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mmyers

21:00

"Sherman(esque) statement" or "Sherman speech" is American political jargon for a clear and direct statement by a potential candidate indicating that he or she will not run for a particular elected position. The term derives from the Sherman pledge, a remark made by American Civil War General William Tecumseh Sherman when he was being considered as a possible Republican candidate for the presidential election of 1884. He declined, saying, "I will not accept if nominated and will not serve if elected." Thirteen years prior, he had similarly asserted, "I hereby state, and mean all that I sa...

Matt Эллен

@Mahnax There are only 6 nominees so far. You should definitely put yourself forward.

user19161

So we get two badges for free every election, yay!

cornbread ninja

@MattЭллен it's been open for an hour!

Matt Эллен

@cornbreadninja I know! people are so slow

user19161

@mmyers Wow, amazing.

cornbread ninja

21:01

@MattЭллен :P

Matt Эллен

;)

Mahnax

@mmyers If I run, and am elected, I will certainly serve.

@MattЭллен I would like to, but I'm not sure. We'll see.

Can one be nominated by others?

Matt Эллен

no

waiwai933

@Mahnax No, but they can certainly encourage you to nominate yourself.

KitFox

@MattЭллен nods Thank you. Did you read the updated one?

Matt Эллен

21:05

@Mahnax first you must believe in yourself!

user19161

Robusto said he won't be mod, just Robocop.

Mahnax

@MattЭллен That's what I thought, I didn't see an option for it.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox yeah :)

KitFox

english.stackexchange.com/election/2#post-75664

Rats. I was hoping for a one-box.

user19161

@MattЭллен You must pay me royalties for using "believe".

KitFox

21:06

My billboard advert.

Mitch

@JSBձոգչ why would you want to be a god if it weren't for the moderator-like powers?

Mahnax

@KitFox What would your husband say?!

user19161

@kit For a moment I thought you were going to post the boob pics in the election statement.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox lol

KitFox

@Mahnax What?

cornbread ninja

21:07

Mahnax

@KitFox "but I would like to suggest that supporting my election bid is likely to increase your chance of getting shagged."

KitFox

@Mahnax I didn't say that I was going to shag anyone.

Mahnax

@KitFox Well, yeah. But I fail to see any other way it would increase their chances of being shagged.

KitFox

It is possible that someone might have a greater tendency toward being shagged if they associated themselves with people like me.

Just like drinking Coca-Cola or driving a...a...Ford Mustang.

Matt Эллен

or wearing a strapless bra

Mahnax

21:10

Right. OK then, carry on.

user19161

I prefer Pepsi to Cola.

KitFox

Not like in a real and legally binding sense.

Mahnax

And I taste no difference between Pepsi and Coca-Cola. Perhaps I'm just uncultured.

Mitch

@cornbreadninja I am so slow...only now do I get that. Horrid.

user19161

@Mahnax Pepsi has less gas and is sweeter.

Mitch

21:11

@Mahnax in blind taste tests, you can taste the difference.

But you still don't know which is which.

Mahnax

@Mitch Perhaps I'll try one of those sometime.

cornbread ninja

@Mitch horrid the picture, horrid the joke, or horrid your slowness?

Mitch

@cornbreadninja 'yes'?

cornbread ninja

@Mitch okay then.

Mitch

Oh, no, the picture is very nice.

if you like that sort of thing.

user19161

21:12

@Mitch Maybe it is the type sold here, but they are quite distinct to my buds.

RegDwight АΑA

@KitFox there's a reason why you can't spell "Ford Mustang" without "must".

cornbread ninja

I used to like Pepsi exclusively, but it started to taste too sweet, so I became a Coke. Now I try to avoid all of them.

Mitch

@JasperLoy I read that as cornbreadninja's response about the picture of the birds. Also, 'distinct to my buds' as 'different from my pals'

cornbread ninja

just for the taste of it

Mitch

@cornbreadninja another "I read that as': "I like to use Pepsi exclusively"

user19161

21:14

@cornbreadninja Pepsi goes well with my KFC!

Mitch

burns away all the cholesterol

er..most of it.

cornbread ninja

@Mitch I use single malt scotch for that purpose.

user19161

Look at the list of Caucus badges on main, beautiful.

KitFox

@cornbreadninja Me too!

cornbread ninja

@JasperLoy I still like it with Chinese food.

@KitFox :D

user19161

21:16

@cornbreadninja Why do so many people like Chinese food? It's quite ordinary actually.

cornbread ninja

@JasperLoy I'm not sure. I will say that I didn't have any until I was 16 or 17.

KitFox

@JasperLoy For you maybe.

Matt Эллен

@JasperLoy sugar and MSG

cornbread ninja

@JasperLoy I believe I prefer Thai at this point.

user19161

@cornbreadninja I find the Chinese food I get for 3 dollars from the stalls nicer than those 30 dollars in the restaurants. :-)

cornbread ninja

21:18

@JasperLoy my favorite street food in Beijing was a rose-flavo(u)red rice concoction on a pair of sticks.

Mitch

@cornbreadninja remove the 'scotch' part and I'm there.

cornbread ninja

removes scotch part, waits for Mitch

Mitch

I'm there

Gigili

> I remember you even talked to Jeff Atwood on the phone. That's a bit more involvement than I would expect from a truely independent moderator. Maybe you should voluntarily withdraw to give a chance to people who are not invested in the established system. – balpha♦ 3 mins ago

cornbread ninja

> @balpha that's an unfair allegation. Jeff stalked me using Google.

woops

@Gigili how did you get that quote-y bar?

Gigili

21:21

@cornbreadninja ">" blah

Mitch

I think that's exactly the kind of involvement we want from a mod. To use the real world for real communication above and beyond. And declining the Hot Chocloate was an extreme exercise in restraint. (note to self-investigate a hot Nutella drink)

also, Jeff is gone.

cornbread ninja

@Gigili I might have know. I should have known.

Mitch

so that conversation will take EC out of our hair.

KitFox

OK Bye!

cornbread ninja

washes man right out of her hair

bye @KitFox!

Gigili

21:22

@cornbreadninja You knew, you'll know.

@KitFox Have fun!

Mitch

yuck. how'd he get in there?

user19161

Why so many comments on Evan there?

Mitch

because of balpha

they are taking him seriously.

user19161

Are they enemies?

cornbread ninja

@Mitch which?

Mitch

21:23

also...effing christ...can't he look up his stats in his meta user page himself?

cornbread ninja

mitch-witch

mmyers

@Mitch balpha is playing along

waiwai933

I'm going to advise you not to comment on that nomination. I won't stop you if you do, but I strongly suggest you not.

Mitch

@cornbreadninja the commenters on EC's nomination

@waiwai933 Thanks you for suggestion that. I was sorely tempted out of absurdity.

nothing good will come out of that bee's nest.

cornbread ninja

@Mitch I meant which 'him'.

Mitch

21:25

brief entertainment, a lifetime of shame.

@cornbreadninja oh...let me check.

cornbread ninja

@Mitch EC or balpha

Matt Эллен

Evan's l;ast comment is at Ben Brocka, but Ben hasn't commented...

mmyers

@MattЭллен He did but deleted it almost immediately.

Mitch

balpha is taking EC too seriously (not that EC is not serious, but that balpha is taking him seriously as a good candidate and questioning his platform as though something might come out of it)

Matt Эллен

@mmyers I see

mmyers

21:28

@Mitch balpha knows perfectly well what's going on. I don't know why he's doing it, but he knows what's going on.

Gigili

@Mitch His comments are not that helpful. I fail to see the point of mentioning he had a phone call from JA.

MetaEd

@mmyers Reminds me of the Pat Paulsen For President campaign. "If nominated, I will not serve ... but, if elected, I certainly will not run."

mmyers

@MetaEd If nominated, I will run north until I cross the Canadian border

MetaEd

I loved Pat.

cornbread ninja

> It's clear my interests and his our different.

our they really?

user19161

21:30

Wow, the comment thread there is getting exciting...

Mitch

@Gigili it's helpful in realizing that his posts were so weird that JA felt like he had to investigate to the point of talking directly to him over the phone. Maybe that's not what EC intended

Gigili

@cornbreadninja ">" + space + blah ...

Blah^3, actually.

user19161

@Mitch His posts on SO?

cornbread ninja

@Gigili thanks for the edit! It's been a rough day.

RegDwight АΑA

@Gigili times. Not degree. Times. :P

Jul 16 at 19:44, by RegDwight ΒВB

@Gigili Who taught you exponentiation? Go tell him he did it all wrong.

user19161

21:35

@RegDwightАΑA lol

RegDwight АΑA

OMG Jasper loled at my stuff. My mission in this world is over! The princess is in another world.

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user19161

I am glad that I have stopped at exactly 1100 downvotes, and I intend to keep it at that.

RegDwight АΑA

Jun 18 at 13:43, by Jasper Loy

@Mitch Like I wanted to stop at 1000 downvotes, but I'll stop at 1050 intead, which I have.

Robusto

@RegDwightАΑA No, you just finished this level. The princess awaits at a higher level. And Jasper just starred his own reference, as he is wont to do.

waiwai933

@JasperLoy Stop at 1111. That's a better number.

user19161

21:37

@RegDwightАΑA Thwack!

Mitch

@JasperLoy I'm not sure. I do know that his posts here at ELU have been weird. and that he was suspended from SO (or somewhere else) for a long time for 'weirdness'.

RegDwight АΑA

@JasperLoy here's a woosh for your thwack. You so do not get how thwacks work. Also, wooshes.

Gigili

@RegDwightАΑA Umm, Times New Roman?

RegDwight АΑA

@Gigili yes. 300 times, to be precise. Until you run out of city walls.

Mar 7 '11 at 13:18, by Robusto

Romani ite domum! Romani ite domum! Romani ite domum! Romani ite domum! Romani ite domum! Romani ite domum! Romani ite domum! Romani ite domum! Romani ite domum! Romani ite domum! Romani ite domum! Romani ite domum! Romani ite domum! Romani ite domum! Romani ite domum! Romani ite domum! Romani ite domum! Romani ite domum! Romani ite domum! Romani ite domum! Romani ite domum! Romani ite domum!

user19161

@Robusto Wrong, you know I don't do stars in chat...

RegDwight АΑA

21:38

@JasperLoy wait, you do stars IRL????

Robusto

@JasperLoy I know no such thing.

RegDwight АΑA

Who now? Mariah Carey?

user19161

@RegDwightАΑA Yes, I made thousands of stars for my beloved.

RegDwight АΑA

Ah, the make vs do conundrum. Tricky, tricky this language is.

Robusto

@RegDwightАΑA So who is stepping down as mod, or is the pool increasing?

user19161

21:40

The first bottle got burnt but rescued. It was the only thing she saved from her burning house.

RegDwight АΑA

@Robusto it's only earlier today that I felt compelled to point out, on the main site, how the difference between wont and wonk is an important one.

Robusto

@RegDwightАΑA As you are oft wonk to do.

Matt Эллен

lol

RegDwight АΑA

@Robusto they see our three and raise us, uh, oh I have no idea about this poker talk, but there's two new spots.

user19161

@Mitch Surely he can't be as weird as me???

MetaEd

21:41

@RegDwightАΑA Is that like "the laundry is out of the hamper"?

RegDwight АΑA

@MetaEd yes, it is exactly like that, except in the places it's slightly through completely different.

Robusto

@RegDwightАΑA There is no "see" — there are only "raise," "call," and "fold."

RegDwight АΑA

@Robusto that I know.

Mitch

@JasperLoy He's not -that- kind of weird.

Hm...that came out wrong.

RegDwight АΑA

What I was wondering, if you raise do you announce the difference or the total?

MetaEd

21:43

@Robusto When nine hundred years old you reach, bluff this well you will not.

Mitch

You're not weird by any measure (unless of course you want me to call you weird)

I'm using weird for EC as a euphemism/way not to spend time explaining something vague.

Robusto

@RegDwightАΑA If you say "raise" you have to bet at least as much as was bet into you. You don't have to decide right away. Saying "raise" is sufficient to announce that you plan to bet at least as much more as the person whose bet you are raising.

RegDwight АΑA

Yeah, that part is clear.

user19161

I am surprised to see EC and IADapter take part, they just seem to suddenly pop out.

RegDwight АΑA

My question is, once you have decided to raise from 3 to 5, do you announce that as 2 or 5?

Robusto

21:45

But you can't say "call" and then change your mind and "raise"; this prevents the nefarious practice known as the string bet

Mahnax

Well, I'm off to work. Talk to you all later.

Gigili

@Mahnax Bye!

user19161

@Mahnax Have fun!

Matt Эллен

CU @Mahnax

good night y'all

Robusto

@RegDwightАΑA If the bet is $100, and you say "raise $200" you are putting $300 into the pot.

RegDwight АΑA

21:46

@Robusto ah thank you.

So. They are raising two.

user19161

@matt Yuo posted all your stats there, good thinking!

user19161

I don't even know how to play poker.

RegDwight АΑA

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Q: "any requirement" or "any requirements"?

Which of the following expressions is grammatically correct: I will let you know if I come across "any requirement". I will let you know if I come across "any requirements". Thank you in advance.

grammatical-number

I've seen this before.

In fact, I think I answered.

user19161

EC misspelled Wiktionary. Spelling is very important in an election statement.

RegDwight АΑA

2

Q: Is "any" also used with plurals?

I found on a research paper the following statement: Is any particular images satisfying the requirements ? I thought any can only be used with singular terms. So I was surprised when I've seen "images" rather than "image". Am I correct?

grammaticality grammatical-number determiners

Robusto

21:49

Yes. If you see it on a web site, it must be worth a serious discussion of grammar.

RegDwight АΑA

I guess it would get closed as gen-ref now.

user19161

What? I just saw the "sexual relations" in Kit's statement. Seriously?

RegDwight АΑA

Well she'll get a nice call from Rebecca wondering if she's serious about that.

Feb 18 '11 at 16:32, by Martha

Also, I received an email from Rebecca Chernoff asking whether my nomination was serious. Tee hee. :)

user19161

I mean, who would understnad her other than the people in chat?

RegDwight АΑA

Sorry, email. Not call. Sorry to disappoint you @Kit. No calls.

user19161

21:52

@RegDwightАΑA Oh, if martha got one kit will get two.

Robusto

So are any mods resigning? Or do all current mods have to reroll?

user19161

@Robusto They stay on for life till fired I think.

mmyers

@Robusto Nope and nope.

user19161

This reminds me of The Apprentice: "You're fired!"

Robusto

What, mod is equivalent to Pope or Supreme Course Justice now?

RegDwight АΑA

21:54

It ain't called Stack for no reason.

Them mods is stacked. Not FIFOed.

mmyers

They have to stack the mods on top of each other to fit them all

Robusto

I didn't know they Stacked shit that high.

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user19161

@Robusto That's why it is called Overflow.

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Robusto

Jasper — lol. You finally made me lol you.

RegDwight АΑA

@Robusto also, which part of "raise" did you not understand? You yourself said that it adds up.

Robusto

21:56

@RegDwightАΑA Seven. I didn't understand seven. Or eight.

RegDwight АΑA

Ah. A clever move. Clever, clever.

Except that you don't move in poker.

Robusto

Well, I wanted to go see The Dark Knight Rises but I don't think I can withstand the hail of bullets, so I'll wait for Blu-Ray.

Gigili

@RegDwightАΑA Sorry but what the hell? Isn't FIFO a kind of stack? Just like LIFO? Or should I tell the one who taught me DS he did it all wrong?

RegDwight АΑA

@Gigili just tell everybody they are wrong. This is the Internet, after all.

Robusto

@Gigili LIFO is a stack. FIFO is a queue. I thought we went over this.

RegDwight АΑA

22:00

@Robusto are you saying you are not the target audience for ads such as this?

Actually I think the term "target audience" is in for an overhaul...

Robusto

@RegDwightАΑA That is correct. That model is wearing way too much clothing for me to be the target (ahem) audience.

Jinx.

RegDwight АΑA

@Robusto too much Jackie Brown, obviously.

►

Robusto

►

Obviously

RegDwight АΑA

Well yes.

> 2.101 positive Bewertungen, 414 negative Bewertungen

414 people haven't seen Jackie Brown.

Robusto

Wenigstens.

RegDwight АΑA

22:07

Mindestens, even.

Wenigstens makes it sound like a good thing.

Funny, never thought about that.

Robusto

@RegDwightАΑA Interesting. I thought it was affectless.

RegDwight АΑA

I guess mindestens does work as a one-size-fits-all...

But wenigstens is really more of a "well at least we've got that (going for us)"

Robusto

OK, mindestens then. AT LEAST mindestens.

RegDwight АΑA

Wife needs to visit cellar. BRB.

Robusto

My wife is home as well. AFK.

Cerberus

23:05

@MetaEd: Of course not! It was just about the choice of words.

simchona

@Paola your consderations are so sweet that I could not reply even I was right? However, I am an enginer and so, i do not have any knoledge on this linguistic matters. Happy to hear from you, forever. — Carlo_R. 3 mins ago

?

Mitch

She showed him pictures.

simchona

23:20

It's like a love letter

Gigili

@Carlo_R.: Will you nominate yourself?

Oops, he left.

simchona

Hi @Gigili

Gigili

Hello @simchona.

Oh I see you're also there.

This is getting complicated.

simchona

Why?

Robusto

23:41

Because we need a fresh perspective, I'm thinking of "running" for moderator with the following message: "This is to inform you that I am most emphatically not running for moderator. If nominated, I will not run. If elected, I will not serve. Thank you for your support."

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Gigili

23:52

Yes, just because of that.

simchona

english.stackexchange.com/posts/75674/revisions

I think this is General Reference. Googling "trapidation" comes up with "trepidation"

Gigili

NARQ, maybe?

> What would be the word that comes after “We have some fears and” in a Penn State alumnus word’s on NCAA’s dealing?

simchona

Either way, I feel bad because he usually asks good questions

Gigili

It could be anything, even stuff.

We have some fears and stuff.

Yes, I remember him.

simchona

And if it sounds like "trapidation", that triggers "did you mean trepidation?" so...either way, it's not a widely applicable question either

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