, very secretive.

ΜετάEd

"Luck Amplication/Stimulated Ennervatio of Reflection"

user19161

I see the owl moving which means he is editing something...

Sonic The Hedgehog

the owl is on the move, over

Gigili

we are on it. over

user19161

20:21

the hedgehog just moved, over

Sonic The Hedgehog

last one didn't italicize, over

user19161

get some kimchi to bait the hedgehog, over

Sonic The Hedgehog

Kimchi?

What?

Where?

user19161

See, the hedgehog moved!

Sonic The Hedgehog

Who?

How?

user19161

20:23

@sonic I will send you an email at your old address and you tell me your new one OK?

Sonic The Hedgehog

K.

user19161

@SonicTheHedgehog Sent

Matt Эллен

@Mitch right, but that's not public. So if you want people to email you, how will they know it?

user19161

@sonic Your new email is... LOL

Mitch

@ΜετάEd oh that's the other rationality/fengshui thing...the myth is if you break a mirror, you might cut yourself on one of the glass pieces. But in this situation, the real thing is that the self-reinforcing mirrors will compound the bad luck, distort it into much worse than what bad there was before. And in the parallel mirrors case, that is just crazy bad.

Sonic The Hedgehog

20:26

Yep.

user19161

@SonicTheHedgehog Can I type the capital letters with small letters in the email?

ΜετάEd

@SonicTheHedgehog The laundry is out of the hamper.

Mitch

@MattЭллен they can't?

ΜετάEd

@Mitch Maybe we can raise Cthulhu.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Jasper Maybe. Try it.

Matt Эллен

20:28

@Mitch there you go! so that's why someone would put their email address in the description box

Mitch

Wouldn't it be weird to put your email out in public (Not just for random people reading your profile but for spammers collecting them automatically)?

@ΜετάEd That would be cool.

Matt Эллен

people do it all the time

user19161

@SonicTheHedgehog Done.

Mitch

except when you think about it.

@MattЭллен yeah, they shouldn't. Do they do it permanently or just temporarily?

Gigili

You should write it like Mitch [at] nowhere [dot] nothing.

user19161

20:29

@MattЭллен Yeah, like you on your site.

Mitch

@Gigili My AI has figured that one out.

Matt Эллен

@Mitch most emails that are on web pages are there for as long as the page is

Mitch

@MattЭллен but on the SE profile?

Matt Эллен

@Mitch oh, probably

Mitch

well, anyway, sure, make it public if you like.

Matt Эллен

20:30

Jon Skeet, Reading, United Kingdom

467k 138 2171 3531

c# java .net linq asp.net generics multithreading

his is publicly there right now

user19161

@sonic You changed your name again!

Matt Эллен

Hans Passant, Madison, WI

273k 21 139 336

c# .net winforms c++ vb.net windows winapi

his is disguised

Mitch

467K rep? That is a lot of answering.

Matt Эллен

Mr. Skeet is a legend

user19161

@Mitch SE should hire him full time to answer.

Mitch

20:32

How does he get >400 rep in a single day?

user19161

@Mitch accepts

Matt Эллен

accepts

jinx!

Gigili

They must promise to get a life ASAP.

user19161

I beat you @matt.

Matt Эллен

Marc Gravell ♦, Forest of Dean, UK

327k 38 706 1158

c# .net linq asp.net serialization linq-to-sql protobuf-net

email in profile

Mitch

20:32

@MattЭллен thems a lot of accepting.

Matt Эллен

so I guess many of the top rep users have it if it's in the first three I checked

Gigili

Accepts and bounties.

Mitch

@Gigili no, I think they found their life and it is SE.

just the amount of typing and reading necessary. impressive.

Matt Эллен

indeed

and Skeet has a wife and kids! can you believe it?

user19161

@MattЭллен While we have none! Can you believe it?

Matt Эллен

20:35

well, I know why I have haven't a wife or kids

so, yes

Mitch

@MattЭллен they talk to him via SE questions and chat.

Matt Эллен

lol

Gigili

Q: Dinner is ready, dear. When will you come?
A: Coming, coming.

Mitch

I want to set up an SE type chat room that is populated only by chat bots.

Q: can I pass you some peas?
A: Thanks, but no.

ΜετάEd

Are there chat bots for SE?

Mitch

20:38

@ΜετάEd Are you holding me to realistic possibility? Come on.

Vitaly

@ΜετάEd Yes.

Mitch

yeah it's just an idea. I could only seeing setting up a keyboard macro to do it.

Sonic The Hedgehog

We could name the bot Jarvis.

Luke

Why Jarvis?

Sonic The Hedgehog

Iron Man reference.

Mitch

20:42

@Vitaly realy? Links?

Vitaly

@Mitch I'm just aware that some even went so far as to visit this very room. I have been struggling to find that in the transcript for the last few minutes. No luck, sorry. People in the Ubuntu room might have a better idea.

Ah, yes:

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