English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Matt Ellen

3:00 PM

@JSBangs Well, there is Chuck Norris

Cerberus

@JSBangs To take offence at mere words... we shrug those things off! Don't we?

z7sg

@Cerberus Berlusconi is a lad. When people start moaning on about his bunga bunga parties that's just the envy talking.

Kit

@MattEllen I was hoping she'd like me better now.

Robusto

@Cerberus — See, the very title smacks of sexism: "Community Coordinator" — why are there no Community Confrontationalists?

Matt Ellen

@Kit :D I'd imagine that'd be a hard thing to do

Rhodri

3:01 PM

@Kim Telephone meetings are hard. You are missing all the visual cues that you normally rely on.

Cerberus

@z7sg Well, then I hope you will have a pleasant evening with him! At least there's cheap hookers.

Kit

@Robusto I know. They ought to just call them "site moms."

Kim

@Rhodri yes. and they seems to wait another person to respond

Matt Ellen

@Robusto lol

Kit

@MattEllen pout I'm that awful?

Robusto

3:01 PM

@Cerberus — And if we have a problem, maybe we can, you know, take it outside and talk about it?

Cerberus

@Robusto Haha, that one I'll give you. But I think there are already plenty of those and they even work for free!

Matt Ellen

@Kit oh you!

Kit

@Cerberus Cheap hookers are the best kind!

Matt Ellen

I clearly meant the opposite

Cerberus

@Robusto That is better!

Kit

3:02 PM

@MattEllen Clearly (she said coyly)

Cerberus

@Kit Because they are cheap?

z7sg

@Cerberus They own the site! How comes they only hires the hot women though eh?

Rhodri

@Kim It's very hard to tell, but perhaps they just don't have anything to say.

JSBangs

@Kim perhaps they didn't realize that you were asking a question. if your intonation is off, then it's possible to not realize that a question has been asked, especially over the phone

Kit

@Cerberus Because no one does that kind of work for peanuts unless they really like the peanuts.

Matt Ellen

3:03 PM

@Kit suggestive eyebrows

Cerberus

@z7sg Hmm... could that be it? Maybe subtly inquire into their previous work experience.

Robusto

You and me "talking" it over.

Cerberus

@Kit Or unless nobody likes them...

Kit

@Robusto Which one is Tyson and which one is Holyfield?

Kim

@JSBangs yes, that's reasonable

Kit

3:04 PM

@Cerberus That just makes them work harder.

Cerberus

@Robusto I am red guy.

@Kit Ah, that is true. I fold.

Robusto

@Cerberus — You're the commie, true. But I'm the one punching you in the chin.

Matt Ellen

@Robusto you have it confused! he's using his chin to hit the fist.

Cerberus

Red

Red is any of a number of similar colors evoked by light consisting predominantly of the longest wavelengths of light discernible by the human eye, in the wavelength range of roughly 630–740 nm. Longer wavelengths than this are called infrared (below red), and cannot be seen by the naked eye. Red is used as one of the additive primary colors of light, complementary to cyan, in RGB color systems. Red is also one of the subtractive primary colors of RYB color space but not CMYK color space. Etymology and definitions The word red comes from the Old English rēad. Further back, the word...

Kim

@Robusto There are many commie in my country

Cerberus

3:06 PM

Ah dammit!!

The first page on Wiki has just some red squares, not this self-defeating image.

I give up.

Kit

You are just taking it from all sides, aren't you @Cerberus?

Robusto

Oh, and by the way ... "community" coordinator? I find it very interesting that "community" and "communist" share the first seven letters.

z7sg

@Cerberus You posted the commies deliberately, admit it!

Cerberus

@Kit Yes! Where is my army when I need it?

@z7sg If only! Look at the actual Wiki page.

Kit

Red Army

The Workers' and Peasants' Red Army (; RKKA) started out as the Soviet Union's revolutionary communist combat groups during the Russian Civil War of 1918-1922. It grew into the national army of the Soviet Union. By the 1930s the Red Army was among the largest armies in history. The "Red Army" name refers to the traditional colour of the workers' movement. On 25 February 1946 (when Soviet national symbols replaced revolutionary symbols), the Red Army was renamed the Soviet Army (Советская Армия, Sovetskaya Armiya). The Red Army is widely credited with being the decisive force in the All...

Here you go.

Rhodri

3:08 PM

@Robusto You know that's not an accident, don't you :-)

Robusto

@Cerberus — BTW, RGB is just a thinly veiled euphemism for KGB.

@Rhodri — Of course it's no accident.

Kim

Where are you live?

Matt Ellen

@Robusto yeah! people who work together are really trying to undermine the USA

Cerberus

@Kit The cuts have been so bad that they are a now a hollow shell of their former power...

Rhodri

@Robusto So you know the communists have been infiltrating your communities at the linguistic level. Interesting...

Grace Note

3:09 PM

@Robusto Technically, I haven't even denied what side I fall unto

Kit

@Cerberus Yes, this economic downturn affects us all.

Robusto

@Rhodri — It's a bigger problem than we thought.

Cerberus

@Kit A sad thing indeed.

Robusto

@MattEllen — Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom.

Cerberus

What is seriously saddening is that several of the small Soviet nuclear bombs that fit in a suitcase have gone missing.

Matt Ellen

3:11 PM

@Robusto and what a freedom it is!

Cerberus

If they still work and fall into the wrong hands...

Robusto

@Cerberus — It's hard to imagine them falling into the right hands ...

Cerberus

Suitcase nuke

A suitcase nuke is a tactical nuclear weapon which uses, or is portable enough that it could use, a suitcase as its delivery method. Synonyms include suitcase bomb, backpack nuke, mini-nuke, pocket nuke & snuke. Production Thus far, only the United States and the Soviet Union/Russian Federation are known to have possessed nuclear weapons programs developed and funded well enough to manufacture miniaturized nuclear weapons. Both the United States and the Soviet Union have acknowledged producing nuclear weapons small enough to be carried in specially-designed backpacks during the Col...

You guys have them too.

Kit

Oh, snap! Is that what that is? I'll have to thank my brother for the birthday present after all. Now that I know what it does.

He never tells me these things.

Robusto

►

Kit

3:14 PM

It was so embarrassing when I wore that plastique gown to the gala last year.

Matt Ellen

@Kit I bet you looked like dynamite

Kit

@MattEllen It was killer.

JSBangs

@Kit i would have died to see that

Grace Note

...ow

Matt Ellen

@Kit I bet I would have been blown away

Kit

3:16 PM

@JSBangs It brought the house down.

Grace Note

Where is Martha when we need her...

Matt Ellen

see what happens when Martha isn't here?

jinx!

Robusto

Anyway, you should look at the clip. It leads up to the "suitcase bomb" ... ^_)^

Kit

And I'm her protégé too. Shame on me.

Grace Note

While I no longer have corporate restrictions against Coke, I do have parental restriction from accessing the stash.

Matt Ellen

3:18 PM

@GraceNote Then I offer a reverse jinx!

Grace Note

You never struck me as a caffeine free type. No one else in this room does, honestly.

Matt Ellen

Might have picked that one by accident

although I don't imbibe much caffeine

Cerberus

@Kit I think you need an extra e in this room?

Kit

@Cerberus Damn. Too late. The English word is not gender conforming?

Grace Note

I didn't realize there were gender specifics for that term

Cerberus

3:22 PM

@Kit Nice try.

If you can say fiancée...

Kit

@Cerberus Not in this state, I can't. Not yet anyway. tee hee

@Cerberus I was wearing my Y chromosomes at the time?

Cerberus

I thought you were married already.

@Kit It is not allowed here.

Kit

@Cerberus I am. I meant I couldn't have a fiancée.

Matt Ellen

@Cerberus here where you chat or here where you live?

Cerberus

@Kit You couldn't, because you're married! Shame on you.

@MattEllen Kit is a woman in this room, a man in the War room.

Matt Ellen

3:32 PM

@Cerberus oh! :O

JSBangs

@Cerberus i'm pretty sure that Kit is always a woman. a woman of eclectic tastes, to be sure, but never not a woman

perhaps the War Kit is actually a different user?

Cerberus

@JSBangs She claims otherwise...

It could be someone stole her avatar again.

Kit

What? What are you guys talking about?

Rhodri

::points to name of room::

JSBangs

@Kit Cerb thinks that you're sometimes a dude. i doubt this assertion.

Kit

3:39 PM

@JSBangs Oh. No, he's right. Sometimes I am.

JSBangs

i'm so confused, now

from now on, i'll just assume that you are some kind of omni-gendered robot from the future

Kit

@JSBangs What's confusing about that?

@JSBangs LOL

z7sg

3:50 PM

@JSBangs Who is the War Kit? I find it a bit incredible that the War Kit goes to war in a titty shirt, but it's a strange world.

aedia

Mornin'!

Kit

@aedia Morning!

aedia

Ooh, Gracie got hired! Congrats, @GraceNote.

Grace Note

Thanks

aedia

Wow, and I can't understand, like, any of the rest of the transcript. I need a multithreaded brain.

Grace Note

4:01 PM

I think the ultimate conclusion has to deal with the Y Chromosome being communist.

Kit

@aedia It moved pretty quickly there for a little while.

aedia

@GraceNote Makes... sense?

Grace Note

Oh, @JSBangs, on a topic we discussed a loooong time ago, about a mod utility that we used to have last year that's been since removed, I finally found chat discussion on it.

The button was called "generate error".

Kit

@GraceNote The one that crashed the site if you pressed it?

Grace Note

@Kit The one we were all told would do such, yes. Or otherwise under that impression. We can no longer force the site to error.

Kit

4:13 PM

@JSBangs english.stackexchange.com/questions/36666/…

JSBangs

@Kit am i supposed to hate this question? because i do

Kit

@JSBangs Yes. Just checking.

Rhodri

Only one more close vote needed.

Kit

4:29 PM

Naughty, bad code!

ChaosGamer

5:01 PM

what close vote?

should I vote the last vote?

Mana

@Chaos It's a feature that you get when you have 3000 rep.

The ability to vote to close questions.

Rhodri

@ChaosGamer The question is now closed anyway, so that's OK.

Hi there, @MrDisappointment

Mr. Disappointment

Howdy!

JSBangs

@ChaosGamer heh. your name is truncated to ChaosGam. This makes me think that you are a gam

Gam

Gam may refer to: * GAM, an acronym for General Aggression Model. Generally referred in psychological research in video game behavioral studies. * Gam, a mostly obsolete slang term for a person's leg, especially of an attractive female. See gammon as it refers to the hindquarters of pigs. * Gam, Hebrew for also * Gam, a herd or school of whales * Gam, the title of a village's elected tribal chief among the Himalayan Adi people * Gerakan Aceh Merdeka, the "Free Aceh Movement"; (abbreviated GAM) ;Places * Gam, a town in Cornwall county in southwestern England * Gam, an island in Indonesia...

Kit

0

Q: I will or I would have left by this time tomorrow?

I read somewhere that it is "I will". Which rule is this? Where can I find these rules for tenses?

tense

Subjunctive dupe?

aedia

5:13 PM

@JSBangs Whales! Where?

ang.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C6%BF%C3%A6l

Kit

Or Robusto's verb tense diagram maybe?

aedia

Blast, I'm always having trouble with the oneboxes.

JSBangs

@Kit dupe of something, that's for sure

@aedia i think it just doesn't like anglo-saxon

Rhodri

5

Q: "Will have" vs. "Would have"

By the end of the year, I would have attended this school for five years. Of course, the "most" correct way of writing this would be: By the end of the year, I will have attended this school for five years. ...but I was just wondering.

tense verb-agreement future-perfect conditional

JSBangs

chr.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

^ see, it doesn't like that one, either

Kit

5:16 PM

@Rhodri That's one of yours @JSBangs.

JSBangs

@Kit huh. didn't even notice

తిమింగలము

తిమింగలము (ఆంగ్లం Whale) వెచ్చటి రక్తాన్ని కలిగిన నీటిలో నివసించే ఒక పెద్ద క్షీరదము. చాలాకాలం పూర్వమే సముద్ర ప్రయాణం చేస్తున్న నావికులు భారీ శరీరం, మరియు బలమైన తోక కలిగిన ఈ సముద్ర జీవిని గుర్తించడం జరిగింది. వీటిని అమెరికా అంతరించిపోతున్న జీవజాతుల జాబితాలో ఒకటిగా చేర్చింది. 19 మరియు 20 వ శతాబ్దాల్లో తిమింగల వేటగాళ్ళు విపరీతంగా వీటిని వేటాడటంతో ఈ పరిస్థితి నెలకొన్నది. . మానవుల్లాగే ఇవి కూడా క్షీరదాలు కావడంతో శ్వాసించడానికి కావల్సిన ఆక్సిజన్ కోసం నీటి ఉపరితలంపైకి వస్తాయి. పరిణామం మరియు వర్గీకరణ సిటేసియా (Cetacea) జీవులు అన్నీ భూమి మీద నివసించే క్షీరదాలైన ఆర్టియోడాక్టిలా క్రమానికి చెంది...

Telugu works, but not Cherokee? WTF?

Kit

@JSBangs Pretty.

aedia

@JSBangs I got it to do some other language just the other day. Filipino I think. No wait. Portuguese. I think.

JSBangs

@Kit i want to learn it just for the script

aedia

@JSBangs Ooooh. Me too.

Kit

5:19 PM

Any programmers about?

aedia

Was one once!

Arda Xi

@Kit Sort of.

Kit

I want to create a dictionary for a page that stores the control name and a tab index, so I can access this information later without having to cycle through all the controls.

Mr. Disappointment

@Kit That depends. What do you want?

JSBangs

@Kit at your service

Kit

5:21 PM

What's the best way to make this accessible within the scope of the page?

Mr. Disappointment

What's the technology being used?

JSBangs

unanswerable without more context. start with @MrDisappointment's question

VB-flavored Asp.Net

twitches

@Kit Ew.

5:22 PM

/groans

Arda Xi

@Kit I... I'm so sorry.

Kit

What? Did I fart?

Mr. Disappointment

Ya, I'm not a programmer now.

Arda Xi

@Kit Worse.

Kit

I have no idea why people hate VB so much.

Doesn't matter anyway, it's mandated.

Arda Xi

5:22 PM

Yeah, that's why I'm sorry.

Kit

I can read C#.

Besides, the VB part isn't really important.

Mr. Disappointment

Maybe I'll send you part of a document I'm writing at work to qualify exactly why using VB.NET is outlawed, and disciplinary action required if so...

Kit

I just need to know where to stick this dictionary.

Mr. Disappointment

But, back to your problem, are the tabs part of a server-side control?

Kit

@MrDisappointment What do you use?

@MrDisappointment Yes, everything is server-side.

More or less.

Mr. Disappointment

5:24 PM

We use C# primarily.

That's good: less is often more.

So, excuse me for prying for more information, but don't you already have a reference to those tabs as controls on the server?

Kit

Oh, crap. I have misled you. It's a series of textbox controls. I custom validate them, so when they lose focus, the page checks the content. This requires a postback because I don't use javascript. The postback returns the focus to the default first tab index.

Arda Xi

@Kit Wait... how can you check the content when a textbox loses focus without Javascript? Is this Silverlight?

JSBangs

@ArdaXi i think there is an aspx attribute for this. it generates javascript for the client, but doesn't require that you actually write any js of your own

Kit

@ArdaXi No, I just handle the OnTextChanged event.

Mr. Disappointment

@JSBangs Correct.

Arda Xi

5:29 PM

@JSBangs So then you're using Javascript without knowing how or even that you use Javascript? That sounds bad.

JSBangs

so there is javascript, but it's framework-generated and of no interest to @Kit

Mr. Disappointment

@ArdaXi Correct.

But blame Microsoft and their pushing of RAD, and not the users...

Arda Xi

Wouldn't that just lead to horribly inefficient code?

JSBangs

@Kit so if i understand your problem, you want to remember which field had focus and restore it?

my first thought is that this is horrible design, to force a postback on focus change

Arda Xi

@MrDisappointment I've used ASP.NET MVC personally, and I did all the Javascript myself.

Martha

5:30 PM

@ArdaXi This is why my boss refuses to have anything to do with .Net. (And for once, I agree with him.)

Kit

@JSBangs No, that I can do without issue, because I can set the focus to the sending object. I need to set the focus to the next object instead.

Arda Xi

@Martha .NET is a great platform, you just need to know what you're doing.

JSBangs

@Martha don't blame .net for this

Kit

All of this is trivial though. I have the solution, I just need to know where to stash it.

Mr. Disappointment

@Kit I'm not entirely sure you need to store these in a custom dictionary, either, since the textbox control should have a TabIndex property which holds that information, and the textbox itself is the other information, right?

JSBangs

5:31 PM

@Kit surely there's a Page object somewhere that can store this info

Mr. Disappointment

Yes, if you're going to keep a separate solution for this, then maintaining a variable in the underlying code of the page on which it acts should suffice.

Kit

@MrDisappointment I could do it that way, but then I have to set the TabIndex for every control and I don't feel like doing that. Also, then I have to search the list of controls to find the correct one every time.

@JSBangs This is what I'm asking.

Mr. Disappointment

A) don't you need to type the index somewhere anyway? B) Won't you need to search the dictionary, regardless?

JSBangs

@Kit ah, well, i don't know enough about VB or asp.net to answer that. but i'm surprised to hear that the answer isn't trivial

Kit

@JSBangs It probably is.

JSBangs

5:34 PM

@Kit can't you just make it a member variable on your class?

Kit

@MrDisappointment A) There is a default, so I can be sloppy. B) The dictionary will have about six key-value pairs, so better than the Controls collection that has several dozen.

@JSBangs The scoping doesn't appear to work as expected. But maybe viewstate...?

JSBangs

@Kit might be premature optimization. the cost of searching through several dozen Controls is trivial

Mr. Disappointment

A) What, on the control itself? If so, then great, you already have the TabIndex property set! B) That's a negligible performance concern (see: Premature optimisation.)

It could be thousands before it becomes noticable.

Kit

@MrDisappointment A) Well, that would be true if Microsoft weren't a bunch of bitches. The TabIndex is null if it's not explicitly set. B) I'm not worried about performance.

JSBangs

what are you worried about?

z7sg

5:38 PM

I'm voting to close this chat as off-topic.

Mr. Disappointment

A) So what default are you talking of? B) Then what is better?

Kit

@MrDisappointment The tab order works if I don't set it. MS has some sort of algorithm to figure the default, I suppose, so no index is available unless I set it.

@JSBangs Where to put the dictionary.

Grace Note

@Kit I'd recommend the bookshelf in the study. It's fairly easy to remember when there.

JSBangs

@Kit now it clicked. you don't set the tab order at all. and it's probably not MS or asp.net setting the default tab order, but the browser itself.

Mr. Disappointment

Also, I thought you had a dictionary of controls and corresponding tab indices?

Kit

5:40 PM

@GraceNote That's a terrific idea. I have been keeping on the sideboard next to the claret.

@MrDisappointment Yes. That's the one I'm trying to figure out where to put.

JSBangs

this question is too simple for me and @MrDisappointment to be able to understand it

Mr. Disappointment

But I'm confused with contradictions: you don't have the tab index values??

So how are they in your own dictionary?

Kit

@MrDisappointment OK, not the real tab indices. The desired tab indices.

Mr. Disappointment

/head pulsates

Kit

The order in which I would like the controls to tab.

Mr. Disappointment

5:43 PM

Ooook, full circle: why don't you set the TabIndex property of the controls?

Kit

@MrDisappointment Because the tab index returns to the zero position on postback. And I don't want to have to specify the index for every control. And locating the next control in the sequence by using the tab index is a gigantic pain in the ass.

Mr. Disappointment

Not every control, just your TextBox controls.

I'm pretty sure ones that are set will take precedence over those that aren't - so conflicting, or incorrect tabbing shouldn't be an issue.

Kit

@MrDisappointment Hmm. Maybe it would work if I didn't specify for every one, but still finding the next based on the tab index is a pain.

Mr. Disappointment

What makes you say that?

Kit

Especially considering I can just look up the object in my dictionary and set focus.

Easy peasy.

@MrDisappointment Well, try it.

All I know is that this is much harder than it ought to be.

Mr. Disappointment

5:50 PM

Page.Controls.FirstOrDefault(lambda_expression_here)

ChaosGamer

Wow. Programmer dissucusion. I'm kinda uneasy on this subject...

Mr. Disappointment

Obviously the lambda would be something like c => c.TabIndex == theIndexYouWant

Which could, I presume, perhaps be calculated prior to searching, so no need to search multiple times.

A lambda in VB.NET takes a different form, BTW, something like: Function(c) c.TabIndex = ...

Kit

Oh for the love of Frigga. I forgot these controls are in a listview. throws computer against wall

@MrDisappointment Thank you. I hadn't thought of lambda functions.

Mr. Disappointment

No worries. And I didn't mean to drag this out, I just thought that maybe you were making this harder than it really ought to be.

Kit

What if I just write a function to return the next proper control?

Mr. Disappointment

5:55 PM

Giggidy-giggidy-gooo!

Kit

@MrDisappointment I don't know. I always feel like I'm re-inventing the wheel, which maybe I am because I'm that inexperienced, or maybe I am not because MS sucks too much to produce things that are useful.

JSBangs

@Kit i might respectfully suggest the former

z7sg

0

Q: Is there a word for referring to yourself in the third person?

Ed would like to know if there is a word to describe someone who refers to themself in the third person.

single-word-requests

why?

JSBangs

i'm tempted to close

seems like a stunt

z7sg

what is the close reason? NARQ?

Kit

5:58 PM

Ed's being funny.

JSBangs

oh, look. Sebi has crawled into my office, taken apart the laptop packaging, and is now eating the styrofoam. meh. probably won't hurt him too much

Kit

We could always ask him. He's come to chat before.

z7sg

He should be funny in chat!

JSBangs

i'm thinking NARQ

Mr. Disappointment

@Kit Microsoft have made some mistakes over the years, and will make more, but for the most part their products are solid quality, and they manage to keep a great amount of integrity, IMO.

JSBangs

5:59 PM

maybe... does it meet our guidelines for single-word-requests?

Mr. Disappointment

@Kit On the other hand, no matter how experienced you ever come to be, I know you'll know there will always be something you don't yet know. ;)

z7sg

it's nice to know the word though of course

Kit

@JSBangs I don't think you can respectfully suggest that. Now I don't like you anymore.

;P

JSBangs

@Kit i suppose i should just suggest it rudely, then

Kit

@MrDisappointment Well then, why can't they maintain tab order across postbacks?

Mr. Disappointment

6:01 PM

Just bloody suggest it, or don't!

JSBangs

they would maintain tab order across postbacks if you were setting the tab order correctly

Mr. Disappointment

@Kit I'd suggest that they can.

Indeed^.

JSBangs

but you said that you were relying on the browser's default tab order

Kit

@MrDisappointment @JSBangs Nuh-uh. They don't.

@JSBangs I tried setting the TabIndex explicitly already.

Mr. Disappointment

Are you adding the controls dynamically? And when do you set the index?

Kit

6:02 PM

@MrDisappointment No. In the markup.

JSBangs

@Kit that should work. i'm surprised that it doesn't. but i don't know the whole story

Kit

This is so frustrating!

Mr. Disappointment

@Kit If it is in the mark-up, then it is always there, can you check the rendered output mark-up to see if the attribute it set?

Also, some reading:

msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms178231.aspx

msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/…

Kit

@MrDisappointment Hang on. I'll start over from the beginning. I haven't had more than five hours of sleep in the last five days, so it's highly likely I just missed something somewhere.

Mr. Disappointment

Evidently, it was sleep.

Kit

6:07 PM

@MrDisappointment smiles tiredly

@MrDisappointment I read that one already.

@MrDisappointment This might be useful though.

Rhodri

2

Q: Why does using a word/phrase/acronym exessively cause the syllables to become more relaxed?

When working in a professional setting, especially in administration or technical fields, common words/phrases/acronyms get used quite frequently. I've noticed that the more they are used daily, the faster they are physically spoken and the more relaxed the syllables become in the word, often mak...

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Looks like your sort of question, @JSBangs

The title is wrong, mind you.

Kit

So apparently explicitly setting TabIndex means "ignore these controls completely."

Well, "put them at the bottom of the list."

JSBangs

@Rhodri there actually is a name for this

i just have to remember what it is

Kit

6:23 PM

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Q: Two consecutive "that", "that that"

I've encountered this sentence in a technical book: "A browsing context has a session history, which lists the Document objects that that browsing context has presented". What is the grammaticall role of each "that" here? Can we consider using two consecutive "that" as a poor writing style fro...

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Is this a dupe?

Seems like it.

JSBangs

@Kit yes

Rhodri

@JSBangs I thought there was, but I couldn't remember it either.

JSBangs

@Kit i voted to close and added a link to one of the dups

Kit

@JSBangs Oh, good, I had just found the one you linked to.

Rhodri

@Kit I found it too. It took some searching for.

Kit

6:29 PM

@EdGuiness Has Ed lost his mind? Is Ed playing a joke?

Martha

I'm too lazy to find the dupe of this:

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Q: Why do we use a leading dollar sign?

We express fifty dollars, not as "50$", but rather as "$50". Other units are expressed with a trailing symbol (20¢, 10m, 5kWh, 6oz). Why are dollars treated specially; what's the history behind this?

symbol measuring-units

JSBangs

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Q: What is the difference between 20$ and $20?

I am seeing both 20$ and $20 usages. (20 is nonessential to this question.) What is the difference between them?

symbol

Kit

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Q: Why is the unit of measure placed before the value for currencies? Are there other measures where the unit precedes value?

$1,000 is pronounced as "one thousand dollars". Reading from left to right, it seems like it would make more sense to write the value as: 1,000$. This way the pronunciation of the value follows the way it's written. Every other numerical value I can think of places the unit after the value: 1 k...

punctuation numbers measuring-units currency

JSBangs

actually, now i doubt myself

Kit

Also this, but there is no accepted answer.

JSBangs

6:30 PM

i think that Kit's dup is better

Martha

@Kit Ah, this is the one I was thinking of.

JSBangs

are there any frenchies here? what does zut alors actually mean?

@Alain?

Kit

alors means "then"

Arda Xi

Zut is just an interjection.

Has no special meaning besides that.

JSBangs

so it's basically "Oh, then!"

Kit

6:34 PM

Zut is like "heck" or something.

Oh darn then!

Maybe. But I'm not a native speaker.

Arda Xi

Conjunction
alors
then (at that time)
so; hence

Kit

And it's been years since I spoke or studied French.

JSBangs

i ask because this is the bug repro steps for the bug i'm currently looking at:

> Search for "batch job"
- voila, results
Search for "a batch job"
- zut alors! exceptione!

Kit

Funny.

@ArdaXi Neat. I didn't know it meant "hence" as well.

Ed Guiness

(catching up with chat) @JSBangs, not a stunt, a follow-up to @lizardbill's twitter question @Kit Still intact thx.

Kit

6:46 PM

@EdGuiness Good to hear it.

Anyone happen to know if I can pass a value through the OnTextChanged event handler in asp.net?

Rhodri

Hmm. I was about to cycle home, but the heavens have opened. Guess I'm staying at work for a bit, then.

Arda Xi

@Kit Honestly, a bit of Javascript would probably make your life a lot easier.

Kit

@ArdaXi Can't do it, any more than I can not use VB.

Cerberus

I thought that zut! was negative, like shit!?

Arda Xi

@Kit But... you're using Javascript already.

Rhodri

6:53 PM

@Kit There must be a "VB Anonymous" meeting somewhere near you, surely?

Kit

@ArdaXi Not really.

Arda Xi

@Kit Yeah really.

There's no way for a page to send anything when a field loses focus without Javascript.

Kit

Really? Is that what's going on when I call a function from the code behind?

Arda Xi

@Kit When you're using an event handler, ASP.NET uses Javascript behind the scenes to make it happen.

Certain event handlers, anyway.

You're not writing Javascript, I'll grant you that, but it's impossible to accomplish what you say you did without using Javascript.

Kit

@ArdaXi I'm not writing scripts, so it's not an option. What ASP.Net does on its own time is its own business.

Arda Xi

6:57 PM

@Kit I realise. Was just pointing it out.

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