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11:00 PM
You should be able to get a good eight or twelve from Iberia alone.
 
Gosh, that's really illuminating. And kind of mind boggling.
and all those in Italy, that is a surprise to me as well.
 
Yes, many many in Italy. Of course.
 
I wonder if South Neapolitan is most like Latin?
 
You’d have to say in what way.
 
@marantou Is Cerberus gone?
 
11:02 PM
There are Romance languages that preserve a -u ending instead of -o.
But only a couple keep any case whatsoever.
I think there may still be a separate vocative in Romanian and Sardinian. Something like that.
 
@tchrist Yes, I would qualify it as vocabulary and case
 
Vocabulary is . . . weird.
 
@medica: no...I assume not...Just not here now. And Jasper misses him...I think
 
So the Balkan Romance languages have a heavy influx of Slavic vocabulary, just like the Iberian one have a heavy influx of Arabic vocabulary.
 
ah.
 
11:04 PM
:)
 
@tchrist Romanian names tend to end in -u, it seems.
 
I wonder if this fascinates or frustrates linguists? Or both?
 
So much for sleeping
 
And on that note, I need to retire.
 
Furthermore, a great deal of “common words” that we know in modern Romance were in Vulgar Latin but not Classical Latin.
@AndrewLeach Such as, yes. Good night.
 
11:05 PM
good nite
 
Nighty!
 
@medica Everything fascinates linguists.
 
@tchrist that is a very interesting thing as well.
does it?
I'm glad.
 
@Jasper Loy. I'm trying to recall the name of a delicious fruit which sounds like Chilimoya that is popular in Spain and Portugal. It has yellow skin in the size of tomato or apple. It's sweet and delicious but goes rotten very fast - i.e. one or two days after buying it at fruit shop. We Japanese love to eat apple, grape, pear, fig, persimmons, Japanese quince, all domestic products, and banana, pineapple, Kiwi which are mostly imported. To be honest, I'm fruit-illiterate.
 
Like when a physician says, “That’s interesting.”
 
11:06 PM
LOL, that's a good comparison!
 
@YoichiOishi I know the fruit. In English, we call it starfruit. In Spanish or Portuguese, carambola.
 
I hope I am never interesting medically.
 
Carambola, also known as starfruit, is the fruit of Averrhoa carambola, a species of tree native to the Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, India, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. The fruit is popular throughout Southeast Asia, the South Pacific and parts of East Asia. The tree is also cultivated throughout non-indigenous tropical areas, such as in Latin America, the Caribbean, and the southern United States. The fruit has distinctive ridges running down its sides (usually five, but can sometimes vary); in cross-section, it resembles a star, hence its name. The entire fruit is edible and is usually eaten...
It tastes somewhat like a grape and a pear put together. Kinda.
 
@YoichiOishi - I have tried (unsuccessfully) to grow Japanese quince. I like it, too.
 
@YoichiOishi Is that the fruit you mean? It is quite perishable, so should be eaten soon after purchase.
It has the texture of a grape, maybe a bit firmer.
Perhaps it is this:
スターフルーツ(star fruit、carambola、学名: Averrhoa carambola )は、カタバミ科ゴレンシ属の常緑の木本。和名は五歛子(ごれんし)。独特の形をした果実を食用にする。 == 概要 == 原産は南インドなどの熱帯アジアで、東南アジア全域のほか、中国南部や台湾、ブラジル、ガイアナやトリニダード・トバゴなどカリブ海周辺、アメリカ合衆国のフロリダ、ハワイなど、熱帯から亜熱帯にかけて広く栽培されている。日本では現在、沖縄県や宮崎県などで栽培が行われている。 和名も英名も、由来は果実の横断面が五芒星型をしているところから。中国語でも「五斂子」(ウーリエンズー、wǔliǎnzǐ)というが、現在は「楊桃(羊桃)」(ヤンタオ、yángtáo)が一般的。横断面が三角形に近い品種もあり、中国語で「三斂子」(サンリエンズー、sānliǎnzǐ)という。酸味の強いものは「三稔」(サンレン、sānrĕn)とも呼ぶ。 果実を食用にし、生食やサラダ・ピクルス・砂糖漬けなどに用いる。味は薄く、酸味がある。水分が豊富な果物で、果肉は和ナシに似た食味がある。食物繊維を多く含むのも特徴。 == 食べ方 == === 熟するまで === 熟するに従って果実の色が緑色から黄色に変わるが、熟しすぎる前の少しだけ青みが残っている時期が、果物としての食べ頃。サラダに入れて食する...
 
11:11 PM
@tchrist peach?
 
No, unrelated.
Peach is a “stonefruit”, like cherries and plums and apricots. It is in the rose family.
 
There are some very interesting characters in that language
 
Stonefruit are the things with pits.
Starfruit are in the wood-sorrel family, the Oxalidaceae.
> Like the closely related bilimbi, there are two main types of carambola, the small sour (or tart) type and the larger sweet type. The sour varieties have a higher oxalic acid content than the sweet type.
Oh, and almonds are also stonefruit in the rose family, Rosaceae. That is why the center of a peach or nectarine has a little cyanide-laced bitter almond inside it.
Or some such thing. The amount of toxin contained in one peach pit is not dangerous.
@medica Well, that’s because you have kana and kanji mixed up.
 
I wouldn't know enough about that to begin to wonder about it.
 
Half the characters are also Chinese.
 
11:18 PM
Kana is a syllabic script (well, or two of them), while kanji is the logographic characters from Chinese.
 
@medica: lovely turn of phrase
 
@JasperLoy jinx
 
I like the kanji
 
@marantou The best way to fall asleep is to lie down and close your eyes.
 
and the kana
 
11:19 PM
> Kana (仮名?) are syllabic Japanese scripts, a part of the Japanese writing system contrasted with the logographic Chinese characters known in Japan as kanji (漢字). There are three kana scripts: modern cursive hiragana (ひらがな), modern angular katakana (カタカナ), and the old syllabic use of kanji known as man’yōgana (万葉仮名) that was ancestral to both. Hentaigana (変体仮名, "variant kana") are historical variants of modern standard hiragana.
In modern Japanese, hiragana and katakana have directly corresponding character sets (different sets of characters representing the same sounds).
 
@JasperLoy: if only that were true
 
@JasperLoy Certainly not doing either of those things makes it harder.
 
Kanji remind me of hieroglyphics; kana of coptic or demotic.
@marantou have you ever trien real chamomile?
 
@medica: yes
 
have you found that helpful at all?
 
11:22 PM
@medica that’s because hieroglyphics were also logographic (“ideograms”, an idiopathic coinage if ever there was one) “characters”.
 
the little flower being boiled
 
Meditation works best.
 
yes....soothing
don't have it at my disposal
 
@marantou You must have seen me in your dreams and woken up, lol.
 
I used to drink chamomile with milk and honey, and that would help me. Malatonin also helps.
 
11:24 PM
*Melatonin.
It isn’t that bad (mala) :).
 
it is what it is
 
Simple meditation exercises are, or should be, available to all.
 
thank you. I'm a terrible speller, except for prescriptions. Those I have to double-check.
 
@JasperLoy: yep...that must have been it. I told you:stop it!
 
@JohanLarsson That’s a trigger phrase for me.
It’s from Greek melas for black.
 
11:25 PM
trying everything
I know...I'm Greek
 
@medica I sure hope you only use a computer-generated script now.
@marantou I was telling medica, but ok cool.
 
Oh sorry
 
I do. But my hand written scripts were very legible.
 
@medica...My dad had that too...perfect prescription script :)
 
The only handwritten scripts I ever get are the Schedule II controlled substances, and even those are printed by a computer and then hand-signed.
 
11:27 PM
I once had a patient, when I gave her a script, she sighed in wonder. I asked her what the matter was, and she said, I can read it! Then she explained she was a pharmacist. :)
 
Everything else they just wire to the pharmacy.
 
yep.
 
Heh.
 
I can't imagine what they had to go through back in the day.
 
There were a lot of misfilled scripts.
Or mislabelled.
Patient compliance has not really improved much though.
 
11:29 PM
I once got a bottle of propranalol instead of progesterone. Gad, what a mistake.
 
I guess you know about the whole “what’s a teaspoon?” problem.
 
yes. I used to hand out plastic teaspoons that were exactly 5 cc.
 
Nowadays they give out liquids with little milliliter-labelled syringes.
Boy that word looks funny!
 
I have not eaten liquid medicine for a decade.
 
hmm! I haven't exactly had the need for liquid meds in ages.
:)
I like that word.
 
11:31 PM
Anti-tussives.
 
@tchrist. The fruit I mentioned isn't in star shape. It's round shape like apple, and pear, but smaller than pear. I ate it in Barcelona, and in Lagos in Portgal. It was first time for me to eat that fruit. I think the local guide told me the name of the fruit, that's something like "Tirimoya." I put one of them in the pocket of my pants, and found that my pants was soiled with the stuff that looked like and smelled like crap,
when my wife following me told 'Honey, you got something like crap on your buttocks" So I knew it's looks awful when squeezed, and goes bad quickly. Still I love the sweetness and deliciouness of that fruit.
 
@medica: according to my father's stories....this is a hell of a compliment
 
:)
Doctors really do have bad handwriting. :)
but not me.
 
@YoichiOishi Perhaps cherimoya.
 
My handwriting is like print.
 
11:32 PM
Neither does me dad:)
 
In a manner, that's a disadvantage as a doctor (or was) to have a legible script.
 
@medica Lidocaine solution for cancre sores.
The cherimoya, also spelled chirimoya, is the fruit of the species Annona cherimola, which generally is thought to be native to the Andes, although an alternative hypothesis proposes Central America as the origin of cherimoya because many of its wild relatives occur in this area. Today cherimoya is grown throughout South Asia, Central America, South America, Southern California, Portugal, southern Andalucia [La Axarquia] and South of Italy (Calabria). == Description == Cherimoya is a deciduous or semi-evergreen shrub or small tree reaching 7 m (22 feet) tall. The leaves are alternate, simple,...
 
Ah. yes.
 
@medica: I know....(by proxy)
 
:)
 
11:33 PM
@tchrist Isn't it chancre?
 
Who was the doctor in your family?
 
@JasperLoy Oh probably.
 
(Is?)
 
@JasperLoy Or canker.
 
@medica: who are you asking?
 
11:34 PM
@tchrist. Perhaps so. It's very different from star fruit in shape.
 
You! (sorry)
@marantou you. Is there a doctor in your family?
 
@YoichiOishi It is indeed. And it has only “recently” appeared in our shops over the last decade or two, and even then only in the high-end markets. Do you enjoy this fruit?
 
Yup
My father....a pensioner now
 
How is he enjoying his retirement?
 
still brilliant
He is not really enjoying it
 
11:36 PM
He can come here and chat with us.
 
Ah, that's why I asked. It's hard for doctors to retire.
 
it's good my brother gave him grandchildren
 
Some physicians keep up some sort of work.
 
:D a gift!
 
@marantou You don't have kids?
 
11:37 PM
Even after their jubilation. :)
 
No
 
Make one with oerkelens then, lol.
 
I would like to do more free work, but it's complicated because I'm part time, unbelavably.
 
My father (is)was an eye surgeon
 
@medica Do you know those recurring dreams that men get, the ones about the knock on the door with a nearly grown-up but previously unknown child of theirs saying “Hi Dad!” ?
 
11:38 PM
@tchrist. Yes. I love it very much. But its availability is limitted to high-end fruit shop.
 
My malpractice won't cover me anywhere but in the ER now.
@tchrist No, I hadn't heard of that one.
Oh, yes, it's a variant of the exam one.
 
@YoichiOishi Just like here then. It is hard to imagine for me a high-end fruit shop in Japan, given how they treat each piece of fruit so gently and specially already.
 
@medica:so you are a doctor
 
I have already planned what to do when I retire.
 
@marantou Thank you!
 
11:39 PM
obviously
 
@medica Yes, that’s right. The thing is, it only occurs in men. :)
 
@marantou yes, family medicine and emergency room
 
Are you Orkelens' wife?
 
@tchrist a regret of things not done?
 
@tchrist That's a very nice map. Or chart.
 
11:39 PM
@Cerberus She says she is his concubine
 
@Cerberus:yes
 
Same thing!
Welcome to the Incomprehensible Room!
 
My wife is cerberus, lol.
 
@JasperLoy, @Cerberus: Oh well
 
¡Basta con eso!
@JasperLoy You mean husband.
 
11:40 PM
ok
 
@tchrist I didn't know Old Corsican and Sardinian were so different from Tuscan, even more so than, say, northern French of Romanian.
@JasperLoy What are you on?
 
@tchrist: this is not the spanish forum
 
@Cerberus Just the usual meds.
 
@Cerberus I know nothing about Old Corsican, and only a little about Sardinian.
 
@marantou Mais, si, c'est précisément ça!
I only know there is a Sardinian Wikipaedia.
 
11:41 PM
@marantou ¿Desde cuándo?
 
@marantou Genau!
 
@Cerberus Whoda thunk those little tinned fish would have their own lingo, eh?
 
Tsk!
 
@CerberusŞ coño
 
@tchrist Racist.
 
11:43 PM
@marantou Eso pasa en las mejores familias.
 
@tchrist ?? Anchovies?
 
@marantou I don't think CerberusS is here,
 
@Cerberus LOL
 
@Cerb Did you see the old poem?
 
@tchrist Evvéro.
 
11:43 PM
I still dream of exams in subjects I have never studied, or in a different (incomprehensible) language, or I can't find the room where the exam is being given. These have decreased dramatically, though, over the past 2-3 years, have no idea why.
 
@tchrist Yes, it's nice.
 
I keep dreaming that I am flying without wings.
 
Maybe @Cerberus is
 
My dreams were of realizing I forgot to go to an exam.
 
Ding!
 
11:44 PM
@JasperLoy I like that dream.
 
Now it's just dreams of mowing the lawn or going to the dentist.
 
@Mitch a variation.
 
I also dream of sex with men, lol.
 
T
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@tchrist. I'll try to find out Cherymoya in fruit counter of nearest department in a couple of days to relish the off-linguistic-matter chat and my old memory of journey to southern Europe more than a dacade ago.
 
11:45 PM
@JasperLoy: what's wrong with that? can be fun
 
@YoichiOishi Where did you and your wife visit there?
 
@marantou Still it is very weird that I keep getting them
 
Maybe its a sign
 
@marantou Yes: Aqueerius.
 
@marantou Nah, I know myself very well
 
11:47 PM
@JasperLoy: you know what you know
 
there was a good xkcd strip about the exam dream, can't find it now
 
I think xkcd also expands in this chat.
 
Oh yeah.....saw that
 
@JasperLoy I can't find the one I want. He ends by telling us we will still be having this dream in 30 years, and it's so true.
 
@medica: Oh yes
 
11:50 PM
close. I should have said decades.
 
I still have dreams of having to get in t a classroom an teach whilst having a math exam
 
Haha aww.
 
ugh. I hate those dreams.
 
@marantou Was school difficult for you?
 
they are so hard to shake off once you awaken.
 
11:51 PM
I don't remember dreams anymore.
 
I having recurring missing-the-flight dreams.
 
I have them, I just don't remember them.
 
That's odd.
 
Are you sure?
Knowledge does not exist without memory.
 
I wake up from a dream .... and then it's gone.
 
You may not have had that dread.
 
you can train yourself to remember them, you know. Kindof.
 
Wow Kit and corn came at the same time
 
school subjectwise, as a student was easy.....teaching teenagers with difficult backgrounds(VMBO for @Cerberous) was noy
 
@JasperLoy TMI
 
OMG
 
not
 
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Was ist lost, meine leibchen?
Oh.
Ha.
 
sounds hard, teenagers
 
@marantou Ah OK. So it is interesting that even people who easily passed their exams still have those dreams.
 
11:53 PM
> Why do memories of vivid dreams disappear soon after waking up?
—Gil Greengross, via e-mail

Ernest Hartmann, professor of psychiatry at Tufts University School of Medicine and director of the Sleep Disorders Center at Newton-Wellesley Hospital, explains:

WE FORGET almost all dreams soon after waking up. Our forgetfulness is generally attributed to neurochemical conditions in the brain that occur during REM sleep, a phase of sleep characterized by rapid eye movements and dreaming. But that may not be the whole story.
 
@marantou Teenagers with difficult backgrounds: that is about half the population, VMBO!
 
Check out my star, @KitFox.
 
@Cerberous: it's not about exams per se...it's about expectations
 
@Cerberus Is a vimbo a male bimbo?
 
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 I did. Cute and disturbing all at once.
Did you read my story?
 
11:55 PM
@KitFox :\
 
@Cerberous: They were my favourite....that's probably why
 
@tchrist hmm. then norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors should allow people to remember their dreams more.
 
@marantou Right. I remember getting that dream when it was really about something in university.
 
I was looking for trouble
 
@KitFox I dug it.
 
11:55 PM
@marantou Not cerberous
 
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Fennecs are wild animals. Shouldn't really be crated.
Also cute though.
 
@medica That would follow.
 
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Did you read Matty's?
 
@KitFox Not yet.
 
@marantou You keep misspelling my name! Why don't you type @Ce and then tab to fill out my name?
 
11:56 PM
I have heard complaints of vivid dreams, but not the other.
 
@KitFox If he is Matty, then you are Kitty.
 
I'm not sure I think any animal should be crated.
 
@tchrist I'm afraid het Voorbereidend Middelbaar Beroepsonderwijs includes both male and female bimbi.
 
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Maybe man should not keep pets.
 
11:56 PM
@Cerberus: I'm really sorry
 
@JasperLoy Maybe.
 
What about woman?
 
@medica Are NRIs more effective than CNSes for ADHD treatment?
 
@marantou No need to apologize. But I might overlook your line and not answer hehe.
 
yes
 
11:57 PM
Interesting.
 
@Cerberus: :)
 
amphetemines
 
Vivid dreaming was a symptom of my depression.
 
There are suddenly so many women in this chat.
 
it might have been your medication?
 
11:58 PM
@marantou Oh, and, if you want to reply to a specific line, you can also hover over the line and press the tiny grey arrow on the right side of the line.
 
@medica Those are a CNS, so boost all neurotransmitters but do not change the reuptake rate.
 
@JasperLoy that's a nice change
 
@JasperLoy Overwhelmed?
 
@ KitFox: might have been of mine but noone diagnosed me
 
@Cerberus Yes, but there is no Maria, lol.
 
11:58 PM
Or so I dimly feign to understand things.
 
No space in between!
 
@Cerberus:Thanks
 
@JasperLoy They will come.
@marantou Yay!
 
@Cerberus You know who I was referring to yesterday right?
 
@JasperLoy Chaval, I thought maría was punishable by death in your country.
 
11:59 PM
@JasperLoy:really? Why?
 
@tchrist Close, but not exactly.
 

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