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Sonic The Hedgehog

00:00

nvm.

user19161

Who are you quoting again? The home alone kid?

Sonic The Hedgehog

no

YGO GX

user19161

I like home alone 1 and 2 but not 3 and 4.

Sonic The Hedgehog

gotta go now. Cya!

same

user19161

@SonicTheHedgehog Enjoy kimchi!

Mahnax

06:03

@SonicTheHedgehog Monologue.

Sahil

06:14

hi any one dre

Mahnax

I'm here.

user19161

12:28

@Mahnax I'm avatarless again for now.

Matt Эллен

12:57

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Q: Anglo Saxon noun suffixes

What is the etymology of the suffix '-ness'? I have come across it in OE texts but always assumed it was a later borrowing.

etymology

General reference

Happy first day back at w--k

user19161

@MattЭллен Good good.

Matt Эллен

Hi Jasper :)

user19161

@MattЭллен What did you eat for lunch? I had chicken, egg and long beans for dinner.

Matt Эллен

I had a cheese and pickle sandwich and a peanut butter, honey and ginger sandwich

@JasperLoy any flavourings with it?

user19161

@MattЭллен It is all mixed with rice. The rice had gravy from the chicken.

Matt Эллен

13:02

sounds good

user19161

@MattЭллен The latter sounds exotic.

user19161

@MattЭллен Cheap local fare I have almost daily.

user19161

I like to go for cheap, good stuff, be it food or books or whatever.

Matt Эллен

@JasperLoy it's like a dessert sandwich

@JasperLoy wise

user19161

Just deserts is for the evil man. Just desserts is for the good man. The former burns in the desert while the latter enjoys his dessert.

user19161

13:05

I have a feeling the above will be starred soon.

Matt Эллен

uhuh

user19161

Changing the counting method, I find that my blog has at least 500 non-self views. Whoo!

Matt Эллен

ace!

user19161

I just take the total number of views minus Linux views, since I only use Linux.

Matt Эллен

but not only you!

user19161

13:08

Yes, hence at least 500 views, possibly more.

Kitḫ

Hola.

user19161

Hey @kit!

Kitḫ

Hey @jas!

Matt Эллен

hi @Kit! :)

Kitḫ

hi @Matt! ;)

Man, did I take my time about getting in this morning.

user19161

13:10

I hope I dream of Maria again tonight.

Matt Эллен

@Kitḫ accidentally?

user19161

Hi @jsb!

user19161

Perhaps Maria will dream of me too.

Kitḫ

@MattЭллен Nah. I gamboled, gambled, and won.

user19161

@MattЭллен One must get up from the right side of the bed as well.

user19161

13:13

Otherwise everything will go wrong.

Kitḫ

I slept past the buzzer, said good morning to my boys, waited for coffee, let the new car warm up...it was a good morning.

Matt Эллен

@Kitḫ good oh! Feeling lucky, huh ;)

@JasperLoy I can only rise from the left. Although i could change which end I sleep at

Kitḫ

Oh yeah. Even when I'm late, I'm usually still in before everyone else.

user19161

There are three sleeping positions: on your back (need moderate pillow), on your tummy (need low pillow), on your side (need high pillow). I belong to the side group.

Kitḫ

O_o, Matt rises sinister!

Matt Эллен

13:14

@Kitḫ well then, you're not even late!

Kitḫ

@MattЭллен Exactly, my friend.

Matt Эллен

:D

user19161

I hunted all over the island for the right pillow a few years ago. My current pillow is a few years old.

Kitḫ

And I made the point of asking the dean if she'd gotten her new parking tag yet, what with the new year and all.

user19161

I can only sleep on latex pillows. Only these are not flattened too much over time.

Kitḫ

13:16

Cleverly leading her to think that that was why I was outside of the building at that particular time.

Matt Эллен

Good thinking!

user19161

I once got the very expensive NASA pillow but it's useless.

Kitḫ

Ach. Latex. Latex chafes me so.

Matt Эллен

@JasperLoy only works in micro-gravity?

Kitḫ

@MattЭллен I don't know where you got the notion that my project lead is a total jackass. He's perfectly competent.

See? That almost-degree in psychology has really paid off.

user19161

13:17

@MattЭллен I can't remember what it has to do with NASA, but it's the real NASA alright. It changes shape according to your head. But that is not the real issue.

Matt Эллен

@JasperLoy micro-gravity is what you experience in the ISS

@Kitḫ hehehe

user19161

@MattЭллен OK the pillow is 99 dollars local currency, and it's wasted!

Kitḫ

@MattЭллен Or when conducting secret experiments at the bottom of the ocean.

Matt Эллен

Shhhhh! you're letting your country's secrets out!

Kitḫ

Oh bonus! I just found a peanut-butter cup in my coat pocket.

Matt Эллен

13:19

sweet!

Kitḫ

@MattЭллен Right, yes, my country's secrets. Shh. Don't tell.

user19161

@MattЭллен You mean the secret that the pillow costs 99 dollars?

Matt Эллен

I think I have mentos in my coat pocket...

Kitḫ

Mentos? Even better.

user19161

Well my latex pillow is only 10 dollars I think, very good!

Kitḫ

13:21

Latex and I don't get along.

Matt Эллен

hmmm. apparently I've eaten them

Kitḫ

LaTeX and I get along very well, though.

user19161

Why do the American dramas always have girls saying peanut butter and jelly sandwich?

Kitḫ

@MattЭллен Well, I lied anyway. Mentos are not even better.

Matt Эллен

:D

user19161

13:21

I think peanut butter and jelly do not go together.

Kitḫ

@JasperLoy [citation needed]

@MattЭллен offers Altoids

user19161

@Kitḫ Can't remember. Maybe I'm just crapping.

user19161

But anyway I like watching Gilmore Girls!

Matt Эллен

@Kitḫ ta! mmmm minty

Kitḫ

Peanut butter and jelly sandwiches are a staple of the young American diet.

I feed them to my boys all the time.

JSBᾶngs

13:23

@Kitḫ you'd be appalled to know that i didn't like peanut butter as a child

Kitḫ

It's like hot dogs and apple pie.

@JSBᾶngs Nah. I remember not liking cheese as a child.

Hi @JSB!

user19161

@jsb has been snow-gazing since New Year's Eve.

Kitḫ

I have always been partial to crunchy peanut butter; now I am foisting that on my children.

What's snow-gazing?

user19161

@Kitḫ He was looking at the snow when I wished him on New Year's Eve.

Kitḫ

Ah. I see.

Oh right! It's 2012.

user19161

13:25

I can only do rain-gazing here.

Kitḫ

Happy New Year.

user19161

But one day I may go skiing with Maria.

Kitḫ

How do you solve a problem like Maria?

user19161

@Kitḫ Well, by solving the other problems first.

JSBᾶngs

@Kitḫ my sister's name is maria! we sang that song to her often

also Happy New Year @ELU

user19161

13:27

@kit Do you know who Maria is by the way?

user19161

@Kitḫ Happy New Year!

user19161

@JSBᾶngs Happy New Year!

user19161

@matt Happy New Year!

Kitḫ

@JasperLoy Julie Andrews?

user19161

@Kitḫ You really don't know?

Kitḫ

13:29

►

Matt Эллен

Happy new year @JasperLoy

JSBᾶngs

Julie Andrews is probably the one true Maria

Kitḫ

@JasperLoy Should I?

JSBᾶngs

or, since this is Jasper, it may be that Maria is a solecism for Mariah

Matt Эллен

@Kitḫ with Maths?

or particle physics

bah! I just tried to tab complete physics

Kitḫ

13:30

Oh, oh! Particle physics!

JSBᾶngs

so, first day back in office, and i have only 116 unread mail messages. not mad.

Matt Эллен

Well, as soon as they disprove the Higgs field, I'm sure they'll get right on top of Maria

Kitḫ

But apparently, it is by tempting her with Captain Von Trapp.

user19161

@Kitḫ Yes. Well Maria is the original Maria I liked before the other one.

Kitḫ

@MattЭллен chortle

Matt Эллен

13:32

;)

Kitḫ

@JasperLoy Which other one?

@JSBᾶngs Woohoo!

user19161

@Kitḫ Erm, don't you know that there were two?

Matt Эллен

hi @JSBngs :) sounds like a good number of mails

Kitḫ

All I've got is a friend request from someone I don't know.

user19161

@JSBᾶngs Do you mean not bad?

JSBᾶngs

13:33

@JasperLoy er, yes

user19161

I think @kit should know who Maria is by now.

user19161

Oh dear, my cryptic ways are returning.

user19161

@Kitḫ I watched that before.

Kitḫ

So are you not using her real name? Or is there a third?

@JasperLoy So you understand my reference then.

user19161

@Kitḫ Of course Maria's real name cannot be typed in this room in this context.

user19161

13:37

@Kitḫ No there were only two. I am sure you remember.

Kitḫ

I can neither confirm nor deny any recollection of your love interests at this time.

user19161

@Kitḫ Very cryptic!

Kitḫ

So why did you pick the name Maria?

Is she a problem you are trying to solve?

JSBᾶngs

@Kitḫ because it's my sister's name, obviously

user19161

@Kitḫ It's a code name you see. And it happens in many songs I know, like Ave Maria.

user19161

13:39

@JSBᾶngs Don't worry, I am not after your sister.

Kitḫ

@JSBᾶngs Dude, does your sister look like Danny Craig too? Because I would totally go for that.

JSBᾶngs

@JasperLoy don't worry, she's married and has a baby, so she's off the market

Kitḫ

Damn.

user19161

@Kitḫ No, not a problem, just a wish.

Kitḫ

Did your first wish come true?

user19161

13:40

@JSBᾶngs LOL

user19161

@Kitḫ No, and I know not when, but I will continue to work towards it, and then the second, and now this Maria will be the third.

Kitḫ

Hey, do any of you programmers know how to decrypt and re-encrypt PS3 data files?

user19161

Mrs Hiny is not here unfortunately.

Matt Эллен

@Kitḫ PlayStation3? no, nor any other thing that PS3 might mean, sorry

user19161

So @kit I actually emailed Maria during Christmas, haha! But no reply of course, just to let you know.

Matt Эллен

13:42

you're not trying to mess with Skyrim, are you?

Kitḫ

@MattЭллен I just need to fix it. It is very frustrating.

Matt Эллен

@Kitḫ I see. Badly tested games are frustrating

Kitḫ

Skyrim has copy-protected save files, which is bloody annoying considering that we've played a collective almost 200 hours under some random dude's account.

Matt Эллен

XD

user19161

Maybe it's not a dude but a babe.

Kitḫ

13:44

So we had to create new players at his mom's house when we were down there for a week.

It took us about a day to even figure out what the problem was, since Oblivion doesn't have that problem.

And we've never seen it before.

It's really, really annoying.

Matt Эллен

what is the problem?

Kitḫ

You have a PSN account associated with your user account. That gets stamped on the file. If you try to load it onto a PS3 that doesn't have that PSN account, it will let you play, but not save.

So apparently, for the last two years, we have been playing with an account that belongs to the person who used to own our PS3.

user19161

I wonder what Mrs Hiny is doing now.

user19161

Maybe having tea with Mr Hiny.

Kitḫ

It was only when we decided to move our Netflix onto the PS3 that we even realized it, and shortly thereafter had the Skyrim issue.

If we hadn't tried Netflix, it probably would have taken a million years before we figured it out.

Matt Эллен

13:48

oh man, that's annoying. Why do games companies make things so screwy?

Kitḫ

Because what sort of sick bastard would do something like that?

And the most annoying thing is that Oblivion wasn't like that.

And I can understand maybe doing that for multiplayer online games or whatnot, but seriously, what gives?

user19161

@MattЭллен I have difficulty parsing this sentence.

Kitḫ

If people want to cheat at Skyrim, that's their business.

Matt Эллен

quite

user19161

@Kitḫ No cursing in chat!

Kitḫ

13:50

I just want to be able to take my 70+ hours of gameplay to my mother-in-law's house.

Matt Эллен

@Kitḫ it shouldn't matter then name of the player. Or the account. it's almost as if they're trying to stop people selling save games or something

Kitḫ

Sure, maybe. But who cares if they sell save games?

user19161

Luckily I play no games.

Kitḫ

They have to have bought the game in order for them to work anyway.

user19161

In Soviet Russia, games play me.

Matt Эллен

13:52

@Kitḫ I don't know, but Blizzard made it part of the WoW EULA that you can't sell your gold outside the game, and I can't fathom that either.

Kitḫ

Anyway, I think I will write down the other person's account email, and see if I can create an account without having to enter the password.

@MattЭллен That's different.

That was creating an unregulated currency exchange.

Matt Эллен

Also, they made hacking the diablo save games incredibly difficult

@Kitḫ well, any in game item is not up for external sale

Kitḫ

And in general, I don't support game hacking, but that's because I like playing them.

Matt Эллен

The guys who run Eve Online don't have an issue with such a currency exchange

Kitḫ

I would just like to change the name on my save file.

user19161

13:55

In general I don't support using pirated software.

Kitḫ

@MattЭллен Really? I was pretty sure that all of that was illegal now.

Matt Эллен

@Kitḫ yeah, it does seem a reasonable request

Kitḫ

Maybe I can find a PS3 developer who can do it for me.

Hmm.

I could look up the names of the coders and find an email address...

user19161

But I do like to at least browse books before getting them, but many are not even available for browsing.

Matt Эллен

@Kitḫ Well, I don't play it, I'm going on what other people tell me

user19161

13:56

@MattЭллен In Soviet Russia it plays you.

Matt Эллен

quite!

user19161

I am beginning to enjoy my monologue!

Kitḫ

indeed.

user19161

@Kitḫ So do you think you know who Maria is now?

Kitḫ

Yeah, of course. I'm not actually stupid.

user19161

13:59

@Kitḫ Good good.

Kitḫ

You were obsessed with Lauren and then simchona. Simchona didn't work out, so now you are back to Lauren.

But you aren't supposed to be discussing her in chat, so you came up with a code name.

But really, you just shouldn't discuss her in chat.

Why?

Matt Эллен

do you think a proof reading Stack Exchange could work?

user19161

@MattЭллен But what would the questions be like?

JSBᾶngs

i just saw the most beautiful sunrise from the windows of my office building

Matt Эллен

@JasperLoy please proof read this

JSBᾶngs

14:06

the plains are covered with snow, glowing blue in the dawn light, with stripes of orange and yellow above them from the sun, just getting ready to break over the horizon

user19161

@JSBᾶngs That sounds like a line from your book.

Matt Эллен

it would be like the code review Stack Exchange, but for prose

I guess you'd have to limit the amount being proof read

user19161

@MattЭллен But there would not be a definitive answer.

Matt Эллен

for proof reading? sure there would. you correct the gramar and spel;g mitakes

jarb durn

user19161

@MattЭллен There are various ways to fix a paragraph.

Matt Эллен

14:10

there are various ways to right code

there's no definitive way to write something

user19161

@MattЭллен OK then. Maybe you can propose.

user19161

@jsb How is your book sales?

JSBᾶngs

@JasperLoy meh

Matt Эллен

14:31

@JasperLoy I think maybe writers already does this. I shall not be propositioning today

user19161

@MattЭллен There is a difference between a proposition and a proposal.

Matt Эллен

I know :D

I saw the question earlier today

user19161

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Q: What is the difference in meaning between "proposal" and "proposition"?

These two words have similar meanings, however in certain contexts only one of the two can be used or is used most frequently (fits better idiomatically). Can you give examples of such contexts and if possible explain the difference?

word-choice differences nouns

user19161

But I commented on Martin's answer because I don't know why he said that about a proposition.

user19161

And I did not understand how Jay could have misspelled his name.

user19161

14:33

Though I understand that he used Mister to achieve a comical effect.

Matt Эллен

did jay edit the answer after your comment?

oh, I see the missing t in the second instance

user19161

@MattЭллен Neither edited their answer. They are both nuts.

Matt Эллен

Jay probably hasn't seen it, the first instance is spelt correctly

user19161

@MattЭллен But I think he should write his answer seriously rather than calling him Mister.

Matt Эллен

I think he is being serious. Saying Mr is polite.

user19161

14:39

@MattЭллен Sounds like comedy to me still.

Matt Эллен

well, tone of voice is difficult to hear in text

user19161

@MattЭллен We don't really use Mr in this kind of situation I would say.

Matt Эллен

Referring to someone deferentially?

I think we do

user19161

@MattЭллен Leaving work soon?

Matt Эллен

@JasperLoy in an hour or so. first day back's been a soft one :)

user19161

14:45

@MattЭллен Good good.

Cerberus

@MattЭллен Nooo!

I can give you a good answer to the -ness question!

user19161

@Cerberus Then please do.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus better than etymonline?

Cerberus

@MattЭллен Yes!

Of course.

Matt Эллен

well, then I would very much like to hear it :)

user19161

14:50

@MattЭллен Of course. Without Cerberus there is no English Language.

Cerberus

Does the entry on Etymonline seem complete and satisfactory to you?

Matt Эллен

I don't have a use for the information, so yes

this is why I asked Rita to expand on what she wants to know

Cerberus

Didn't you wonder where -assu- came from?

Matt Эллен

otherwise I can't see what is missing

@Cerberus not in the slightest

:D

Cerberus

I wasn't thinking about the OP, but rather about how useful this question and its answers can be to the general public.

Matt Эллен

14:52

not that I'm not interested, but it's not something I have though about

Cerberus

@MattЭллен Go wash your mouth with soap!

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus right, but as the question is, it's not much use.

Cerberus

@MattЭллен I think it's fine.

It asks for etymology, and Etymonline doesn't have all the information that exists.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus and you have a good answer for it, so I hear

it's not closed yet!

Cerberus

@MattЭллен My answer will not be complete either, but at least more so than E's.

Matt Эллен

14:55

sounds good to me :)

quick, quick! before a close voter sees an opportunity for a kill

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