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12:00 PM
I changed it.
I still can't decide if this is on-topic or not.
 
@KitFox Yes, I need to learn how to be an interesting person, or a good liar.
 
Or maybe just to be more comfortable with the great person that you are.
 
awwww, thanks :)
 
Matt's pic. He is ... The Most Interesting Man In The World.
 
12:03 PM
But wait.
 
@Robusto Funny thing is, he already looks like an interesting person, even without the stupid weird stuff.
@Robusto He must drink Un Equis.
 
@KitFox Dos.
He drinks DOS Equis, which was a rival of MS-DOS in the '80s.
 
@Robusto I'm referring to the least interesting man, there, you see.
 
Interesting people are good at making their lives sound interesting. I'm not good at that.
 
Well, you're the stealth candidate then. You lead the polling so far. You & Simchona.
 
12:07 PM
@MattЭллен You don't have to make it sound interesting. Just do interesting things.
 
Yes, pleasingly and surprisingly
 
It's not much of a surprise. You present well.
green orc, cute kitteh, makes perfect sense to me.
 
@KitFox I do interesting things, but I can't explain them to people in an interesting way. Like, I work making software for magnetic resonance spectrometers. What's not interesting about that? Well science scares people for one, so I need to figure how to work around that. And people still deride spending a lot of time online, but Stack Exchange is full of interesting stuff.
 
But Evan backs me as well, so, you know. That's. Cool. And stuff.
@MattЭллен Good lord. There's your problem right there.
But I remember that I felt that way when I was 26 or so, and that's when I started modelling nude and riding on motorcycles with strange men and stuff.
 
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Q: Preposition: For vs to

utxeeeIs the below to preposition being correctly used or is it calling for a for preposition ? Or is this a case of those where we could use either for or to interchangeably ? Follows a modification to the current update to fix the issue.

 
12:11 PM
And hanging around with musicians.
 
Yay for indescriptive titles.
It's his 31st question.
 
For, everytime. it's always for
 
What's the opposite of "This is the first time I am doing this". I am looking for something that can be used in place of sentences like "This is NOT the first time..." or "This is the (N)th time..." (N > 1)
 
And 53% acceptance.
@Meysam "I have some experience doing this."
"I have done this before."
"Trust me, I know what I'm doing."
 
@KitFox mine is not much higher.
 
12:13 PM
@RegDwightАΑA For realz? Huh.
 
Sixty-nine, you dog owl!
 
Aye.
I am very liminal.
 
I am superliminal.
 
NS is back
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Q: Close and Narrow?

vicktoriaI appreciate some help with the adjective / adverbs close(ly) and narrow(ly) a. a close/narrow second b. a close/narrow loss c. a close/narrow escape d. They closely / narrowly won e. They closely / narrowly escaped Could close or narrow or both be used in these sentences?

 
12:16 PM
@Gigili "Baraye chandomin bar" chi mishe?
 
@MattЭллен Gee, now I'm almost embarrassed to say that I slay dragons and rescue damsels in distress for a living. My life pales by comparison with your magnetic resonance spectrometer software.
 
@KitFox This should be the equivalent I am looking for
 
I NO RITE
 
Hey, NMR is awesome!
 
@Meysam For the umpteenth time, as in “This is crazy,” she told herself for the umpteenth time.
 
12:19 PM
Stupid dragons. kicks desk
 
Stupid desk. kicks dragons
 
From OALD. The example, that is.
 
chokes on coffee
Oh, I like umpteenth. One of my favorites.
 
And do you realize how hard it is to find damsels in distress in these days of women's empowerment? Oftentimes they just brush me off, saying they can slay the dragons themselves. What's the world coming to?
 
@Meysam I've done this umpteen times.
 
12:22 PM
maybe you should switch it up and try working as a man in distress, and wait for a damsel to save you
 
That works sometimes. Very modern.
 
@MattЭллен Yeah. I'll never work again.
 
You could be a kept man that way.
 
The thing is, I'm good at slaying dragons.
 
how about slaying damsels? Protect the dragons
 
12:24 PM
It doesn't work like that. There's a code, you know. I had to take an oath.
 
That explains why your scalp is green.
 
@Gigili Is it fine to use umpteen for small numbers like 2 or 3? Dictionary says: Relatively large but unspecified in number
 
@Robusto I'm good at distressing damsels. Maybe we could team up.
@Meysam No, I wouldn't.
 
12:39 PM
0
Q: 'modification for' or 'modification to'

utxeeeIs the below to preposition being correctly used or is it calling for a for preposition ? Or is this a case of those where we could use either for or to interchangeably ? Follows a modification to the current update to fix the issue.

I voted to close as too localized, but mostly I just don't want to answer a thousand "which preposition?" questions.
 
I don't like many of utxeee's questions, personally.
 
I'm with you on that, @Kit
 
Utxeees questions often sound like NS
 
Is there a good resource for prepositions? Can we point the OP to it?
Can you find that stuff in a dictionary?
I've never needed to look.
 
Many dictionaries have examples.
And even if they don't, that should be in the question.
"Dictionary X says A, dictionary Y says B, dictionary Z says nothing. What to do?"
 
12:43 PM
So, we should expect OP to check dictionaries for usage, and probably he will find something there to go on.
If not, how does one learn which prepositions to use?
Just ask on EL&U?
 
Perhaps ask on ELL?
 
Gotta go. Laters.
 
I mean, it's not up yet, but in the future.
 
Tru dat.
 
cya @Robusto
 
12:50 PM
@reg did you get my ping last night?
 
Yes, I did.
 
Ok.
 
How should I put it. I find it ironic that so far you are the only one who listens to him at all.
In fact his campaign isn't all that public to begin with.
What's a couple messages in chat? Only some 30-odd people get to read them in the first place. And I'm being generous there.
 
Perhaps you two should have a private chat.
 
@kit I would with a mediator
 
12:56 PM
I mean, perhaps you and Reg should speak privately right now.
 
good morning everyone
 
hulloo
 
Morning @JSB!
 
checks current primary results
 
@JSBձոգչ How is it going?
 
1:00 PM
i'm a little surprised that i'm behind Kit
but not at all surprised that i'm behind simchona
 
:WINK:
 
@MattЭллен he can't even see you from here.
 
i saw it
now i'm trying to interpret it
 
Well, I'll just have to have juvenile suggestive fun by myself then
 
@JSBձոգչ Don't forget to look at the total number of votes.
 
1:01 PM
@RegDwightАΑA Will you remain a moderator?
 
I'm very surprised that you aren't stronger in the primaries @JSB. I figured I'd make top 5, maybe 6th. I didn't think I'd be anywhere near 3rd.
I thought you'd be in the top 3.
 
huh, why does kiamlaluno have 25 downvotes? who did he tick off?
his nomination speech seems fine
 
I don't really see why anyone but the bottom 3 has downvotes.
 
I figure JSB is not too present on the site for the hoi polloi. Comment-wise. (Tag edits are easily overwritten by any subsequent edits, and who cares about tag edits in the first place?) I mean, again, look at the total number of votes on all the candidates. Some people people just don't know.
 
@KitFox i'm not particularly worried about it.
 
1:04 PM
I guess maybe people think they have to vote one way or the other
 
@MattЭллен personal issues. Revenge.
 
i think that @Reg is right here. most of my activity is edits and close-votes
 
@KitFox I think we're good. No need to beat the poor horse
 
which few people see, and fewer people care about
 
@RegDwightАΑA: can you consider reopening :
 
1:05 PM
@RegDwightАΑA I suppose that must account for it
 
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Q: Why is this question about math notation closed as off topic?

warl0ckCan anyone explain to me, why my question got closed as off topic ? I was asking about how to pronounce this symbol, as I find it hard to Google for a "symbol"

rather:
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Q: How do you say "2^16" in English?

warl0ckHow do you say the mathematical function in English: x^y I know ^ means 'power' or 'exponentiate', but that is the name of the operation, not how you pronounce its use. If y = 2, it is 'x squared', y=3 then 'x cubed'. What if y is some other arbitrary number?

though it might be basic, the references don't actually say how people really say it.
 
i voted to reopen for that very reason
 
And we do have one about how to read ratios.
 
@Mitch But they say something.
 
just because the answer exists in various references doesn't mean that it's easy to find it in those references
 
1:06 PM
the questino or the answers?
 
we've discussed before the fact that unless you already know how to search for punctuation on wikipedia, it would never occur to you to do so
 
I know that. But dig this: would it occur to you to do so here on ELU?
That is, this question is rather useless for future visitors.
Nobody will come across it.
 
search here for 'power' or 'exponential'?
 
For whatever the OP searched for.
 
@RegDwightАΑA Is this election held for adding to the current moderators or for replacing them?
 
1:09 PM
Adding.
 
how long is a mod's term? two years?
 
I voted to reopen too, especially considering the ratio question and I know we have some others like that.
 
until SE is destroyed by cosmic rays
 
@JSBձոգչ Forever.
 
@JSBձոգչ Until you die of exhaustion.
 
1:09 PM
Until you get bored.
 
until the day you wake up and realise that moderation is for people who like moderating
 
@KitFox Forever leads to dictatorship
 
@RegDwightАΑA: you should be closing with a vengeance questions like this:
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Q: Cheersing vs cheering

tmslnzI have come across the word "cheersing", with an "s", as opposed to what I believe to be the correct form: cheering. I think it comes from a misguided verbification of the exclamation "cheers!", as in the plural of the noun "cheer". However since there is already a corresponding verb, "to cheer...

 
@KitFox can you link to the ratio question? Perhaps we rather need to close that one.
 
well before you close (as moderator) questions that have actual -substance-.
 
1:11 PM
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Q: How do I pronounce "ratio 1:1"?

PatrickHow do I pronounce "ratio 1:1"? Should I pronounce it "ratio 1 to 1"?

 
Gah! close crap questions before easy ones!
 
@Mitch Reg ought not to be closing anything. That's our job, innit?
 
@KitFox oh yes. Any native speaker knows that. Look at the date.
 
That's another story (but I also agree)
 
@RegDwightАΑA Well, I did, but it came up recently...dupe maybe?
That's why I was thinking of it.
 
it's not obvious, in fact it's "1 to 1 ratio"
 
I think other people will find the exponent question useful.
Or we could migrate it to Math.SE.
 
@KitFox you mean this one.
 
> In speech this is obviously always pronounced "ratio one to one."
 
1:13 PM
@KitFox ahahahahaha. Yes. Count me int.
 
the accepted answer is wrong
 
I misspole in as int. How fitting.
 
@RegDwightАΑA Yeah, that's it.
@RegDwightАΑA I thought that was intentional. How funny.
 
@KitFox I have no doubt many people will find it useful, but I bet not many people will find it.
 
How about "cheerses"?
 
1:15 PM
I disagree with the accepted answer there
 
use your autocratic powers to remove crap like that -well- before closing (possibly needed, but I think not in this case) questions you think are basic.
 
I understand cheersing to be distinct from cheering
 
I have never come across cheersing, so I can't just vote to close.
 
actually, as Kit says, you shouldn't be closing things that much, voting should close most things and you should be holding back for more serious things.
 
@MattЭллен They are two different things.
 
1:16 PM
@RegDwightАΑA You're an experienced speaker of English so you can see that it is obviously a load of crap.
 
@Mitch Which is funny you should say that, because that's what Reg does.
 
@Mitch You would be surprised how often I find myself holding back. You don't see what's not there.
 
OK I get that.
 
@Mitch that's how it sounds to me, but so did "needs washed" or "should have went".
@KitFox yeah in fact I post questions here every day for other people to close (or not).
 
the answer is '2 to the sixteen' or '2 to the sixteenth'. It's only in formal speech (which ironicaly is hardly ever in math) that you say '2 to the sixteenth power'. If variables are used it is more likely 'x to the y'.
There's nuance. It's not obvious. you can't find that on the web.
The answer makes it closable or not.
 
1:20 PM
Fair enough. Then I want to see that answer there.
 
Thanks
 
No prob. I've been using the same argument against Rebecca and Robert.
 
B to the R the O the OK L-Y-N is the place where I stay.
 
Straight back to Compton.
 
is there a proper verb for cheersing?
I can't think of one
 
1:23 PM
Damn I can't find that stupid gen-ref question I answered on purpose to convince Rebecca.
 
@RegDwightАΑA Kinda not at all, but OK.
@MattЭллен Toasting, maybe?
 
@KitFox Yeah, I thought that. maybe. I've deleted my answer, since Peter Shor tweened me
 
So @Matt, are you going to set your alarm and come to the forum?
You're in the top spot with Sim. I think you should.
 
Ah, there it is.
Jul 12 '11 at 21:42, by RegDwight
I came there, it had three answers that would make it a general reference. I tried to turn it into something better.
Jul 12 '11 at 21:42, by RegDwight
But the thing is, it's still the same freaking question.
 
@KitFox well, that would not be to my benefit. I'd be utterly useless. I will come back and answer the questions later, though.
no perfect, but better than not being able to think
if the meeting were delayed until 1am Saturday, that would be different
 
1:27 PM
Then we could be cheersing and answering questions!
 
Is the reason to re-open the x^y question so that it elicits additional/better answers, or more to indicate that this is not the sort of thing that should be considered offtopic?
 
@KitFox exactly!
 
Also: I'm on the fence whether the EME conjugation question is on-topic or not. I also wonder whether anyone is going to bother to answer it.
 
@tchrist We're still in dispute over whether it is on-topic.
@tchrist I think we're all in agreement there.
 
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Q: Are Old and Middle English questions really on-topic?

Jon PurdyI asked a question recently (Send, sent; end, *ent?), which hasn’t yet received a straight answer. It leads me to wonder if questions about Old and Middle English are actually on-topic for this site; while it’s certainly acceptable for answers to draw on historical English to substantiate specula...

there is no clear consensus on those two either
 
1:29 PM
@tchrist as far as I'm concerned, I wouldn't have settled for "elicits"; I was promised a better answer, pronto.)))
The question's been edited, too, to be more easily findable.
 
@MattЭллен We're talking about Shakespeare, Tindall, and the KJV, not Beowulf, Sir Gawain, or Chaucer. That makes it by definition (Early-)Modern English, not Middle English.
It just isn't CONTEMPORARY English; it's an historical form.
 
@tchrist I know. hence why I said "those two"
 
Which may perhaps be the actual intent but not the stated language about what is on or off topic. Hm.
 
@tchrist pitch it to @JSB.
 
Great idea!
 
1:32 PM
Pitch what, changing the ELU rules to say contemporary instead of modern?
Or that the EME question is on-topic?
 
No, the question. JSB is the "thou dost" guy here.
 
It's usually actually thou doest for the main verb and thou dost for the auxiliary. Both are didst in the past, though. :)
 
@RegDwightАΑA how's this?
 
Then you go answer it, duh.
 
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A: How do read exponential expressions e.g., "2^16"?

MitchThe references would say "two to the sixteenth power" but that is only don in very formal speech. Ironically, in actual mathematical usage, the formal usage is not that common. The more common way to say it (in math class or in a mathematical presentation) two to the sixteen or two to ...

 
1:34 PM
it's all Greek to me
 
@MattЭллен OK WTH is ..I hesitate to ask .. 'tweening'?
@KitFox as much as he should be there, the timing is just wrong. no one could be expected to attend like that.
 
I think it could use some <sup>s. All those ^s are grating on the eyes.
 
@Mitch In here at least, it's when one or more messages get between you and your intended target
 
@tchrist Barrie or John Lawler should answer (meant in both senses).
 
like if I hadn't replied to you, then I could say that Reg tweened me
 
1:37 PM
The first ones can be ^ed, but the polynomial should be properly superscripted. With some kind of smooth transition between the two.
 
@MattЭллен oh..you mean like that?
 
yeah :D
 
@MattЭллен I was going to find the original between, but turns out the chat search won't work for it.
 
@RegDwightАΑA gah...so much formatting..OK.
 
In or for I can understand, but between?
 
1:39 PM
@RegDwightАΑA that's just ridiculous
do they have a function that strips out SQL keywords or something? escaping is too good for us, obviously
 
@Mitch I don't mind doing it myself. Just haven't figured out yet where to switch from the one to the other.
 
@Mitch Barrie already said it is too long a topic to answer. An important problem is that EME was not standardized, and before standardization there were many many alternate variants for any of these. Yes, you can say that, to use just one example verb, tense, and person, it was mostly thou wast or thou wert in the 2nd-sg-past for most writers, and that wert was used through the 19c, but it is a rather long story. You can be short and hand-wavy, or long and ponderous and unreadable.
 
@tchrist Oh the latter! The latter!
 
I can only do short and hand-wavy before I go to $job, so I was hoping Barrie or John might do a better job in the meanwhile. But I don't think Barrie fancies a go at it.
 
TL;DR. Someone tell me what Kit's "the latter" means.
 
1:42 PM
Hahahaha
Some days, I really love this place.
 
@RegDwightАΑA Agreed. But you cannae <sup> in titles, only write 2¹⁶. Hm.
 
@tchrist them titles is broke anyways.
Can't haz no italics, no house, no wife.
 
I don’t like the ^.
 
@RegDwightАΑA "ponderous and unreadable"?
 
Ah yes. Ponderous and unreadable. I like how that sounds. I approve Kit's massage.
 
1:45 PM
𝐶𝑎𝑛'𝑡 h𝑎𝑧 𝑛𝑜 𝑖𝑡𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑐𝑠, 𝑛𝑜 h𝑜𝑢𝑠𝑒, 𝑛𝑜 𝑤𝑖𝑓𝑒.
𝒞𝒶𝓃'𝓉 𝒽𝒶𝓏 𝓃ℴ 𝒾𝓉𝒶𝓁𝒾𝒸𝓈, 𝓃ℴ 𝒽ℴ𝓊𝓈𝑒, 𝓃ℴ 𝓌𝒾𝒻𝑒.
𝘾𝙖𝙣'𝙩 𝙝𝙖𝙯 𝙣𝙤 𝙞𝙩𝙖𝙡𝙞𝙘𝙨, 𝙣𝙤 𝙝𝙤𝙪𝙨𝙚, 𝙣𝙤 𝙬𝙞𝙛𝙚.
 
What is this grammar?
 
𝑪𝒂𝒏'𝒕 𝒉𝒂𝒛 𝒏𝒐 𝒊𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒊𝒄𝒔, 𝒏𝒐 𝒉𝒐𝒖𝒔𝒆, 𝒏𝒐 𝒘𝒊𝒇𝒆.
ℭ𝔞𝔫'𝔱 𝔥𝔞𝔷 𝔫𝔬 𝔦𝔱𝔞𝔩𝔦𝔠𝔰, 𝔫𝔬 𝔥𝔬𝔲𝔰𝔢, 𝔫𝔬 𝔴𝔦𝔣𝔢.
 
I guess that answers it.
 
𝕮𝖆𝖓'𝖙 𝖍𝖆𝖟 𝖓𝖔 𝖎𝖙𝖆𝖑𝖎𝖈𝖘, 𝖓𝖔 𝖍𝖔𝖚𝖘𝖊, 𝖓𝖔 𝖜𝖎𝖋𝖊.
 
@RegDwightАΑA really? having formatted all to <sup>, -that- grates on my eyes (because it's not LaTeX).
 
1:47 PM
Not all A-Z have good reps in both cases in the Mathematicals.
 
Did I hear some whining about not LaTeX?
 
Yes.
 
@Mitch I never said "all". But it doesn't grate on mine. I studied too many maths.
^ is a shortcut.
 
exactly
 
Whether or not it grates or doesn't, when proper formatting is available, it should be used.
 
1:48 PM
fater than the fortran '**', one less shift-upper row char.
 
@Reg tchrist's fonts are messin wit my shit. whines
 
That's why I turned your hyphen into an actual minus.
@KitFox I can read them mostly, but the first one is odd.
 
@RegDwightАΑA Well yes. And write write 2¹⁶ in the header then?
 
That looks like a double superscript.
2^1^6
 
It’s the crappissimo font.
2^16 == 18
 
1:50 PM
 
Double-Struck: ℂ𝕒𝕟'𝕥 𝕙𝕒𝕫 𝕟𝕠 𝕚𝕥𝕒𝕝𝕚𝕔𝕤, 𝕟𝕠 𝕙𝕠𝕦𝕤𝕖, 𝕟𝕠 𝕨𝕚𝕗𝕖.
Monospace: 𝙲𝚊𝚗'𝚝 𝚑𝚊𝚣 𝚗𝚘 𝚒𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚒𝚌𝚜, 𝚗𝚘 𝚑𝚘𝚞𝚜𝚎, 𝚗𝚘 𝚠𝚒𝚏𝚎.
Sans-Serif: 𝖢𝖺𝗇'𝗍 𝗁𝖺𝗓 𝗇𝗈 𝗂𝗍𝖺𝗅𝗂𝖼𝗌, 𝗇𝗈 𝗁𝗈𝗎𝗌𝖾, 𝗇𝗈 𝗐𝗂𝖿𝖾.
Sans-Serif Italic: 𝘊𝘢𝘯'𝘵 𝘩𝘢𝘻 𝘯𝘰 𝘪𝘵𝘢𝘭𝘪𝘤𝘴, 𝘯𝘰 𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘴𝘦, 𝘯𝘰 𝘸𝘪𝘧𝘦.
Sans-Serif Bold: 𝗖𝗮𝗻'𝘁 𝗵𝗮𝘇 𝗻𝗼 𝗶𝘁𝗮𝗹𝗶𝗰𝘀, 𝗻𝗼 𝗵𝗼𝘂𝘀𝗲, 𝗻𝗼 𝘄𝗶𝗳𝗲.
Sans-Serif Bold Italic: 𝘾𝙖𝙣'𝙩 𝙝𝙖𝙯 𝙣𝙤 𝙞𝙩𝙖𝙡𝙞𝙘𝙨, 𝙣𝙤 𝙝𝙤𝙪𝙨𝙚, 𝙣𝙤 𝙬𝙞𝙛𝙚.
 
Italic: 𝘐'𝘻 𝘨𝘰𝘵𝘤𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘛𝘢𝘭𝘪𝘤𝘴 𝘸𝘳𝘪𝘵𝘦 𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘉𝘶𝘴𝘵𝘦𝘳
Sans-Serif Bold Italic: 𝙄'𝙯 𝙜𝙤𝙩𝙘𝙝𝙚𝙧 𝙏𝙖𝙡𝙞𝙘𝙨 𝙬𝙧𝙞𝙩𝙚 𝙝𝙚𝙧𝙚 𝘽𝙪𝙨𝙩𝙚𝙧
Italic: 𝐼'𝑧 𝑔𝑜𝑡𝑐h𝑒𝑟 𝑇𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑐𝑠 𝑤𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑒 h𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝐵𝑢𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑟
Bold Italic: 𝑰'𝒛 𝒈𝒐𝒕𝒄𝒉𝒆𝒓 𝑻𝒂𝒍𝒊𝒄𝒔 𝒘𝒓𝒊𝒕𝒆 𝒉𝒆𝒓𝒆 𝑩𝒖𝒔𝒕𝒆𝒓
 
Can we stop with this? I need to talk to the dean in ten minutes, and I don't want to be all hot and bothered.
 
Okay, let me wrap it up, then.
 
1:54 PM
@Meysam Umm, you said n times, n is usually a relatively large numbers ( at least in Persian). You should have said epsilon. Why don't you say "This is not my first time doing this" or "this is my second/third time of doing this" or "I've done this a fair number of times"? But umpteen is fine.
Or what Kit said. I don't know.
 
Also I think using the code font would help the expressions pop out, but I don't know how to superscript that way.
 
Geeks don't know the first thing about typography. They should be programming mainframes, not Web browsers or font supports.
 
Whoa. I got scroll bars now, instead of (see full text).
 
It's chat 4.0.
 
boinks Reg with Bringhurst and Knuth
 
1:55 PM
That's new, then?
@tchrist No boinking!
 
How does native speaker memorize words?
 
We don't.
 
For example, I found some words hard to memorize.
 
@FrankScience We all do.
 
But it's core vocabulary.
 
1:57 PM
@Meysam No 'umpteen', means 'quite a lot'. 'more than you expect'.
 
For example, phenomenon.
 
@FrankScience It isn't if you don't know it.
You need to use it. Find a sentence that will help you remember it.
 
ambassador
 
@RegDwightАΑA And how do you get chat 4.0 loaded?
 
@tchrist Refresh?
 
1:58 PM
@FrankScience 2nd language learning is very different from first language learning.
 
@tchrist use some 4.0 shells.
 
or learning totally in context.
 
@FrankScience You have to make connections. ambassador links to embassy.
 
I have to go. trying not to freak out
Later.
 
Later it already is.
Laterer then.
 
1:59 PM
Plusplus late.
 
It's ambi- (about) + ag- (act), but the word changed a lot.
 

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