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@Mitch I had no idea what "level up" meant; I had to look it up. I thought it was like "come clean" in an old gangster movie, really.
 
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@RegDwigнt I'll watch it.
I always felt that way, until I learned a bit of Portuguese.
02:34
@RegDwigнt Portuguese never sounded like Russian to me. YMMV.
Well, I take it back:
Sep 23 '15 at 1:00, by Robusto
Her Portuguese sounds like someone mixed a Frenchman and a Spaniard and a Russian in a blender.
I suspect the /ʃ/ sound may have something to do with it.
And the L sound.
What was that online game where you listened to a foreign speaker and tried to determine the language they were speaking?
@Robusto the great language game. Unfortunately some time this past year it was taken off-line. But the guy who wrote it made the code available.
02:50
@RegDwigнt I've watched the video, and it sounds like a good summary.
@Mitch What, he expects me to work at this?
@Robusto European Portuguese very much does so; Brazilian Portuguese does NOT do so. It's not just the palatalizations and more complex vocalic system, but also intonation patterns and what happens to unstressed syllables (which in EP is more like in FR or even EN; BP works like ES in this regard and has fewer vocalic phonemes and general lack of mandatory palatalization and regressive assimilation into approximants).
EP changes intervocalic voiced stops to the corresponding fricative or even approximant, exactly as ES does. BP does not.
I thought te was palatalised more in Brazil than in Portugal?
Etc.
It is. That's BP. EP palatalizes /s/ and /z/ in all codas, obligatorily. And which one depends on regressive assimilation from the next sound following.
Forgive me
Both fukxin ISPs are down right now.
My Brazilian friend pronounces tilde like /tiltʃe/.
Or similar.
It took me ages to understand what he meant.
Or even /tiltʃi/.
03:00
You probably misheard the MEASURE consonant for the DASHER one. And yes, reduction would be to /i/ for them there.
For EP you'd've found yourself lucky just to hear /til/ because the e goes mute per French and the d is an approximant that you would never hear unless you were specifically told to expect it and to listen hard for it. You might even hear just /tiu/.
Sorry. Too hard w/o internet.
Right, quite possibly.
Even so, Brazilians do palatalise quite a bit.
And change their e's.
Yes but under completely different circumstances.
You neither start nor finish with the same.
I think they can both pronounce te that way.
I have yet to hear proof of that
Didn't we once have this nice map with pronunciations from all different regions in it?
An example.
Notice how the Iberian pronounces it the same way as all but one of the Brazilians do.
Same = similar.
03:10
I've listened to hundreds if not thousands of speakers from Lisbon and quite a few dozens or scores from Porto in the north. It us possible this began in the far-south Algarve where I've been only once.
I'm not where I can listen to things. Sorry.
I've heard /tʃi/ from both a lot.
Witness the link above.
But you could pretty, pretty please post that question to our Poruguese Language site. It's fine to post in English, and we have several dialectologists from both sides of the Atlantic who easily know 6 to 8 dialects just from their side alone.
I don't have a question, do I?
But don't you remember the map we had? It was great.
Wasn't it you who posted it here?
@tchrist Wow, what a difference between that and ELU, where we're almost begging people not to post questions.
Yeah.
03:17
Yes you do. Does the common /te/ and /de/ palatalization in Brazilian words like a frente (the forehead) or a libertade (the liberty) ever also happen anywhere in Portugal, and if so where or under what register, etc.
Be warned: it is not QUITE ubiquitous in Brazil, just so common you notice when it does not happen, usually far from the big cities in older folk in the mountains.
I theorize that if it happens at all in Portugal, the inverse frequency pattern may apply. Like certain areas, sociolects, registers.
@tchrist My remark was to the contrary.
31 mins ago, by tchrist
EP changes intervocalic voiced stops to the corresponding fricative or even approximant, exactly as ES does. BP does not.
Unfortunately the deep, detailed, and historical phonologic knowledge of Romance over the past 1200 years across Iberia exists at the graduate-studies level for Castilian only, not for Catalan or Galego-Portuguese where I have only incomplete surface knowledge not grad-studies expertise.
And you seem to be saying something quite different now than you said then?
Am not
There is a question about that on the PT site even.
Search for lenition there
Wish my internet were back.
Maybe they nuked Denver like in Clancy's The Sum of All Fears.
For two completely different ISPs to report an outage in Boulder smells fishy.
I'm very sleepy.
And sadly somewhat removed from sobriety.
What happened to your Intertubes?
03:31
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Q: Did Portuguese gain or lose fricative allophones of /b, d, g/?

tchristLenition of Voiced Stops In Iberia, the three voiced stops /b/, /d/, and /g/ undergo lenition when they appear between vowels, producing fricative allophones: [b] → [β] for example, alfabeto, sílaba, receber [d] → [ð] for example: academia, cada, estados [g] → [ɣ] for example: vogais, artigo...

It "only" happens in Portugal. Not Brazil.
But it also happens in Catalan. And in Spanish NO MATTER WHERE SPOKEN. It's obligatory or you sound like an idiot.
@Robusto has learned this.
@Cerberus dafukc I know. Both dead. All over town.
How terrible!
Can't you tether your computer to your phone?
@Cerberus So am I, but not the way you think. Just trying to hold it together for the upcoming funeral that I am supposed to be doing a photo collage for as we speak. Anti-anxiolytics up the wazoo so I can talk without uncontrolled weeping and without too much of the uncharacteristic stammer this experience has again afflicted me with. And dreams I pray never trouble you.
I also have to write a small eulogy if for print if not speech.
Talking is not something I can hold it together for. Just typing.
No can't tether because the God bedamned Sprint arseholes demand +$100 mensually for that capability. I hate everyone.
Oh and my downstairs roommate had a brain-bleed seizure and affiliated neural damage Saturday right after she passed, so I had double next-of-kin notifications to make that day and this.
Only a whole whole whole lot of Rx meds let me be other than a screaming gibbering idiot rending my garments and tresses.
Not presentable.
03:52
I'm very sorry to hear all that.
Try to hold on.
@Cerberus Take your time with life. Time will inexorably tear everything apart before you go. Be in no hurry to get there, for it will come to you of its own accord and plan.
Nothing can probably dull your grief but time.
Know that time will eventually make the pain bearable, even though it may not seem that way now.
I carry these all within me. They no longer all disable me like this new one, but grief doesn't heal. Ever.
Not healed but blunted.
Just know that you will not always feel the way you feel now.
You just eventually come to be able to function. Or not. Grief can kill you, you know. This one won't. The next one though is almost sure to.
I know those things.
03:57
OK.
I've been here before.
And then there was one.
Three things a man needs to live: something to do, someone to love, and something to hope for.
Strike off the last of those and he can still live. For a while.
But strike off the latter of the remaining two, and now the first alone is seldom enough to keep him tethered to this life. Then he shall die.
But new things to love and hope for may come.
Don't worry. I'm still at stage two. But only very tenuously and very temporally.
I won't ask who "she" was but I have an idea.
It was not my mother. Just the next thing to it
I need to call Mom again now. Keeps me going.
Night. Perchance to dream.
04:07
Ok.
Take care.
By the way, I've seen a relative who had been all but given up on recover from brain bleed to a remarkable degree.
From being unable to move, speak, eat, or basically do anything, to eventually reapplying for a driver's licence.
 
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@tchrist If I join another S.E. website to post an answer, am I going to have to face the two link restriction again?
Oh, wait, you're sleeping. Sorry.
 
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Url in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, +5 more (789): wellnesstrials.org/vital-keto-france/ by fdstillioark on english.SE
07:41
@Tonepoet Don't you get 100 points bonus when you join? Is that enough to post more than two links?
07:58
@WillHunting The problem is that the association bonus counts towards some things but not others. It won't allow you to comment, for instance.
@Tonepoet News to me.
@WillHunting Maybe I'm mistaken, or maybe it changed.
 
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I was watching a youtube video and someone mentioned something that sounds like bead or bean that refers to some illegal drug. Any idea what it could be?
11:03
@Robusto well that's what I said in my comment on that video. Stop copying my style.
 
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Hello.

What's the difference between phonetic and phonic and which is correct in this school report?

"she can use this phonic knowledge to sound out words"

Thanks
13:11
@Tonepoet How do you feel about spaces between initials, like S. E.?
13:24
@Jdoh "phonic" means related to sound. Any sound.
"Phonetic" means related to either a) specifically the sound of language, or b) phones as in speech segments.
I do not know what kind of knowledge the person in question possesses.
Dec 18 '12 at 11:51, by Robusto
I was sleeping two hours ago. You think I read your shit in my sleep? Think again, jinx boy.
@Robusto well you don't Tara Reid my shit not in your sleep, litotes boy. So really that was my only chance.
And I'm not fixing the reed typo.
I think I've watched one video too many on bassoons.
Lies.
@Cerberus Spaces should probably be reserved to separate two different abbreviations in most cases.
Nobody can see enough videos on bassoons.
13:31
@Robusto okay you're right I'm fixing it.
Feb 3 '11 at 20:07, by Robusto
See, that's why we go over this stuff.
@Robusto just because nobody can, doesn't mean you shouldn't try.
Also, technically I didn't say "enough", I said "one too many". That is a very technical technical difference. Get an expert to help.
4-5 hours of bassoon videos a day is a normal Recommended Dietary Allowance.
Yeah. And the remaining 19-20 hours you spend making reeds.
Exactly.
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with a link in answer (78): Is there a word for "a person from another race"? by ameetkumar on english.SE
Let's not leave out all the "crowing" you need to do while making said reeds.
@Cerberus To clarify, E.L.U. S.E., not E. L. U. S. E. And yes, I know you folk like your ampersand but we don't include conjunctions in abbreviations so that doesn't belong either.
Meh, fuckin' smoke detector tweened me.
That is literally his only job.
Off to get coffeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ...
13:36
@SmokeDetector you should be posting this @Cerberus. Another old question with lots of answers, one of them accepted and heavily upvoted. And then this 1-rep spammer comes along.
And another tiny bit of my life was wasted on protecting a question any robot could have long protected by now.
Instead that robot went and tweened Rob. What a disgrace.
@Jdoh 'Phonics' is how to sound out words from spelling, e,g, silent 'e', 'ph' is really 'f', 'bow' has two pronunciations one like 'how' and one like 'tow'.
'Phonetics' is the science of pronunciation of language sounds, from parts of the mouth/vocal tract to analysis of aural vibrations (No spelling involved at all).
"she can use this phonic knowledge to sound out words"
->
"she can use this knowledge of Phonics to sound out words"
because 'Phonics' is usually how one uses that word, as a label for the method of teaching reading of English which attempts to make letters and sounds correspond as much as is possible, even though English is notoriously inconsistent.
Phonics is a method for teaching reading and writing of the English language by developing learners' phonemic awareness—the ability to hear, identify, and manipulate phonemes—in order to teach the correspondence between these sounds and the spelling patterns (graphemes) that represent them. The goal of phonics is to enable beginning readers to decode new written words by sounding them out, or, in phonics terms, blending the sound-spelling patterns. Since it focuses on the spoken and written units within words, phonics is a sublexical approach and, as a result, is often contrasted with whole language...
Sounds phony to me.
Phonetics (pronounced ) is a branch of linguistics that studies the sounds of human speech, or—in the case of sign languages—the equivalent aspects of sign. It is concerned with the physical properties of speech sounds or signs (phones): their physiological production, acoustic properties, auditory perception, and neurophysiological status. Phonology, on the other hand, is concerned with the abstract, grammatical characterization of systems of sounds or signs. In the case of oral languages, phonetics has three basic areas of study: Articulatory phonetics: the study of the organs of speech and...
@Cerberus However, in my facsimile hardcopy of An American Dictionary of the English Language, there do seem to be spaces in U. S. A. beneath the abbreviation entry, so you may have just made a situation most people seem to contest even more contested, because I am prone to change my mind based on prior usage. XP
@Jdoh I realize this is a lot of information just to judge one small sentence. But some things are complicated.
13:45
Well if you gotta have periods, you gotta have spaces as well.
Also more cowbell.
spaces are a waste of space
@Mitch How paradoxical.
@Mitch it's not really a lot of information at all. The question is really what is the previous sentence talking about phonics or phonetics. The answer is contained in J doh's very text.
@Mitch one of them spaces is the final frontier, but I can't tell which.
@RegDwigнt It's not the first one.
Thank you. That's a relief.
Actually no, this is:
Sorry, my bad.
13:58
Bah! ... relief ...
@Jdoh I can't answer your question because there's not enough context. The rest of the paragraph, who and what you're writing the school report for, etc. But hopefully the wikipedia links will give you enough info to decide for yourself.
14:13
@RegDwigнt You spelled it wrong. Here comes American TV to correct you:
You should've watched that commercial before you were born.
14:35
@escalib23178397 @fietsprofessor In the Netherlands only tourists wear helmets :)
^^ @Cerberus
@fietsprofessor While wearing heel!!! HEELS!!! The woman is a Legend!
14:56
Thanks @RegDwigнt

Knowledge of segmenting and blending. Segmenting being identifying the phonemes when spelling and blending being putting them back together in reading. She knows approx. half of the "She" is 5 years old.


Phonics, it is!

Thanks
@Robusto they literally put the AIDS in "relief".
That's American orthography for you.
 
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@RegDwigнt I like Tara Reid. =)
@Tonepoet That book is history, no need to follow it. =)
@WillHunting I agree with the fact, but not with the determination that follows. The language is nothing without its prior usage, so that is every reason to follow it. XP
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0
A: The difference between the gerund and the participls

tchristNouns can­not have di­rect ob­jects; on­ly verbs can. Buy­ing is a non-fi­nite tran­si­tive verb whose di­rect ob­ject is the noun phrase (NP), or­gan­ic food, which it­self com­pris­es an at­trib­u­tive ad­jec­tive fol­lowed by its noun. The sub­ject of your sen­tence is third-per­son per­son...

17:29
@Tchrist Hey, you wouldn't happen to know where we got the ampersand in our logo, would you? I never saw one like it before. It is not shown on Wikipedia's webpage which includes a decent variety and I saw another website using one that was suspiciously similar.
I do. But I'm busy writing a formal obituary right now and cannot talk.
17:43
@Mitch Quite true.
@RegDwigнt All right, all right.
@Tonepoet Yes, I believe spaces are the most traditional choice.
 
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@JasperLoy There should be a history of history. Like I mean how history has changed over time. Historically.
Like how out of date Thucydides's history of the Peloponnesian Wars has been superseded at least a few times, maybe even several.
That might already be a thing...
Historiography is the study of the methods of historians in developing history as an academic discipline, and by extension is any body of historical work on a particular subject. The historiography of a specific topic covers how historians have studied that topic using particular sources, techniques, and theoretical approaches. Scholars discuss historiography by topic – such as the "historiography of the United Kingdom", the "historiography of Canada", "historiography of the British Empire", the "historiography of early Islam", the "historiography of China" – and different approaches and genres...
maybe one part of historiography is history of history.
linguists should have prescriptive accounts of descriptivism.
never say never
hm. I only just got that.
5 year olds say that, waving their freak flag high, what if 6 turned out to be 9, then the five year olds could skip the terrible 6's, 7's and 8's
19:53
@Mitch Yes, of course.
@Mitch Sometimes it seems that's all they have...
@Mitch I'm more into graphography, personally.
 
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@RegDwigнt TMI dude
I'm a luddite, I write in longhand with an old fountain pen.
@Mitch nah, that was very little information actually.
For TMI on the subject, see e.g. bloomberg.com on Graphography.
@Mitch Fly on, Little Wing.
All those graphologies should be written with graphite. It would fitting and just.
Certainly you mean it would be very graphitting.
A common typo.
In other news, today I bumped into some Chopin that wasn't terrible at all.
But seeing how recommendations are the same for everyone now, you will have seen it.
21:24
@RegDwigнt Graphitting for a Gräfin, possibly.
Fact: Grafin is Russian for carafe, decanter.
@RegDwigнt When a horse speeds up from a trot, it's called a canter. When it reverts to a trot, it's called a decanter.
But how do you explain la cantatrice chauve, then?
Some things are best left as mysteries.
La Cantatrice Chauve — translated from French as The Bald Soprano or The Bald Prima Donna — is the first play written by Romanian-French playwright Eugène Ionesco. Nicolas Bataille directed the premiere on 11 May 1950 at the Théâtre des Noctambules, Paris. Since 1957 it has been in permanent showing at the Théâtre de la Huchette, which received a Molière d'honneur for its performances. It holds the world record for the play that has been staged continuously in the same theatre for the longest time. Although it went unnoticed at first, the play was eventually championed by a few established writers...
@Robusto that's what everyone says about Ionesco, but I think that's because everyone is slackers.
21:27
Your point being?
Am I being accused of having a point? Again?
What is this madness.
Madness you can point to.
I once had a point but then I discovered slacking. We went over these things. As we always do.
@Robusto yeah their house is right in the middle of the street.
So I watched that Bruce composer guy's latest video just a couple hours ago on why nobody writes melodies anymore, and now I'm listening to this Chopin and am really quite amazed just how long his melody is.
It is over 9000 long.
Gotta run an errand. Back later.
22:25
Copper.
@RegDwigнt If Chopin weren't so obviously Romantic, you'd have to say he was Baroque. All his little curlicues and flounces and frosting and whatnots—he abhorred a straight line.
22:37
@RegDwigнt One of my favorite plays, but I've only read it. I am amazed to find out about the permanent showing.
23:10
@Robusto that, and his first concerto is full of Baroque orchestration. Terrace dynamics. Everything. Especially when you have a smaller orchestra to work with.
He begins very classical but the closer he gets to the Rondo, the more baroque bits you get to hear.
Like, listen to the 34:46 mark. WTF is this Händel.
Now, of course the curlicues and frosting on his melodies, these he stole from bel canto, that we know.
@MetaEd we read it in school. In French. I can't remember a word frankly. I think we did laugh in a couple places. More than that I really can't tell. Still got the book sitting here, but I'm pretending to be reading way too many new ones to revisit old stuff.
23:55
@Gigili pfft. Grow your peacock from egg, pluck a tail quill. Then talk to me.

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