English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

KitFox

19:00

Or is it just because you like me?

JSBᾶngs

doing the join inside your linqtosql class will probably be slower, and it may be harder to maintain

KitFox

That's what I wanted to hear. Thanks.

Robusto

@Vitaly What about grep search? Reverse dictionary?

Vitaly

@Robusto No, but the database is extractable (and this is probably illegal to do in the U.S.)

Robusto

I'm kind of amazed it can all fit on a CD-ROM, though. Compressibility of text, I suppose.

Vitaly

19:02

Although the CD version has sufficient search tools (search in citations and so on)

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Who is summoning teh modz...

George Edison

Somebody flagged something in here.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I know.

George Edison

...then that's why we're here :P

Vitaly

What was that something? o_O

RegDwight Ѭſ道

19:03

That wasn't my question.

But yeah.

Everyone welcome George or something.

Robusto

We already have a mod in here. A very strict one, btw.

jrg

waves flags are an easy way to get people in a chatroom. . . protip

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@jrg just tell me which room you are going to next, I will gladly flag you there.

George Edison

Not that we want people using flags to summon us or anything though...

jrg

@RegDwightѬſ道 I'll just mark is invalid then. :)

@GeorgeEdison true fact.

Robusto

19:05

@GeorgeEdison I totally almost flagged you right there.

KitFox

Hi George. Hi jrg.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Anyway, now that we have guests, let's entertain them with a great joke.

Mar 9 at 14:57, by KitFox

A Romanian shark walks into some Germans and says "hi."

KitFox

blushes

flustered Aw, Reg.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Well it got starred thrice.

Mahnax

What got flagged?

jrg

19:06

@RegDwightѬſ道 What kind of a joke is that?

KitFox

Was it me? Did I get flagged?

George Edison

@Mahnax I'm pretty sure it's supposed to stay confidential.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@jrg A trilingual one.

George Edison

@RegDwightѬſ道 I don't get it either.

jrg

Chat flags, like all flags are confidential.

KitFox

19:06

pouts

Mahnax

@GeorgeEdison I know.

jrg

@RegDwight i see.

Mahnax

Had to ask, though.

George Edison

If the person who cast the flag chooses to reveal their identity, then... well... that's their choice.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@GeorgeEdison Learn Romanian, then German, then English, then come to this room again and laugh.

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Mahnax

19:07

Well, Google Translate says that shark in German is "hai".

KitFox

Well, then. I'm sorry I poked you in the eye, @Vitaly.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Mahnax I find your approach to learning intriguing.

Vitaly

@KitFox Huh? That was the message that got flagged?

Mahnax

@RegDwightѬſ道 Why?

KitFox

@Vitaly I don't know. I was just guessing.

Robusto

19:08

I guess I see the vector here: both drop-ins are nominal members of Christianity.SE, which we were cough discussing here.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Mahnax Because I lost it intriguing earlier today.

Vitaly

@KitFox So you are saying that 10K users just see that something was flagged but don't know what exactly was flagged?!

KitFox

@Vitaly I didn't see a flag.

Mahnax

@RegDwightѬſ道 What?

KitFox

Otherwise I could tell you.

Robusto

19:09

The whole flagging-in-chat system is kind of dumb anyway. You don't see any context.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Mahnax Seven.

Mahnax

@RegDwightѬſ道 Wrong. The correct answer is six.

KitFox

No. Eight.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Mahnax seven days, Mahnax. Seven.

Matt Эллен

except on leap years when there are 366

George Edison

19:10

@Robusto Context isn't needed for really offensive stuff.

And otherwise, the moderator just drops in - like now.

Robusto

@GeorgeEdison Define "really insulting" — I just called @RegDwight a deutschbag yesterday and he didn't think it particularly remarkable.

KitFox

But if he had, he would have flagged it.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I think Rob has had enough flagging.

KitFox

Then everyone else could have kicked you out.

Robusto

No, he would have deflected, or changed the subject, or made some kind of joke.

KitFox

19:12

sighs

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Robusto or all three. Don't you underestimate me.

KitFox

Now we have a ton of random stars.

Robusto

@RegDwightѬſ道 Ha. I will misunderestimate you!

Matt Эллен

yes

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@KitFox what is a ton?

Matt Эллен

19:13

it's like there are people playing with the starring system

Robusto

@KitFox Can you buy them by the ton?

Matt Эллен

@RegDwightѬſ道 like a tonne, only lighter

KitFox

@RegDwightѬſ道 More than I think is appropriate for stuff that isn't funny.

Matt Эллен

or a river crossing

KitFox

@Robusto Dunno.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

19:13

How many river crossings to the ton?

KitFox

Seven.

Matt Эллен

12

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Ah!

KitFox

12 is a baker's ton.

Robusto

There are only 7 in a short ton.

13 is a baker's ton. Geez, don't you know anything?

KitFox

19:14

Nuh-uh!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Well if you take 12, and add up the 1 and the 2, and then another four, you'll arrive at seven!

Robusto

Wow, it's like ... magic. Almost like Christianity.

Matt Эллен

I do beg your pardon, ton is not a river crossing, it is a homestead

KitFox

13 is a baker's dozen.

Gah.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

221b is a baker's street.

KitFox

19:15

21 is a Jump Street.

Mahnax

I know which message was flagged.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

So ein Depp.

Robusto

Wait, maybe that is why the first note of the scale is so heavy. Because it's the tonic note! Whee!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Bah. Tonic.

Robusto

Anything tonic must be heavy.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

19:16

Apr 15 '11 at 14:14, by RegDwight

Hey, I'm only in for the gin. I'm only here for the beer.

Robusto

And odd-ka for the vodka.

Matt Эллен

@Mahnax Hehe, I thought I was the only one!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Heavytones

Die heavytones sind die Band der Fernsehsendung TV total. Bandgeschichte Die Band hatte ihren ersten Fernsehauftritt im Januar 2001, nachdem TV total innerhalb der Stadt Köln vom Rudolfplatz ins neue Studio im Capitol umgezogen war. Die Band wurde auf Wunsch des Moderators Stefan Raab vom Schlagzeuger Herbert Jösch zusammengestellt. Ursprünglich lautete der Name der Band herb and the heavytones. 2003 tourten die heavytones das erste Mal in der Formation durch Deutschland und spielten die aus TV total bekannten Songs in voller Länge mit Unterstützung der Sänger Ron T. und Henrik Wage...

Crap! The war!

Mahnax

@MattЭллен Well, I have evidence, too.

I can't share though.

It's confidential.

Gigili

But bah is still under my copyright.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

19:17

@Rob @Kit @Vit I'm spending.

Robusto

See what happens, foreign mods? See what happens when you meet a stranger in the Alps? You show up and we start giggling and flinging our poo. And we won't stop till you leave.

Vitaly

Okay. Me too, then.

Robusto

@RegDwightѬſ道 On Blue Oysters?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Yes.

Matt Эллен

> it wouldn't take much for a group of militant atheists to club together, upvote non-Christian answers and downvote answers that do explain the Christian perspective.

They've guessed our plot guys

KitFox

19:20

What? Our plot, now, is it?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

That's not a plot, that's democracy.

Matt Эллен

fine, your plot

Vitaly

Spent.

KitFox

@MattЭллен Thank you.

Matt Эллен

keep it! I'm not feeling anarchic now, anyway

Vitaly

19:21

@Reg do I refill?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Vitaly not in an 8k war.

Vitaly

OK.

Robusto

Spent, and we're still behind.

Vitaly

So, question. Do you need 10K reputation points on a site to see the flags, or 10K reps across the whole SE network?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Hey, I didn't see any flags. Is that a hint?

Robusto

19:25

We get flags from other chats.

Mitch

Re:

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Q: Difference between "substantive" and "substantial"

My professor has asked us to give a substantive presentation in order to complete a course. I needed to look up the dictionary as this was a new word for me. Dictionaries do not point to a clear difference between substantive and substantial. How do these words differ in terms of the usage? Their...

Mahnax

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Yes.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

My last one didn't count, but we'd have lost anyway.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mahnax excellent!

Vitaly

@Robusto So in theory a few more beta SEs and anyone with 200 reps on one site could see all the flags if they registered on all SE sites combined and did nothing?

KitFox

19:26

@RegDwightѬſ道 My last one didn't count either.

Mahnax

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Shh.

KitFox

@MattЭллен Keep it? Why, so I can mull it over with tea and scones?

Mitch

@FumbleFingers: my point is thatyour usage is a good example of when -not- to use NGrams. You're comparing frequency of use of "substantial point" and "substantive point" (I don't know why you added 'point). This leads one to believe you're thinking (and presenting them) as synonyms, or alternatives, when the whole question is about them -not- being alternatives.

Robusto

@Vitaly Not sure how it works, really.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox Well, I'm sure it would be delicious

Robusto

19:27

Oooh, an NGram controversy! rubs hands together and salivates

KitFox

I thought I needed 10K on this site.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

That's my understanding as well.

KitFox

Well, not this one specifically, but on a single one.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

That's not my understanding.

KitFox

I'm pretty sure I couldn't see flags before that.

Robusto

19:28

Maybe you need glasses.

KitFox

I wear glasses already.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Then bottles.

Robusto

Kegs.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Bottles.

Mahnax

My vision is at -4.5 in each eye.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

19:30

That's OVER 9000 combined!

Robusto

@Mahnax That's, like, legally blind, yeah?

KitFox

Mine's +8.75 and +9.25.

Mahnax

@Robusto No…

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I wear glasses with Fensterglas.

Robusto

@RegDwightѬſ道 Then you defenestrate yourself when you go to bed?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

19:32

I have no clever answer to that. How about a dumb one?

Robusto

Won't work. Try it.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Um. No?

Robusto

So the mystery is solved.

Mahnax

Why is that starred?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Any random crap can get starred here.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

19:34

Random crap.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Even I get starred.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Sorry, I mean:

KitFox

@Robusto There was a mystery?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Any random crap.

5

Awww.

Robusto

@KitFox Well, it was a conjecture. Then I looked it up.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

19:34

So Mr Shiny was actually wrong.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Stars mean "I agree!" and flags mean "I'm telling mom!"

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Any random crap doesn't get starred. Only random crap does.

Robusto

It has to be RegDwight's random crap.

Gigili

I WANTED TO REMEMBER THE SENTENCE.

Robusto

@MrShinyandNew安宇 This is starting to sound like astrology. Is there something in there about planets?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

19:35

Guys. And Gals.

yesterday, by RegDwight Ѭſ道

We have guests, and what do they see in the starred list? Three messages about turds, one about a HUGE penis, and another one about sucking ass.

Gigili

Why do you remove my stars? They're far better than your random craps.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

History repeats itself.

Matt Эллен

lol

KitFox

@RegDwightѬſ道 That was my son's HUGE penis! Hardly offensive unless you are a pedophile!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@KitFox Unless??? How is it offensive to a pedophile?

Mitch

19:37

@FumbleFingers @FumbleFingers: my point is that your usage is a good example of when -not- to use NGrams. You're comparing frequency of use of "substantial point" and "substantive point" (I don't know why you added 'point). This leads one to believe you're thinking (and presenting them) as synonyms, or alternatives, when the whole question is about them -not- being alternatives. (Pardon all for the repost)

KitFox

@RegDwightѬſ道 Because they are intimidated by his size?

Robusto

@RegDwightѬſ道 No. We don't have guests. Guests are people you invite to something. There are other words for people who show up uninvited, waiting to censure whatever is happening. Words like buzzkill and party-crasher come to mind.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Natural born buzzkillers?

Robusto

Tru dat. Ya feel me?

KitFox

And lame-o

RegDwight Ѭſ道

19:38

Okay.

Matt Эллен

No! not Buzz! kill the slinky dog, or the female cowboy, but not Buzz!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Mar 16 at 21:41, by RegDwight Ѭſ道

Anyhow. Back on topic. Which question sucks balls right now?

Matt Эллен

0

Q: Positioning adverb

Is this a general rule: Scarily, she must have been dancing too close to the cliff. She scarily must have been dancing too close to the cliff. She must scarily have been dancing too close to the cliff. She must have scarily been dancing too close to the cliff. She must have been scarily danc...

adverbs

Robusto

0

Q: Positioning adverb

Is this a general rule: Scarily, she must have been dancing too close to the cliff. She scarily must have been dancing too close to the cliff. She must scarily have been dancing too close to the cliff. She must have scarily been dancing too close to the cliff. She must have been scarily danc...

adverbs

Matt Эллен

jinx

Robusto

19:39

Jinx!

Matt Эллен

metajinx

Robusto

Double-jinx!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Meta-jinx.

Oh FFS

Matt Эллен

ultrajinx

Robusto

The "positioning adverb" question demonstrates how to write an algorithm to bold each word in a sentence sequentially. Because nobody would be industrious enough to do that by hand, right?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

19:41

@Matt you are so mean.

Matt Эллен

And this is only an average day

RegDwight Ѭſ道

That guy says, "this question is not a dupe of Are there any rules on the positioning adverbs should take in a sentence?", and you say, "dupe of Are there any rules on the positioning adverbs should take in a sentence?"

Matt Эллен

well, it is

RegDwight Ѭſ道

If he says his question is different, I must believe him. If he doesn't specify what his question is, we must close it.

Matt Эллен

just because he disagrees with me, I don't know

the whole world disagrees with me, I'm still right

RegDwight Ѭſ道

19:42

Then why do you drive on the wrong side of the road?

Matt Эллен

Even on the left, I'm right

Robusto

@RegDwightѬſ道 He doesn't drive on the wrong side. He drives on the left side. So he's a communist, which you should be able to appreciate.

Matt Эллен

:D

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Robusto Au contraire. I think stating "even on the left, I am right" makes him a Teapartyist.

KitFox

Even on drugs, Rush is right.

Robusto

19:44

@RegDwightѬſ道 No, because the teabaggers aren't allowed to use the word "left."

RegDwight Ѭſ道

"Do we have any milk right, honey?"

Robusto

Left Behind

Left Behind is a series of 16 best-selling novels by Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins, dealing with Christian dispensationalist End Times: pretribulation, premillennial, Christian eschatological viewpoint of the end of the world. The primary conflict of the series is the members of the Tribulation Force against the Global Community and its leader Nicolae Carpathia—the Antichrist. Left Behind is also the title of the first book in the series. The series was first published 1995-2007 by Tyndale House, a firm with a history of interest in dispensationalism. The series has been adapted into ...

Well, there is one way they can use that word.

KitFox

Augh, no!

@Robusto My ex-boyfriend had those, and the videotapes.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Robusto that one is okay because it makes it clear that left is totally behind.

KitFox

Oh. I thought it was about the sinister butt cheek.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

19:46

@KitFox are you typng out llowed again?

KitFox

Yes.

Robusto

The "left behind" is code for "your commie ass" as in "We will fry your commie ass on Judgment Day."

RegDwight Ѭſ道

But only the sinister cheek, as per Kit.

Robusto

Stop being cheeky in chat!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

And hey, I don't mind. I'm a Christian. Whom else should the poor souls eat? The four horses?

Matt Эллен

19:49

he's stopped being beaky in chat

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I will turn the other cheek, too!

Robusto

You have to be beaky in bat, not chat. Chat is where you are not supposed to be cheeky.

@KitFox Wow. How'd he ever get to be your now instead of your ex?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

By applying directly to the forehead.

Robusto

double facepalm

And speaking of double facepalms ...

KitFox

@Robusto He was my bartender.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

19:51

♪ Love me bartender, love me sweet... ♪

KitFox

He was nice enough.

Robusto

@KitFox Protip: Never fall in love with your bartender. When it's all over, you have to find a new place to drink.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

♪ You can make my drink complete... ♪

KitFox

@Robusto Strange as it may seem, that has never been a problem for me.

Robusto

@KitFox Beginner's luck.

KitFox

19:53

I think I have had sexual relations with 50% of my bartenders and about 30% of my regular servers.

Robusto

@KitFox What about your Linux servers? Oh, right. You can't have sex with those.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

What about workstations?

Gah.

FumbleFingers

@Mitch But I think substantial/substantive were synonymous - my point being that the latter has gradually taken over for this metaphoric use in relation to abstracts such as points in arguments.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Jinx in spirit.

KitFox

@Robusto Sure you can.

Robusto

19:53

Nuh-uh.

Matt Эллен

there are peripherals, etc.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Wow we have a mod from Lingo.SE.

Perhaps he will appreciate the joke. Not all hope is lost!

Robusto

@FumbleFingers I disagree. I believe substantial refers to size and substantive differentiates between what is real and what is not.

KitFox

@Robusto draws diagram Like this, see?

FumbleFingers

@Robusto I largely agree

RegDwight Ѭſ道

19:56

Robusto

@KitFox I see where you made your mistake. deftly reaches in and puts the balls on the other side See?

@FumbleFingers You mean you substantially agree, or you agree in spirit (i.e., not substantively)?

KitFox

@Robusto Hmm. I will have to try that on the next installation.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Robusto

I don't have time for cubes.

KitFox

waves to @Otavio

Gigili

19:58

@RegDwightѬſ道 Spammer. ;)

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Cubicism debunks evil academic singularity. Planets created via opposite rotating poles. Flag depicts opposite rotating hemispheres.

Robusto

The only thing missing from your thesis is a star.

FumbleFingers

@Robusto I don't think I've ever substantively agreed anything. All I'm saying is that substantial point was more common than substantive point until recent decades, and I don't think people ever meant anything different with either version.

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