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Q: What is a word for ‘not imposing undue pressure or force to act in a specific way’

FransWhat is a word for ‘not imposing undue pressure or force to act in a specific way’? A word to be used to assure a junior employee that his inability or unwillingness to act in a particular way will not have negative consequences or affect his relationship with the senior.

 
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04:21
@Mitch Do you say your cran- morpheme of cranberry the same way you say crayon?
I think the zillions of pronunciations under /æ/ raising are what can sometimes give rise to the yeah/neah thing, however you care to spell that.
For some people, man and crayon rhyme.
Meaning the version of crayon with two syllables, perhaps [ˈkɻæ̃.ən] if you like.
You can pivot on a /j/ there, too: [ˈkɻæ̃jən]. It just drags out without a clear break though.
The OED gives /ˈkreɪɒn/, /ˈkreɪən/, U.S. /ˈkreɪˌɑn/ if it matters.
Wikipedia has Eastern New England with [æ~eə], upper midwest and northwest and Canada with [æ~ɛə], and the South with [ɛ(j)ə~eə]. And that’s just what happens before a nasal.
> For speakers in much of Canada and in the North-Central and Northwestern United States, a following /ɡ/ (as in magazine, rag, bags, etc.) or /ŋ/ (as in bang, pang, gangster, angler, etc.) tenses an /æ/ as much as or more than a following nasal does.[8] In Wisconsin, Minnesota, and central Canada, a merger of /æ/ with /eɪ/ before /ɡ/, making bag, for example, rhyme with vague, has been reported.[9]
I’m sure we tense bang into /beŋ/.
It’s super close to bane in fact, just a slightly different terminal nasal.
The bane of your existence. The bang of your existence.
So some people say hand like ['hejən(d)].
I’m sure you’ve heard that.
> "Hay and what?"
> The realization of this "tense" (as opposed to "lax") /æ/ varies from [æ̝ˑ] to [ɛə] to [eə] to [ɪə], and is greatly dependent on the speaker's particular dialect.
[hɛ̝ĕən], [hɛ̝ɪ̆ənd], [hɛ̝ˑən] — and oh so many more.
Calf is another good one to look at: soundcomparisons.com/#/en/Englishes/word/calf
Or lamb.
Bath: [bæ̝əθ], [bɛĕəθ], [bæˑəθ], [be̞ˑəθ]. ...
Makes you appreciate why we (usually) use phonemics not phonetics, eh? :)
Anybody can figure out /bæθ/ but the narrow transcriptions are so finicky.
If you think that's wild, try all the ways part works out to being said in Romance: soundcomparisons.com/#/en/Romance/word/part
05:24
@Mitch subsides into violent mirth
But that debunks my GT-Farsi-level-evaluation theory.
@RegDwigнt Eager to watch it!
All rights reserved.
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Q: Happy word for frowning

CalazansIs there a word to say when someone "frowns" eagerly/anxiously? Example: You just wrote a song and sang it for the first time for your best friend. By the end of the song you look at your friend, unconfident and with your forehead wrinkled and eyebrows on a /\ shape, anxious to hear his opinion a...

@Cerberus this one
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Q: Is there a word for someone who has been in power for an unusually long period of time?

user1271772Whether democratically elected or not, some people are in power for unusually long. What word distinguishes for example, a democratically elected official who has been in power for 40 years versus one that's been in power for 2 years? You might think such a word is inappropriate because there's...

 
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Q: Is there a specific english word for a woman that has not given birth yet?

GerganaIs there a specific English word for a woman that has not given birth yet? I don't mean a sterile woman. I mean a young woman, who is not pregnant, who hasn't got children, who hasn't given birth.

09:17
@Mitch WTF, why does Google Translate give a different translation for that every time you press reload?
What is this sorcery?
Have I found a glitch in the Matrix?
@Færd fix the Matrix, please. This is worrying. Kthxbai.
 
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12:05
@CupFever Ohh I remember now!
Voted to reopen.
12:18
@tchrist cran- = /kræn/ same vowel as 'cat'
Most of the answers there I feel like are doing... spelling pronunciations, like they're trying to pronounce it like it is spelled? eg yeah -> ye-ah, two syllables.
12:30
@Cerberus thanks pal :-)
12:44
@Mitch Are you thinking that the yah spelling represents /jɑ/? In theory, we shouldn’t be able to have a "checked" vowel at the end of a word by itself without some sort of glide or centering diphthong to "tie it off". That's why things like /jɛ/ or /jʌ/ by itself "doesn't exist" in English.
yeah rhymes with meh rhymes with feh
Nyet!
@tchrist yeah. 'yah' = /jɑ/ is what you say to horses, among other things.
@tchrist as with everything always append 'for me'
I don't have a diphthong (or can't perceive it) in 'yeah'
the thong song?
:)
@tchrist That shows well the bath-trap split, where /æ/ before a nasal goes to /a/
12:57
@Mitch Perhaps you couldn’t perceive it in the tautosyllabic triphthong [jæə̯].
@tchrist so many diphthongs! but that is in very regional out of standard accents. I'e only heard it in the wild in N/S Carolina 'backwoods' (so to speak), They'll triphthongize 'pen' to /pi:jen/. I haven't heard all these diphthongs in all these other American places
@tchrist Is that the Mordecai and Rigby version 'yay-yuh'?
@Mitch To a northerner, that always sounds like two different syllables not a triphthong.
To be in one syllable, the glides have to be on the outside; putting one on the inside of a sequence of three is how we get to separate syllables where I come from.
Then so wouldn't all those two vowels next to each other in your American map of 'hand'?
@Mitch Certainly [bɛĕəθ] and [bæˑəθ] are suspicious in that regard.
[hɛ̝ĕən], [hɛ̝ɪ̆ənd], [hɛ̝ˑən]
Surely the middle one of those three hands must have two syllables.
This is why northerners joke that there are no one-syllable words in southern.
You want a word with a funny vowel, try quite.
[kʰʷʌɪ̯ʔ]
While bite and write rhyme, as do quite and white, but I’m not sure those all four rhyme with each other.
It’s probably close enough though.
Unvoiced vowels confuse me: height.
quite white height
Are different from night might bite.
Somehow.
The first trio are puffier.
13:48
@tchrist Unvoiced? all vowels in English are voiced. Unless you're whispering. unvoiced vowels are rare in the world. maybe Turkish? Yanamamo?
@tchrist whatever is different, the last vowel and consonant are the same for me.
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A: Why is /h/ called voiceless vowel phonetically, and /h/ consonant phonologically?

jlawlerA good question, and a very basic one that illustrates an important difference between Phonetics and Phonology (or, as it used to be called, Phonemics): They use different criteria for what's a vowel and what's a consonant. First, an important caveat: This is only true of English; i.e, it's ...

All this is to say that I don't like any of the answers on the 'yeah' question, I disagree with what some say, but I don't know enough of what's going on to answer myself with an answer that I would find acceptable.
I hate it when other people are wrong!
@Mitch Better thee than me.
@tchrist I'm happy calling /h/ the unvoiced glottal fricative (a consonant) and leaving it at that.
@tchrist I don't think other people like it when they're wrong either, but I wish they'd do something about it.
Anyway, yes, it's sort of an ASD thing to be upset when things are wrong, but everybody is annoyed by other people being wrong, some just manage their reaction better, or have varying levels of diplomacy about it.
@Mitch Quite.
@Mitch By DJT? :)
@tchrist I've found that older academics tend to do pretty good at it despite them all being a bit ASD (that's how they got there, right?).
@tchrist Ew
@Mitch [iːjuˑwə] is sure complicated, eh?
And thus well befitting the situation.
Anonymous
14:34
@Mitch Some devoicing of high vowels isn't that rare. People often devoice the middle vowel in English multiple, for example.
@snailboat Because they stop their vocal cords for the /t/ before it?
Oh, and because they also have to do so for the /p/ following.
And since it’s a short, reduced vowel between unvoiced stops, it’s too tough to get all that buzzing fired up again then quickly offed in time for the next unvoiced bit.
Is this why vowels between voiced consonants seem to last longer than those between unvoiced ones?
Compare kick and did.
Let alone cut and dried.
pit vs bid
@tchrist haha hi I say it /yw/, which is maybe not a terrible way to teach Americans how to say the French /y/
I begin to fear than in connected speech I may only be guaranteed to release final coronal consonants when the next word starts with a vowel.
@Mitch I was taught to pronounce /y/ by rounding my lips for a "w" but saying "ee" through that mouth-hole.
@snailboat I don't notice any devoicing of the vowel. How is it devoiced?
@tchrist I don't even then. If I do it sounds like trying to be British
The mistakes an L2 speaker of French makes in pronouncing something like French tu /ty/ can show how they were taught. L1 speakers of English tend to make it a /tu/ but L1 speakers of Spanish tend to make it a /ti/.
14:47
@tchrist well it is a high front vowel, with the weird-for-Americans rounding
@Mitch Yah I dint thing so.
@Mitch It's whispered?
> ”Someday my prints will come.”
E-NO-T
capital
Seems the same scenario should apply to capital as applies to multiple.
I don't have an oscilloscope (or Praat?) to tell if it's voiced or not
My oscilloscope is at the shop
And yes, capital and capitol for me are homophones.
Speaking of which, aren't all capacitors dealing with flux? So are't they all nominally flux capacitors?
Ditto capitel, an architectural term.
@Mitch Been reading Jack Chalker again, I see.
14:53
And Capitulle
a word I just made up
@tchrist I haven't read a single thing in forever
@Mitch Stop hardly unhelping!
Spirits of Flux and Anchor
A fine liqueur
made by squeezing Artesians
with a cold compress
In theory, the vowel in German die Tür should be longer than the one in French tu.
physician recommended treatment for the flue
@tchrist they're mostly non-rhotic which ends up with this weird long /tyə/
@Mitch But I think it's long even for those native speakers who are rhotic. @RegDwigнt Are you a Teutonophonically rhotic speaker?
14:58
the 'r' is there but only if there's something following: 'die Türe' /tyrə/ (for whatever weird 'r' when the do pronounce it out loud
Noun: Tür f (genitive Tür, plural Türen, diminutive Türchen n or Türlein n)
  1. door
gives /tyːr/, /tyːɐ̯/
With a long mark on both virgins.
@tchrist or pfft I can't remember all the case endings!
@Mitch CAPITEL!
The case on Ionic capitels differs from that of Doric capitels differs from that of Corinthian capitels.
@tchrist sure, /ɐ̯/. they beat that difference into you between masculine '-er' and feminine '-e' endings and they still sound identical
@tchrist another difference that I thought I had figured out how to name properly but can never remember right. Corinthian is the curlicue one... Ionic looks like (the top of) an 'I' and Doric is ... boring?
15:02
What about Aeolian columns? Mixolydian? The Boeotians could barely make a lean-to.
@tchrist Hah! I randomly got it right for once!
@Mitch Wasn’t JC some sort of Boeotian maiden princess?
Which makes me wonder about violin makers. They spend weeks sculpting the tuning peg curly par when they should forget about it and worry about the body.
@tchrist Jesus Christ
I mean 'Jesus Christ?'
Oh Julius Caesar?
Caesar
Was that where he... no it was Bythinian
or Bithynian
Yeah, right.
15:06
that'd probably upset both Bithynians and Bythinians
I always get my Bythinians and my Boeothians confuseds.
You now how they are
> . In 80 BC, young Gaius Julius Caesar was an ambassador to Nicomedes IV's court. Caesar was sent to raise a fleet using Bithynia's resources, but he dallied so long with the King that a rumor of a sexual relationship between the two men surfaced, leading to the disparaging title for Caesar, "the Queen of Bithynia", an allegation which Caesar's political enemies made use of later in his life.
haha people making fun of Caesar
@Mitch If only that were the secret tape!
15:08
Wait... that's not his real family name is it?
JC was only 20 when he went to Nicky's court.
@Mitch Whose?
gens Julii?
15:47
@tchrist Right. The wiki says Caesar is the family name but then 'gens Julii' as though the family lineage is 'Julius'. So I'm confused.
His friends called him Chad
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Q: What do you call a mother whose children have died?

Michael BrownFor instance, a child whose parents have died is an orphan; while a woman whose husband has died is a widow...

 
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17:58
@Robusto Look, this is why one might need both the web console and the browser console:
See the errors that are only presented in the browser console, in the lower right quadrant?
The control-K console, in the lower left quadrant, won't show those errors.
It's really annoying.
@RegDwigнt By the way, the above is from the latest Firefox. You see the title bar, the menu bar, the bar tab, the addresss bar, and even the bookmarks bar (which I do not use).
I believe it is the standard set-up.
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, mostly dots in answer: Is there a specific english word for a woman that has not given birth yet? by b. maisie on english.SE
 
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@tchrist English or German? In English I can do, and do do, either at will. The intrusive R as well when I feel like it. And not when I don't.
In German I speak High German but I can code-switch to the local dialect, or I dunno Bavarian or Saxonian, but I suck at those for I have no practice.
In Russian I just do this:
@Robusto @Cerberus @terdon ^
@Cerberus You need to learn to use the other console tabs, like Network for XHR etc. Also how to set breakpoints in code and inspect the returns, etc.
@RegDwigнt I don't have that kind of time, sorry.
Actually, IIRC Russian does use verbs, just not copulas.
Sorry, @Cerb, I meant copulae.
20:17
@Robusto I was actually thinking of you when I made this.
Because recently you complained how a video that taught something in 5 minutes was 6 minutes long.
@Robusto I use other tabs when necessary, but it's nice to have all error messages in one and the same tab.
As it is the case in older Firefox.
Now you need to switch between tabs all the time, which was not needed before.
@RegDwigнt This does explain much of the Internet and Youtube comments.
Could someone please tell us what means take the infinitive? We've already looked up 3 dictionaries with our teacher and we didn't find it!
It means, "must be followed by an infinitive".
> I must go: go is an infinitive, and must takes an infinitive.
Anonymous
@Mitch It's usually at least partially devoiced (greater than otherwise expected VOT) but often completely devoiced. By the way, one surprising fact about phonetics is that it's really hard to make accurate judgments about how things are pronounced based on how you think you pronounce them. It's usually much better to take some data (e.g. sign up for a free LDC account and grab some recordings from Switchboard) and see what you find (Praat is a free download as well).
As opposed to a gerund (going).
Anonymous
20:29
People aren't necessarily wrong about their intuitive judgments, but those judgments tend to be surprisingly bad evidence on their own.
@Cerberus but it's an expression. Does it means exactly that?
Oh. My teacher has just found that it means take the initiative. She just have asked it to a friend.
Is it right?
scratches head
What.
No. "Infinitive" never means "initiative". Ever.
20:46
So, what it means??
Anonymous
@EnderLook What was the context you found it in? Was it part of a sentence?
hi
I was wondering if anyone knew where I would go to have a short essay reviewed. I wrote one to apply for a scholarship. Is there any sort of business that edits this stuff?
@snailboat Which group in exercise 1 do the following expressions belong to?: Take the infinitive, take pride in, etc
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Q: Where can I ask for free proofreading?

sarahI know that proofreading is prohibited in this site. However, I'd like to ask if there are free online websites to do that. I remember once there was a website where I can help people in Spanish/Portuguese and they help me in English. I attempted searching on Google, but I didn't find anything....

No i mean is there a type of business that does this. I'd like to meet someone face to face. I don't need proofreading though. I just want editing.
20:58
@EnderLook Okay, infinitive is a completely different word.
To take the initiative = to take action, to be the first to do something.
by the way do you guys mind if I ask a quick question about commas and phrases like "on the other hand"?
@anang I'm sure you will find many people who do this for a living if you search for copy editing.
Yeah there's definitely a ton of professional editors in any city.
If you have an English question, you can just ask. Someone may or may not answer, depending on the question and the person('s spare time)!
@Cerberus thanks! Which is correct? "On the other hand _________" or "On the other hand, __________"
21:01
It's hard to say without context, but I would generally use a comma.
@EnderLook listen to Cerberus. His explanation is correct. Both for "take the infinitive" and for "take the initiative".
Merci.
I don't speak la grenouille.
So no idea what you just said.
I understand. Far be it from me to accuse you of praeterition.
So, take the infinitive just means must be followed by an infinitive?
21:09
Yes.
Oh, thanks!
@EnderLook You're not really making sense.
Is it inifinitive or initiative? From what you said earlier, it's probably initiative.
@Cerberus thanks! I found a pro editor! she said she'd get my job done in 1-2 hours. 75$ per hour. Not sure if those are good rates or not but its something!
Great!
That sounds decent enough, it's fairly specialised work and one cannot do it 24/7.
Be glad you didn't need a lawyer.
@Cerberus It's is infinitive, but my teacher's friend said it was a synonym of initiative in that phrase.
21:18
Nooo.
Those words are completely different, not close at all.
Why would someone need a lawyer?
@anang I don't know, but it would cost you a lot more!
@anang Maybe your work is "delicate"?
@Cerberus So? I am getting lost.
Anonymous
@EnderLook You haven't really given us any context, but assuming it's from a textbook, it's possible they just wrote one word down while they were thinking of another. It happens.
@EnderLook Then maybe read back the entire conversation. I don't know how to say it in a different way.
21:20
@EnderLook Well the prompt said "don't use a professional editor for help" so umm... maybe its delicate?
21:34
@snailboat You have right, it may be a typo error, we've already found one.
@Cerberus Oh, I'm sorry, I wasn't my intention to offend you.
Don't worry.
Why is any of this still happening. :-D
Also hey @snailboat. She's alive!
And with a different avatar. Yay.
Yes, hello!
But, different? I didn't notice.
The general colours are similar.
Anonymous
21:57
Hello! :-)
makes snail-like sound
22:21
@RegDwigнt To be fair to GT, those are different sequences of characters.
The second is my favorite so far.
Why do I always drop off at the computer and promise myself I'll know better next time?
Ground floor
Without pass
Did you do this?
MEMORY MEMORITY
Landmine Zimbabwe is one of the few nonpartisan mothers of the United Arab Emirates
Land mines Land of the land without any
of the ancestors of the
Mummam's Mommamma
Earth Land Land Land Land Offshoring
Offspring Ancestors Mummers
Jun 22 '13 at 11:31, by RegDwighт
Yes, the second one.
I know.
I figured I transcribe them all.
For posterity.
And for poetry.
I do nothing but transcribe things all day long anyway.
Mostly it's not words though.
On your tablet? :)
Lol how appropriate. Mummam's Mommamma summons Mitch.
@Færd Phone or tablet or PC. Don't use the pencil much these days.
Did some transcribing in a company meeting earlier today.
I bet they were thinking I was doing something serious. Like playing Farmville.
22:34
It's hard to keep up with people talking on phone.
On a keyboard it's more feasible.
And you type fairly fast.
Yeah that's the comment I like leaving on YouTube.
Whenever someone says "nice video but I wished you could talk slower, I am not a fast listener".
I always reply "nice comment but I wished you could type slower, I'm not a fast reader".
Hehe
Any time you see shit like this, that's one of my alter egos.
I've not seen anyone else do it.
I was thinking how cool it would be if you could translate and transcribe on the spot.
@snailboat I'm very aware of the problems with introspection. If there is an erro it is because I am relying on remembered statements (like 'unvoiced vowels are rare in the world') which could be misremembered or correct only in some context or just wrong.
22:37
Well that's what professional translators do.
Like, the ones doing the talking, not the writing.
I only do the writing.
In German these two professions have different names.
Übersetzer and Dolmetscher.
Do you mean interpreters?
But to listen and transcribe the translation at the same time, does anyone do that?
I should learn English some time.
Exposed by Mitch. The horror.
Dolmetscher sounds like an unappetizing pastry
22:38
Funnily enough it's related to a Slavic word nobody suspects it's related to. Толмач.
@Mitch But that's spoken.
@RegDwigнt self schadenfreude
Meaning the same thing but kinda archaic. At least in Russian.
@RegDwigнt my case is made. Have you ever had Slavic pastry? Unappetizing
@Færd which was my point, it was me who brought it up.
Mitch merely found the word for it.
@Mitch I've had Slavic everything in my life.
22:40
If you ask someone in Russia if they want a pastry, the reply is always no, I was planning on killing myself some more pleasant way
Hm. I should try that.
Asking, not the pastry.
The pastry I've tried.
@RegDwigнt That's nothing to boast of
Another thing I was thinking about today, how cool it would be if I engaged in the conversation whose translation I'm transcribing on the spot.
According to my official documents, I live in Russia, after all. :-D
It would come handy to me.
22:41
@Mitch yeah. It's a mixed bag.
Unlike with America, there everything is just all horrible all the time.
@Færd there's be a lot of repetition
Why?
@RegDwigнt for that you want a Ungemischttutendolmetscher
Say, everyone is talking in Farsi and one of the participants is writing it down in English to be shown on a screen for a non-Farsi speaking audience.
@RegDwigнt But we have these idiotic grins all the time. Like we just ate shit. And then you realize that's exactly what happened
22:43
@Færd okay ccccombo breaker just for a second I have to ask you to teach me Instagram.
What is it with those full-screen posts that I see sometimes.
Like your recent one.
So basically I'm saying that I won this contest. You may have shitty pastry but we went ahead and ate it.
I can't do anything on those. How do I like them?
I seem to be able to leave a comment, but I want to leave a heart.
@RegDwigнt Me teach you wha?
Those are stories.
@Færd because of the recursion
You can't like them, because liking them is pointless.
22:45
@Færd I was just about to ask if that's what they were.
You didn't specify a base case
So what do I do about these?
They seem kinda user-unfriendly to me.
Your reaction to them is not visible to the followers of either you or the story maker.
That sucks.
Why would people post them then, if they can't even get a like.
But if you put up a story you can see who viewed it.
22:46
Hm.
But that I can see on regular posts anyway.
Think of fapping instead of full-fledged sex.
Yeah.
Figures.
You want to share something but not spend too much time on it.
This new-fashioned Internet stuff is beyond my comprehension.
And you don't want it to hang around in your profile for a long time.
So you share it as a story, and it disappears in 24 hours.
22:47
Yeah that I know about stories, which is why I never tried posting one myself.
Is talking about shit bad?
I mean what if you're a shit doctor?
Any reaction to it goes to the private messaging part.
I do see a lot of stories with quite high production value. Bummer people just let them vanish like that.
I mean not a bad doctor but a doctor of shit?
@Mitch you've not had enough Seinfeld clips for tonight?
22:49
@RegDwigнt Oh there's a function on new versions of Instagram that you can sort out and keep some of your stories in your profile.
Like someone who deals with fecal transplants. Or intestinal biota?
I haven't used it yet. Let me find a link.
Thank you.
I think we should discuss the elephant in the room
22:50
@Mitch Aren't they all doctors of shit?
@RegDwigнt No probs.
Like, how did he get in here? He's too. If for the door
The window is definitely too small
Lol it's automatically in German for me. What is this global Stasi conglomerate that tells everything about me to every site I visit.
Was he born here? But his mom would be to big
@Mitch oh I'm making a video on an elephant.
@RegDwigнt not to go all tech on you and shut, but google doesn't bother keeping an explicit table of info that connects you. It just machine learns a function that says oh you got this IP address and maybe you had a cookie that visited mars once, imma give you an ad for poop stuff.
And it'll be right!
@RegDwigнt exactly
22:54
What is it with you and poop tonight.
You are assman, arencha.
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