English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

simchona

21:01

@ChaosGamer Because we don't need to drag people into this

ChaosGamer

@simchona wait, what do you mean I'm dragging people?

simchona

@ChaosGamer You said "why not". My original "why" was to Thursagen. So it wasn't to you

ChaosGamer

@simchona ...no, I was asking why when you said NOOOOO to me. I was only jinxing.

simchona

@ChaosGamer Please reply to the right comment then :p I was NOOOOOing to the Meta Mega Jinx

ChaosGamer

I really ought to write faster, but I would make more mistakes.... ah well...

simchona

21:04

@ChaosGamer You've been doing better on spelling and such

ChaosGamer

@simchona True.

simchona

@ChaosGamer Thank you for putting in the effort ^^

ChaosGamer

So now what? We wait until mod comes in and save the day?

@simchona your welcome

HEY Reg!

I'm Phychotic!

simchona

@ChaosGamer psychotic?

Grace Note

@ChaosGamer We're looking into it, although a better understanding from @RegDwight on the original instances would be keen.

ChaosGamer

21:06

@simchona word I made up ^^

simchona

@GraceNote Congrats on the job by the way! And can you keep us updated?

Grace Note

@simchona I'll do my best, and thanks, not in that order.

Mana

And also refer any particularly awesome members who show astounding initiative, good spirit and exceptional charm?

ChaosGamer

@Mana you never fail to make me laugh... Execptional charm... My hat...

HEY

ain't I charming?

RegDwight

@GraceNote I have no idea what that is supposed to mean, but I'll do whatever you say. Today.

simchona

21:09

@RegDwight We're having a thursagan issue

RegDwight

I know.

I've been here all the time.

simchona

@Reg you were so quiet. I thought you left.

ChaosGamer

Most mod and people with high rep are mostly bossy and high and mighty....

Reg is exception I think...

Mana

But not RegDwight, right Chaos?? :D;;

okay good.

simchona

@ChaosGamer Sorry.

Cerberus

21:10

He can be high, though.

Grace Note

@RegDwight I just mean about background of this situation. There seems to be a lot of background to these events beyond just today.

ChaosGamer

@simchona nah your good. :)

simchona

You have to remember -- this is the chat room for EL&U. I am picky.

Cerberus

He doesn't walk on the ground when he is catching mice, you know.

simchona

@ChaosGamer I'll try to keep the high-and-mightiness down

RegDwight

21:10

May 5 at 17:55, by RegDwight

This is not a bagel-loving democracy. It's a malevolent pryanik-obsessed dictatorship.

There you have your exception.

Mana

Still, saying that he seems like a high school student was a bit rough, yo.

ChaosGamer

@simchona I like the way you are.

user19161

@simchona Reg knows everyhthing like me. We read the entire transcript!

simchona

@ChaosGamer Thanks, hon

@Mana Earlier he was talking about how I didn't understand being 'different". I think Martha brought up that he might be in high school. I think I went off from that

user19161

@Cerberus And he only does that at night, like you!

Cerberus

21:13

@JasperLoy Absolutely. Daytime is for wimps.

ChaosGamer

Guys, just tell me straight: am I charming?

or no?

FallenAngelEyes

@Cerberus Herehere!

user19161

@ChaosGamer Quite.

Robusto

@RegDwight — Hehe, I thought it was the dictatorship of the proletariat.

Cerberus

And angels only fall from the sky at night.

ChaosGamer

21:13

@JasperLoy ty

RegDwight

@Robusto Proletariat and pryanik are almost anagrams, and for a good reason.

Cerberus

@FallenAngelEyes By the way... are you actually in Fall from Heaven?

user19161

@ChaosGamer What is TY?

Grace Note

@ChaosGamer I haven't spoken with you enough to figure whether or not you are charming.

simchona

@JasperLoy thank you

FallenAngelEyes

21:14

@Cerberus In?

user19161

@GraceNote spoken?

ChaosGamer

London bridge is falling down, falling down, London brideg is falling down, falling down....

simchona

@Robusto You were being called for, earlier

Grace Note

@JasperLoy Naha! Nice try!

Robusto

@RegDwight — Yeah, but Proletariat never won the Triple Crown. Secretariat did, though.

RegDwight

21:14

Apr 5 at 21:59, by RegDwight

♫ Sur le pont d'Avignon l'on y danse, l'on y danse... ♫

Robusto

@simchona — Wofür?

Cerberus

@FallenAngelEyes The Civ mod? I mean, I don't know what it was exactly that fell from heaven.

simchona

@Robusto Err...Thursagan?

FallenAngelEyes

@Cerberus ...*facepalm*

Robusto

What, it called me?

Cerberus

21:15

Heh.

RegDwight

Grace Note

@Robusto Thursagan wanted to haunt you

ChaosGamer

Alright, Mods and Admins, Ladies and germs. I hereby present to you.... the multiple party-one account usage...

simchona

@Robusto Wanted to 'haunt you'

@GraceNote Jinx.

ChaosGamer

Dilemma.

simchona

21:16

My chat didn't scroll

Cerberus

What is up with that error image anyway? Everybody keeps linking to it—but why?

ChaosGamer

scary music

Grace Note

@simchona Wargh

user19161

@ChaosGamer germs?

Arda Xi

@Cerberus Fairly sure it isn't intentional.

Robusto

21:16

Why would that ghost want to haunt poor little me?

simchona

@Robusto dunno. "Both" people on the account wanted you

Cerberus

@ArdaXi I'm not so sure...

ChaosGamer

@Robusto ..don't you scare daylight out of ghosts???

Cerberus

The initiated never seem to wonder about the error message.

Grace Note

@simchona I'd say this too but I've already been jinxed twice today, rather not accumulate enough for a hex.

Robusto

21:17

Well, I received no pings to that effect.

ChaosGamer

@GraceNote what about curse?

Robusto

@ChaosGamer — Only in Soviet Russia.

simchona

@Robusto They kept spelling it wrong. "Where's Rubust"

Arda Xi

This is the image.

user19161

@Robusto Here's one for you. I hope you get the swag soon so that you have sth to wear.

Grace Note

21:18

@ChaosGamer That'll take some time.

user19161

@ArdaXi Another fake animal from reg.

ChaosGamer

@Robusto ahh yes.... Russians are known to be quite superstitious...

about ghosts.

user19161

@ChaosGamer superstitious

ChaosGamer

@JasperLoy ty

RegDwight

@ChaosGamer I find your ideas intriguing. Do go on with your newsletter.

Robusto

21:20

I'm not afraid of ghosts, or dial tones, or even 404s.

ChaosGamer

@RegDwight what do you mean?

user19161

@Robusto only mayonnaise.

RegDwight

@ChaosGamer Tell me more about Russian superstitions.

ChaosGamer

@Robusto way to go! but ghosts do exist in Christianity sense.

Robusto

Yes. I effing hate mayonnaise. I am using the word hate.

user19161

21:22

@ChaosGamer enlighten me, i've forgotten about ghosts there.

ChaosGamer

You guys do know that I said that because Robusto said "Solviet Union", right?

user19161

@aedia @martha Hi! You came in together!

ChaosGamer

But they are superstitious.

user19161

@ChaosGamer soviet

ChaosGamer

@JasperLoy I always mix those two up... sloviet, soviet.... dang it...

Robusto

21:24

@ChaosGamer — That's right ... blame the victim of Soviet oppression.

user19161

@spare Hi!

ChaosGamer

@Robusto you are a jew?

Cerberus

@Robusto So that's what's behind it.

Spare Oom

Hi! Thanks for the welcome. :)

simchona

Hi @Spare

Cerberus

21:24

Hi.

ChaosGamer

ZOMG everybody is coming here to talk about the... dilemma....

aedia

@JasperLoy Qué casualidad! Hola, todos.

simchona

@ChaosGamer Soviet oppression != Jew, necessarily

Robusto

@ChaosGamer — I consider that an impertinent question.

FallenAngelEyes

Dammit EL&U, you all made me want ice cream and we have none. :[

ChaosGamer

21:25

@Robusto sorry.

I was just curious.

user19161

@FallenAngelEyes Grace had some a few days ago.

FallenAngelEyes

@ChaosGamer In my experience at least, "Jew" sounds more pejorative to many people than saying "Jewish," though I don't know if that is the case here.

Cerberus

I use "Jew".

simchona

@Cerberus You also use "Jap"

ChaosGamer

@FallenAngelEyes... huh... never thought of it like that..

user19161

21:27

@ChaosGamer Relax, he's just messing with ya.

Robusto

I don't ask people for their religion, sexual persuasion, or credit card numbers in chat.

ChaosGamer

@Robusto I don't people?...

what does it mean?

Cerberus

@simchona Not seriously, because it feels a bit pejorative, and with good reason.

Grace Note

@FallenAngelEyes This just reminds me of a very awkward exchange at the wedding I was at.

FallenAngelEyes

I believe he means "don't ask"

ChaosGamer

21:28

Oh

FallenAngelEyes

@GraceNote Oh?

ChaosGamer

k

Cerberus

@GraceNote That sounds fun, tell us!

ChaosGamer

@GraceNote do tell us about it.

Martha

Jul 20 at 15:20, by z7sg

Chat is particularly incomprehensible today. This is good.

Cerberus

21:28

sits comfortably

aedia

pours tea

Robusto

Forgive me, I had my eyes examined today and they dilated my pupils. Everything's a bit blurry. Especially you all.

Grace Note

@FallenAngelEyes Oh, something about pejoratives, and people not liking a particular term, so naturally they said something using the verb pejorative of "Jew" as a response.

ChaosGamer

takes a sip of lemonade

user19161

Looks at Cerberus and aedia suspiciously.

Cerberus

21:28

serves salmon-egg-tomato sandwiches

FallenAngelEyes

@Robusto Oh man I hate that. I have very large pupils too, enough so that when they're medically dilated, they can barely see my irises.

ChaosGamer

eats fried shrimp

FallenAngelEyes

So I end up looking like a Lemur.

@GraceNote Thaaaat's... yeah. Awkward.

Cerberus

@Robusto Was everything all right?

ChaosGamer

@GraceNote ...so?

user19161

21:29

@Cerberus Delicious!

Robusto

@Cerberus — New prescription is all.

ChaosGamer

serves homemade pie

Grace Note

@FallenAngelEyes Hence my choice of adjective.

Cerberus

@GraceNote I don't quite understand this: ...using the verb pejorative of "Jew"...?

@Robusto Oh, good.

Grace Note

@Cerberus You can use it as a pejorative verb to indicate that someone is being stingy and basically cheating you out of a service or deal.

Martha

21:30

I seriously need to get new glasses, but can't seem to find the time to schedule an eye exam.

user19161

@ChaosGamer So long as it is not kimchi!

ChaosGamer

kimchi falls and lands on our heads

Martha

Also: dammit, y'all are making me hungry.

Cerberus

@GraceNote Oh, using Jew as a verb, I see.

ChaosGamer

@JasperLoy you jinxed it!

user19161

21:31

@Martha Here I can just go to a neighbour shop and get it done in 5 min and collect glasses in two days.

user19161

I mean neighbourhood.

Cerberus

I think people who are too politically correct should be taken to a Borat film.

Spare Oom

@ChaosGamer I know nothing about this ... dilemma. Should I ignore it?

Cerberus

He is a bit gross; but the way he messes with Jews is great, he being one himself, of course.

ChaosGamer

@SpareOom you can read our previous chat.

Spare Oom

21:33

How far back do I need to go?

user19161

@ChaosGamer It's weird how I mentioned Thurs and he appeared. I mentioned kimchi and it appeared.

simchona

Not too far

ChaosGamer

@Cerberus is he a hypocrite?

FallenAngelEyes

@Cerberus My boyfriend and I clash a bit sometimes over being PC, with me being raised in America and having learned to be PC and him being, well, typically Dutch ;)

user19161

@FallenAngelEyes What is PC?

FallenAngelEyes

21:34

@JasperLoy Politically Correct

Cerberus

@ChaosGamer Not at all! He (indirectly) shows how stupid political correctness is and and hypocritical some people are.

Robusto

@Cerberus — You slimy Dutchmen would say something like that.

ChaosGamer

@FallenAngelEyes I thought it was personal computer :p

user19161

@FallenAngelEyes Damn, we need an abbreviations dictionary in this room.

Cerberus

@FallenAngelEyes Hehe. No offence, but I hope you will adopt Our Ways!

FallenAngelEyes

21:34

@ChaosGamer Hahaha not in this case

aedia

@FallenAngelEyes Also pubococcygeus muscle.

Cerberus

@Robusto Absolutely.

Robusto

Mayonnaise breath.

ChaosGamer

@aedia pubococcygeus?

Cerberus

America's political correctness is a source of fun and comedy here.

simchona

21:35

0

Q: spilt vs spilled

I can not understand and comprehend again the british and american forms of the past tense of spill. I have difficulty due to the number of dictionaries in our house that contradict all the time. So can anyone point out the correct one? Thanks.

past-tense

FallenAngelEyes

@Cerberus It was very shocking to me when he brought a chocoladeletter from Albert Heijn that had a Zwarte Piet on it the first time...

simchona

He's BACKKKKKKKKKKKK

user19161

@simchona only on the main site.

aedia

@ChaosGamer The ones Kegel exercises are for.

Robusto

@simchona — I presume you mean 3I?

Cerberus

21:36

@FallenAngelEyes Yes, everybody loves Zwarte Piet. The PC lobby here is against it, but the great majority is non-PC, thank God.

simchona

@Robusto This is...his "brother"..."niece"...

FallenAngelEyes

@aedia I didn't realize PC was used as an abbreviation for that

Mana

@Robusto No, this is 3Ib

Cerberus

@FallenAngelEyes Does your boyfriend say "neger"?

I bet he does.

user19161

@Robusto Some relative of 3I, details uncertain.

Cerberus

21:36

Everybody in our circles does.

Robusto

@Mana — Let me know when we get to 3M. I need some more PostIt notes.

FallenAngelEyes

@Cerberus I went to a fairly liberal university that had just had a whole "scandal" when someone decided to paint their face as a "Pacific Islander" for Halloween, so I was like "AAAGH I can't have this sitting on my desk!" and hid it in a drawer :P

@Cerberus He does, and I will admit that I am not yet comfortable with using that term

Cerberus

@FallenAngelEyes Haha that is incredibly funny.

@FallenAngelEyes You will learn to use it, in time. But that one I wouldn't use on television. But it is fine among most people with higher education.

ChaosGamer

What is this all 3I, 3IB, 3M things -_-.

FallenAngelEyes

@Cerberus It just feels too close to the English pejorative term and having also been the target of racial slurs, I don't really like using them.

Cerberus

21:38

Or among those with very little education, they have common sense as well; it is just the people in the middle who can be annoyingly PC.

user19161

@ChaosGamer Another new smiley!

FallenAngelEyes

@Cerberus My b/f can comfortably listen and laugh at Hans Teeuwen whereas I usually sit there with an expression on my face somewhat comparable to this: O_O

Cerberus

@FallenAngelEyes I can understand that it must be different for a foreigner.

user19161

@FallenAngelEyes O_O

Robusto

@FallenAngelEyes — Oh, that's your face?

Cerberus

21:39

@FallenAngelEyes Well, he is a bit on the extreme side, yes. Public (though fake, invisible) masturbation and all.

FallenAngelEyes

@Cerberus ...onto the queen.

Mana

wh

ChaosGamer

Who stared my meesage? I want to thank him/her.

Cerberus

Right, I don't remember that, but I am not surprised.

Mana

what.

user19161

21:40

@ChaosGamer they starred it to see your typo.

aedia

@Cerberus Oh my. I had never heard of Zwarte Piet. The Wikipedia page helpfully mentions that Americans experience culture shock upon seeing the character...

Cerberus

@aedia Yes, Zwarte Piet is a great national symbol.

ChaosGamer

@JasperLoy dude, It was a word I made up. it did it PURPOSLY

aedia

That reminds me of the time I really didn't know that "porch monkey" meant something other than sitting around relaxing on the porch.

FallenAngelEyes

@aedia Yeah. It's still really, really weird for me to walk around in town around that time of year and see mothers doing their children up in blackface

user19161

21:41

@ChaosGamer purposely

Robusto

-1

Q: "Spilt" vs "Spilled"

I can not understand and comprehend again the British and American forms of the past tense of spill. I have difficulty due to the number of dictionaries in our house that contradict all the time. So can anyone point out the correct one? Thanks.

past-tense

Gotta be a dupe.

Cerberus

@aedia Does that refer to black servants/slaves?

simchona

@Robusto Did you see the "spoilt" "spoiled" question....by the same person?

ChaosGamer

@FallenAngelEyes hold on, mothers doing their children? That sounds wrong, very wrong.

Cerberus

And yet I don't think many black people are offended.

user19161

21:42

@simchona I closed it as gen ref.

simchona

1

Q: "Spoilt" vs. "spoiled"

I am currently confused which one is the correct past tense of the verb spoil. I looked up the dictionary and it said spoilt was past tense and spoiled was past perfect. I asked my brother and he said they were the same. I asked my sister and she said spoilt was past perfect and spoiled was pa...

verbs past-tense

FallenAngelEyes

@ChaosGamer :P Painting their children's faces

simchona

One more vote til this is closed

Robusto

We've seen it before, though.

Cerberus

Nor are women offended when the King of Thebes has female servants in a play.

user19161

21:42

@simchona till or until

aedia

@Cerberus Specifically with a connotation of "lazy." So, offensive.

ChaosGamer

Ok, on a quick look, it looks redundant
....

simchona

@JasperLoy *till

ChaosGamer

Spoilt vs. Spoiled, Spilt vs. Spilled...

user19161

@ChaosGamer redundant

Cerberus

21:43

@aedia Sure, well, actually the connotation "lazy" isn't very strong. Zwarte Piet isn't lazy to me.

FallenAngelEyes

@Cerberus My boyfriend always asks me jokingly if I want to dress up as Zwarte Piet and I'm all "NO!" :P

ChaosGamer

seriously, who comes up withthese things?

Cerberus

@FallenAngelEyes Yes you should do that!

That would be awesome!

Robusto

@RegDwight: Oh FFS, now he's answering his own sock puppet questions.

FallenAngelEyes

@Cerberus And then go to America and be promptly shot...

Cerberus

21:44

Zwarte Piet smoking pot!

FallenAngelEyes

@Cerberus ahahaha

Cerberus

Send a picture to your parents.

ChaosGamer

Zwarte Piet... by chaos....

FallenAngelEyes

@Cerberus I just told my b/f what you said and he laughed really hard. XD

ChaosGamer

You got to be kidding me.

Cerberus

21:45

Cute or what?

ChaosGamer

kinda

user19161

@Cerberus Who's that?

aedia

@Cerberus Not Zwarte Piet! "Porch monkey" is offensive here because it is like saying the slaves are both inhuman and lazy (for resting). Like "lazy Mexican" stereotypes, kind of.

Cerberus

@FallenAngelEyes Good!

FallenAngelEyes

@JasperLoy Random children dressed as Zwarte Piet and Sinterklaas

user19161

21:46

@FallenAngelEyes whom I don't know about.

Cerberus

@aedia Right... well, we say Belgians are stupid. Would that be offensive in America too?

Robusto

@Cerberus — I can't tell ... are you the one on the left or the one on the right?

ChaosGamer

Duck Dodgers, and the twentyfourth and a half century!

aedia

@Cerberus Oh, God, probably, at the wrong moment.

user19161

@Robusto probably right.

Spare Oom

21:47

@JasperLoy It might be more exciting if we just assume whatever acronym we want and see if it causes trouble.

user19161

@Cerberus Anything can be considered offensive or not.

Cerberus

@Robusto Both.

FallenAngelEyes

@Cerberus What is it, Belgians are stupid, Germans are either assholes (if it's about football) or "te netjes en precies"...

Spare Oom

@ChaosGamer It's a secret.

ChaosGamer

All Hail to the King, Baby! (can anyone guess where that came from?)

Cerberus

21:48

@aedia It is just a joke here. Of course nobody things Belgians are stupid. They say we are all niggards.

aedia

Douglas Adams did say Belgium was the worst taboo...

user19161

@SpareOom I invented ctfd new definition. I didn't know it was calm the f down. I made it to be check the f dictionary.

Robusto

Mar 31 at 0:02, by Robusto

RegDwight

@Robusto What's more, now look who voted to close it.

Robusto

That is a pic of @Cerberus.

Cerberus

21:49

@FallenAngelEyes Exactly! And everyone living <500 km from the Mediterranean is sloppy and crazy.

user19161

@Robusto OMG!

ChaosGamer

@aedia isn't Michael Jackson a worst taboo?

simchona

@RegDwight Do you have to have over 10k to see?

Robusto

@RegDwight — <scratches head>

Cerberus

Lookin' good, huh?

ChaosGamer

21:50

...no. who the heck is that?

RegDwight

@simchona No. Go and have a look.

user19161

@Cerberus Yes, as usual!

Cerberus

@JasperLoy You too!

Martha

@Robusto Can't be. Not enough heads.

Robusto

@Martha — That's when he was younger. The other two heads hadn't grown in yet.

user19161

21:51

@Cerberus Well, you wouldn't know since you haven't seen that much of me!

ChaosGamer

Martha. You were watch for a quite a time. I thought you were afk.

Alain Pannetier

@JSBangs, @Kit, @Cerberus. Since you guys pinged me about "Zut alors" here are my "belated comments".
- Cerb is right, "Zut" is a polite way of saying "shit".
- Kit is right as well of course and she also has the "alors" right. The idea is that the speaker emphasises how much he/she believes the situation is unfair to him/her ("If this is how it goes, then Zut")... The etymologie of "Zut" is lost.
In an IT error condition context, the probable purpose is to provoke a smile because the expression is really outdated: only well educated people above 60 would say that today.

FallenAngelEyes

oh, @Cerberus, I asked my father-in-law about U-speak in Dutch today and he said he's going to look up a book for me about it. "Van Grootmama mag dat wel" or something like that

Cerberus

@JasperLoy Sure I saw some pictures on your profile here.

simchona

Hi @Kit!

Martha

21:52

@ChaosGamer I'm in and out. Stoopid w*rk.

ChaosGamer

We all hate work, I see.

user19161

@Cerberus only one was the real me :) the rest were JB

ChaosGamer

@JasperLoy Justin Beiber?

Robusto

@Martha — You need more asterisks to clean that word up for chat.

Mana

That r looked very much like an n from the small font in the sidebar!

Cerberus

21:53

@AlainPannetier Ah, thanks for this thorough summary! We were taught to say zut at school...

aedia

@ChaosGamer It's not called w-o-r-k if it's fun. Then it's called fun.

simchona

@Cerberus We were too

user19161

@ChaosGamer bieber, yes.

Martha

@Robusto Sorry. Felt like cussing. Apologies if I offended anyone.

user19161

@Martha Cuss all you want.

Cerberus

21:54

@FallenAngelEyes Hah, that sounds fun! Never heard of that book. Lemme see... and have you checked schoonpapa's U speak? hehe

user19161

@aedia a workout is fun though, in the gym or in the bedroom

Cerberus

@FallenAngelEyes When I Google that title, Google replaces the U word "grootmama" with the non-U "oma". Interesting. Can't find that book.

@Martha My God! I am offended! You might as well have said the w-word in full!

FallenAngelEyes

@Cerberus Hrm, maybe I have the title wrong. I can't quite remember it.

user19161

@Cerberus wank?

Cerberus

@FallenAngelEyes Do let me know if you find the right title, I am intrigued.

FallenAngelEyes

21:56

Will do!

ChaosGamer

What is w-word?

Kit

@AlainPannetier I'm right of course? Well, I am feeling pleased as Punch right now.

Robusto

Well, it's beer o'clock. CYA all later.

simchona

On the closed spilt/spilled:

Thursagan, you probably shouldn't mess around with your father's account. get off, and stop duplicating his questions. – Thursagen 2 mins ago

Cerberus

@ChaosGamer I couldn't repeat it. Look up Martha's curse, she replaced one letter of the w-word with an asterisk.

simchona

21:58

doesn't that mean either a. they're sharing the account again, which is against TOS

Alain Pannetier

@Kit, You said your French was dusty, but I'd say "tu as de beaux restes ;-)"

simchona

or b. See a

Cerberus

@Robusto Have fun being home alone!

Kit

@AlainPannetier I have two beautiful breasts?

Alain Pannetier

Pix please, reminds me of Boobs (user)

aedia

21:58

@Robusto Hasta pronto!

user19161

@simchona I just saw that. The story seems credible now.

user19161

@Kit wtf?

Cerberus

@AlainPannetier Haha oh yes.

simchona

@JasperLoy In that case, there's a minor sharing an account. Doubly against rules @regdw

Alain Pannetier

No flag please this is not a question title.

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