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@Cerberus The second word in on the bottom line is non. The first word on the line above it seems to be d?pponant, but I can’t resolve the front into something that works for Latin.

RegDwight АΑA

@user23679 any dictionary?

tchrist

2:06 PM

@RegDwightАΑA Many, perhaps most, of these nightflying online free dictionaries have no examples.

RegDwight АΑA

@tchrist okay, any good dictionary.

tchrist

@Cerberus found tantum. Eventually things start to gel. You have to get used to the hand.

RegDwight АΑA

But seriously, the ones I come across on a regular basis all have examples. And I am not cherry-picking them. I just click on the top search result.

Cerberus

12 hours ago, by Cerberus

ΜετάEd

@cornbreadninja Mary Blige don't make good pige.

tchrist

2:09 PM

@RegDwightАΑA Lots of the stuff that onelook gives you is lame.

Cerberus

@tchrist Non is correct! The other word is disponant.

@tchrist Exactly, time helps.

tchrist

I was wondering whether that was it. I was trying to convince myself there were two letters there.

Oh wait, it's a long s.

That's why I read two p's, which I couldn't make work.

That's so mean.

Cerberus

Yup.

Hehe.

The first line starts with In Nomi[n]e d[omi]ni ame[n].

tchrist

Not much left of domini.

I don't know how you can tell which letter something is with all those minims run together.

Cerberus

The conventional abbreviation is dn + ending, so dns, dni, dno, dnum...

RegDwight АΑA

2:13 PM

@tchrist I don't use lots of the stuff that OneLook gives me. I don't even use OneLook. I use Google to find a good dictionary or five, and then stick with those.

tchrist

Like nomine. There are so many ways to attribute the single lines in min

ΜετάEd

in nomine domini hominy

Cerberus

@tchrist Yes, the "legs" of i/u/n/m as we call them often leave open many interpretations.

But there are many conventions.

A general mark of abbreviation is very often used to mark an omitted n or m.

So n/m is the first thing you think of when you see it.

As in nomine and amen.

inkunabeln.ub.uni-koeln.de/vdibProduction/handapparat/nachs_w/…

Here you can look up common but idiomatic abbreviations.

Like dns.

tchrist

@Cerberus Th othr prblm I hv wth al ths z tht it rdz 2 mch lk txtspk, U knw, wth th urj 2 abrv8 & sv ltrz whrvr psbl. It cn rly nfr8 U fndng thm, o rthr, nt dng so.

Cerberus

Urj?

Nfr8?

But you are right.

The motivation is the same: you save time and space.

Like a low-tech wormhole.

tchrist

2:20 PM

The other problem I have with all this is that it reads too much like textspeak, you know, with the urge to abbreviate and save letters wherever possible. It can really enfuriate you finding them, or rather, not doing so.

Th othr prblm I hv wth al ths z tht it rdz 2 mch lk txtspk, U knw, wth th urj 2 abrvt & sv ltrz whrvr psbl. It cn rly nfrt U fndng thm, o rthr, nt dng so.

Yes, I was looking through the d’s just now.

Cerberus

Ah, I was reading urj as yourjay or something.

tchrist

𝕴 𝖗𝖑𝖞 𝖍8 𝖗𝖉𝖓𝖌 𝖉𝖓𝖘 & 𝖉𝖗𝖐 𝖇𝖑𝖐𝖑𝖙𝖗 𝖋𝖘𝖘.

Cerberus

I really hate those question diamonds. They are also in Maro Kart.

Did you see the diamonds too?

tchrist

That is really strange. The correct phrase printed here, and then after a moment it turned into a double diamond.

Cerberus

Ah.

That is SE applying formatting to the lines.

tchrist

2:23 PM

The double-diamond is from idiot UTF-16 systems counting a post-BMP code point as two surrogates.

And putting a diamond in for each surrogate.

Cerberus

Tell SE.

tchrist

I bitch at then about their surrogate problem all the time. Does no good.

ΜετάEd

Idiot UTF-16 systems: that's Bill again.

tchrist

Yes, I know.

ΜετάEd

What's the SE platform?

tchrist

2:25 PM

Did you know that the things that allegedy count characters, like limits on comment length, do not really do so?

They count 16-bit code units. Liars!!

I think they are using C#.

Cerberus

Evil.

tchrist

Their regexes for detecting punctuation is also antediluvian, watch: peaches' vs peaches’

Oh, they fixed it.

Or maybe not. *I’*ve one thing. *I'*ve one thing.

ΜετάEd

They should really just count bits.

tchrist

Hm, can't remember what it is, but if you use curly quotes, it screws up formatting sometimes.

They should count characters like they bloody well tell you they are doing. They lie.

ΜετάEd

In fact they should just count 1-bits. 0-bits don't have any real existence.

Yesterday's coffee is more substantial than a 0-bit.

tchrist

2:28 PM

They're Platonics.

ΜετάEd

There's room here for a pun about plate tectonics but I'm going to let it slide.

tchrist

I cannot understand why they convert the first blackletter e in 𝖇𝖑𝖆𝖈𝖐𝖑𝖊𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗 into a pair of surrogates and thence to the REPLACEMENT CHARACTER diamond, yet leave the second one alone.

Oh, there they didn't do it.

𝕴 𝖗𝖊𝖆𝖑𝖑𝖞 𝖍𝖆𝖙𝖊 𝖗𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝖉𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖊 𝖆𝖓𝖉 𝖉𝖆𝖗𝖐 𝖇𝖑𝖆𝖈𝖐𝖑�‌�𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗 𝖋𝖆𝖈𝖊𝖘.

See!!?

There they did.

After a second.

RegDwight АΑA

I'm not sure I'm seeing what you're seeing.

Cerberus

Can you paste it again?

tchrist

𝕴 𝖗𝖊𝖆𝖑𝖑𝖞 𝖍𝖆𝖙𝖊 𝖗𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝖉𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖊 𝖆𝖓𝖉 𝖉𝖆𝖗𝖐 𝖇𝖑𝖆𝖈𝖐𝖑�‌�𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗 𝖋𝖆𝖈𝖊𝖘. 𝕴 𝖗𝖊𝖆𝖑𝖑𝖞 𝖍𝖆𝖙𝖊 𝖗𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝖉𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖊 𝖆𝖓𝖉 𝖉𝖆𝖗𝖐 𝖇𝖑𝖆𝖈𝖐𝖑�‌�𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗 𝖋𝖆𝖈𝖊𝖘. 𝕴 𝖗𝖊𝖆𝖑𝖑𝖞 𝖍𝖆𝖙𝖊 𝖗𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝖉𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖊 𝖆𝖓𝖉 𝖉𝖆𝖗𝖐 𝖇𝖑𝖆𝖈𝖐𝖑�‌�𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗 𝖋𝖆𝖈𝖊𝖘.

Cerberus

2:31 PM

I see the diamonds immediately.

RegDwight АΑA

No changes here.

tchrist

The first "e" in "blackletter" gets printed correctly, then changes into a double-diamond (replacement character pair for two surrogates) after a second or two.

Cerberus

Probably because the line is displayed immediately for the poster, but only after formatting for the others.

tchrist

And it did that in each of the 3 instances of the word blackletter on that triple pasted line. But not when I type 𝖇𝖑𝖆𝖈𝖐𝖑𝖊𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗 by itself.

Cerberus

I also often see the site work to convert my *blah* into blah.

RegDwight АΑA

2:33 PM

@tchrist I only see a hole in the text there.

Cerberus

It displays *blah* first.

tchrist

Holy cow, the x-height of the blackletter font is teeny! The full extender letters barely match the x-height of the surrounding text.

Cerberus

@RegDwightАΑA You're weird.

I see the e's perfectly in the last example.

tchrist

You see a hole better the L and the TTER? 𝖇𝖑𝖆𝖈𝖐𝖑�‌�𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗

Cerberus

I see diamonds.

tchrist

2:34 PM

𝖇𝖑𝖆𝖈𝖐𝖑�‌�𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗 vs 𝖇𝖑𝖆𝖈𝖐𝖑𝖊𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗. So weird.

RegDwight АΑA

tchrist

You don't have letters at all!

Cerberus

Uh, oh.

RegDwight АΑA

I'm fresh out of them.

Cerberus

I didn't know you were that illiterate.

tchrist

2:35 PM

@Cerberus Do you see the blackletter text?

Cerberus

Yes.

tchrist

Poor reg.

He's been missing all my best bits.

Cerberus

I everything perfectly, except that there are diamonds where you describe them.

tchrist

Yes, so you and I see the same.

Cerberus

@tchrist Nice opening line.

RegDwight АΑA

2:35 PM

@tchrist I'll check again at work.

Cerberus

"Hello, you've been missing all my best bits."

RegDwight АΑA

Aug 1 at 13:51, by RegDwight АΑA

This was at work.

That is what I see.

This is at home now.

Ahh!

2:37 PM

You probably have no font installed with the MATHEMATICAL letters.

Cerberus

What browser are you on?

RegDwight АΑA

Chrome. Vista. No modifications. And it stays that way.

tchrist

I think I get mine from George Douros’s Symbola font I keep pushing.

Cerberus

@RegDwightАΑA I am at your work too.

tchrist

But are you running Mountain Lion?

Cerberus

2:37 PM

Yes, the latest Mountain Lion Vista.

RegDwight АΑA

Mountain Vista.

No Lions involved.

Cerberus

Not Mountain View?

tchrist

How are your Emoji?

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Human Emotica: 😂 😅 😆 😇 😈 😤 😥 😨 😱 😲 😷
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RegDwight АΑA

@tchrist I can't begin to express how long the pole is I'm not touching anything of Steve Jobs' with.

tchrist

Devanagari: This ४५६७ is 4567.
Hebrew/Bidirectional blend: The Hebrew alphabet is ‪אָלֶף־בֵּית עִבְרִי‬ and written right to left.
Cherokee: ᎣᎤᎦᎧᎨᎩᎪᎫᎬᎭᎮᎯᎰᎱᎲᎴᎵᎶᎸᎹᎺᎼᎽᎾᎿᏀᏁᏂᏃᏄᏅᏆᏇᏈᏉᏊᏋᏌᏍᏎᏏᏐᏑᏓᏔᏕᏖᏗᏘᏙᏛᏜᏝᏠᏡᏣᏤᏥᏧᏨᏩᏪᏫᏬᏭᏮᏯᏰᏱᏲᏳ

Math letters: 𝒜 𝒟 𝔅 𝔎 𝔼 𝔽
Runics: ᚠᚡᚤᚥᚦᚨᚩᚫᚬᚭᚯᚰᚱᚲᚳᚴᚵᚷᚸᚹᚺᚼᛈᛉᛊᛋᛏᛒᛓᛖᛗᛘᛝᛠᛡᛢᛣᛤᛥᛩᛪ᛫᛬᛭ᛮᛯᛰ

Deseret blend: The Mormons invented the 𐐔𐐯𐑅𐐨𐑉𐐯𐐻 script.
Gothic blend: “𐌰𐍄𐍄𐌰 𐌿𐌽𐍃𐌰𐍂 𐌸𐌿 𐌹𐌽 𐌷𐌹𐌼𐌹𐌽𐌰𐌼” is Gothic for “Atta unsar þu in himinam”.
Hieroglyphics: 𓀂 𓀃 𓀄 𓀅 𓀆 𓀗 𓀘 𓀙 𓀫 𓀬 𓀭 𓀮 𓀯 𓁉

Cerberus

2:39 PM

tchrist

I especially like the Gothic.

RegDwight АΑA

Cerberus

tchrist

That isn't bad.

The Planets: ☿ ♀ ♁ ♂ ♃ ♄ ♅ ♆ ♇
The Zodiac: ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ ♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Recycling signs: ♲ ♳ ♴ ♵ ♶ ♷ ♸ ♹ ♺ ♻ ♼ ♽
Sexuality: ⚲ ♀ ♂ ⚢ ⚣ ⚤ ⚥ ⚦ ⚧ ⚨ ⚩
Musical Notes: 𝅗𝅥 𝅘𝅥 𝅘𝅥𝅮 𝅘𝅥𝅯 𝅘𝅥𝅰 𝅘𝅥𝅱 𝅘𝅥𝅲
Clock Faces: 🕐 🕒 🕔 🕘 🕜 🕠 🕤 🕧

Cerberus

I don't need those Asian faces, I should think.

I should like those musical notes, however.

RegDwight АΑA

2:40 PM

tchrist

Not much sex for you, then.

RegDwight АΑA

Finally some notes I can play a prima vista!

Cerberus

Hehe.

RegDwight АΑA

@tchrist all sexes that I need.

Cerberus

So where can I get the notes?

tchrist

2:41 PM

hands Reg a dual

Southerners always use all for two things. Where I grew up, this is weird.

They say y'all for two people.

I say you both.

RegDwight АΑA

Well this is fun but I need groceries. Lator's.

tchrist

@Cerberus Musica.

Cerberus

OK thanks.

@tchrist Only with "y"?

tchrist

It's the one from George Douros.

I fear there are multiple fonts by the same name floating about.

ponders how one might spell Musica with a y

upsilon switch, maybe.

Robusto

@tchrist In Chicago, blue-collar people say "youse* to indicate plural, as in "I don't wanna hear nuttin' from youse guys no more."

ΜετάEd

2:45 PM

@RegDwightАΑA Now you're just bragging.

tchrist

@Robusto That's wise-guys talk. I grew up very close to Chicago, and we never said that.

Lake Geneva is only about 75 miles from O’Hare.

Wiseguys means gangsters.

Cerberus

I see the notes!

tchrist

What did you do?

Cerberus

Installed Musica Western.

tchrist

Ah.

Cerberus

2:46 PM

No refresh needed.

tchrist

Good.

ΜετάEd

It's like seeing dead people.

Robusto

@tchrist Hey, I have relatives who lived in the Bridgeport area (Mayor Daley's bailiwick) and that's how they talked. I lived in the city proper for 17 years and I heard that stuff all the time. Don't give me that Lake Geneva crap. That's like being from Albany and saying you're from New York.

Cerberus

Not sure I need clock faces.

I already have the other stuff.

Robusto

You don't know nuttin' 'bout people from da Sout' Side.

tchrist

2:48 PM

Bluecollar people don't come to Geneva.

Cerberus

@Robusto You're a real gangsta.

Robusto

Elitist bastard.