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Alraxite

00:00

@skullpatrol Huh?

Um-

Uhh.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Who was it who said earlier that they use the starboard for bookmarks?

Alraxite

Damn it!

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

To them I say chat.stackexchange.com/faq#permalink

Alraxite

It probably makes sense to someone, okay?

skullpatrol

not to me

silence is silence

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

00:01

!!afk

Jarvis the Bot

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Why are you leaving me!?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@JarvistheBot I got my reasons, babe.

Cerberus

@Robusto You're living it, so this is what it's like!

Alraxite

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 That is an excellent idea.

Cerberus

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Aww yay, thanks for remembering!

skullpatrol

00:02

women have a great verbal advantage over men that way

Cerberus

Do they?

skullpatrol

we have to bit the bullet and shut up

take the pain

Cerberus

And women don't?

skullpatrol

nah

!!youtube express yourself

Jarvis the Bot

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Cerberus

00:04

Lovely.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Cerberus :)

Jarvis the Bot

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Where were you!?

skullpatrol

not that

!!youtube madonna express yourself

Jarvis the Bot

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medica

29 mins ago, by Mitch

@medica: it means that Plato may have been smart but he's not necessarily right about everything.

skullpatrol

00:05

that^^

make HIM express himself

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

!!afk fo reals

Jarvis the Bot

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Can you pick up some milk on your way back?

Cerberus

@JarvistheBot Yay kitty!

medica

@Mitch - I know the implication, but isn't that true for every person who has ever had a thought?

@Mitch - it doesn't mean it's not a non-sequitur.

user116848

@medica How did you copy paste the Mitch's exact statement with timing?

medica

00:09

35 secs ago, by Arrowfar

@medica How did you copy paste the Mitch's exact statement with timing?

user116848

I can't seem to figure it out

medica

:-)

user116848

Please tell

user116848

How do I do it?

skullpatrol

29 secs ago, by Arrowfar

Please tell

:-)

user116848

00:10

Funny haha

user116848

But I need to know how

skullpatrol

why?

medica

@skullpatrol hehe

user116848

So I can do it too if I want to

user116848

Nothing wrong with it right?

user116848

00:11

:)

skullpatrol

That, my friend, is the reason I will not say.

user116848

You guys are messing with me know :)

medica

@skullpatrol hehehe

skullpatrol

@medica hahaha

user116848

@medica You?

user116848

00:12

haha

user116848

Very funny

medica

um... what if I tell you, will you pepper chat with quotes?

user116848

What do you mean?

skullpatrol

20 secs ago, by medica

um... what if I tell you, will you pepper chat with quotes?

user116848

What quotes?

medica

00:13

That.

user116848

:)

user116848

So why you guys are reluctant to tell me? Please give a solid reason

user116848

:)

medica

@Arrowfar you didn't answer the question, which is a solid reason.

skullpatrol

3 mins ago, by skullpatrol

That, my friend, is the reason I will not say.

user116848

00:15

@medica Yes I will pepper it occasionally :p

user116848

Any other thing you guys want to ask me?

medica

@Arrowfar then I would rather someone else tell you how to do it! :-)

user116848

@medica You mean I will be disturbing people here?

Cerberus

@Arrowfar Hover over a line. You will see a brown square pop up at the left of the line, with a small white arrow. Right-click that square, and pick "copy link location".

Then paste that into a new line.

skullpatrol

Ask the owner of the room @Robusto if you can

medica

00:17

@skullpatrol - so how are the new mods doing? I see Matt is jumping in with both feet. Has Andrew been by?

Cerberus

He has.

skullpatrol

yep

medica

I saw he closed a question. Yay!!!

Mahnax

@Arrowfar Did you figure it out? Additionally, you can click the brown square, then copy the "permalink" link address.

user116848

@Cerberus Thanks man. You rock :D

Cerberus

00:19

Yay!

user116848

@Mahnax Thanks. medica and Skull are jerks

medica

I guess it shows that we really could use more mods.

@Arrowfar I am, i dunno about skull.

user116848

haha

user116848

not funny btw

medica

@Mahnax - are you finished with all your exams yet?

skullpatrol

00:21

whatever pal, QUACK QUACK

Mahnax

@medica Yep, finished today.

medica

@Mahnax Yay!!! at last! You are a free man!

@Mahnax no more studying (except languages) this summer?

Mahnax

@medica Exactement!

tchrist

@medica That’s probably stretching things a bit. No man is free; some are just more dear than others.

medica

Ç'est extrordinaire!

Mahnax

00:23

@tchrist Oh hush, Socrates :)

skullpatrol

Mahnax

How are you doing today, @tchrist?

tchrist

I’m fine. It’s hot outside.

Cerberus

It works!

@tchrist ??

user116848

Yeah it does

medica

00:24

@ I read an article on quebecois last night, and realized I had some very, very localized and etrange wodrs in my language.

Mahnax

@tchrist Good good. Enjoy it.

Cerberus

I cannot believe what I hear.

Mahnax

@medica An example?

Cerberus

You just need to wear different clothes.

Mahnax

Bleuet for blueberry?

As opposed to myrtille?

medica

00:25

Is bleuets another one? :-0

tchrist

Cyanococcus.

Which isn’t as bad as it sounds.

Mahnax

@medica People in France call them myrtilles.

medica

@tchrist good one!

@Mahnax I said to terdon: Je m'en vais

tchrist

> Blueberries are perennial flowering plants with indigo-colored berries from the section Cyanococcus within the genus Vaccinium (a genus that also includes cranberries and bilberries). Species in the section Cyanococcus are the most common[1] fruits sold as "blueberries" and are native to North America (commercially cultivated highbush blueberries were not introduced into Europe until the 1930s).[2]

Blueberries are usually erect. Prostrate shrubs can vary in size from 10 centimeters (3.9 in) to 4 meters (13 ft) in height. In the commercial production of blueberries, the smaller species ar…

Mahnax

@medica m'en?

Ah ouais.

medica

00:27

ouais

Mahnax

What did you mean by "je m'en vais"?

medica

mais je ne suis pas sur que ç'est correcte

I'm going now

tchrist

> Le bleuet (en québécois1) ou bluet (en français)2 est une baie qui pousse sur des arbustes du genre Vaccinium originaires d'Amérique du Nord où on les trouve principalement. Cette baie est proche de celle de la Myrtille commune (Vaccinium myrtillus), mais possède toutefois des caractéristiques différentes comme sa coloration, son goût légèrement moins sucré et des propriétés légèrement spécifiques3. Le bleuet sauvage est de très petite taille tandis que le bleuet cultivé est de plus grande taille.

Mahnax

@medica Huh.

I would just say je/j'y vais ou peut-être je vais maintenant.

tchrist

@Mahnax She’s on her way outta here.

medica

00:28

So, now I wonder how much of my French is useful outside of Quebec.

Mahnax

@tchrist Just wanted to make sure there wasn't some weird localized quebecois stuff I wasn't picking up on :)

medica

@tchrist right.

@tchrist is that bad French?

Mahnax

@medica I think I've seen it used before.

terdon

@Mahnax Mean two different things.

tchrist

@medica I have no idea. It’s what I was taught. Or On s’en va or something. On y va is something else.

medica

00:30

@terdon Hey! Hi!

Mahnax

@terdon What, je and j'y? I know.

terdon

j'y vais is more like I'm going while je m'en vais is more like I'm leaving_.

Mahnax

Or do you mean my sentence in general vs. je m'en vais?

terdon

@medica Hey :)

medica

On s’en va is used for plural

Mahnax

00:30

Oh, yeah. I would only use j'y if I had previously specified a place to which I was going.

medica

I was just talking about talking with you.

tchrist

Just as ES Me voy = I’m leaving.

Mahnax

But I'm not a native speaker of French. I don't understand lots of little nuances yet.

Cerberus

Ah, I was too late.

tchrist

On va partir.

medica

00:31

@Mahnax well, I only really know Quebecois.

Cerberus

I think Dutch mirrors the French: ik ga ervandoor.

medica

I grew up thinking it was a valid language outside of Quebec.

tchrist

@medica Kaybeckers can’t be trusted in these matters, being Frenchier than the French, which is already bad enough.

medica

"je vais maintenant" is longer, and doesn't connote "I'm leaving" but I'm now going..."

Cerberus

@terdon This sounds right.

medica

00:33

@tchrist Frenchier than the French?

tchrist

You can use sortir.

medica

That sounds horrible!

tchrist

Of course it does: it’s Frenchy.

Mitch

@medica Yes, it's pretty banal.

Mahnax

@medica Right, right. I know. I didn't say what I meant.

Mitch

00:34

@medica Yes, I agree it's not necessary the case, but in this case, I thought it was relevant, and therefor this close to trivial conversation. To make it non-trivial, Plato was overrated.

medica

@tchrist Is that why American army guys called my father "Frenchy"?

tchrist

Any of partir, sortir, s’en aller but I couldn’t really say what’s most common. Been too long since I’ve hung out in la francophonie.

@medica Does he look like Sebastian Cabot?

Mahnax

If I wanted to say "I'm leaving" I would use je pars.

medica

um... no. But he was straight out of Quebec when he joined the Army.

Mitch

@skullpatrol there've been studies that say there's little difference, or that men are actually even more chatty than women. I don't necessarily agree, but I need to present data that there is alternative theory.

medica

00:36

He actually was Canadian, but joined the American Army.

@Mahnax Hmm.

Mitch

@Cerberus exactly. everybody is biting their lip and not complaining... unless they don't, and then do.

medica

So there's no reflecting it back yourself?

tchrist

Sebastian Cabot (actor)

Charles Sebastian Thomas Cabot (July 6, 1918 – August 22, 1977) was an English film and television actor, best remembered as the gentleman's gentleman, Giles French, opposite Brian Keith's character, in the sitcom Family Affair (1966–1971). He was also known for playing the Wazir in Kismet and Dr. Carl Hyatt in the series Checkmate (1960–1962), as well as for voicing Bagheera in The Jungle Book (1967), and the narrator in The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (1977). Early life Sebastian Cabot was born in London, England, on July 6, 1918. At the age of 14, Cabot left school to...

Robusto

@Mitch And then there's Aristotle. Who had way too much influence on everything. And who thought women had fewer teeth than men because it seemed reasonable. I guess it never occurred to him to ask his wife to open her mouth so he could count them.

Cerberus

@Mitch Tragic.

Mahnax

00:38

@medica I still think you're better with French than I am. Je m'en vais is fine because s'en aller is an actual thing.

terdon

@Mahnax The locals here say je m'en vais. They'd use je pars for things like I'm leaving for Japan tomorrow.

Mahnax

@terdon Ah OK. Thanks!

medica

@tchrist My father actually looked a lot like what's his name, the first Bond.

Cerberus

Yeah, je pars sounds more like travelling.

Robusto

@terdon That's way more succinct than I would have supposed.

medica

00:38

Sean Connery?

Robusto

Stop it.

Mahnax

@terdon Oh, I was in the south of France not too long ago.

Cerberus

@terdon I didn't know you lived en Francophie, though!

medica

@Mahnax Oh, good. I was feeling silly for having used it.

Robusto

@Cerberus That's Francophany to you.

Cerberus

00:39

Appearing to be French?

tchrist

@Cerberus We say Frenchville in Englisc.

Cerberus

Do you also say A...

medica

@terdon that's how I would use je pars

terdon

@Robusto The language the French actually speak (as opposed to the one I was taught) is relatively succinct actually.

@Cerberus But I do, I do!

@Mahnax Yes? Where?

Robusto

@terdon Well, yeah. But that's pretty much true of all languages. There's what you are taught and what the people actually speak.

Mitch

00:41

@medica do you mind if I ask... were you born with French in Quebec, or in France, and then your parent moved, or were one of them Francophone and spoke it at home?

terdon

I hate that.

tchrist

@terdon That’s because they abbreviate EVERYTHING. And do things like t’as and t’es. And drop the ne all the time.

Mahnax

@terdon Avignon, mostly. But also Nimes and Carcassonne.

tchrist

Well, youths do.

terdon

@tchrist Which made me raise my estimation of their intelligence immensely.

@Mahnax Sounds like fun :)

Cerberus

00:42

@terdon Where!

medica

@terdon We went to Paris 2 years ago. I told my husband I didn't want to use my French. He told me not to be afraid. The first person I spoke to answered not my question. but, Ahh, you're Quebecois!

user116848

@Robusto Hi Robusto. skullpatrol was being very mean recently. Should we ban him?

Mitch

@medica Oh. It took me this long to go through the transcript

terdon

@Cerberus Marseille.

Mahnax

@terdon It was! I loved it. Would have loved to see Marseille, but we couldn't go.

terdon

00:43

@medica Well of course! Just like you'd know a Brit.

medica

@Mitch that's OK, Quebecois, but not only that, apparently a bad part of Quebec for the French language.

Mitch

@Cerberus ... if it weren't so funny.

medica

@terdon I'm always afraid of saying something they'll laugh at.

Mitch

@Robusto inoRITE! What a maroon!

tchrist

@medica How insulting to a québecoise that must have been!

Cerberus

00:44

@terdon Ahh je crois que vous m'avez déjà dit votre location, excusez-moi.

medica

@tchrist lol, no I was embarassed!

My parents told me we were in a part of Quebec called "La Bosse"

Mitch

@medica I think it's hilarious how the 'French' French are so snooty with respect to Quebecois. So snooty.

medica

Does that make sense to anyone?

Mitch

So maybe it was really a good part of Quebec!

tchrist

@Cerberus Since when does one not tutoyer in chat?!

medica

00:46

@Mitch They were... yeah. They were a bit.

@tchrist On se tutoye in chat.

Cerberus

@Mitch Everybody is snooty. The Brits in particular. The Dutch are perhaps a tad less snooty about proper Flemish...but not about all other Dutch dialects.

tchrist

The Danes aren’t snooty.

Except for their knights.

Mitch

@Cerberus I'm not snooty. I'm better than that.

Cerberus

@tchrist Since it was too much trouble investigating whether excuse-moi was correct (it looked weird).

@Mitch We know.

tchrist

@Mitch If you’d stop using your chimney to go in and out, you wouldn’t have that problem.

Cerberus

00:48

The true test of snootiness is: would you find person x equally attractive were he to speak dialect/accent y?

terdon

@Cerberus C'est pas grave :)

Mahnax

Now with terdon and tchrist here I'm too embarrassed to try using French.

Cerberus

Vous êtes trop clément!

medica

@terdon - connais-tu la chançon "Prendre un p'tit coup c'est agréable"?

terdon

Non

@Mahnax Don't be on my account. While I hope my spoken French is better than yours (been living here for almost 4 years after all) my written French is atrocious.

Cerberus

00:50

Quel mensonge!

medica

Prendre un p'tit coup, c'est agréable,
Prendre un p'tit coup, c'est doux.
Prendre un p'tit coup, ça rend l'esprit malade,
Prendre un p'tit coup, c'est agréable!
Prendre un p'tit coup, c'est doux!

Cerberus

What does prendre un coup mean?

terdon

@medica Yeah, just listening to it now. :)

medica

have a little drink

terdon

@Cerberus Have a drink.

Cerberus

00:51

Ahh.

medica

well, apparently, it's full of Qebecoisisms.

tchrist

Kebeckisms.

Or Kaybeckisms.

medica

@tchrist ok, easier

terdon

Well, prendre as opposed to boire sounds strange to me.

Also, tous deux as opposed to tous les deux.

medica

see, to me, it means, Hey, have a little drink

tchrist

00:53

@terdon I think she was going off on doux not deux. :)

medica

apparently, we drop a whole bunch of words that should be there in our speech.

terdon

@tchrist That's what I thought too, it was the youtube lyrics that suggested otherwise.

tchrist

Tous les deux is as annoying as All you two. People who don’t know how to use both or either or ambos or something.

medica

@tchrist theres a part that is saying we'll go to the woods, the two of us.

tchrist

The Texans will say you all for just two people. Drives me nuts.

In my language, which is not Texan, it has to be you both or you two when addressing two people, not you all.

Cerberus

00:55

@tchrist I told you, you need to let them go.

medica

Nous irons au bois ma mignonnette
Nous irons au bois tous deux,
Nous cueillerons les fleurs les plus coquettes,
Nous irons au bois ma mignonnette,
Nous irons au bois tous deux.

@tchrist Tennessee is like that too

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

More than two people = all y'all.

tchrist

@Cerberus I don’t know how to get rid of them. But we can keep the red strip. It’s the yellow strip and the green strip that cause all the troubles.

Jarvis the Bot

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Turns out I already have milk. Oops.

medica

@tchrist you run into a couple (as in, two people) and ask, are y'll goin' to the movies, too?

terdon

00:57

@tchrist I thought it was y'all for less than two.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Dear web developers: If you're going to give me sample text in a text box, kindly remove it when I click in said box.

tchrist

@medica I always look behind me.

Cerberus

@tchrist I don't know what those are, but all it takes is a little push...

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

I'm looking at you, oed.com.

Cerberus

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Agree!! But it can be because you have Javascript disabled.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

00:58

@Cerberus O RLY

Cerberus

YES

BUT YOU PROLLY KNEW THAT

Mahnax

@Cerberus ok sir. you have taken all caps. none left for us

tchrist

@Cerberus Everything west of the Río Pecos is the red strip: mountains, desert. The green strip is the eastern part over by Paris and Louisiana where there are trees. The big yellow strip is the prairieland in the middle.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Um, so it only did it the one time.

Cerberus

@Mahnax SHE STARTED IT

tchrist

00:59

downcase downcase

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

DID NOT

Cerberus

@tchrist Why do they have colours?

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