English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

user116848

19:00

Yeah we do.

KitFox

Yeah, it's that thing you scrub your back with to get all the crud off.

Johan Larsson

before the define?

KitFox

Well, it helps when you are described as broody and aloof.

Johan Larsson

Scala looks nice

Cerberus

What a stupid question.

KitFox

19:02

So, you're #2?

terdon

@Cerberus What a stupid test. I mean come on, on a test about "emotional intelligence" any idiot can find the answer that will maximize your score.

user116848

I am a mixture of all four of them

Cerberus

I carefully research all my options. Why can't I pick that choice??

Johan Larsson

@Cerberus Poor alternatives imo

terdon

That has no bearing on your ability to actually apply the answer in real life.

Cerberus

19:03

@terdon Yeah...I guess you have to be honest.

@JohanLarsson Very.

terdon

Again, it always depends. I've done all 4 at different times in my life.

Robusto

@terdon The masters of emotional intelligence don't need to take such a test.

Matt Эллен

I run a double blind experiment and then ask 3 other respected teams to replicate my method

c c

fastidious < obsessive < OCD < disorganized schizophrenia < paranoid schizophrenia

is it correct?

KitFox

No.

Cerberus

19:04

@terdon Of course. Usually a combination. But the element "carefully search your options" is strangely absent.

@Robusto Fair enough!

user116848

Well, I get paranoia attacks every once a while.

Robusto

Emotional intelligence is what used to be called wisdom.

Cerberus

This one makes me go awww.

For the bottom two options.

user116848

#2

KitFox

#4

Robusto

19:06

@Cerberus There should be a fifth entry: "What's the use? Friends will only stab you in the back."

user116848

@KitFox #4 haha

KitFox

@Arrowfar It's true. I consistently fail to understand how people are supposed to interact.

Cerberus

@Robusto Nice.

user116848

@Robusto All your friends stab you in the back?

Robusto

Come as you are, as you were,
As I want you to be
As a friend, as a friend,
As an old enemy.

user116848

19:08

@KitFox But you are a good listener and all.

Cerberus

Umm all of the above, as anyone would?

KitFox

None of the above.

Johan Larsson

@Robusto he died

Robusto

@Arrowfar Just assume that when you don't understand something I say it's because I'm making a joke that requires skill at English to understand.

@JohanLarsson Died is too passive a term for it.

KitFox

@Arrowfar Listening and understanding don't seem to be valued traits.

user116848

19:09

@Robusto I am not that dumb. And not very bad at English either.

Cerberus

Ugh, no score. Apparently, it required some external Javascript to load that I had blocked.

Alraxite

Yay! All that for nothing.

Cerberus

shrugs

What does that reaction say about my EQ??

KitFox

@Arrowfar There is some kind of conferring of social status that I don't get, that is based on irrational and abstract things that I can never hope to understand.

user116848

@KitFox They aren't? I guess they are.

Johan Larsson

19:10

@Arrowfar or just ask Rob to explain it he has the patience of an angel

Cerberus

Tsk.

user116848

@JohanLarsson haha

terdon

@Cerberus Not much, but it might say something about your IQ. :P

Robusto

@Arrowfar Well, then I shouldn't have to explain everything to you. Problem solved.

Johan Larsson

Is 'the patience of an angel' a thing in English? En ängels tålamod

user116848

19:10

@Robusto Fine then.

KitFox

@JohanLarsson It's understandable. Not sure it's an expression though.

Patience of a saint, more likely.

Johan Larsson

ok ty

Robusto

@JohanLarsson I have the patience of a fruit fly.

KitFox

Sure thing.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

tchrist

@KitFox That is so wicked, considering the slang meaning of fruit fly.

Robusto

19:12

If you doubt me, check out the first line in my profile.

user116848

@KitFox Yeah! social status is irrational.

Johan Larsson

@Robusto I have seen evidence of the contrary|other thing.

KitFox

@tchrist hee hee.

looks angelic

Cerberus

@terdon Tsss.

terdon

:)

Robusto

19:14

@JohanLarsson Pfft, impatience is Wall's primary virtue, don't forget.

@Cerberus 5. Delighted, because it gives me the opportunity to tell the boss to take his job and shove it.

Cerberus

Ah, if only one were in that position!

Besides, why hasn't one done so earlier, then?

Robusto

I've been in that position. Twice in the past year, in fact.

Johan Larsson

I picked angry

Robusto

It takes a while to determine that a job isn't going to work out. Usually three or four months.

user116848

@KitFox You also seem like a friendly person. So what's all that 'social status' thingy?

Cerberus

19:20

Fair enough.

Robusto

Sometimes they make it easy, for example by telling you the first day that it's their policy to have the opening braces of a function go on the next line after the signature.

KitFox

@Arrowfar Friendly is all in the way you perceive me. It pleases me that you think so.

user116848

Yeah sure.

Alraxite

So when a mod cancels a star, can the starrer star it back?

KitFox

Dunno. Shall we see?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

19:21

you can cancel my star on rob's msg

Robusto

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Fine.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

That's better

Alraxite

I was just going to say

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 What didn't work?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

It didn't capture the notification

Alraxite

19:23

Ah.

Cerberus

Ah.

Robusto

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 And this is important because . . . ?

Cerberus

You don't draw a rectangle when you upload a partial screenshot?

KitFox

Attention to detail.

Alraxite

Now I wonder if you've lost one of your stars for the day.

Shall we see?

Cerberus

19:24

I have switched to MyImgur, which works well, fast and reliable.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus I did draw a rectangle. But it didn't grab the right part of the screen.

Cerberus

Oh, how odd.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I had to do a full screenshot

Cerberus

Which programme?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Fireshot

@Robusto We wanted to see what happens if you re-star a cancelled star

Cerberus

19:25

Oh, it only works in Firefox?

MyImgur works everywhere...

Robusto

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 So . . . you're just rattling my cage then.

Cerberus

Poor Rob and his star!

Alraxite

It was for science.

KitFox

FOR SCIENCE!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto Nothing about this was directed to you. In fact I wasn't addressing you at all. It just so happened that I had a new star that was a good candidate for this test.

Robusto

19:32

I am pretending to be ruffled. Take no notice.

Cerberus

Such pretension.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I'll pretend not to notice.

Robusto

Which is all that I asked.

KitFox

I could swear I just felt a summer breeze. Hmm.

Cerberus

> In his book Protecting the Gift, child-safety expert Gavin De Becker pointed out that compared to a stranger kidnapping, “a child is vastly more likely to have a heart attack, and child heart attacks are so rare that most parents (correctly) never even consider the risk.”

For overly worries parents.

Robusto

19:37

@Cerberus Most of the child kidnappings are by spouses or other family members in custody battles.

Cerberus

Exactly.

news.discovery.com/human/psychology/…

Robusto

Still, having been a parent of small children, I have to say that the risk, while small, is out of all proportion to the consequences in the parent's mind. You may never fully understand how the sum total of a parent's biological necessity is directed toward keeping the child safe.

Put it another way, a young woman (not a mother) once asked me this what-if question: "If your wife had to choose between saving you or saving your child, who would she choose?" And for me the answer was simple: "She would choose the child in that case. And so would I."

KitFox

Yeah, no-brainer.

Cerberus

@Robusto Even so, some parents are more level-headed than others.

@Robusto I am not surprised.

Robusto

@Cerberus I don't know if level-headed is the term.

Cerberus

19:44

Well...

Call it what you will.

Robusto

Foolish? Reckless? Uncaring? Unfeeling? Unseemly?

Whole lotta uns.

Cerberus

Parents vary between "I let met 6yo wander the streets at midnight unsupervised" and WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE (sound of a helicopter at close range).

Robusto

If you had a jar that contained thousands of jellybeans (in metric: jelly babies), and you knew one of them was poisoned, how would you feel about sampling the candy?

Cerberus

As usual, the middle ground is best.

@Robusto Depends on what it would cost me and the jelly bean if I forewent it. And I think the chance of your child's being kidnapped by a stranger, for normal parents, is very much lower than 1/1000.

Robusto

@Cerberus The point is, the risk is very slight, but the consequences of a bad outcome are so severe you wouldn't take the risk.

Cerberus

19:47

Depends on the cost of not taking the risk.

Robusto

@Cerberus Call it 100,000 then. Doesn't matter.

Cerberus

If I got €1000, I would eat a jelly bean.

Robusto

@Cerberus So you would risk your life for €1000?

Cerberus

We all do so every day.

Robusto

I might too. But I would not risk my child's life.

Cerberus

19:49

If you stay inside, less chance of being hit by a meteor.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus actually.....

Robusto

With a meteor it doesn't matter.

KitFox

@Cerberus I don't think that's true.

Cerberus

If you never take your child places by car, you actually protect it from a far greater chance of dying.

@Robusto It matters if it's a small one.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

A meteor will never hit you. Anything that hits you must, by definition, be a meteorite.

Robusto

19:49

@Cerberus Sophistry.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 What if you leave your house to go into space?

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I thought the name of the stone was meteorite, the moving object a meteor?

@Robusto Why?

Robusto

You know why.

Cerberus

No?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus I'll admit the possibility of error while angrily claiming that you're ruining the joke.

Cerberus

Of course I would protect my child from a chance of 1 in 100,000 of being kidnapped if the cost were, say, 5 minutes of my time.

Robusto

19:51

@Cerberus How about six minutes?

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I take that as a "I looked it up on Wikipaedia and you were right, but I don't want to say so in public".

@Robusto Sure, six.

Robusto

How about ten?

Cerberus

But not ten hours a week.

Robusto

How about an hour?

Cerberus

An hour in a lifetime? Sure.

An hour a week, I don't know.

Robusto

19:52

Well, in the unlikely event that you ever become a parent, let me know if your attitude changes.

Cerberus

Not that again.

I have two lesbian friends who are looking right now.

If I offered, there's a 50/50 chance they would accept.

KitFox

Looking at what?

Cerberus

They have already asked the other girl's brother.

Robusto

@Cerberus Being a sperm donor is not the same thing as being a parent.

Cerberus

Looking to conceive a child.

Matt Эллен

19:53

He's in Netherlands, his altitude will never change

Cerberus

@Robusto Co-parent.

Robusto

@Cerberus Caregiver?

KitFox

@Cerberus They would let you co-parent?

Cerberus

@MattЭллен Not true! If I jump, I can be as high as 1m!

Robusto

@Cerberus If you smoke hashish you can be even higher than that!

Cerberus

19:55

@KitFox We'd have to talk about it. But I don't want to, so we haven't.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus that's pretty high, for a low lander

Cerberus

@Robusto Do I look like a tourist, hmm?

@MattЭллен Thanks!!

KitFox

@Cerberus Oh, then not co-parent. Just sperm donor.

Cerberus

I am ignoring your ridiculous remark.

Matt Эллен

If I give my hair, I could be a perm donor

Cerberus

19:56

I didn't know you had a perm...

Robusto

@MattЭллен If you give some Italian cheese, you could be a parm donor.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus I don't, but if I was paid...

Cerberus

Hah.

You do anything?

Matt Эллен

not anything... but I could get a perm

I'd even shave off my beard for £100,000

Robusto

@MattЭллен I'd shave off your beard for considerably less.

Matt Эллен

19:59

@Robusto until I woke up. then it would be considerably more >:|

Robusto

I'd be long gone.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus I didn't look it up.

Matt Эллен

:D

I'll have to install CCTV for my beard

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yeah, yeah.

Meteorite

A meteorite is a solid piece of debris, from such sources as asteroids or comets, that originates in outer space and survives its impact with the Earth's surface. It is called a meteoroid before its impact. A meteorite's size can range from small to extremely large. When a meteoroid enters the atmosphere, friction, pressure, and chemical interactions with the atmospheric gases cause it to heat up and radiate that energy, thus forming a fireball, also known as a meteor or shooting/falling star. A bolide is either an extraterrestrial body that collides with the Earth, or an exceptionally...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@MattЭллен The beardopticon

> Meteorite: a meteor that survives its passage through the earth's atmosphere such that part of it strikes the ground. More than 90 percent of meteorites are of rock, while the remainder consist wholly or partly of iron and nickel.

Cerberus

20:02

> It is called a meteoroid before its impact.

Matt Эллен

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 yes! and I'll broadcast it's slow growth to the masses. it'll be the most popular show on Earth!

KitFox

Excellent plan.

Cerberus

We usually call a meteoroid a meteor in daily speech.

KitFox

So ... there's a new account form on our website, and if you don't want to fill it out online, you can fill out a form to have the form faxed to you.

Heavens to mergatroid.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox Please tell me it's implemented by some guy in a room, eating cheetos all day, until he gets one of these requests, at which point he dials the phone by hand, then screeches into the mouthpiece in perfect imitation of a fax modem.

KitFox

20:05

It may well be.

I think it is actually emailed to the customer service people.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

It's the only thing he's good at.

KitFox

Who probably print it out to assign to someone.

Except that it never gets used.

Matt Эллен

our expenses system won't accept digital receipts, so you have to print them out and send them by post. they are then scanned into the system. They will accept hand written receipts.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Back in the 90s, he used to impress the young businesswomen at parties, but now he's just a fat old man with orange fingers and a youtube channel.

Matt Эллен

my hero!

KitFox

20:08

makes the modem handshake sound

That was how I found sexual partners when I was in my twenties.

It's like playing Marco Polo.

Matt Эллен

:D

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

It's so frustrating when you hear an answering whistle but it's a different baud rate.

KitFox

Yeah, really.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

But what's worse is when you accidentally trigger software-flow-control and the other person just freezes up.

Matt Эллен

The sky is pink

KitFox

20:13

giggles

I never did get the hang of echo cancellation.

medica

@KitFox @MattЭллен have a question for you.

There were some close votes on a question that are now gone. How does that happen?

KitFox

They expire after awhile. Or it could close and be re-opened.

medica

can you explain awhile

KitFox

It means after a certain duration of time has passed.

medica

is 12 hours a while?

KitFox

20:16

I don't know. I would tend to doubt it.

medica

is a day a while?

KitFox

Which question are you asking about?

Matt Эллен

17

Q: Why do close votes expire?

I nominated this question to be closed as a dup. I see that two other people upvoted my comment, so they might have voted to close it as well. Now, we didn't gather enough votes, and all close votes expired ... and I can't re-vote to close. What is the motivation behind expiring close votes .....

in there it says

> If the question has more than 100 views, close votes expire at a rate of one every 4 days.

medica

then why did the close votes on Yoichi Oishi's question about a typo disappear?

KitFox

Do you have a link to the question?

medica

20:17

2

Q: Why is the word “so” in the line, “To a ill-informed person I would have so answer yes,” shown in Italic to stress the word?

I am interested in the word, “so” in the following sentence in Jeffery Archer’s novel, “The Prodigal Daughter.” Florentina Kane who is the chairman of an international hotel empire she succeeded from her father, and stood as a candidate for the Congresswoman for Illinoi State in late 1960s is a...

meaning grammar part-of-speech

KitFox

It was closed and then re-opened.

medica

How does one get that information?

I checked the closed review queue and there were no closed votes recorded

KitFox

Mods can review the history.

medica

including mine, but I didn't vote through the queue

how can a non-mod get that history?

cuz I never saw it closed, nor reopened

KitFox

You can't.

medica

20:21

and frankly, it wasn't around long enough to allow for all that to happen without even a single vote recorded to reopen

Matt Эллен

if you click the edited 22 hours ago link and scroll down, it should say who reopened it

I think that information's there for non-mods

KitFox

Ah yes, the edit history would have that information.

medica

Thank you, Matt

Matt Эллен

no probs

KitFox

Well, can regular users see it?

medica

20:22

Now, question: what does it take to reopen a question?

Matt Эллен

1 mod vote or 5 regular user votes

medica

how many votes? I thought it was 5v

ah, ok. So, as a Moderator, Y.O. could override the community nd reopen his own closed question?

Matt Эллен

yes.

user116848

@medica Hello!

medica

@Arrowfar hi!

@MattЭллен Does that not have the appearance of impropriety?

KitFox

20:25

Are we on to the Socratic method?

Matt Эллен

It could do. I don't want to comment on another mod's actions. it would be better to hear his reasoning (admittedly he's not hear right now) before I say anything

medica

@KitFox answering a question with a question is only evasive

Cerberus

Until it was determined to be a typo, I thought it was an affected voice of an emphatic young person saying, "I would have so answer(ed) yes.", which is a viable possibility to me who is not familiar with the background of the character speaking the line. I think the downvote is patently unfair in this case. — Kristina Lopez yesterday

This is clearly the best answer.

KitFox

@medica Disguising an opinion with a leading question is disingenuous.

medica

there were 5 close votes, I don't care how many down votes there were @Cerberus

Cerberus

20:26

What?

medica

OK, let me not disguise it: It seems mighty odd that a mod can unclose a bad question

@Cerberus I agreed with Kristina

read everything before you quote to me

I was challenged to close vote by Andrew, so I did.

and glory be, there was a miracle

the mod unclosed his own question

Grace Note

@medica Putting aside instances of closure and reopening, the actual time-based expiration is 4 days starting from the later time point twixt "The last time someone cast a vote to close/reopen" and "The question hit 100 views".

medica

?

Cerberus

@medica Was not quoting to you.

Just in general.

medica

we are not talking of time, here, we have about 24 hours alone

Cerberus

20:29

But now I think I agree with Andrew: I would have so answered clashes with the register of the rest of the text.

Grace Note

I'm just giving an answer for the general case since it came up and I figured we'd want to at least know the specifics there just for general knowledge.

KitFox

Matt posted a handy link to the Meta post.

medica

it's funny how you just happened to be in the neighborhood...@GraceNote

@KitFox ? a handy link to what in what way?

Grace Note

@medica Basically before I said the stuff I did, well before it in fact, Matt had already explained what I did and provided a meta link.

KitFox

14 mins ago, by Matt Эллен

17

Q: Why do close votes expire?

I nominated this question to be closed as a dup. I see that two other people upvoted my comment, so they might have voted to close it as well. Now, we didn't gather enough votes, and all close votes expired ... and I can't re-vote to close. What is the motivation behind expiring close votes .....

discussion vote-to-close exact-duplicates

medica

20:31

My question remains: a question was closed. It was reopened by a mod with only one reopen vote; the mod whose question it was which got closed.

We're not talking about that, @KitFox

Grace Note

Yeah, I'm looking into the situation now.

KitFox

@medica Well, I was and you asked.

medica

we're talking about how or why Yoichi reopened his own closed question.

well, I'm not.

Cerberus

I think it's a fairly interesting question. I would have voted to reopen it.

medica

I'm talking about Yoishi

Grace Note

20:32

@medica Don't poke at her for it, it's my fault for mixing up my transcript and confusing Matt Ellen's link for being the same onebox as you posted and so I glossed over him mentioning something and so I endeavored to clarify things before getting into the specifics of the particular case we're discussing here on Yoichi's question.

medica

It's a tyop!!!

Cerberus

So what?

It is an interesting typo.

medica

oh, please

Cerberus

Because there are two options.

medica

we always reopen interesting typo questions, don't we?

Cerberus

20:33

Are you an enthusiast, or what?

medica

@GraceNote - since Kit's comments weren't directed at you, I thought she was addressing her chat comments to me, sorry

@Cerberus meaning what?

Cerberus

shrugs

medica

shrugs as well

Grace Note

There's no meta discussion about this question, aye? All contents and dispute regarding its validity is just what I find on the comments (plus the current chat exchange), correct?

medica

I presume so, I certainly didn't post a question on meta, and haven't looked at meta today.

Going straight to meta has never been my thing.

@GraceNote - again, this is my only question: A mod asked a question which was based on a typo. Andrew Leach invited me to close vote the question, which I thought was a good suggestion, so I did.

@GraceNote I saw that 4 other people agreed with me.

KitFox

20:38

@medica I still don't see a question there.

medica

@GraceNote and I never actually saw it closed.

@KitFox If you're talking to grace, please direct your comments to her. If not, then to me, because I don't want to be interrupted while I'm talking to Grace

Grace Note

It was closed for a period spanning to almost 6 hours, though it's likely enough that you weren't present at the time it was closed.

medica

@GraceNote So, on checking, I found it was reopened, which is a very unusual thing to happen to a closed question when it was based on a typo.

Looking into it today, I see the community was bypassed and Yoichi Oishi reopened his own closed question - a typo.

I think that's bypassing the community and an abuse of moderator privilige

So, my question:

Is this a normal privilige accorded moderators, that they can reopen their own closed questions?

KitFox

Yes.

Mods can reopen any question, including their own.

c c

!!wiki dopamine

Jarvis the Bot

20:42

Dopamine

Dopamine (contracted from 3,4-dihydroxyphenethylamine) is a hormone and neurotransmitter of the catecholamine and phenethylamine families that plays a number of important roles in the human brain and body. Its name derives from its chemical structure: it is an amine that is formed by removing a carboxyl group from a molecule of L-DOPA. In the brain, dopamine functions as a neurotransmitter—a chemical released by nerve cells to send signals to other nerve cells. The brain includes several distinct dopamine systems, one of which plays a major role in reward-motivated behavior. Most typ...

medica

How often has this been done before?@KitFox @GraceNote

Grace Note

All moderators possess the ability to close and reopen a question with a single "vote", which is less of a "vote" and more of a "decision", meant to be provided in accordance with their understanding of community consensus and pattern and not on personal intent.

This is not restricted in any fashion with regards to who authors posts, but it is usually good practice not to touch one's own posts unless it seems straightforward enough or in following public discourse of the matter.

Yes, it has been done before. But the important thing is to identify the usage of the power with respect to the motive behind its utility, in order to ascertain whether or not it is an abuse of the power.

medica

@GraceNote So, a decision to reopen their own question, even if it is a bad one which on this site usually remains closed - *a typo! - can be reopened by a mod who asked that bad question... and this is standard procedure? It happens all the time?

Well, he's here.

Grace Note

That's a bit of a... way to put it at once so let me break that down.

KitFox

Pretty sure no one said anything about frequency.

medica

20:45

@YoichiOishi - why did you feel tht a question based on a typo was a good question to reopen without community support?

Grace Note

"Moderators can make a decision to reopen their own question. This is a thing that happens, generally when appropriate. I would assume that there would be a strong backing behind any decision if it appears against community norms."

medica

@YoichiOishi - why didn't you let the community reopen it for you instead of using your moderator priviliges to reopen it?

@GraceNote "Moderators can make a decision to reopen their own question. This is a thing that happens, generally when appropriate. I would assume that there would be a strong backing behind any decision if it appears against community norms." reopening a typo is not a norm here on ELU.

Grace Note

Hence against community norms.

medica

That is the very thing I'm challenging: it's appropriateness.

@YoichiOishi - you were the mod who did this. Any comment?

@YoichiOishi - I would appreciate hearing your perspective.

Grace Note

Right, and I am fine with challenging the appropriateness, but conflating the appropriateness of this specific incident with the general ability of moderators to take unilateral action is a bit... overstepping in the label.

medica

20:49

@YoichiOishi - have you ever voted to reopen a question closed on the basis of being a typo before?

I'm giving @YoichiOishi a chance to catch up.

@GraceNote I don't want to ignore you, but I have asked @YoichiOishi a question and want to give him time to answer.

Grace Note

I'm aware. I'd like to hear Yoichi's side as well, since that is what is under inquiry here.

medica

@YoichiOishi - are you here?

@YoichiOishi - your avatar is here. Dropped in a few minutes ago. Will you please acknowledge that you are actually here?

Hmm... @GraceNote?

Grace Note

Yes'm?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@medica more pings are probably not going to help.

Alraxite

Yoichi Oishi has once before said that he is not a terribly fast typist. Give him time.

medica

20:55

fair enough.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I thought he might have dropped in and was looking elsewhere on the site.

hence the pings.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

seems like a lot of pings, that's all

Yoichi Oishi

KIt Fox. Yoichi Oishi is my real name. Yoichi is my first name. But we Japanese put the family name first then given name next. So I spell 大石　陽一 in Kanji. 陽一. 陽 is a part of 太陽、the great Sun. 一 means 'one' given to the eldest son. The Popular Japanese first names -Ichiro, jirou, saburou、shirou (一郎、次郎、三郎、四郎、五郎） mean the first, second, third, forth, fifth son. Before the WWII, Japanese family was prolific.

So our grandfathers and fathers might have saved the labor of conceiving names of their (grand) children.

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