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Cerberus

23:00

But I'm keeping you up while you should be sleeping.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

No, no laryngeal in the plurals—no vowel at all there, in fact (the Greek vowels there are analogical). The endings were just *-h₂e, *-th₂e, *-e, *-medʰh₂, *-dʰh₂u̯e, *-n̥to (or something like that—nobody ever really agrees properly). So something like *gʷʰe-gʷʰon-h₂e ‘I have killed’ yields Skt. ja-hán-a, while *gʷʰe-gʷʰon-e ‘he has killed’ yields ja-hā́n-a.

(I don’t think anyone really wants to touch the dual endings with a ten-foot pole—evidence is way too contradictory)

The pluperfect is an innovation in the later branches; PIE didn’t have a pluperfect (thankfully—quite enough tenses and aspects to get along with already!).

MετάEd

Howdy.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

And now I’m going off to bed, having successfully brushed my teeth without incident!

Howdy, @MετάEd – ’night, @MετάEd! :-)

Cerberus

@JanusBahsJacquet Ah, you meant the root gets a short/long vowel.

What is the law called again that turns phephanka into pephanka?

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Yes—Grassman’s Law is that *o in an open syllable gives ā in Skt., a otherwise.

Cerberus

23:12

@MετάEd Hello.

KitFox

@tchrist No.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Erm, no, wait. That’s Grassmann, the ph + ph => p + ph.

Cerberus

Oops, I mean pephôna (I think...).

Janus Bahs Jacquet

The *o law is Brugmann.

Cerberus

Ah OK.

I can never remember the names.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

23:13

And dh + t => ddh (in IIr) is Bartholomae.

Nope, me neither. Especially those three. Always getting them mixed up.

Cerberus

I know little about IIr!

KitFox

@MετάEd Hiya.

Cerberus

I even forget what Grimm's laws do.

Or how many there were.

And the last thing I will ever remember in my life is how many s's and n's and m's and l's names like Grassmann, Liddell, Hofmann, etc. have.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Tut tut! The Grimm–Rask law is just the Germanic Sound Shift (ptk > fþh), very simple.

Cerberus

Huh.

There is more! I think.

I knew there was something Germanic.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

23:16

And then Verner’s Law is the conditioning that if the stress in PIE (or pre-Proto-Germanic) was on the syllable following the plosive, ptk > βðɣ instead.

Cerberus

Hmm you're right about Grimm–Rask, it seems.

What was the law that said long a changed into ê in some phase of Greek?

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Hmm … not sure that one has a name, actually. Never heard it referred to with one, anyway.

Cerberus

And who was that bloke who had three laws?

Oh.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

It probably does, though—everything is named after someone or other.

Cerberus

True.

One of the few syllabi I saved from the ashes of my previous house was my old Proto-Indo-European syllabus.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

23:19

Three laws? Hmm … Archimedes?

Cerberus

Haha.

No!

Phonological laws.

Perhaps I was wrong.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Nope, don’t know who that would be. Can’t think of any. I think Stang had to, but I can only remember one of them. Perhaps Szemerényi?

Anyway, now I’m really off to bed!

Night all!

Cerberus

Good night!

Beat Homer!

user116848

Hi guys

user116848

:)

Cerberus

23:22

Hello!

user116848

Hey Cerberus

Robusto

How do?

user116848

So anyone here believe in Shakespeare's "To be or not to be"?

KitFox

I used to, but I feel a lot better now.

Cerberus

Houdoe (southern Dutch for howdy).

user116848

23:27

haha

user116848

Me personally sometimes feel depressed

KitFox

That wasn't actually a joke, but I can see why you would think so.

Cerberus

We all feel depressed now and then.

user116848

Yes I consider myself for "Not to be" sometimes. But that's life eh

user116848

:)

KitFox

23:29

It does get better. It's just hard to believe that when you're in the shit.

Robusto

@Cerberus It's better to feel depressed then than now.

user116848

Yah

KitFox

But, you know, once you get out, you can vow to never go back.

user116848

@KitFox So when did you completely come out the (pardon me) shit?

KitFox

I found that a much more satisfactory solution than killing myself.

user116848

23:30

Which is?

KitFox

Suicidal ideation ended about ten or eleven years ago.

Cerberus

@Robusto It is better now, but it was not better then.

user116848

@KitFox What changed?

KitFox

I found an excellent therapist finally.

After probably five or more.

user116848

Oh! that

KitFox

23:31

And I committed a sort of social suicide before that.

I quit school, quit my job, quit my friends, and moved back to my hometown.

user116848

But unlike me males usually don't say it (that they are depressed). They keep it inside.

KitFox

That was maybe three years after I tried actually committing suicide.

And it was so very much more cathartic.

@Arrowfar It's one of the things that makes me feel empathy for men.

user116848

haha

KitFox

It's got to be hard to be discouraged from sharing feelings.

That you get stigmatized for being unmanly if you "admit" to feeling things.

It's not right.

So anyway, what makes you ask about Shakespeare?

user116848

I guess "Time definitely heals everything"

KitFox

23:35

It gets better.

Mitch

@KitFox Like with many things, for some people very easy for others very hard and lots in between

Oldcat - that's quite a non sequitur. — medica 5 mins ago

user116848

@KitFox The saying? Yes it comes to mind everytime I get very very depressed

Mitch

@medica: it means that Plato may have been smart but he's not necessarily right about everything.

KitFox

@Arrowfar Do you want to share it here? Or should we just eat something sweet and share jokes to take your mind off it?

Robusto

@Mitch That's an understatement.

user116848

23:37

@KitFox No sure jokes and sweets are the topic now :D

Cerberus

Then again, the most manly men I know are actually self-confident enough to talk about their feelings when they need to.

KitFox

@Arrowfar So if you're Russian when you go into the bathroom, and American when you come out, what are you when you're in the bathroom?

Also, here are some bonbons.

terdon

@KitFox Drunk?

Mitch

I think it is about competition. If you are competing somehow, everything can be used against you, so showing emotional weakness may give the other... guy the edge.

user116848

@KitFox Just myself haha

KitFox

23:39

European!

Mitch

!!

Jarvis the Bot

@Mitch I didn't understand that. Maybe you meant: t

user116848

haha

Cerberus

@Mitch Or it can give you the edge. Because you're strong enough to not care.

Mitch

ha ha. no I meant 'ha ha'

KitFox

23:39

Now I've got to put my boy to bed. Night.

Cerberus

I don't get the joke...

user116848

Me neither. Just typed "haha"

Mitch

@Cerberus Well, that's the extra confident part, you can afford to show weakness because you're that strong. But that's an extra level up of machismo.

@Cerberus "You're peeing."

Cerberus

Ohh. Jesus.

@Mitch Yeah that's what I meant. But it's not that high.

Mitch

Jesus wouldnt get it.

Cerberus

23:41

He's dead.

Mitch

such a downer.

Cerberus

People can now forget about him.

Robusto

We should be so lucky.

user116848

@Mitch So what were you saying about competition I didn't completely get it?

Mitch

@Cerberus also culture. I dont think people are more confident nowadays than 100 years ago (Western culture), I think it's just cultural change and transfer that allows men to be more likely now to talk about their emotions more freely

Cerberus

23:43

@Robusto They are!

Robusto

@Cerberus Moar! Faster!

Alraxite

@Mitch Or you could be strong enough to not care about being strong enough to afford to show weakness. That requires another extra level!

Mitch

@Robusto I've forgotten about it already.

Cerberus

@Mitch Yes, probably, to some extent.

@Robusto Working on it!

Mitch

@Alraxite Ooh...inception of machismo

Cerberus

23:44

wink wink

Robusto

It's been touch and go on that.

user116848

I think even "Alexender the Great" type guys cried in their life.

Cerberus

I never thought it would happen, but you never know.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

May 15 '12 at 19:19, by Mahnax

Cerberus

Yay!

Robusto

23:45

I thought for sure Mahnax was going to be elected.

Shows what I know.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Right?

Cerberus

So did I.

Mitch

@Arrowfar (first note that I'm making stuff up, it's just ideas). I'm trying to come up with an explantion about why it's a macho thing to not show feelings. I think it's like poker, you don't want to give away any information to your competitors, so you have to be stone-faced in order to be more likely to win.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Oh, woops.

Cerberus

And Mr Hen.

Robusto

23:46

I didn't think Mr Hen was a certainty. But I did Mahnax.

Mitch

@Arrowfar When they were kids.

@Robusto same here. surprisingly low score. voters don't really see what we see.

Cerberus

I had four people I was certain would be elected.

user116848

@Mitch No I hear when they used to pray. But I have no source of that.

Cerberus

So one had to lose.

Mitch

@Cerberus Your write!

Cerberus

23:47

I'm right?

Robusto

Not exactly what he said.

Mitch

@Cerberus Write!

Cerberus

My write. OK, sure.

Robusto

Plausible deniability.

Mitch

I'm pretty sure I can deny that.

@skullpatrol Look, I don't have enough keys on the keyboard to write an essay.

user116848

23:49

Matt is a good man to get the first place Right?

Mitch

@Arrowfar Sure.

skullpatrol

nvm

user116848

So skull you were in the elections?

Mitch

@Alraxite Oh, right (took me a while to parse). Yeah, I don't care about that ;)

@skullpatrol sure there's a lot more to be said. (I didn't mean to be too brief with you) what do you think?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

I keep missing @Matt and I want to congratulate him.

Robusto

23:52

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 He's with the angels now, dear.

skullpatrol

@Mitch It doesn't matter. Thanks for asking.

Robusto

By which I mean he's probably sleeping.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

May 14 '12 at 10:58, by Robusto

Who dares summon Robusto?

@Robusto but not with kings and counselors.

Alraxite

@Mitch Well, the next higher level is to be strong enough to care about that.

Cerberus

@Robusto By the way, don't you feel a bit like an angel potty boy, now that you own this here diocese?

Robusto

23:53

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 No. With queens and . . . wait, that doesn't sound any better, does it?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Robusto it does for him, I guess.

Robusto

@Cerberus Um, "angel potty boy"? I don't know what that feels like, and I'm having a hard time picturing what that must be like.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

I've been trying to find my first message.

A good boy who uses the potty before it's too late?

MετάEd

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Your very first message?

Robusto

May 14 '12 at 11:04, by Robusto

Father time will tell us who concedes.

Mitch

23:56

@Alraxite mindsplode

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@MετάEd yessir.

Mitch

the stump of midbrain left is non-committal

confidence nirvana reached

skullpatrol

@Alraxite There is no "next higher level," a strong silent man must, by definition, remain silent at the right time.

Mitch

remains silent

skullpatrol

Enough said.

Mitch

23:58

has something important to say

but reconsiders

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

May 10 '12 at 0:17, by Cerberus

Mitch

But...

Alraxite

@skullpatrol He can be even stronger if he remains silent of his being silent.

Mitch

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Very efficient.

Alraxite

You know, this chat search is stupid.

skullpatrol

23:59

@Alraxite explain please

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