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19:00
9 hours ago, by Robusto
It's called capitalism.
@MattЭллен Yes, but this is excessive capitalism...
and a three headed dog isn't excessive when guarding dead people? I mean, they're dead already!
If you regulate the market well, and beware of regulatory capture, it doesn't have to be so bad as thus.
@MattЭллен Hey, would you like throngs of ghosts disturbing your peace at night?
@Cerberus I'm sure a sturdy gate will keep them at bay
They are flimsy wisps.
They can penetrate iron.
19:03
Hades should build an anti flimsy wisp gate
Ahhhh my phone won't recognise any SIM card any more!
@MattЭллен He has me.
Stupid phone!
Why did you break?
@Cerberus but what about all the good stuff that happens because rules get broken?
Perhaps it is time to order that Galaxy Nexus.
19:04
can you imagine how much more patient we would all have to be, how many fewer lives would get saved?
@MattЭллен Like which?
you slow the circulation of money, you slow the pace of change
@Cerberus "excessive capitalism"
isn't that like "military intelligence"
Haha.
Nah.
@MattЭллен What is this about?
I hate my phone!
Stupid beast.
@Cerberus just chuck it behind you.
19:08
@Cerberus well, money is the token we (the west) use to get things done. if money isn't going where it's needed because moving it about is regulated, then change doesn't happen.
@cornbreadninja I need it!
@Cerberus :\
@Cerberus yup, you need a new phone.
I have three spares that still work... whether they will work on your networks, I don't know
I have a spare.
but they're not smart phones
19:10
Yes, my spare is dumb too.
they're old, old phones
All my phones are old.
Trying safe boot...*praying*
I once replaced the screen in this phone, but I'm not going to take it apart again.
It is 5 years old.
That is 100 in phone years.
A normal guy gets a new, prettier one when it turns 30 or so, so after a year and a half.
Why don't you buy a GN?
Money?
How much?
19:12
But I think it is GN times, yes.
I need € 350.
Safe mode doesn't work.
Why not get the GS III now? the GN is so 7 months ago
Money.
hugs helpful flags
Yeah, you're waiting too long. Just don't do that in real life when you have a girl in mind.
Don't worry.
19:14
Who me?
speaking of...
@Cerberus You're supposed to say "Freedom", because the GN will let you install other android variants on it whereas the S III is not designed for that (though it may work, maybe not)
@KitFox Who else?
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Q: lack of work ethic

Restrict "Lack of a work ethnic is a problem for companies." "Lack of work ethnic is a problem for companies." Should article "a" be necessary?

@MrShinyandNew安宇 You can flash roms on the S3.
19:14
kill it
With one bullet?
@KitFox Yes, why aren't you making a move?
@Cerberus through an officially supported mechanism?
You know flashing a ROM is not "official".
Besides, what do you mean by "other variants"?
Google provides OS upgrades for the GN themselves; upgrades for the S3 come from Samsung (and originally from Google too, obviously, but with some changes by Samsung).
@Cerberus Haven't I mentioned my little problem?
19:17
@MrShinyandNew安宇 I agree that direct updates from Google, and no Samsungware, are an advantage of the GN.
@KitFox Yes, you have. I think I have mentioned my little problem too.
@Cerberus I mean installing something like "cyanogenMod"
Those exist for many phones?
Google phones are explicitly set up so that you can install a third-party Android distro if you want
Not for the GN, I think.
I think CM for the GN is still in the making.
i.e. the Google phones are not locked such that rooting and installing firmware is difficult. They are unlocked.
19:19
Oh, you just mean the locked bootloader?
The samsung phones, who knows. Depends on what variant and what carrier.
Easy enough to unlock anyway, but sure.
@Cerberus yes. And the availability of the required software such as drivers.
Google makes it all available.
Sure, but still, there are countless mods for many phones.
And CM for the GN isn't even ready yet! I wonder why it is taking so long.
At least a few weeks ago it wasn't.
@Cerberus But you need to know ahead of time if a particular model of a particular phone is rootable or not.
19:21
EL&U has 3 mods, and it's not even a phone
@MrShinyandNew安宇 They are all rootable.
The Nexus phones are all rootable out of the box.
@Cerberus No
Sure they are.
You are just talking about an unlocked bootloader.
Which can be unlocked too.
@Cerberus some phones have self-destruct fuses which literally brick the phone if you try to unlock the bootloader
Not the S3 in any case. Not my old Windows Mobile.
Can you name a model that has that?
19:22
I'm rootable.
Eww.
Now all I need is a cooperative mod.
Yessss! I love it when I write code smartly.
I wish I could do that more often.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Seriously, I would be very surprised if you could find a single Android phone that does that. Or an Iphone.
Yay!
19:25
Now to compose an email to the project lead to mention that I haven't heard from him.
@KitFox congrats! me too
ok @Cerb so there was an update to that story which I didn't see. The phone doesn't brick. the eFuse just prevents the phone from actually booting.
Until you restore the approved OS
tries to remain calm
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Right, that's better. It sounded too good to be true.
19:31
I am feeling really irritated. Can you guys give me a reality check?
Anyway, the presence or absence of a locked bootloader is only one part of the puzzle of whether or not you can install third-party firmware on your phone. Most samsung models are not well supported.
You want a reality check from ELU?
Wait.
@KitFox Don't panic! Your kids love you.
Sure. You like me. You'll tell me what I want to hear.
@KitFox Arg I would punch that guy in the nose if I ever got to meet him!
19:32
Um, I haven't told you what I'm irritated about yet.
But thanks.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Uh I think that Droid business is rare.
@KitFox I know what he's like.
I believe all modern Samsung phones can be rooted.
@KitFox Then we don't even need to know what you're irritated about. Whatever it is, you're all good. Really.
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Q: English Usage: Did vs Have?

utxeeeIf I was a train assistant and I had to know the total number of meals for that day, how should I approach a passenger ? Would you like to have dinner ? Have you had dinner already ? Have you dinner already ? Is the second question grammatically correct ?

@KitFox So what did he do?
@Cerberus What good is a rooted phone if you can't get the radio working, or the display, because there are no working drivers?
19:34
So we met 6/13 to discuss the requirements for the Sept release. I sent out a tentative timeline, we met again on 7/2 and the requirements changed. He was supposed to get back to me with answers from the woman we are to partner with, and he hasn't.
@Cerberus Motorola isn't exactly some two-bit phone vendor
@MrShinyandNew安宇 You can: there are excellent mods for those phones.
I reminded him yesterday and again today, but I'm thinking we just need to sit down and hash out the requirements with her directly.
@Cerberus Find me an excellent mod for the Samsung Galaxy Gio?
It's been one month and I have no idea what they expect me to do by Sept and there really isn't much time to do anything else anyway.
19:35
@KitFox Ack, that sounds frustrating.
Or Cyanogen on the Motorola Atrix?
Thing is, we don't meet again until 7/16.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 I don't know about that phone, but I hear people about mods for the S series all the time.
@KitFox that's the anniversary of the Apollo 11 launch
If the requirement isn't settled by then, we won't have two more weeks for him to play the telephone game.
19:36
@Cerberus yes, the S series is well supported. Congrats, that's one line out of like two dozen android lines that Samsung has on the go at any moment.
You were talking about the S3.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Thanks, that makes me feel better.
@KitFox How does that work? He calls this woman and leaves messages?
@Cerberus No, I was talking about recommending the Nexus line to the exclusion of all the others, because it is more open and better supported, period.
@Cerberus I have no idea. He has sent her an email. But I haven't talked to her. He asks her, relays her answers to us, and then our questions back to her.
It's fucking asinine.
19:38
@MrShinyandNew安宇 In any case, there is no CM for the GN yet, while I believe there is one for many other Samsung and HTC phones, so that wouldn't be much a consideration.
@Cerberus That's becasue the GN requires CM 9 which isn't finished yet
@KitFox Very inefficient. Would he get mad if you contacted her directly?
But actually the GN port has been more or less ready for some time, however, CM releases as many working ports as they can at once.
@Cerberus Yes. It would be improper for me to do so.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Exactly. So it takes more than 8 months, apparently.
19:40
What he should be doing is arranging for her to meet with the rest of us.
@Cerberus you can just get the beta release
@KitFox How about if you write a message for her, e-mail it to B, ask him to pass it on to her? Then it will be more efficient, but he won't feel bypassed.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 I believe it lacks some functions?
@Cerberus OK, let's back up. I don't want "helpful advice," I want to know if I am "being crazy."
@Cerberus I don't think it does for the GN? but who knows. Anyway, the S III on Verizon in the US is being sold boot-loader locked. So there is no guarantee that a useful unlock will ever be achieved in the interesting lifespan of that phone.
@KitFox From what I hear, you are not crazy: he sounds inefficient, holding things up for everyone.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 droidviews.com/2012/…
19:43
@KitFox It's not really crazy to need requirements before doing your work
@MrShinyandNew安宇 So what if I can't nail them down before it's too late? It will look like it's my fault for not being able to complete the work.
@Cerberus yes, thank you, I know that people are working on roms for it. Did you read the part about how at least one major carrier is shipping that very phone in a locked state?
@KitFox If that's how they will interpret it, there isn't much you can do, you are set up for failure. How much info do you have for the requirements? Enough to estimate a wild-ass guess or set an upper limit on the work?
@KitFox You could send him an e-mail, politely suggesting that you need the requirements before date x, or you won't have enough tome to get things done in time. Then you can later use that as "proof", refer to it when he blames you.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Well, on the one hand, I may just need to figure out how to add a set of schools, students, and users to our existing system, which will need to be split into two separate, parallel databases/websites.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 > Developers -- or hackers depending on how your opinion of the process -- at XDA and RootzWiki have already bypassed the lock and achieved a root and flash ClockworkMod recovery according to Android Police. More information on the process can be found at RootzWiki and XDA.
19:47
@KitFox I'd start planning and estimating that.
@Cerberus good. Until Verizon pushes out a firmware update that breaks that bypass.
On the other hand, I may need to add another entire set of pages, a new permission set, and a new role, and figure out how to manually connect students to the new role, plus all that other stuff.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Besides, my considerations when buying a phone are not related to North American markets, so that means nothing to me: of course I wouldn't buy an un-unlockable phone—but I think those are rare here.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Trouble is, I don't have any idea what sort of information they can provide me with. I can make some spreadsheet forms, but that will take a day.
19:48
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Then you don't update it—why would you?
Oh I have to run, later!
@Cerberus Because your phone updates itself and you don't notice until it's too late? Or you bought the phone after the update shipped?
@Cerberus Sure, I can't claim to know what the European market is like either. But the point is that non-Nexus phones: buyer beware. Nexus: unlocked. That's it.
So go for the GN
So I'm kind of stuck between "I can finish everything ahead of schedule and just wait for information" and "I am totally hosed and have to rapidly determine priorities."
Gah. Fscker:
> Sorry not to email you last week, I was away, and meant to jot it down that night.
So he's known for the last week and hasn't bothered to fill me in.
punches mental image of project lead
Just gold-plate the UI with JQUery-UI and make it look super-awesome, and ignore the fact that there are no new features in the next release
hello @simchona
d'oh; kitty gone
@MrShinyandNew安宇 I'm afraid I can't do that, Dave.
19:58
@KitFox Then open the air-lock
I got it wrong, but whateves.
hi smart people :D
Anyway, I'm off for home. Later!
@nikeunltd Hi, bye!
bye
@KitFox see yahh
@KitFox "Depending on what the scope of work turns out to be, it may be impossible to meet the customer's expectations for delivery date"
"fucker"
20:12
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Buyer beware I agree on. Not buying the S3 because it can't be modded is not an issue for me. But I'm buying the GN anyway, so this whole discussion is moot, buwahaha!
@Cerberus Yeah, you don't care about your freedom, that's why you still run XP
and not, say, Linux
The S3 has freedom here!
@MrShinyandNew安宇 I like Linux for that reason. I would be using it of not for Windows's larger user base and compatibility.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 You are like a North-Korean spy warning me not to buy books at the airport because they might contain spy cams.
@Cerberus haha, yes, exactly like that.
except nobody has ever used spy-cams in books but there are many cases of anti-features in software.
North Korerica nonetheless.
And don't call me a racist!
Why would north Korean spies by warning you about buying books? wouldn't they more likely be trying to sell you comically-oversized books with suspiciously-loud mechanical video cameras inside?
time to go. bye
20:26
Have fun!
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Counter spies!
good night!
Good night.
Next one?
20:42
Dijkstra was right.
21:00
Boy, that was obviously a buzzkill comment. Sorry.
21:16
Is it just me, or do primarily ESLers use nowadays?
Do I?
@MetaEd oh would I, would I
I'll show myself out.
21:33
I use nowadays sometimes, but I slightly dislike the word, so as little as possible.
I use sometimes nowadays, so I slightly dislike the word, but as little as possible.
I like sometimes sometimes.
21:50
@waiwai933: Have a minute?
@Gigili Things seem to be going well, btw!
Oh?
Oh now I see. Yes, pretty much so.
Good.
 
1 hour later…
23:08
Well
Time to take my banjo and go home.

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