English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Matt Эллен

13:03

Where would Gen Ref hardliners fit?

Cerberus

Proscriptive?

What would it proscribe?

RegDwight АΑA

Scripts.

It would be pro scripts.

ΜετάEd

@Cerberus Just making my little joke. You can see what side I'm on, obviously.

"That is NOT ALLOWED!"

RegDwight АΑA

I'm firmly in the Antiscriptive Party.

Jez

can anyone think of a word like "caroon" that means "go wildly"? I'm sure I've heard of expressions like "it's carooning through the sky", no?

Matt Эллен

13:04

@RegDwightАΑA as opposed to amateur

@Jez careen?

Cerberus

@ΜετάEd Ah OK...so you would be on the tollllerant side?

Matt Эллен

@Jez career?

RegDwight АΑA

@Cerberus to little L's.

Cerberus

There.

Jez

ah yes, careen

Cerberus

13:05

That's all I've got.

Jez

that's it

RegDwight АΑA

Stillll to lllllittlllle.

Matt Эллен

excellent!

Cerberus

Then fix (it) yourself.

ΜετάEd

@Cerberus Yes. Speling is over ated.

RegDwight АΑA

13:05

I've not the time.

Cerberus

Very.

ΜετάEd

Just ask Shaxpur.

Cerberus

Of course. You are busy chatting.

RegDwight АΑA

I over ated a carrot just a minute ago.

Cerberus

How awkward.

RegDwight АΑA

13:06

A++ would over ate again.

Noah

AAA

Robusto

@RegDwightАΑA Here, have another: ^.

Noah

Rob is online

RegDwight АΑA

@Robusto I couldn't caret less about your help.

Noah

welcome

Robusto

13:08

Thank you.

@RegDwightАΑA But carets are a great source of vitamin alpha.

RegDwight АΑA

Carlo, have you considered TV, radio, and newspaper ads? — jwpat7 9 hours ago

This made me lul.

Robusto

Purty funny.

RegDwight АΑA

@Robusto sorry, I can't hear your caretless whisper.

Robusto

@RegDwightАΑA Despite your truculence I'm going to give you a nice little gift: ^^. Put them together the right way and you have a two-caret diamond.

RegDwight АΑA

puts together...

◊

Robusto

13:12

Nice. I knew a Lego™ man like yourself could figure it out.

RegDwight АΑA

That ain't a diamond. That's a lozenge.

Robusto

@RegDwightАΑA Maybe it's a suppository. Try using it that way.

RegDwight АΑA

Now it fell over and doesn't look like anything anymore.

□

Cerberus

@Mahnax Do you experience the battery drain people are reporting with Mountain Lion?

How long have you had it installed?

Robusto

@RegDwightАΑA Suppositories aren't supposed to go in sideways. You're doing it wrong.

ΜετάEd

13:18

Instead of a suppository try a hypothetical.

Matt Эллен

that does sound less uncomfortable

Robusto

Gotta go run errands. Laters.

ΜετάEd

Bring us back some gerunds, willya?

tchrist

starts handing out ◈s

tosses @MattЭллен a 🃃

Matt Эллен

mmmm 01F0C3, my favourite

tchrist

13:33

pitches a 💠 over @Cerberus’s way

Cerberus

Can't see it!

Give me a font, dammit!

tchrist

riffles through the rest of his deck: ⃟ ⋄ ⌺ ⍚ ◆ ◇ ◈ ◊ ♢ ♦ ❖ ⟐ ⟠ ⟡ ⟢ ⟣ ⤝ ⤞ ⤟ ⤠ ⧪ ⧫ ⧰ ⧱ ⬖ ⬗ ⬘ ⬙ ⬥ ⬦ ⬧ ⬨ ⬩ ⬪ ⬫ 💠 🔶 🔷 🔸 🔹 🝔

starts laying out 🃁 🃂 🃃 🃄 🃅 🃆 🃇 🃈 🃉 🃊 🃋 🃌 🃍 🃎

user23679

does anyone know a site, or more likely a google query, that can help me locate examples of usage for a specific word?

tchrist

checks his 📃s

@user23679 Try Google Books.

@Cerberus Well ok, maybe they’re just regular old et instances. At the start of the bottom and 4th-from-the-bottom line, for example.

ΜετάEd

13:48

@tchrist Damn you, browser.

tchrist

HIC SVNT 🀄S 🐉QVE

ΜετάEd

More boxen.

Even using the big O.

tchrist

Blame $Bill.

Have you rebooted?

ΜετάEd

I blame Bill.

I hate rebooting. I'm a UNIX guy.

Server uptime should be measured in years.

I'm a VAX guy too.

Cluster uptime should be measured in decades.

Fuck rebooting.

:-)

tchrist

PDP11s had a cleaner instruction set.

Vaxen made more $$$.

ΜετάEd

13:55

Yeah, well, the PDP-8 was cleaner still. Turns out when you have fewer bits you don't need so many bells and whistles.

I say let's go back to 1 bit. Then you don't even need shift instructions.

tchrist

7:56AM up 235 days, 19:46, 3 users, load averages: 0.35, 0.19, 0.17

I hate rebooting.

ΜετάEd

That's what I'm talking about.

Cerberus

@tchrist Yup, that's regular et.

But well spotted.

@tchrist Have I asked you whether you play Bridge yet?

tchrist

@Cerberus No.

Sheepshead.

Cerberus

Scuse me?

Then I hereby ask it.

ΜετάEd

14:00

openvms.org/stories.php?story=06/01/08/4531954

tchrist

No, I have never mastered Bridge. I play Euchre and Sheepshead.

Cerberus

Ah.

Try Bridge sometime, it is fun.

ΜετάEd

@tchrist I don't think you should admit that in public.

tchrist

@Cerberus The second word in on the bottom line is non. The first word on the line above it seems to be d?pponant, but I can’t resolve the front into something that works for Latin.

RegDwight АΑA

@user23679 any dictionary?

tchrist

14:06

@RegDwightАΑA Many, perhaps most, of these nightflying online free dictionaries have no examples.

RegDwight АΑA

@tchrist okay, any good dictionary.

tchrist

@Cerberus found tantum. Eventually things start to gel. You have to get used to the hand.

RegDwight АΑA

But seriously, the ones I come across on a regular basis all have examples. And I am not cherry-picking them. I just click on the top search result.

Cerberus

12 hours ago, by Cerberus

ΜετάEd

@cornbreadninja Mary Blige don't make good pige.

tchrist

14:09

@RegDwightАΑA Lots of the stuff that onelook gives you is lame.

Cerberus

@tchrist Non is correct! The other word is disponant.

@tchrist Exactly, time helps.

tchrist

I was wondering whether that was it. I was trying to convince myself there were two letters there.

Oh wait, it's a long s.

That's why I read two p's, which I couldn't make work.

That's so mean.

Cerberus

Yup.

Hehe.

The first line starts with In Nomi[n]e d[omi]ni ame[n].

tchrist

Not much left of domini.

I don't know how you can tell which letter something is with all those minims run together.

Cerberus

The conventional abbreviation is dn + ending, so dns, dni, dno, dnum...

RegDwight АΑA

14:13

@tchrist I don't use lots of the stuff that OneLook gives me. I don't even use OneLook. I use Google to find a good dictionary or five, and then stick with those.

tchrist

Like nomine. There are so many ways to attribute the single lines in min

ΜετάEd

in nomine domini hominy

Cerberus

@tchrist Yes, the "legs" of i/u/n/m as we call them often leave open many interpretations.

But there are many conventions.

A general mark of abbreviation is very often used to mark an omitted n or m.

So n/m is the first thing you think of when you see it.

As in nomine and amen.

inkunabeln.ub.uni-koeln.de/vdibProduction/handapparat/nachs_w/…

Here you can look up common but idiomatic abbreviations.

Like dns.

tchrist

@Cerberus Th othr prblm I hv wth al ths z tht it rdz 2 mch lk txtspk, U knw, wth th urj 2 abrv8 & sv ltrz whrvr psbl. It cn rly nfr8 U fndng thm, o rthr, nt dng so.

Cerberus

Urj?

Nfr8?

But you are right.

The motivation is the same: you save time and space.

Like a low-tech wormhole.

tchrist

14:20

The other problem I have with all this is that it reads too much like textspeak, you know, with the urge to abbreviate and save letters wherever possible. It can really enfuriate you finding them, or rather, not doing so.

Th othr prblm I hv wth al ths z tht it rdz 2 mch lk txtspk, U knw, wth th urj 2 abrvt & sv ltrz whrvr psbl. It cn rly nfrt U fndng thm, o rthr, nt dng so.

Yes, I was looking through the d’s just now.

Cerberus

Ah, I was reading urj as yourjay or something.

tchrist

𝕴 𝖗𝖑𝖞 𝖍8 𝖗𝖉𝖓𝖌 𝖉𝖓𝖘 & 𝖉𝖗𝖐 𝖇𝖑𝖐𝖑𝖙𝖗 𝖋𝖘𝖘.

Cerberus

I really hate those question diamonds. They are also in Maro Kart.

Did you see the diamonds too?

tchrist

That is really strange. The correct phrase printed here, and then after a moment it turned into a double diamond.

Cerberus

Ah.

That is SE applying formatting to the lines.

tchrist

14:23

The double-diamond is from idiot UTF-16 systems counting a post-BMP code point as two surrogates.

And putting a diamond in for each surrogate.

Cerberus

Tell SE.

tchrist

I bitch at then about their surrogate problem all the time. Does no good.

ΜετάEd

Idiot UTF-16 systems: that's Bill again.

tchrist

Yes, I know.

ΜετάEd

What's the SE platform?

tchrist

14:25

Did you know that the things that allegedy count characters, like limits on comment length, do not really do so?

They count 16-bit code units. Liars!!

I think they are using C#.

Cerberus

Evil.

tchrist

Their regexes for detecting punctuation is also antediluvian, watch: peaches' vs peaches’

Oh, they fixed it.

Or maybe not. *I’*ve one thing. *I'*ve one thing.

ΜετάEd

They should really just count bits.

tchrist

Hm, can't remember what it is, but if you use curly quotes, it screws up formatting sometimes.

They should count characters like they bloody well tell you they are doing. They lie.

ΜετάEd

In fact they should just count 1-bits. 0-bits don't have any real existence.

Yesterday's coffee is more substantial than a 0-bit.

tchrist

14:28

They're Platonics.

ΜετάEd

There's room here for a pun about plate tectonics but I'm going to let it slide.

tchrist

I cannot understand why they convert the first blackletter e in 𝖇𝖑𝖆𝖈𝖐𝖑𝖊𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗 into a pair of surrogates and thence to the REPLACEMENT CHARACTER diamond, yet leave the second one alone.

Oh, there they didn't do it.

𝕴 𝖗𝖊𝖆𝖑𝖑𝖞 𝖍𝖆𝖙𝖊 𝖗𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝖉𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖊 𝖆𝖓𝖉 𝖉𝖆𝖗𝖐 𝖇𝖑𝖆𝖈𝖐𝖑�‌�𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗 𝖋𝖆𝖈𝖊𝖘.

See!!?

There they did.

After a second.

RegDwight АΑA

I'm not sure I'm seeing what you're seeing.

Cerberus

Can you paste it again?

tchrist

𝕴 𝖗𝖊𝖆𝖑𝖑𝖞 𝖍𝖆𝖙𝖊 𝖗𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝖉𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖊 𝖆𝖓𝖉 𝖉𝖆𝖗𝖐 𝖇𝖑𝖆𝖈𝖐𝖑�‌�𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗 𝖋𝖆𝖈𝖊𝖘. 𝕴 𝖗𝖊𝖆𝖑𝖑𝖞 𝖍𝖆𝖙𝖊 𝖗𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝖉𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖊 𝖆𝖓𝖉 𝖉𝖆𝖗𝖐 𝖇𝖑𝖆𝖈𝖐𝖑�‌�𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗 𝖋𝖆𝖈𝖊𝖘. 𝕴 𝖗𝖊𝖆𝖑𝖑𝖞 𝖍𝖆𝖙𝖊 𝖗𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝖉𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖊 𝖆𝖓𝖉 𝖉𝖆𝖗𝖐 𝖇𝖑𝖆𝖈𝖐𝖑�‌�𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗 𝖋𝖆𝖈𝖊𝖘.

Cerberus

14:31

I see the diamonds immediately.

RegDwight АΑA

No changes here.

tchrist

The first "e" in "blackletter" gets printed correctly, then changes into a double-diamond (replacement character pair for two surrogates) after a second or two.

Cerberus

Probably because the line is displayed immediately for the poster, but only after formatting for the others.

tchrist

And it did that in each of the 3 instances of the word blackletter on that triple pasted line. But not when I type 𝖇𝖑𝖆𝖈𝖐𝖑𝖊𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗 by itself.

Cerberus

I also often see the site work to convert my *blah* into blah.

RegDwight АΑA

14:33

@tchrist I only see a hole in the text there.

Cerberus

It displays *blah* first.

tchrist

Holy cow, the x-height of the blackletter font is teeny! The full extender letters barely match the x-height of the surrounding text.

Cerberus

@RegDwightАΑA You're weird.

I see the e's perfectly in the last example.

tchrist

You see a hole better the L and the TTER? 𝖇𝖑𝖆𝖈𝖐𝖑�‌�𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗

Cerberus

I see diamonds.

tchrist

14:34

𝖇𝖑𝖆𝖈𝖐𝖑�‌�𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗 vs 𝖇𝖑𝖆𝖈𝖐𝖑𝖊𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗. So weird.

RegDwight АΑA

tchrist

You don't have letters at all!

Cerberus

Uh, oh.

RegDwight АΑA

I'm fresh out of them.

Cerberus

I didn't know you were that illiterate.

tchrist

14:35

@Cerberus Do you see the blackletter text?

Cerberus

Yes.

tchrist

Poor reg.

He's been missing all my best bits.

Cerberus

I everything perfectly, except that there are diamonds where you describe them.

tchrist

Yes, so you and I see the same.

Cerberus

@tchrist Nice opening line.

RegDwight АΑA

14:35

@tchrist I'll check again at work.

Cerberus

"Hello, you've been missing all my best bits."

RegDwight АΑA

Aug 1 at 13:51, by RegDwight АΑA

This was at work.

tchrist

That is what I see.

RegDwight АΑA

This is at home now.

Cerberus

Ahh!

tchrist

14:37

You probably have no font installed with the MATHEMATICAL letters.

Cerberus

What browser are you on?

RegDwight АΑA

Chrome. Vista. No modifications. And it stays that way.

tchrist

I think I get mine from George Douros’s Symbola font I keep pushing.

Cerberus

@RegDwightАΑA I am at your work too.

tchrist

But are you running Mountain Lion?

Cerberus

14:37

Yes, the latest Mountain Lion Vista.

RegDwight АΑA

Mountain Vista.

No Lions involved.

Cerberus

Not Mountain View?

tchrist

How are your Emoji?

Code Emoji: $motto = "👪 💗 🐪";
Botanical Emoji: ☘ 🌲 🌴 🌵 🌷 🌸 🌹 🌺 🌻 🌼 🌽 🌾 🌿 🍀 🍁 🍂 🍉 🍌 🍒 🍓
Critters Emoji: 🐪 🐫 🐌 🐍 🐎 🐒 🐔 🐖 🐙 🐛 🐜 🐝 🐞 🐠 🐡 🐣 🐤 🐥 🐦 🐧 🐬
Critter Faces Emoji: 🐭 🐮 🐯 🐰 🐱 🐲 🐳 🐴 🐵 🐶 🐷 🐸 🐹 🐺 🐻 🐼
Emoji Warnings: 💣 👽 👾 💩 💥 💫 ⚠
Human Emotica: 😂 😅 😆 😇 😈 😤 😥 😨 😱 😲 😷
Feline Emotica: 😸 😹 😺 😻 😼 😽 😾 😿 🙀

RegDwight АΑA

@tchrist I can't begin to express how long the pole is I'm not touching anything of Steve Jobs' with.

tchrist

Devanagari: This ४५६७ is 4567.
Hebrew/Bidirectional blend: The Hebrew alphabet is ‪אָלֶף־בֵּית עִבְרִי‬ and written right to left.
Cherokee: ᎣᎤᎦᎧᎨᎩᎪᎫᎬᎭᎮᎯᎰᎱᎲᎴᎵᎶᎸᎹᎺᎼᎽᎾᎿᏀᏁᏂᏃᏄᏅᏆᏇᏈᏉᏊᏋᏌᏍᏎᏏᏐᏑᏓᏔᏕᏖᏗᏘᏙᏛᏜᏝᏠᏡᏣᏤᏥᏧᏨᏩᏪᏫᏬᏭᏮᏯᏰᏱᏲᏳ

Math letters: 𝒜 𝒟 𝔅 𝔎 𝔼 𝔽
Runics: ᚠᚡᚤᚥᚦᚨᚩᚫᚬᚭᚯᚰᚱᚲᚳᚴᚵᚷᚸᚹᚺᚼᛈᛉᛊᛋᛏᛒᛓᛖᛗᛘᛝᛠᛡᛢᛣᛤᛥᛩᛪ᛫᛬᛭ᛮᛯᛰ

Deseret blend: The Mormons invented the 𐐔𐐯𐑅𐐨𐑉𐐯𐐻 script.
Gothic blend: “𐌰𐍄𐍄𐌰 𐌿𐌽𐍃𐌰𐍂 𐌸𐌿 𐌹𐌽 𐌷𐌹𐌼𐌹𐌽𐌰𐌼” is Gothic for “Atta unsar þu in himinam”.
Hieroglyphics: 𓀂 𓀃 𓀄 𓀅 𓀆 𓀗 𓀘 𓀙 𓀫 𓀬 𓀭 𓀮 𓀯 𓁉

Cerberus

14:39

tchrist

I especially like the Gothic.

RegDwight АΑA

Cerberus

tchrist

That isn't bad.

The Planets: ☿ ♀ ♁ ♂ ♃ ♄ ♅ ♆ ♇
The Zodiac: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ ♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Recycling signs: ♲ ♳ ♴ ♵ ♶ ♷ ♸ ♹ ♺ ♻ ♼ ♽
Sexuality: ⚲ ♀ ♂ ⚢ ⚣ ⚤ ⚥ ⚦ ⚧ ⚨ ⚩
Musical Notes: 𝅗𝅥 𝅘𝅥 𝅘𝅥𝅮 𝅘𝅥𝅯 𝅘𝅥𝅰 𝅘𝅥𝅱 𝅘𝅥𝅲
Clock Faces: 🕐 🕒 🕔 🕘 🕜 🕠 🕤 🕧

Cerberus

I don't need those Asian faces, I should think.

I should like those musical notes, however.

RegDwight АΑA

14:40

tchrist

Not much sex for you, then.

RegDwight АΑA

Finally some notes I can play a prima vista!

Cerberus

Hehe.

RegDwight АΑA

@tchrist all sexes that I need.

Cerberus

So where can I get the notes?

tchrist

14:41

hands Reg a dual

Southerners always use all for two things. Where I grew up, this is weird.

They say y'all for two people.

I say you both.

RegDwight АΑA

Well this is fun but I need groceries. Lator's.

tchrist

@Cerberus Musica.

Cerberus

OK thanks.

@tchrist Only with "y"?

tchrist

It's the one from George Douros.

I fear there are multiple fonts by the same name floating about.

ponders how one might spell Musica with a y

upsilon switch, maybe.

Robusto

@tchrist In Chicago, blue-collar people say "youse* to indicate plural, as in "I don't wanna hear nuttin' from youse guys no more."

ΜετάEd

14:45

@RegDwightАΑA Now you're just bragging.

tchrist

@Robusto That's wise-guys talk. I grew up very close to Chicago, and we never said that.

Lake Geneva is only about 75 miles from O’Hare.

Wiseguys means gangsters.

Cerberus

I see the notes!

tchrist

What did you do?

Cerberus

Installed Musica Western.

tchrist

Ah.

Cerberus

14:46

No refresh needed.

tchrist

Good.

ΜετάEd

It's like seeing dead people.

Robusto

@tchrist Hey, I have relatives who lived in the Bridgeport area (Mayor Daley's bailiwick) and that's how they talked. I lived in the city proper for 17 years and I heard that stuff all the time. Don't give me that Lake Geneva crap. That's like being from Albany and saying you're from New York.

Cerberus

Not sure I need clock faces.

I already have the other stuff.

Robusto

You don't know nuttin' 'bout people from da Sout' Side.

tchrist

14:48

Bluecollar people don't come to Geneva.

Cerberus

@Robusto You're a real gangsta.

Robusto

Elitist bastard.

@Cerberus No, I'm just someone from Chicago with a careful ear.

I was born in Chicago, fer chrissakes. Top that.

Cerberus

Then what is that gun in your pocket?

Your phone. Sure.

Robusto

►

Everything's right except the date.

tchrist

I have a (step-)grandfather who uses da for the, etc. No thetas. Weird accent.

Robusto

14:55

@Cerberus It's a phone shaped like a gun. Lots of fun at parties.

Cerberus

And airports. Shops.

Robusto

@Cerberus The TSA screeners especially get a big laugh out of it.

@Robusto I didn't notice the stupid Blues Brothers connection. That is faux Chicago. But the Paul Butterfield track is real.

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