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10:00 PM
pretty...
 
@medica Zebra swallowtails? I thought you lived in the NE not SE??
Zebras are not a northerly strain in my experience.
 
yes, zebra swallowtails, here
They are not as common as black, but they are here, I think we see them because we have a lot of pawpaw around here.
 
!!wiki pawpaw
 
Paw Paw, Paw paw, or pawpaw may refer to: == Plants and fruits == Asimina, the pawpaw genus, a genus of trees and shrubs native to eastern North America Common pawpaw (Asimina triloba), a temperate fruit tree, native to eastern North America Papaya or pawpaw (Carica papaya), a widely cultivated tropical fruit tree Mountain paw paw (Vasconcellea pubescens), a fruit tree native to South America == Places == Paw Paw, Illinois Paw Paw Township, DeKalb County, Illinois Paw Paw Township, Wabash County, Indiana Paw Paw, Indiana (Miami County) Paw Paw Township, Elk County, Kansas Paw Paw, Kentucky Paw...
 
10:01 PM
Pawpaw is also southern.
 
@medica you mean the checkout people dont know? or others in the line?
 
that's me in the northernmost range.
 
That’s its range. I would every now and again zed a zedbra in Wisconsin; never in Colorado.
 
Is pawpaw the same as papaya @medica?
 
@JasperLoy Not at all!!
 
10:02 PM
@Mitch yes. They've actually said, "you eat that stuff?" and I say, well, you sell it as food, you know.
 
they are bitter if not cooked right.
 
The most bitter thing I have tasted is my meds, lol
 
@Mitch What thing?
 
@JasperLoy No, it's more like... small, big seeded (really big seeded) banannas.
 
@tchrist parsnips
 
10:04 PM
Oh, they should be sweet, almost as sweet as carrots.
 
The banana in the papaya in the iguana in the zenana is in Panama.
 
@Mitch soooo good. very sweet and tangy.
 
That deserves a star.
 
No, it doesn’t.
rep : rep-whore :: star : ???
 
@medica I edited Yoichi's apology so it would ping properly, and accidentally pasted it.
 
10:05 PM
@tchrist I've only ever had them like large, bitter carrots.
 
ah, thanks. Matt explained.
it pinged properly for me.
 
@KitFox It's nnice you got him to do that. it was very un-mod-like behavior.
 
@Mitch What do you mean?
 
@Mitch that was GraceNote who did it.
 
@medica Oh.
@KitFox my mistake.
 
10:06 PM
@Mitch Candy ’em.
 
What a lovely picture.
 
@Mitch Someone is cooking them improperly. They cook up sweet.
 
Why are rutabagas so much tastier than turnips anyway?
 
@tchrist like sweet potatoes? yech. Some things I like about thanksgiving. others not.
 
Yeah, GraceNote explained the situation to him. He apologized once he understood what the situation was.
 
10:07 PM
And where is @JohanLarsson when we’re talking about him?
 
Someone just starred the cat, must be Kit.
 
@tchrist i dunno. why are parsnips tastier than carrots?
 
’Pends on the carrot and parsnip.
 
@JasperLoy I unpinned the message.
 
@tchrist don't get it
 
10:08 PM
@medica yeah, i think it was the same person who made snails and liver and shudders eggplant for me.
 
@Mitch I liked sweet potatoes a lot better once I understood they should taste like carrots and not potatoes.
 
@JohanLarsson A rutabaga is what we in North America call what the Brits call swedes.
 
I'm so sorry, Mom.
 
aaaeeeeww...snails and liver?
 
not at the same time!
 
10:09 PM
@Mitch oops!
@Mitch oh, that is an immense relief!
 
@tchrist kålrot
 
@JohanLarsson Right.
> The first known printed reference to the rutabaga comes from the Swiss botanist Gaspard Bauhin in 1620, where he notes that it was growing wild in Sweden. It is often considered to have originated in Scandinavia or Russia.
 
How about them Cretans vs cretins?
 
rutabaga in finger thick sticks kept in a jar of cold water, in the fridge, is a decent summer snack.
 
@JohanLarsson Indeed.
My grandma would also do that with kohlrabi.
 
10:11 PM
@JohanLarsson what a good idea.
 
swedes fingers in a jar of cold water in the fridge is a decent summer snack.
 
Make little sticks of them.
 
Most of the veges you mentioned are unheard of here.
 
already in the convenient shape of sticks
 
> Rutabaga has a chromosome number of 2n = 38. It originated from a cross between turnip (Brassica rapa) and Brassica oleracea. The resulting cross then doubled its chromosomes, becoming an allopolyploid. This relationship was first published by Woo Jang-choon in 1935 and is known as the Triangle of U.
 
10:12 PM
Triangle of U (added to list of punk band names)
 
@JasperLoy Are you sure you don’t just know them by other names? A lot of these have different names in different parts of the world.
 
@tchrist I think salmon are like that, too, but in the process of shedding some of the extras.
 
@tchrist Hmm maybe. I seldom look at their names in the market.
 
@JasperLoy do they sell manioc? or other root vegetables?
 
10:13 PM
interesting!
 
@Mitch I know not what that is.
 
that is so strange...
 
@medica Are you sure? I thought that while polyploidy is common in plants but — outside of Wolfe’s Solar Cycle — it was unknown in animals due to issues of X-deactivation and such.
 
!!wiki manioc
 
@Mitch That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
 
10:14 PM
ha ha
 
Cassava (/kəˈsɑːvə/), Manihot esculenta, also called manioc, yuca, balinghoy or kamoteng kahoy (in the Philippines), tabolchu (in Northeast India (Garo Hills)), mogo (in Africa), mandioca, tapioca-root, kappa (predominantly in India) and manioc root, a woody shrub of the Euphorbiaceae (spurge) family native to South America, is extensively cultivated as an annual crop in tropical and subtropical regions for its edible starchy tuberous root, a major source of carbohydrates. It differs from the similarly spelled yucca, an unrelated fruit-bearing shrub in the Asparagaceae family. Cassava, when dried...
 
@tchrist I remember reading about that in grad school.
 
The triangle of U is a theory about the evolution and relationships between members of the plant genus Brassica. The theory states that the genomes of three ancestral species of Brassica combined to create three of the common modern vegetables and oilseed crop species. It has since been confirmed by studies of DNA and proteins. The theory was first published in 1935 by Woo Jang-choon, a Korean-Japanese botanist who was working in Japan (where his name was transliterated as "Nagaharu U", his Japanese name). Woo made synthetic hybrids between the diploid and tetraploid species and examined how the...
 
mmmm... tapioca
oops, I misspelled 'mmm'
 
By oilseed, I believe they mean rapeseed.
 
10:15 PM
@t it was a long time ago, but it was proposed as a possible means of evolution.
 
@medica How far along have you gotten with Severian and his pals?
 
I am in book three.
 
I only eat one fruit --- the banana.
 
@tchrist canola!
 
It is very enjoyable, but I have to carve out chunks of time, or I forget important details.
 
10:16 PM
Ah. The polyploidy doesn’t appear until book ten when the generation ship stops off at Green and Blue to let off colonists.
 
@JasperLoy not mango? or ... what other fruits are inyour stores?
 
Book 10! Are they all as good as the first 4?
 
@Mitch Many. Apple, orange, papaya, mango, grape, etc.
 
Not in the same way. The first four are unique.
 
@medica is this game of thrones or Decline and fall of the Roman Empire?
 
10:17 PM
Book of the New Sun
(4 books in that series)
 
@JasperLoy bananas are good for you but tend to ... slow down the GI system
 
There are three Books (New Sun, Long Sun, Short Sun) spanning twelve books in the entire Solar Cycle (4+1+4+3) plus various novellas and short stories.
 
@JasperLoy I like papaya. If you like bananas, you would like pawpaw.
 
Once, someone was flagged in another room for asking me "How long is your banana?"!
 
and it grows wild here, but the squirrels and birds pick them off before they ripen, leaving fewer for me.
:-0
 
10:20 PM
@JasperLoy He meant to ask you about your bandana flag.
 
there's quite a difference...
 
user116848
So if mistress is an 'unmarried lover', concubine seems archaic. Am I right?
 
@Mitch I've never read GoT, my kids have told me not to bother.
 
@Arrowfar I don't know, check the dictionary.
 
@Arrowfar yes, it is archaic
 
10:22 PM
A bandera is a flag.
 
user116848
yeah
 
kind of... you still run into it though.
 
@Arrowfar I think the practice persists.
 
people still talk of concubines
 
Prickly subject, those porcupines.
 
10:24 PM
or pine needles
 
user116848
Yeah, marantou used the word conbubine. So I thought why not say 'mistress'. It's clear now. Thanks.
 
Why do people hate durians?
!!wiki durian
 
The durian (/ˈdjʊriən/) is the fruit of several tree species belonging to the genus Durio. There are 30 recognised Durio species, at least nine of which produce edible fruit. Durio zibethinus is the only species available in the international market: other species are sold in their local regions. Regarded by many people in southeast Asia as the "king of fruits", the durian is distinctive for its large size, strong odour, and formidable thorn-covered husk. The fruit can grow as large as 30 centimetres (12 in) long and 15 centimetres (6 in) in diameter, and it typically weighs one to three kilograms...
 
user116848
Oh, that sounds bad!
 
10:26 PM
"an alternative universe where children are treated as commodities." Hmm, still some of that going on.
@tchrist Is it worth reading?
 
No idea.
It was the top collocation of the two words. :)
 
gosh
 
“Porcupine concubine” sounds like the punchline of a joke.
 
or a really painful romance
 
Same diff.
“How do porcupines make love?” “Very very carefully.”
 
10:28 PM
:)
 
Pain is pleasure, lol.
 
user116848
Not all pain, lol
 
For some.
 
Sep 17 '12 at 12:04, by tchrist
Et anco jois m’es dols e plazer m’es dolors! Ai Ai!
 
user116848
@medica Yeah you are a doc you'd say that :)
 
10:30 PM
A sentence that is much easier to read than it is to figure out what language it is in.
 
true that
Is that Portuguese?
 
No.
 
user116848
Spanish
 
user116848
I guess
 
Still no.
 
10:31 PM
@medica You misspelled Portuguese
 
@JasperLoy thanks.
@tchrist Romanian?
 
user116848
Jasper is very good at spellings I have noticed.
 
Just good at correcting them in chat, lol
 
user116848
:)
 
user116848
It is Latin I think.
 
10:35 PM
@tchrist I can't figure it out.
 
Why is marantou back?
 
@jasperLoy: because she is not asleep yet
 
@marantou Has the maharaja fallen asleep?
 
@oerkelens talks too much on skype with his concubine
 
user116848
@tchrist It is Catalan, right? I google translated it.
 
10:37 PM
@marantou Geezis, who is his concubine? You or someone else? I am now confused.
 
@Arrowfar Well, it’s Occitan or Provençal, so that was a pretty good guess.
 
user116848
thanks :)
 
@oerkelens and me like confusing people
 
I am very confused, lol.
 
The original in Occitan is on the left; the Catalan translation is on the right.
 
10:38 PM
It's always been me , jasper
 
So you can see that those two are different.
A bit.
 
Salvatore.
 
@marantou Ah OK. If you were single, I might have asked you out on a date, lol.
 
I haven't read that book in more than a dcade. I should read it again.
 
Completing books in less than a decade is pretty good.
 
10:40 PM
@JasperLoy: can't blame you....I AM pretty col ;)
 
“Atressi con l'orifanz” was written by Rigaut de Berbezilh.
 
Cool with a lazy o
 
I have never seen it.
I thought it was from Name of the Rose.
 
The movie is a mere palimpsest of the book.
Man, there is nothing written in English about it, I swear. I can find French and Catalan and Spanish though.
> Souvent, c’est l’absence d’articulation au niveau du genou qui est rappelée. Ainsi, le poète occitan Rigaut de Barbezieux se compare, dans sa célèbre chanson Atressi con l’orifanz, à l’éléphant qui chute et ne pourra se relever sans l’aide de ses proches, et dans la Priere Theophile, on dit de la Vierge, évoquant la même caractéristique, que jamais elle ne s’est pliée aux vanités du monde.
 
@YoichiOishi Do you like to eat durian?
 
10:43 PM
I find the Occitan easier to understand than the Catalan. Is Occitan closer to French?
 
@medica Yes.
Or rather, it is French.
 
@YoichOishi: what's it like? everyone talks about durian...
 
That's why, then. Hmm.
 
@marantou Actually, only me, lol.
 
On the border of Spain and France?
 
10:44 PM
Occitan is a langue d’oïl. What we commonly now call French is a langue d’oc.
 
hmm, really interesting!
 
There were two language groups in France et environs.
One who said oïl (modern oui) and the other who said oc.
 
@JasperLoy: There's a whole world talking about durian outside you
 
@marantou Have you tried it before? It is very sweet and fragrant.
 
gosh. I never knew that. I would like to look into that.
 
10:46 PM
Occitan (English pronunciation: /ˈɒksɨtən, -tæn, -tɑːn/; Occitan: [utsiˈta]; French: [ɔksitɑ̃]), also known as lenga d'òc (Occitan: [ˈleŋɡɔ ˈðɔ(k)] ( ); French: langue d'oc) by its native speakers, is a Romance language. It is spoken in southern France, Italy's Occitan Valleys, Monaco, and Spain's Val d'Aran; collectively, these regions are sometimes referred to unofficially as Occitania. Occitan is also spoken in the linguistic enclave of Guardia Piemontese (Calabria, Italy). However, there are strong polemics about the unity of the language, as some think that Occitan is a macrolanguage. Occitan...
The langues d'oïl [lɑ̃ɡᵊdɔjl] or langues d'oui [lɑ̃ɡᵊdwi], in English the Oïl /ˈwiːl/ or Oui /ˈwiː/ languages, are a dialect continuum that includes standard French and its closest autochthonous relatives spoken today in the northern half of France, southern Belgium, and the Channel Islands. They belong to the larger Gallo-Romance group of languages, which also covers most of east-central (Arpitania) and southern France (Occitania), northern Italy and eastern Spain (Catalan Countries) (some linguists place Catalan into the Ibero-Romance grouping instead). Linguists divide the Romance languages...
Catalan is a very close relative of Occitan.
 
yet I can't read it nearly as well.
 
Basically, Catalan is a langue d’oc.
 
@JasperLoy: no obviously not
 
and you can read both?
 
Yes, but the Catalan is somewhat easier.
It just depends on which line of the poem you mean though, because sometimes the Occitan is easier.
 
10:49 PM
But you read French, am I correct?
 
Yes.
Basically, having both columns I can get through it quite well, although I do sometimes have to think about stuff, or switch to the other column.
 
The Catalan has a lot of words that are unfamiliar to me. I have to go back and forth to figure out the Catalan
right
 
@Jasper Loy. I don't eat durian, though I like mango. I ate durian when I travelled Malaysia nad Vietnum, but I cann't recall what they were like. Isn't it the fruit that contain blacke seeds in white meat? Ithink durians are sold in fruit section of department store or upper-food shops. But I wasn't tempted to eat it.
 
Gosh, I can sort of read a language I never heard of. Or better, two side by side that I never heard of.
 
@medica Isn’t that fascinating? Hence my original statement that the line was much easier to read than its language was to place.
 
10:53 PM
So Umberto Eco didn't make that up. Yes, it is.
 
Right. He cited it, as it were.
 
Fascinating.
 
Haha, fascinating is Cerberus's favourite word.
 
:)
I wonder how many Romance languages there are.
 
I’m sure @Cerberus will much enjoy the side-by-side reading of the poem.
@medica That’s actually a question that cannot be answered.
 
10:55 PM
I can see why now.
 
When you have all these isogloss continuums, where does one stop and the next one start?
 
Ibero-Romance, there must be a few of those, at least, as well as the Gallo-Romance... you'd have to visit villages all over the place to compare them to one another.
right.
 
JBJ is going to be touring northern Spain in a few weeks, proceeding from Barcelona west to Santiago. I told him to listen to the natives speaking, especially country folk, because of the continuum. Not counting Basque, of course.
 
That would be truly fascinating.
 
@JasperLoy: I can tell you miss @Cerberus
 
10:58 PM
 
Though, for me, I would probably do better reading them; accents are hard for me.
 
That picture if a very simplified view of things, mind you.
 

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