English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

ΜετάEd

17:00

I was learning how to associate a Windows 7 file with a Windows XP Mode application.

tchrist

Alright, now I really am out of new pronouns.

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A: Using both “one’s” and “their” to refer to the same entity

Whether it makes the best possible sense, one cannot comment upon with certainty, but it is neither uncommon nor new to arrange one’s pronouns in this way. In this instance, you cannot help but wonder whether using two different pronouns necessarily implies two different referents, and so you re...

Off to $job.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@tchrist good luck.

tchrist

It's a 75-minute commute, one way. Sucks.

That's why I don't go much.

1pm meeting today. Must go.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@tchrist wait, is that your job?

then how do you not go much?

tchrist

WFH

Sonic The Hedgehog

17:04

?

Work for Home?

Cerberus

Good luck navigating the murky highways!

tchrist

Work From Home.

is gone

Sonic The Hedgehog

Close enough.

ΜετάEd

hands out antinouns

Vitaly

@tchrist I do remember reading something about dialectal variation in the grammaticality of using both one and they to refer to the same entity.

Sonic The Hedgehog

17:06

@tchrist But if you work from home, there is some bad things resulting from that.

I once read an article...

It tells you of the importance to not to work too much from home.

Vitaly

In The Cambridge Grammar of the English Language in a footnote, IIRC.

I might as well try to find it now.

Sonic The Hedgehog

Of course, with 75 minute commute...

user19161

@sonic Actually the hedgehog looks like a kitten too.

Sonic The Hedgehog

True, with quills, ears, etc.

Cerberus

> "The need to cleanse to keep moral purity intact, the 'Macbeth effect,' is a psychological phenomenon in which a person attempts to purify oneself in order to cope with feelings of moral distress," said lead researcher Dr. Andre Melzer. "We find that the Macbeth effect can result from playing violent videogames, especially when the game involves violence against humans."

techdirt.com/articles/20120723/06221619795/…

Mahnax

17:15

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Q: Some words that would be used in the US

What are the equivalent word or words that would be used in the US? Confectionery Crisps Curriculum vitae Cupboard Tap (for water) Queue Underground (metro) Courgette Noughts and crosses Cashier Braces Budgerigar Lift (in a building) Petrol Draughts (game) Curtains Motorway Pavement Dinner jack...

american-english

JSBձոգչ

so i just learned that the squash i'm eating is called pattypan squash

good to know

@Mahnax kill it!

Mahnax

@JSBձոգչ Please!

My vote is cast.

JSBձոգչ

mine too

user19161

@Mahnax You did not elect yourself?

Mahnax

@JasperLoy Nope.

Vitaly

17:20

All right, here's what I got so far (somewhat related):

> Indeed, for some speakers (primarily AmE) one can itself be the antecedent for a personal pronoun anaphor: i. %What is one to do when he is treated like this? ii. %One should do their best to ensure that such disputes are resolved amicably. Examples like [i] are now less common than they used to be, in like with the general decline in the use of the purportedly sex-neutral he. Type [ii] is quite rare: singular they is not well-established as anaphor to one.

Not what I had in mind though. Still trying to find that footnote.

user19161

Did anyone here get a strange email from TPTB?

KitFox

So I am back.

@Sonic, yes that site.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Kit Its been a year...

KitFox

And?

Sonic The Hedgehog

stares into blank space

Mahnax

17:26

@JasperLoy I did not get one.

Vitaly

Me neither.

KitFox

@JasperLoy No, did you?

Sonic The Hedgehog

Vitaly

And I give up on trying to find that footnote.

user19161

@Mahnax I see. Some people in the math room are saying they got one, and when I asked them what it was, they mysteriously declined to answer twice, which shows it is a secret. So I am puzzled.

user19161

17:27

I did not get any.

Mahnax

Interesting.

JSBձոգչ

i got nothing

KitFox

Probably something disciplinary. I hear they are pretty rough over there.

Which people?

user19161

But those users are respected users who contribute a lot, even running for mod.

Mahnax

It's likely specific to Maths.SE.

user19161

17:28

Anyway, I shan't try to guess anymore.

KitFox

Maybe they are looking for a temp mod because they plan to boot someone.

Robusto

@KitFox What if it doesn't take the first time? Will they have to reboot him?

Sonic The Hedgehog

Mahnax

Oh, JLG answered the question. Too bad.

Robusto

@SonicTheHedgehog I'm fine with letting you die if you want to. But not when you apply that stuff to innocent children.

Mitch

17:32

@JasperLoy If I said I had got one, and you asked what was in it, I'd have to not respond.

Because I didn't get one.

KitFox

@Robusto It's not that they don't believe in doctors, though. What a silly thing to say.

Mitch

@KitFox I don't think you can say that. It really does come across that they don't want human intervention at all. which is essentially (if not outright) saying "I don't believe in doctors (or medicine)"

Robusto

@KitFox I think it is clear that I meant they don't believe in using doctors. Do I have to spell everything out to six decimal places?

Mitch

Yeah. Using or believing, what's the difference. the kid is still dying.

KitFox

They believe in it. They aren't crazy. Just sickness and accidents are God's will and you don't mess with God. They are very Darwinian like that. Ironically.

Mitch

17:36

@KitFox sure, they don't go walking in traffic.

user19161

@Robusto Sonic can also be considered an innocent child. :-)

Mitch

that's rational.

KitFox

My great aunt was Christian Scientist. She died believing she was headed straight to Hell.

Mitch

but they seem not to believe in germ theory, which (lack of belief) was rational before the invention of the microscope, but not after.

KitFox

@Mitch But I mean, it's not like they think medicine doesn't work or that it is Satan's magic or something.

Sonic The Hedgehog

17:37

Listen, if you take a peek inside Christianity SE chatroom, you don't see people venting out frustrations about silly things atheists do.

KitFox

What silly things do we do?

Sonic The Hedgehog

not silly to you.

and things you think is silly is not silly to us.

Mitch

@SonicTheHedgehog well.. maybe they're just nicer people?

Sonic The Hedgehog

complaining about it won't help whatsoever.

KitFox

Like what do christians think is something silly that atheists do?

Eat without praying first?

Sonic The Hedgehog

17:38

The only way to converse peacefully is to think that nobody is right.

Shog9

@KitFox /r/athiesm ... ;-P

Sonic The Hedgehog

Think about it.

You can't just say whatever you think just because you think you are right.

KitFox

Hi @Shog!

Mahnax

@Shog9 On that note, Sonic was posting a bunch of stuff from /r/aww here not too long ago.

Mitch

@KitFox I read that as 'eat without paying first'.

which is bad in a grocery store.

KitFox

17:39

Hahaha.

Mitch

but OK at a fancy restaurant

Shog9

@Mahnax I have a cache of fresh puppies. No need for more aww

Mahnax

@Shog9 A whole cache of them? Impressive.

KitFox

But I am serious. What do christians think is something silly that atheists do? I am intensely curious.

Mahnax

Yeah, I would like to know too.

JSBձոգչ

17:40

@KitFox kill unborn babies

ducks

KitFox

That's not silly and plenty of non-atheists do that.

Sonic The Hedgehog

If I say that, that will lead to another heated argument, won't it?

JSBձոգչ

@KitFox granted

Sonic The Hedgehog

shrugs

KitFox

I'm not planning on arguing. I am intensely curious.

user19161

17:41

@JSBձոգչ Ah, but that is not clearly a Christian vs atheist issue right?

Mahnax

I would like to hear, and quick please, I have to leave right away.

Sonic The Hedgehog

I suggest you go to Christianity chatroom and ask it.

JSBձոգչ

i actually don't think that there is a good parallel

KitFox

FFS.

Sonic The Hedgehog

I can't just give my own opinions.

KitFox

17:41

Then I shall be forced to conclude that it is because atheists don't actually do silly things. Only religious people.

JSBձոգչ

the atheist line about theists is that they are irrational, and so they find theistic things to be silly

while the theist line about atheists is that they are immoral, so they find atheistic things to be wicked

Shog9

@KitFox Off the top of my head, the most obvious would be the lengths people go to to avoid death (or avoid talking about death) can seem silly to someone who believes death is merely a transition.

Sonic The Hedgehog

Rule of a thumb; anybody who thinks they are the ones who are right and bitches about everyone else doing wrong, atheist of theist, you are doing it wrong.

Gigili

@KitFox Almost everything atheists do sounds silly to me. Hope that helps.

Matt Эллен

@Gigili you mean do differently to theists?

user19161

17:43

@SonicTheHedgehog Well, as long as the argument is controlled and does not go overboard it is fine. All things are permissible in moderation.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Jasper Ah, but it goes overboard ALL the time.

That's the problem.

Matt Эллен

except moderation. noöne should ever be moderate

user19161

@SonicTheHedgehog If you feel so, just ignore everyone. Sometimes I do that as well.

Sonic The Hedgehog

Theists shouldn't shove biblical verses down to others' throat, and nether should atheists.

You think are right, good for you.

But keep it to yourself.

I am getting tired.

Cerberus

@Shog9 This has made me wonder since I was a child, and it still does.

Gigili

17:45

@MattЭллен I don't understand your question.

Mahnax

Yesterday at work, some people from a church gave me a tract.

Gigili

pretends to be asleep

Mahnax

Oh, rats. Looks like Gigi's drifted off to sleep again.

JSBձոգչ

@KitFox as i said in my following lines, you're not likely to find a lot of things that atheists do which religious people consider silly, but you'll find plenty that are considered wrong. because the two positions are not simple converses of each other

Matt Эллен

@Gigili well, there are plenty of things that atheists do that theists do. If you find those things silly, you find theists silly too, no?

Cerberus

17:46

Why mourn a dead baby, knowing that babies are innocent and probably go straight to heaven, being spared the ordeal of earthly life?

Vitaly

@SonicTheHedgehog And the Universe stands indifferent to those differences in opinions. If someone believes that they will fly if they jump off a building, the laws of physics aren't going to start quoting the human line that “everyone is entitled to their opinion.” They aren't human. They aren't social. They don't care about primate hierarchy in human societies. They are the ultimate judge of what's true and what isn't.

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Matt Эллен

@Cerberus depends on your branch - some believe unbaptised babies go to limbo

ΜετάEd

@Cerberus I think I need to wash my hands after reading that article.

JSBձոգչ

@Vitaly tru dat

Sonic The Hedgehog

@vitaly Talking about universe when we didn't even uncover the 10 percent of it?

Mahnax

17:48

Work, bye.

Cerberus

@MattЭллен I suppose that is possible...

Matt Эллен

@Mahnax CU

ΜετάEd

@MattЭллен I thought limbo had been jettisoned recently.

Vitaly

If the fact that you won't fly if you jump off a building is in those 10 discovered per cent, you might as well try and not believe that you will.

user19161

@Cerberus I can give an answer to that. Because they are sad they have lost the baby for themselves.

Vitaly

17:48

Also, non sequitur.

Cerberus

@ΜετάEd You feel like a criminal for reading it?

Matt Эллен

@ΜετάEd could be. I don't keep up with these things. I'm going on my spotty memory

JSBձոգչ

@ΜετάEd no, that was a really bad media interpretation of something the Pope alluded to in one encyclical

(media coverage of religion is as bad as media coverage of science)

Cerberus

@JasperLoy But they will see the baby again shortly.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Vitaly Bible doesn't deny the law of physics to my extent of knowledge. I do not see where you are going with that.

user19161

17:49

@Cerberus But they still need to mourn now.

Cerberus

They should rather get over their own concerns and celebrate the baby's luck.

Sonic The Hedgehog

However me discussing further would be contradicting my own words.

Cerberus

Oh, well, why am I arguing about this anyway.

user19161

I have a theory which reconciles atheism, Buddhism and Christianity, so that all three groups will start to agree on some things. But I shan't share here now.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Cerb I ask the same question.

Cerberus

17:50

Good.

ΜετάEd

@JSBձոգչ Media coverage is always bad in areas that I actually know something about. I tend to assume it does the same in all areas.

JSBձոգչ

@Cerberus a lot of people are comforted by this thought. but knowing that a person is happy in a place you have never been doesn't necessarily make you miss that person less

Matt Эллен

> display screens that are not centered on the front surface of the phone

Sonic The Hedgehog

Atheism, Buddhism and Christianity do agree on some things.

Matt Эллен

that might be pretty cool

Sonic The Hedgehog

17:51

The Golden Rule.

"Don't do to others which you won't do to yourself"... or something along that line.

I'm sure everybody agrees with that statement.

Matt Эллен

that's the silver rule

the golden rule is

"do unto others as you would have them do unto you"

Cerberus

@JSBձոգչ Still, I would have expected some considerable effect compared to when atheists lose a loved one.

ΜετάEd

Biblically speaking, when you die, you're dead until the judgment.

Robusto

@SonicTheHedgehog What if you would throw yourself on a burning pyre in the name of your god? I sure don't want you doing that to me.

ΜετάEd

So you don't see your relatives and so on. Until Judgment Day.

Sonic The Hedgehog

17:52

@Matt umm... that's the same thing.

Matt Эллен

@SonicTheHedgehog not exactly

Sonic The Hedgehog

@robusto Uh, yeah. You might think that I am crazy.

Matt Эллен

not doing things to people is not thesame as doing things to people

JSBձոգչ

@Cerberus i have found the effect to be considerable.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Robusto But no gonna do it to other people

JSBձոգչ

17:53

in my experience christian funerals are significantly different from atheist funerals

Sonic The Hedgehog

Don't want to go into the fire? Fine. I'm not gonna force you.

Matt Эллен

Golden Rule

The Golden Rule or ethic of reciprocity is a maxim, ethical code, or morality Walter Terence Stace argued that the Golden Rule is much more than simply an ethical code. Instead, he posits, it "express[es] the essence of a universal morality." The rationale for this crucial distinction occupies much of his book The Concept of Morals (1937): – (above quote found p. 136, ch. 6) that essentially states either of the following: * (Positive form): One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself. * (Negative/prohibitive form, also called the Silver Rule): One should not tr...

Silver Rule

The Silver Rule, "Do not do unto others what you would not have them do unto you", is a standard of behaviour found in the writings of, amongst others, Hillel the Elder. It is related to the ethical principle of the Golden Rule. The Silver Rule is similar in meaning to the Hippocratic Oath, known best for the declaration "do no harm". Hippocrates wrote, in his Epidemics, Bk. I, Sect. XI. "Declare the past, diagnose the present, foretell the future; practice these acts. As to diseases, make a habit of two things — to help, or at least to do no harm." The shorter expression might be interp...

Robusto

@SonicTheHedgehog You might not. But your fellow believers might. And, incidentally, have.

Gigili

@MattЭллен No, it's silly because atheists do them. If it's done by a theist, it's not silly any more.

Matt Эллен

@Gigili gotcha!

Sonic The Hedgehog

17:54

@robusto and I congratulate them in their faith. Do you have problem with that?

Gigili

@Mahnax Bite.

Sonic The Hedgehog

If you have problems with things we do, keep it to yourself.

Robusto

@SonicTheHedgehog Do I have a problem with people throwing other people in fires? Yes.

Sonic The Hedgehog

@robusto Listen, we do NOT throw other people into the fire.

Robusto

@SonicTheHedgehog Christians have never done that?

Sonic The Hedgehog

17:56

@robusto if you need help with knowledge of that particular subject, ask it on Christianity SE.

JSBձոգչ

actually i believe the argument is that Xians have never thrown themselves into the fire

(which AFAIK is true)

Sonic The Hedgehog

And anyhow, this is incomprehensible room.

Robusto

The argument is about Christians throwing other people into fires. Which they have.

Sonic The Hedgehog

We swayed WAY far from the subject.

@Robusto Uhh... proof?

Matt Эллен

@SonicTheHedgehog you're right - they've never thrown people, just tied them to stakes and built pyres around them and then set the pyres on fire.

Sonic The Hedgehog

17:57

There are many denominations of Christianity.

Cerberus

@JSBձոգչ Hmm I have not.

Matt Эллен

admitedly that was some time ago

Sonic The Hedgehog

just saying Christianity is gross generalization.

Robusto

Inquisition

The Inquisition, Inquisitio Haereticae Pravitatis (inquiry on heretical perversity), was a group of decentralized institutions within the justice system of the Roman Catholic Church whose aim was to "fight against heretics". It started in 12th century France to persecute heresy, and was later expanded to other European countries. Inquisition practices were used also on offences against canon law other than heresy. Definition The term "Inquisition" can apply to any one of several institutions which fought against heretics (or other offenders against canon law) within the justice-system...

> In practice, the Inquisition would not itself pronounce sentence, but handed over convicted heretics to secular authorities for the punishment deemed fitting by the Church.[10] The laws were inclusive of proscriptions against certain religious crimes (heresy, etc.), and the punishments included death by burning.

user19161

Why does this room always get into a religious argument? I wonder...

Matt Эллен

17:58

because people like a bit of drama

Sonic The Hedgehog

@Robusto Didn't Atheists also do that?

KitFox

@JSBձոգչ So I guess then that theists have no sense of humor about the things atheists do?

We are not perceived as silly, but rather just evil?

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