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Robusto

01:13

@RegDwigнt There was a time when written words looked like that. Now I can't see them without them making at least some sense.

Same thing with music scores.

In the first Tarzan novel, by Edgar Rice Burroughs, Tarzan was raised by apes after his parents were killed, and he discovered their encampment as a young man, where he found books. At first he thought the characters on the page were insects and tried to eat them. But lo and behold, he taught himself how to read without even knowing anything about human language.

Genius level dude, not just a tree-swinging yodeler.

And a peer of the realm, btw.

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SmokeDetector

04:07

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive body detected, offensive title detected, toxic body detected (160): What this means: Your Bitch Always Blew Me? by Rap Shid on english.SE

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Cerberus

14:19

@Mitch Lovely map!

Captain Bohemian

14:45

you wouldn't feel the merit of a public shower room until you are not properly accommodated.

you wouldn't feel the merit of peers until you are left in an irrelevant environment.

Gigili

15:16

@Mitch Interesting.

I didn't know there were so many Persian dialects (are they languages or dialects?)

1) Well, That's new to me too, the map does not look reliable in that sense.

But it seems to be true about Azeri. That's a widely used language even in Tehran.

lazereyes

Hello, there

Mitch

16:00

@Gigili The legend sort of shows what's really distinct languages (those from very different languages like Arabic and Azeri) and those that are much closer (Luri, Gilaki). My guess is that a different color is mutually unintelligible, so that Gilaki would be considered a dialect, and Luri just a variety. But the definition ofdialect and language and variety is pretty vague.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@lazereyes Hi

@Mitch Got no VPN on my laptop, but if it says something bad about Azeri, it's wrong. If it doesn't, it's definitely right.

@Mitch That'd sorta make sense

Mitch

A big problem with any similar map is what a boundary means. I think we'd have to take these colors to mean "A large majority speaks this as a first language" (also note this is for 1960's). They have striped areas which I presume means some people speak one as a first language and a close amount speak the other as first language.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Mitch My impression is they indeed are the majority in those areas I can't see on the map

Captain Bohemian

mosquitoes itch me again.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@CaptainBohemian Dangit, now I feel like scratching too

Mitch

16:03

@CaptainBohemian Keep your friends close, your enemies closer, and mosquitos you slap them as they land.

Keep your dogs close and your cats closer.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Oh... you can't see anything of the image?

Then it's all good about Azeri.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Mitch I can see window's default image icon and an uglily spaced "user image" text. Does that help?

CowperKettle

@CaptainBohemian Good evening! You should use a repellant!

Mitch

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Is 'user image' in all the languages of Iran in 1960 and shows where they are spoken? Then yes, that would help.

CowperKettle

"Iranians enriching uranium"

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Mitch Only partially, and in nonstandard dialects

Captain Bohemian

16:40

I think learning a new language is not easy because memorizing vocabulary is not easy.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

17:30

@CaptainBohemian If the sole purpose of learning this language is to understand a couple of articles in an arbitrary context, then yes, it's not easy and memorizing random sound combinations that are so alien.

Færd

@Mitch Here's the same map with higher resolution:

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

EVEN that one's censored -____-

Færd

And here's another map from Wikipedia, which for whatever reason matches yours only inaccurately:

I don't have an accurate answer to any of those questions. That said,

@Mitch I'm not surprised at all. The north-western areas border Turkish Kurdistan and the areas to the south roughly correspond to the Iranian provinces of Kurdistan and (northern) Ilam, where I expected Kurdish to be spoken as a primary language. So that's probably about right. (Notice tho that the Kurdish speaking region on the Wiki map is a shrunken version of yours)

@Mitch Totally. To the south, Turkish is spoken (as the predominant language, I would reckon) in the province of Zanjan, and parts of Qazvin, and also possibly northern Hamedan.

@Mitch What I know from Raji is a bunch of famous quatrains by a Hamedani (Baba Tahir) poet from about a millennium ago. It is by no stretch a distinct language from Farsi; it's a dialect of Farsi. Some if its vocab or whatever may trace back to the Median language, but I don't know much about that.

@Mitch I don't know, but that's what you can infer from either map? It's in the middle of three highly populated provinces/areas of Khuzistan, Fars, and Isfahan, so it is kind of surprising.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Færd That looks pretty accurate

Færd

Uh-huh

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

17:42

@Færd Yeah they do do some Turkish in Hamedan

Færd

@Mitch Bring it on.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I thought so

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Torrrrrr

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Færd Wasn't Bahai'i considered to be a sect or whatever it's called, of Shia?

. . . Oh. Guess not.

I dunno why I got that impression.

Færd

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Originally, it was a reinterpretation of Shia. I don't know if it was meant to remain as such.

Whare is Baha'i on that map?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

All I know is they ended up with some twisted effed up philosophies

@Færd The pie charts

But eh, not as weird as that pasta god.

Which I can't still accept as anything more than a rhetoric aimed at theists. Not cool.

CowperKettle

Wow, there's even a Christian enclave with Armenians on the map

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

18:10

@CowperKettle Yeah we're cool like that

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

18:52

Interesting! That means the Foreign Policy article was misquoting! That is, it isn't that the use doesn't make sense, it's that it's cheaper/economically-better to buy it rather than make it - which is not what we construe from the FP quote. Thanks. — einpoklum 5 hours ago

Ugh, this BS again.

CowperKettle

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Isn't there pressure to convert them?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

JCPOA or whatever fancy English name it has didn't make much of a difference either way.

@CowperKettle I don't think we enjoy human slushies

Haha that was gory

I can't speak for them obviously, but my impression is no, there is no such pressure

CowperKettle

Slush (beverage)

A slush, also known as a slushy, slushee, or slushie, is flavored ice. == Variations == There are a number of different kinds of slush drinks: Frozen uncarbonated beverages are made by freezing a non-carbonated juice or other liquid. Machines for producing these do not require a pressure chamber, and as a result, they are much cheaper and easier to maintain. There are variations including frozen carbonated beverages, typified by the Slurpee or ICEE, which are made by freezing a carbonated drink. Machines for producing these are complicated and expensive, and notably require a carbon dioxide supply...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Bahai'i has always had this stigma associated with it, mostly due to it relating more with Shia and claims such as it being the work of Britain to cause divide among Muslims and stuff

But other religions? Nah.

Robusto

So SO has a new blog article:

Predicting StackOverflow Tags Using Google Cloud AI

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

18:58

For some definitions of 'new'

@Robusto I think if you omitted the ?cb=1 part it would have oneboxed

HOLY SHIT

Robusto

I think we don't need Cloud AI to predict EL&U tags.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

That was huger than if I wanted to troll.

Robusto

single-word-request single-word-request single-word-request single-word-request single-word-request single-word-request

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Nonetheless, voila

Robusto

tips hat

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

19:00

@Robusto Are you an expert in single-word-request?

Do the majority of single-word-request experts come to ELU?

Robusto

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Meaning what?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Actually, I think Trump might be a single-word-request expert.

Bigly.

@Robusto That is my point

Robusto

That you don't know what it means?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

May 5 at 13:34, by M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Færd I think this chat has a problem of taking my remarks too seriously.

Robusto

See, you didn't prep the room.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

19:04

Oh God. Should I get myself to make some . . . Shivers . . . Mitch puns?

Robusto

No need to go that far.

A little badinage, a wink here, a nod there ...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

That's an odd ritual

Robusto

Odder than a Mitch pun? I think not.

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SmokeDetector

20:08

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted username (92): Single word request - Lack of understanding another person's lack of understanding by ImNotAdolfHitler on english.SE

Mitch

20:37

@Færd Nice. Thanks for all your info and maps.

How strange is Kurdish to you? Can you pick out some words? Does it feel/sound closer to Persian than say Arabic or Azeri? (as opposed to say Dari which I'm told is basically Persian with a rural accent)

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ So that map you can see? as in not blocked by the Great Wall of Internet Mullahs?

@Færd It's mentioned in the split by religion in the pie charts on the left. It's not in the map (unlike Sunni and Shia and Christianity)

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ gives an odd stare

That's it. That's how you know

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Hey. I can read that you know.

Rather odder spun puns than otter rudder snap pans.

Robusto

21:05

It's raining here, chilly, no sun, not a typical May day in the high desert.

Just a good time to put on the headphones, lie back, and let the music be the only thing you see.

Færd

21:35

@Mitch I think it does sound more familiar to me than both Turkish and Arabic. Lots of vocab overlap. It sounds basically like Farsi with a very very thick accent that prevents you understanding the message most of the time.

Færd

21:52

I tried it on YouTube. It depends which Kurdish dialect I'm listening to.

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Captain Bohemian

23:59

hunger is such a frequent trouble. I ate at 10 pm, went to bed at 12 am, waked at 4 am, but I have felt hungry again now before 8 am.

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