English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

simchona

13:01

I knew I had seen it before. I wonder who ever he could be.

Matt Эллен

heh

Originally his (now deleted) question wasn't formatted like a Nortonn S question.

Noah fixed it up to look that way

but the wording is kinda telltale

simchona

It looked like his "technical grounds" q

clabacchio

Another quick question...anyone here?

RegDwight ΒВB

No!

That was easy.

Matt Эллен

lol

clabacchio

13:04

@RegDwightΒВB lol

that was to warm up

now the real one

what's the proper verb to use with "internship"?

attending? doing?

@RegDwightΒВB anyway the answer was "yes" :)

Matt Эллен

can you give an example sentence?

simchona

I'd go with "doing" unless you're just describing that you have a job

clabacchio

@MattЭллен I have to say that I've *** an internship

Matt Эллен

e.g. "I am running an internship programme at IBM"

simchona

Landed?

clabacchio

13:06

@simchona mh, and to describe it as a past experience?

simchona

Like "I had an internship at IBM last summer"?

Matt Эллен

@clabacchio done, worked through

RegDwight ΒВB

Completed.

Matt Эллен

yeah, had works as well

simchona

It all depends on what you're trying to say

clabacchio

13:07

Thanks!

simchona

"Had" implies just holding the position

clabacchio

it's for a cover letter

simchona

"Completed" implies having worked through the position

0

Q: From, Out of, Among

Ten contestants out of one hundred contestants made the final. Ten contestants from one hundred contestants made the final. Ten contestants from among one hundred contestants made the final. Ten contestants among one hundred contestants made the final. Are out of, from, from among, ...

Why did this get an upvote

KitFox

"I interned at IBM last summer"?

Matt Эллен

maybe someone's finger slipped?

RegDwight ΒВB

13:08

Because it's not asking for an egg-salad sandwich recipe.

That is a lot these days.

KitFox

Good morning.

Matt Эллен

Hiya @Kit :)

RegDwight ΒВB

Huzzahae's.

German kezboard strikes ägäin.

simchona

Speaking of that question, why is it still up... looks at Reg

KitFox

I was wondering about a recipe for chicken-salad sandwich? May I ask on the main site here?

RegDwight ΒВB

13:11

Speaking of that question, it has zero close votes after half an hour... looks at simchona.

clabacchio

Sorry, if I say "attended"?

simchona

What grounds would I close it on? I already threw a flag

Am I supposed to NARQ it?

RegDwight ΒВB

@KitFox you may if you masquerade it as a question about a euphemism for youth in Asia.

@simchona well what am I supposed to do?

At this point it's just a question.

simchona

@RegDwightΒВB You can't tie it to the suspended account?

RegDwight ΒВB

I can. If it is indeed him.

Matt Эллен

13:12

@clabacchio you can say attended, but it seems a bit non-committal. Like you turned up, but didn't do anything.

clabacchio

@MattЭллен spent?

simchona

@RegDwightΒВB Why wouldn't it be? Same MO.

KitFox

@clabacchio What are you trying to say again?

Matt Эллен

@clabacchio I wouldn't use spent. I like Reg's completed.

RegDwight ΒВB

That one costs you quite some sponduli in royalties.

clabacchio

13:15

@RegDwightΒВB oh, if it's not DRM-free I won't use it

Matt Эллен

@clabacchio unless you're saying "I spent June 2012 as an intern at Subway" or something

RegDwight ΒВB

It is absolutely DRM-free. It has just one tiny kit at its root.

KitFox

Hey! I am not tiny!

Matt Эллен

:D

clabacchio

lol

RegDwight ΒВB

13:16

You should unroll yourself. I can barely see you.

KitFox

i iz sleepin!

RegDwight ΒВB

Well okay. Let me reword if we have the time. It is absolutely DRM-free. It has just one giant dormant rootkit, is all.

KitFox

tee hee hee

Frank Science

I find it difficult for me to recite the english words.

RegDwight ΒВB

How do you mean?

simchona

13:20

@Reg, what will convince you that MailS = Nortonn S? The MO is the same, the comments are the same...with a user who has spent the last full week (or more) creating sock puppets, why not delete it while it's still unanswered?

RegDwight ΒВB

Oh, comments, you say?

Matt Эллен

he's not asked any of his previous questions yet. It's difficult to say for sure until he does that.

KitFox

Anyone happen to remember how I did that super simple zebra striping in jQuery? I hate it when I can't just copy paste from something else I used to have. I probably ought to have a notebook with these things.

Matt Эллен

on a table?

here is a tutorial

simchona

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Q: What should we do in cases where they exixt similar tags

While I was reading this question I wondered whether it were correct to tag that with [prepositions], but I saw that there are two tags of this type: [prepositions] and [preposition]. Searching and searching, in this question I read that we should prefer the plural form. Since there are only 9 ...

bug tags

I must be in a crabby mood.

KitFox

13:30

@MattЭллен Oh, that's the one I was looking for. Thanks.

simchona

He tags everything as a bug.

RegDwight ΒВB

@KitFox serves you right for not leaving the code in the transcript, only a beardy man.

Jun 13 at 17:08, by KitFox

Matt Эллен

@KitFox you're welcome (see, helping! ;)

KitFox

@RegDwightΒВB lulz

Grizzly Adams. I am so funny.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

hey everyone

RegDwight ΒВB

13:33

Hello Shiny.

You have bogged for ELU, right?

Change your words of pass.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I found a higgs boson under my bed this morning. Funny how you read about it in the paper, and then they're everywhere. Must be the recency illusion.

RegDwight ΒВB

The Baader-Meinhof phenomenon.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwightΒВB Yeah they sent me an email. I don't remember what my password was so I don't know if I should be worried that someone might have it.

KitFox

Oh, I should change my password? I don't even remember my login.

RegDwight ΒВB

Wait, you bogged, too? I know I should always suspect that of an Irishperson.

KitFox

13:36

It was a rare bog.

RegDwight ΒВB

I suppose many people visit your bog every day, but I wasn't one of them.

KitFox

Never?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Does anyone visit the ELU blog?

I don't think I've been back since the Grammar Girl interview

KitFox

I'd forgotten about it.

RegDwight ΒВB

I can't speak for anyone. You should give him a call.

KitFox

13:37

Is there even a link to it from the main page?

RegDwight ΒВB

At the bottomae's.

Matt Эллен

I keep going back to get a link to waiwai's "a vs an" article

user19161

That blog is dead.

RegDwight ΒВB

It's also on stackexchange.com/blogs

Matt Эллен

long live that blog!

KitFox

13:39

Oh right. I always scroll to the bottom of the page to look in the footer for interesting things.

user19161

Let's cast our votes to delete the blog then.

Matt Эллен

I want to keep it!

it has useful stuff in it

RegDwight ΒВB

@KitFox Hey now. Nortonn et al. work so hard to ensure that the interesting things are not at the top.

Matt Эллен

we could make more if we got the impetus

KitFox

I like the pineapple cartoon!

Matt Эллен

13:40

thanks :)

KitFox

That could be Matt's writing practice!

Matt Эллен

Teaching people English?

user19161

Back to the old fox @kit I see.

Matt Эллен

hmmmm

KitFox

@JasperLoy I wanted to let Reg know how much I valued his friendship. Subtly, of course.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

13:41

I was under the impression that blog topics were going to be assigned, or something, and that there would be someone shepherding the writers to get material done on some kind of schedule, so that we'd have an orderly progression of posts

Robusto

Heyaz peoples.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Instead it was just anarchy

or ashepherdy

Robusto

BTW, Simon Pegg had a July 4th message for "you yanks." I'm sure he didn't mean it as an insult.

Matt Эллен

hiya @Robusto

RegDwight ΒВB

Shaun of the Dead!

Matt Эллен

13:42

Dawn of the shed!

Robusto

The very same!

user19161

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Very idealistic.

user19161

House of the Dead.

user19161

Dead of the House.

KitFox

I love that Simon Pegg. I would like to do dirty, dirty things to him.

Robusto

13:44

@JasperLoy Sometimes jokes just need to die a natural death, Jasper. You don't always have to kill them.

user19161

Er, what kind of dirty things?

RegDwight ΒВB

He doesn't have to, yes.

Matt Эллен

:D

Robusto

@RegDwightΒВB Maybe that's his super power.

RegDwight ΒВB

Then I'd rather be friends with Matter Eater Lad.

user19161

13:46

ELL needs 9 more followers.

Robusto

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Q: What should we do in cases where they exixt similar tags

While I was reading this question I wondered whether it were correct to tag that with prepositions, but I saw that there are two tags of this type: prepositions and preposition. Searching and searching, in this question I read that we should prefer the plural form. Since there are only 9 questi...

discussion tags

Looks like iCarlo strikes again.

RegDwight ΒВB

@JasperLoy And OVER 9000 more followers who know how to vote on questions.

What's with all the new visitors? Them's no mods and I'm no seeing no flags. Puzzling!

user19161

@RegDwightΒВB Well, it does not seem too popular at the moment. Maybe nobody knows about it except the people who come to chat.

Robusto

Don't look now, but we're being invaded.

RegDwight ΒВB

Hey people don't use this room to shuffle your gravatars! Go to Poker.SE or something.

Oh I mean sorry, Poker is a Board Game now.

user19161

13:48

@Robusto Yeah, I don't even know what I have done.

Matt Эллен

@Robusto or cosied up to?

RegDwight ΒВB

@JasperLoy you must be joking. It has progressed faster in ten days than many a proposal in thirteen months!

user19161

@RegDwightΒВB See, I don't even know that was a joke. I am awesome like that! Hahaha.

simchona

@Robusto Everything is a bug.

RegDwight ΒВB

No, everything is a bog.

Matt Эллен

13:49

@simchona "Things don't work the way Carlo thinks they should" == bug ;)

simchona

@MattЭллен Or, "the rep system is so broken...let's fix it!"

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I could use a nap, do any of you have a spare?

RegDwight ΒВB

@MrShinyandNew安宇 I am fresh out of naps. I could offer you a crocodile rock instead.

Matt Эллен

my nap sack is empty

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Thanks, now I have a song in my head

KitFox

13:51

g2g later!

RegDwight ΒВB

Your wellcum.

Matt Эллен

CU @Kit

user19161

@RegDwightΒВB Geezis.

RegDwight ΒВB

@JasperLoy You can say "you" to me.

Mitch

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Q: English word conjugation rules

I am a programmer whose most recent project involves Natural Language Parsing and I need to be able to conjugate English Verbs and Nouns. I already have a list of Verb Irregulars but I am struggling to find a set of "rules" if you will, for conjugating regular English verbs. I know there are a ...

grammatical-number conjugation

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

13:52

@RegDwightΒВB Unless Cerb is around, and then he has to use the more proper "thou" instead of this newfangled "singular you" nonsense

Mitch

A great question for ELL?

RegDwight ΒВB

@Mitch Yeah that one's funneh.

Matt Эллен

so, your and you're can just become the homophones yor. They're, their and there can become the homophones thair

RegDwight ΒВB

@Mitch I guess so.

Mitch

Or even GR for ELL?

RegDwight ΒВB

13:53

@MrShinyandNew安宇 yeah that's the joke.

@Mitch leave the decision to others. Also, it's not a fact ELL will have GR.

user19161

@RegDwightΒВB Yeah, after all it is for the GR questions here.

Mitch

But got upvotd answers. The OP is a native speaker, just... WTF... Uneducated?

RegDwight ΒВB

I have no idea. No idea.

Mitch

I'm just ranting.

RegDwight ΒВB

It's not like English has too many conjugation rules to begin with.

As far as I'm concerned it's a NARQ, but on ELL it could be quite valuable.

Matt Эллен

13:56

I apple, you appley, he/she/it/one appup, we apple, they op. Man irregular verbs are hard.

especially if thair made up verbs

user19161

One can say it's NARQ, it's a NARQ, or it's an NARQ, fascinating.

Matt Эллен

Naive about rural quotients

user19161

Newborns are really quiet.

Matt Эллен

Nuanced audience rivals quotidien

Nationalist anger riles Queen

RegDwight ΒВB

Nonsense and real qrap.

Mitch

14:07

Rial = 'gave a rial'?

user19161

@RegDwightΒВB Not counted, boo.

RegDwight ΒВB

@JasperLoy that's NCB. You fail.

Matt Эллен

lol

user19161

@MattЭллен You lol before I understand what has happened.

user19161

I am so slow...

Robusto

14:08

@simchona Funny, but what you call a bug I call a feature. My code frequently has lots of extra "features" that stupid people (read: QA) like to complain about.

Matt Эллен

@JasperLoy but you've caught up!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

ooh, the backronym game, my favourite

RegDwight ΒВB

@Robusto Yeah like you write software that tries to save energy and they complain that it "crashes".

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

never accost randy quiche

need air, real quick

Matt Эллен

Naked augur realises quiddity

Robusto

14:11

@RegDwightΒВB i no rite

@MattЭллен Did you mean quiddity?

RegDwight ΒВB

Need a raunchy quid.

Matt Эллен

yeah

Robusto

No allegories require quantification.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

no arthropods require quicksilver

Robusto

Hey, require had been retired.

Also, no.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

14:12

that was a jinx, so I'll allow it

Robusto

Never answer RegDwight's questions.

5

RegDwight ΒВB

@Robusto I knew you wore boing to say that.

Matt Эллен

Nautilus angrily raises quail

Robusto

Boing!

RegDwight ΒВB

Anagram that.

Robusto

14:14

Bingo!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

nobody anagram RegDwight's questions

Matt Эллен

no awkward racy quotes

Robusto

Note that I could have said "never answer Robusto's questions," but it's funnier when the joke is directed at someone else.

Matt Эллен

Never ask Robusto's qualities

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

no, assholes read Quixote

Matt Эллен

14:17

Newly announced royal quorum

Robusto

The joke is on the ground now, fellas. It's taken quite a beating. I don't think it will be able to get up on its own.

Matt Эллен

joke?

RegDwight ΒВB

So what is this Trello thing?

Matt Эллен

backronyms r sirius bizniss

Robusto

sigh Do I need to get the Wikipedia joke page in here?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

14:18

nobody acknowledge robusto's quacking

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Matt Эллен

@RegDwightΒВB lists or something that you can share, maybe?

Robusto

Nice: admirable Robusto's quips

RegDwight ΒВB

@MattЭллен I have read the entire front page. I have read Joel's blog. It's allegedly all neat and shiny and self-explanatory and I don't understand a thing and I have no idea why anyone would ever use any such thing, whatever the thing is.

Matt Эллен

looks like a project management tool

RegDwight ΒВB

> Use Trello to organize a wedding, hiking trip, or tropical vacation. Keep track of supplies, florists, hotels, photographers, venues, rental cars, or DJs. See what's been booked and what's been confirmed. Invite fellow organizers and participants and keep them in the loop.

I can't even begin to not understand this.

But I'm told that 22% of the 131000 people who looked at it the very first day signed up.

So I'll file it under Twitter.

> Ditch your scattered notebooks, sticky notes, and text files. Use Trello for keeping track of grocery items, errands, or house work.

Looks like Joel's an architecture astronaut now.

> The hiring process can be long and difficult to manage. Keep track of whether candidates have received a phone screen or an interview, assign team members to do an interview, and discuss potential employees.

Matt Эллен

14:24

well, I've signed up. I don't know if I'll ever use it though

RegDwight ΒВB

I already use Google Wave for that.

Matt Эллен

I can't change the default board...

I want to remove all the lists

oh, ok. you can't delete.

you archive everything

hopefully that means delete

RegDwight ΒВB

The curse of Web 2.0.

Matt Эллен

it is pretty easy to use

RegDwight ΒВB

So is Twitter. But what is it?

Matt Эллен

14:30

you make lists and group them on boards and add people to the baords and lists and items on lists

it's more private than twitter

and can be used to organise things

in a more organised way than twitter

RegDwight ΒВB

And then those people go "WTF remove me from this shit"? Or you add them without telling them?

Matt Эллен

I don't know, I have no one to add

RegDwight ΒВB

I see. By which I mean, I don't.

Matt Эллен

You can only add people with trello accounts

you can't just add someone

OK, so to add someone you send them an invite

RegDwight ΒВB

So much for "Keep track of supplies, florists, hotels, photographers, venues, rental cars, or DJs."

Matt Эллен

14:32

I guess they can decline if they like

RegDwight ΒВB

Decline? How about not read?

Matt Эллен

yeah, I guess if no one reads your invites, you'll be pretty lonely

RegDwight ΒВB

I'd never thunk I will reach my sixties in my thirties, but then the Web thing happened, and it made me want to drop out of life and just go play Tetris on the original Game Boy.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

you probably don't need to add people to use the product properly

It looks to me like a list management tool

Matt Эллен

@RegDwightΒВB that was the best soundtrack for tetris. The DS soundtrack was not the same

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

14:36

so if you have a TODO list, you can use that

►

Matt Эллен

@MrShinyandNew安宇 yeah, but now I have a to do list, I want to get you to do my work.

@MrShinyandNew安宇 yay!

RegDwight ΒВB

Come to think of it, my grocery list is made of paper and ink. I am in my sixties.

Matt Эллен

grocery list... I used to make one of those when I wasn't single. Now I just about remember to buy enough food each week. I'm saving the rain forests one small piece of paper at a time.

RegDwight ΒВB

I am actually waiting for the first generation of people not able to write, only type.

We will witness it in our lifetime.

Matt Эллен

then we could start a scribes guild! Charge extortionate fees to teach the art of hand writing

RegDwight ΒВB

14:39

@MattЭллен oh I should add that I make the list on the backside of the previous receipt.

Matt Эллен

@RegDwightΒВB clever

our receipts come with so much text on the back, I'd struggle to write over it all

RegDwight ΒВB

Anyway. Sixties or not, I'm not seeing a point in typing "Milk, peas, flour" into a web application so the next time I'm in a store I have no idea what to buy, but Joel does.

Matt Эллен

lol

dupe, it has to be:

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Q: Questionee? Inquiree? Interrogatee?

What's a proper but simple one-word description of a person to whom a question is being asked?

single-word-requests nouns

RegDwight ΒВB

I was thinking about that.

Robusto

@RegDwightΒВB I never understood To Do lists anyway. If I were to have a To Do list, it would have one item: "Make list."

RegDwight ΒВB

14:44

But the only question I remembered was what do you call those who ask and answer.

Matt Эллен

5

Q: What do I call a person who is participating in a survey?

I am writing about a survey I wrote to evaluate the usability of a program. When describing the methodology of the survey, I refer to the person conducting the survey as the investigator. What should I call the other person? The investigator gave the [?] a tour of the functions of the applica...

nomenclature

RegDwight ΒВB

Ah!

@Robusto yeah, that, too, obviously.

Robusto

@MattЭллен Easy. A retiree.

RegDwight ΒВB

@Robusto you already answered that one.

Only one answer per question per person per life.

Robusto

Eh, that was a different me.

RegDwight ΒВB

14:46

Oh sorry.

I should have squinted.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

So on Trello you can't assign a person to a task unless they join, which is annoying, because it'd be nice to have a placeholder for people who are on the project but not using Trello

Matt Эллен

yes it would

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@MattЭллен I also have an MP3 of the B theme, which loops perfectly in Winamp

RegDwight ΒВB

@MrShinyandNew安宇 hey I have an idea. Why don't you use Trello to make a list of people who don't use Trello.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwightΒВB Why don't you make a list of all the reasons why you don't want to use Trello?

Matt Эллен

14:50

on Trello

RegDwight ΒВB

That is so good. I could then twitter all about it.

Matt Эллен

And set your activity as your Facebook status

RegDwight ΒВB

I think I will use Trello to store my Facebook and Twitter passwords.

Matt Эллен

:D

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Actually I like this trello thing. It's like a basic project-management tool, I think it will be good for coordinating my team, since we're all remote

RegDwight ΒВB

14:53

> Once you get into Trello, you’ll use it for everything.

Good luck!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwightΒВB I'm already using it as a front-end to this chat room

RegDwight ΒВB

This chat room doesn't need an end, much less a front.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

(actually if Trello incorporated an SE-style chat system it'd be really awesome)

RegDwight ΒВB

Yeah, and if it baked cookies.

Matt Эллен

what if it ate cookies?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

15:00

nobody ate RegDwight's qookies

Matt Эллен

off topic?

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Q: How to respond to a birthday wish from the CEO?

I was wished by the Company CEO for my birthday via email: "I wanted to drop you a short note to wish you a happy birthday. I hope you enjoy your day." How do I respond? Thank you for the wishes, hope you had a fun/happy 4th of July. Thank you for your wishes, hope you had a fun/happy 4th of J...

word-choice grammar word-usage

Robusto

Yeah, OT. Hey, dude, we're not your email etiquette monkeys.

Matt Эллен

As always, you should respond with your fists

Walk up to him in the canteen and give him a hug and a kiss, loudly proclaiming "Thanks, boss!"

That should prevent him making the same mistake twice

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

15:16

I recommend the housecat approach. Leave dead mice outside his office door. Rub up against his leg. If he pets you, purr loudly, but then bite him and walk off.

Robusto

This is funny: dataString.match(/aSearchTerm=\d+/gim) returns null or an array, but dataString.match(/_aSearchTerm=\d+/gim) only returns null. I wasn't aware an underscore was a problem for a regular expression parser. Hmm ...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto it shouldn't be a problem

Robusto

I know, right?

But even when there are matches, the version with the first character being _ returns null.

bnguyen82

Hi all

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I'm not aware of any RE dialect that uses it as a special char. Although Oracle uses it as something in their LIKE or CONTAINS operators

Robusto

15:20

This is browser scripting. It should just freakin' work, dammit!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto are you sure it is actually matching it properly?

Robusto

The terms contain an underscore prefix. If I search for them with the prefix, I get nothing. If I lose the prefix (and everything else is the same), I get an array when I should.

Try it in your console and see if I'm crazy.

Use this string: "_aSearchTerm=on&aSearchTerm=212607&_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearchTerm‌=on&_aSearchTerm=on&aSearchTerm=213406&_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearchTe‌rm=on&_aSearchTerm=on&aSearchTerm=213401&_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearch‌Term=on&_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearchTerm=on"

Matt Эллен

ok, I'll try again

I get null either way

Robusto

"aSearchTerm=on&aSearchTerm=212607&aSearchTerm=on&aSearchTerm=on&aSearchTerm=on&‌aSearchTerm=on&aSearchTerm=213406&aSearchTerm=on&aSearchTerm=on&aSearchTerm=on&aS‌earchTerm=on&aSearchTerm=213401&aSearchTerm=on&aSearchTerm=on&aSearchTerm=on&aSea‌rchTerm=on&aSearchTerm=on&aSearchTerm=on"

Matt Эллен

oh, ok I've got it

Robusto

15:29

Now try that one.

Matt Эллен

none of your matches for aSearchTerm=\d+ starts with a _

Robusto

I'm talking about with and without. I furnished the "with" above, and the "without" later.

Matt Эллен

Robusto

Yeah. Weird, huh?

Matt Эллен

why would it return an array when there are no matches?

Robusto

15:32

No. The question is, why would it not return an array when there clearly are matches.

The underscore is not necessary for the match, and the match works. But if you include the underscore, it doesn't work.

Matt Эллен

there aren't

Robusto

Use the one with underscores, above.

Matt Эллен

yeah, I am

Robusto

9 mins ago, by Robusto

Use this string: "_aSearchTerm=on&aSearchTerm=212607&_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearchTerm‌=on&_aSearchTerm=on&aSearchTerm=213406&_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearchTe‌rm=on&_aSearchTerm=on&aSearchTerm=213401&_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearch‌Term=on&_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearchTerm=on"

Matt Эллен

there is no chunk of that string that matches _aSearchTerm=\d+

Robusto

15:34

/_aSearchTerm=\d+/gim should return three matches.

Matt Эллен

no it shouldn't

Robusto

Explain.

Matt Эллен

&aSearchTerm=213406&, &aSearchTerm=212607&, &aSearchTerm=213401&

they won't match because they don't start with an underscore

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

var u2="_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearchTerm=212607&_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearchTerm‌=on&_aSearchTerm=on&aSearchTerm=213406&_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearchTe‌rm=on&_aSearchTerm=on&aSearchTerm=213401&_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearch‌Term=on&_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearchTerm=on"
u2.match(/_aSearchTerm=\d+/gim)
_aSearchTerm=212607

Robusto

They do if you use the string I quoted just above your "there is no chunk ..." comment.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

15:36

@Robusto no they don't

only your ...=on ones have the underscore

Robusto

12 mins ago, by Robusto

Use this string: "_aSearchTerm=on&aSearchTerm=212607&_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearchTerm‌=on&_aSearchTerm=on&aSearchTerm=213406&_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearchTe‌rm=on&_aSearchTerm=on&aSearchTerm=213401&_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearch‌Term=on&_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearchTerm=on&_aSearchTerm=on"

There are underscores on all of those.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto read it more carefully

> Use this string: "_aSearchTerm=on&aSearchTerm=212607&

Matt Эллен

nope &aSearchTerm=212607&
nope &aSearchTerm=213406&
nope &aSearchTerm=213401&

Robusto

OHO! I can't see the trees for the forest.

Matt Эллен

:D

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

15:38

been there, done that

Matt Эллен

so many times

Robusto

Goddamn, someone went to the trouble of removing the underscore from the ID of an array of checkboxes if the boxes were checked. Bad, bad code. Not mine.

So when I did $('form').serialize() it returned the differentially present underscore. Right now I want to smack someone, but he's at lunch.

RegDwight ΒВB

Go smack him there. Lunch is all about smacking.

Robusto

Also, I hate people who begin an HTML id attribute with an underscore. I'm using the word hate.

It's right there in the spec, folks. Alpha character only to begin the ID.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto spec? who reads THAT?

Matt Эллен

15:42

oh yeah. web browsers should break on that kinda stuff

Robusto

@RegDwightΒВB I don't know where he went to lunch or I would.

RegDwight ΒВB

What is read?

I thought HTML was write-only.

Matt Эллен

a colour at a different wavelength to blue or green

Robusto

@MattЭллен They should break AND delete your hard drive.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

yeah, it would be nice if there were an acceptable way to make browsers reject bad content. However it has been incredibly useful to allow bad content in order to work around the various things that browsers should accept but don't, etc.

Matt Эллен

15:49

Au revoir

Daniel δ

16:07

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grammar idioms prepositions usage ambiguity clauses meaning

Is he nortonn, by ant chance?

or any chance?

The formatting, type of question, and member-for-today status seem to indicate it.

Matt Эллен

16:55

We've been debating it. his latest report does seem to confirm it

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