English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

user19161

12:02 AM

@Cerberus Well, putting various factors together, it seems to be the best place for me, at least that's how I see it this life. The liberal culture, mathematics, girls etc...

Cerberus

What if you compare it to Belgium, Holland, Austria, Switzerland, or Scandinavia?

Or Luxembourg.

user19161

Well, I don't know that much about Europe, and you missed Denmark. But ya I actually thought about it a long time. The answer is still Germany!

user19161

I think my second choice will be France, for similar reasons!

trg787

e.g. I open a book .... by Richard Aldington " All people are enemies' I read it almost freely. In Russian you cant to read such texts.

Cerberus

Denmark is part of Scandinavia, and, yeah, France is nice as well.

In most respects, the more prosperous countries of Europe are all equally pleasant to live in.

Where do you live?

user19161

12:10 AM

Oh ya, just remembered reading the various definitions of Scandinavia, which includes Denmark. Before I give the answer, any guesses?

trg787

Perelman was fired from his institute. Now what? He refused from a mln dollars

user19161

@trg787 I only read those translated into English, by Georgi Shilov. Maybe you have heard of him. Then there's Kolmogorov and Fomin.

user19161

@trg787 He should give the money to me.

trg787

Shilov - a painter? The latter I know

user19161

@trg787 No the mathematician.

Cerberus

12:13 AM

I am at a loss... I could ask you yes–no questions and try to guess?

user19161

@Cerberus You asked me where I live, in case you forgot!

Cerberus

Anything related to geographical location would not be allowed, such as "do you live in Europe?".

Kit

@Cerberus Oh, that's a fun game.

Cerberus

@JasperLoy I know! But if I should try and guess, I'd be at a loss. So I thought perhaps a guessing game might be fun.

@Kit At least you understand! Robusto and Reg used to tease me and refuse to participate when I made them guess stuff.

user19161

@Cerberus Oh I see, I read your question as a rhetorical statement, or sth like that!

Cerberus

12:16 AM

Is English an official language in your country?

user19161

@Cerberus OK you can ask me to guess, or if you give up I'll tell you the answer.

user19161

@Cerberus That is a very smart question. It will narrow down a lot. Answer: yes.

Cerberus

Hehe.

user19161

@Kit Hello Kit. Someone asked whether your avatar is a fox, and I know reg gave you a present which he does not want to tell me about.

bracho monacho

That was me!

Cerberus

12:18 AM

Is the current day temperature higher than 50 degrees Fahrenheit?

Kit

Yes.

user19161

@Cerberus Let me convert to Celcius first.

Kit

@Cerberus I used to guess people's ages based on significant events they could remember from their childhood.

Cerberus

No!

Celsius is even better.

bracho monacho

@JasperLoy 10 degrees C

Cerberus

12:20 AM

Exactly.

@Kit Ah that is cool too. Can you guess me?

Or do you know my age already?

Kit

@Cerberus I might. Are you 27?

Cerberus

No.

So do me!

Kit

I probably couldn't guess because of the different cultural backgrounds, but I could try.

Cerberus

But remember, my memory is generally bad, and I know nothing about pop culture.

Kit

What's the first war you remember?

Cerberus

12:21 AM

@Kit Yeah, that might make it rather difficult.

The first Gulf War.

user19161

@Cerberus Yes, it is higher than 10 C.

Cerberus

I think... at least that's the first one that pops to mind.

@JasperLoy Is it higher than 20 C?

user19161

@Cerberus Yes.

Cerberus

(Let's take yesterday's temperature at noon.)

rest_day

@JasperLoy reg. community wiking my post, do I? I guess i did it for a couple of my earlier posts, but not anymore?

Cerberus

12:23 AM

Higher than 30 C?

Kit

@Cerberus Problem is, my usual ace-in-the-hole is, Who is the first president that you remember?

Cerberus

Bush sr... but that probably doesn't work, as you say.

Kit

@Cerberus Right. Because you'd remember him because of the Gulf War.

user19161

@Cerberus I didn't check the weather report which also varies from report to report, but in general, yes, or around there!

Cerberus

Be creative! It will be interesting to see whether you can jump the intercultural boundary.

@Kit Yes, and from television.

Kit

12:24 AM

Okay then. Space mission?

Cerberus

@Kit Ehh... I don't remember anything about space missions, sorry.

Except from history lessons.

user19161

@rest_day Ya, sth like that. It's OK, just wondering.

Cerberus

@JasperLoy Does the coastline of your country exceed 1000 km?

user19161

This is getting confusing, too many conversations!

user19161

@Cerberus Let me check!

Kit

12:26 AM

First significant political event?

Cerberus

That means it must be somewhat close to 1000 km...

bracho monacho

@Cerberus Is asking what his time zone offset is, allowed?

Cerberus

@Kit I remember watching the fall of the Berlin Wall on television... not sure I remember anything earlier.

Kit

32?

Cerberus

@brachomonacho Hmm I think not. Sorry!

@Kit Nope!

Kit

12:28 AM

I must be close though, right?

Cerberus

Somewhat... but not quite.

user19161

@Cerberus Yes, less than 1000 km if I checked correctly.

user19161

@Cerberus And it does not mean it is close. I checked cos I dunno.

Cerberus

@JasperLoy OK. Do you have large areas of desert?

@JasperLoy Oh, ok.

user19161

@Cerberus No large areas of desert, this one I can answer without checking!

Cerberus

12:30 AM

Ah ok.

@JasperLoy Are most of your people Christians?

Kit

Trouble is, the space program was a big deal in the US. If you had no recollection here, I'd know you were younger than me. First president usually narrows the gap significantly too. Berlin Wall plus Gulf War usually means somewhere in your thirties.

user19161

@Cerberus Shit I need to check this too!

Kit

So the question is, what else can I use to narrow it down?

First Olympics you watched?

user19161

@Cerberus No!

Cerberus

@Kit I know, it is hard! I'd have no idea what to ask myself.

@Kit Hmm sorry, no idea. I never cared for watching sports.

Kit

12:32 AM

Damn. Not even World Cup?

Cerberus

@JasperLoy Is there a large minority of Christians, more than 10%?

bracho monacho

@Cerberus: Is asking about the length of the longest river in his country cheating?

user19161

@Cerberus Looks like yes, from my source.

Cerberus

@brachomonacho No! That is an excellent question. Ask away!

@JasperLoy OK. More than 30 %?

user19161

@Cerberus From my source, no!

Cerberus

12:34 AM

@JasperLoy Are the majority Muslims?

bracho monacho

@JasperLoy Is your longest river more than 400km in length?

Kit

Gotta change into something more comfortable. BRB.

user19161

@brachomonacho That is cheating.

bracho monacho

@JasperLoy Why?

Cerberus

@Kit OK.

user19161

12:35 AM

@Cerberus No, no need to check this one!

Cerberus

@JasperLoy I don't think that's cheating... why?

@JasperLoy Hindus?

user19161

@brachomonacho No I meant that he is only supposed to ask yes and no questions!

Cerberus

By the way, we guessers are not allowed to look anything up!

bracho monacho

oic... Carry on, then =)

This is interesting

user19161

@Cerberus Really, you can look up if you want to, otherwise you might never get it!

Cerberus

12:36 AM

@JasperLoy But that is a yes–no question...

@JasperLoy No, I don't want to. No fun.

user19161

@Cerberus I misread the question. Sorry, too fast for me! I can't multitask!

user19161

@Cerberus Hindus less than 10 per cent!

user19161

I think after this game is over I will just put it in my profile.

bracho monacho

@JasperLoy Do you have large areas of rainforest

?

user19161

Kit is back after changing into her sexy clothes!

Cerberus

12:39 AM

Good question.

Kit

@JasperLoy Not sexy clothes. Roomier monitor.

user19161

@brachomonacho That is not very well-defined question, so can't answer.

Kit

Netbook -> laptop

bracho monacho

@JasperLoy But you answered Cerberus': "Do you have large areas of desert?"

user19161

@brachomonacho I see well rainforest is a bit hard to understand exactly what it refers to, but I would say no as well.

Cerberus

12:41 AM

@JasperLoy Are more than 20% of you Buddhists, Shintoists, or Confucianists?

@JasperLoy Rainforest is tropical forest.

user19161

@Cerberus Yes

Cerberus

@JasperLoy Now we're getting closer...

user19161

@Cerberus I wouldn't know the exact area that's the problem

Cerberus

@JasperLoy Were you once colonized by Britain?

user19161

@Cerberus I think you are getting really close. Yes!

Cerberus

12:43 AM

Hmm... is it Burma?

user19161

@Cerberus You mean Burma? No!

bracho monacho

@JasperLoy Are orangutans a native species?

Cerberus

Hmm... let me think...

user19161

@brachomonacho Let me check

user19161

@brachomonacho According to my source, not quite!

user19161

12:45 AM

Hello @wanda.

Cerberus

Does your country possess nuclear warheads?

Wanda

Good day.

Cerberus

Good day!

We're trying to guess where Jasper lives.

bracho monacho

@JasperLoy Were there riots in the capital last year?

user19161

@Cerberus I think no but let me check

user19161

12:47 AM

@brachomonacho There are things now and then, but riots, no!

user19161

@Cerberus OK no nuclear weapons.

Cerberus

This is intriguing... do 90 % or more of your people live on a single island?

user19161

@grace no.

user19161

@grace I mean hello.

Cerberus

Haha.

user19161

12:48 AM

@Cerberus Yes, I think so!

Cerberus

Then it must be Sri Lanka!

user19161

@Cerberus No

Cerberus

Dang.

Kit

Azores?

Cerberus

It had more than 1000 km coastline, right?

Or did I remember incorrectly?

user19161

12:50 AM

@Cerberus Less than 1000km

Cerberus

Oh! Shoot. My bad.

Then I've been looking in the wrong corner.

user19161

@Cerberus According to my source at least.

Cerberus

Do you have a lot of oil?

user19161

@Cerberus No. I am sorry there was confusion over the coastline.

Cerberus

It was probably my fault.

Did the Dutch have a trading post there?

bracho monacho

12:53 AM

@JasperLoy Does the capital appear in the movie Entrapment?

user19161

@brachomonacho Never watch.

Cerberus

I think I know. But I won't try until I'm sure, this time.

user19161

@Cerberus Need to check.

Cerberus

Do most of the people work in services?

user19161

@Cerberus According to my source, it was 'unoccupied by the Dutch'

Cerberus

12:56 AM

Hmm...

user19161

@Cerberus Services, hmm seems likely.

Cerberus

Is it officially at war with another country at the moment?

user19161

@Cerberus No, we are very peaceful.

Cerberus

Not even officially, even though the last actual fighting occurred decades ago?

Wanda

Singapore?

user19161

12:59 AM

I am afraid Wanda has gotten it!

Wanda

Yay!

Cerberus

Huh? Oh, dear... I thought Singapore was mostly Muslim... my bad again.

user19161

@Cerberus It's mostly Chinese.

Cerberus

Ah, I was very wrong.

user19161

@Wanda You are not from Singapore yourself?

Cerberus

1:01 AM

Alas, Wanda snatched the prize away right under my eyes!

user19161

@Cerberus It's actually very small so it might not even appear on some maps.

Kit

Way to swoop, @Wanda!

Cerberus

I know....

Wanda

I am not @Jasper

user19161

@Kit Have you guessed Cerberus age?

Cerberus

1:02 AM

The only reason I excluded it was because I mistakenly assumed it was 50 % + Muslim like Malaysia.

bracho monacho

Bummer, I thought Singapore for a while, but then I had a brainfart and thought the coastline was too short (thinking >1000km again, instead of less than).

Wanda

Hahaha, I apologise Cerberus. By rights, Cerberus should have won this, as he put far more effort into it than I did. My approach was rather different.

user19161

@Cerberus We separated from Malaysia a few decades ago.

Cerberus

@Wanda Nope! It is not effort that counts but success!

user19161

@Wanda What is your approach?

Cerberus

1:03 AM

@JasperLoy I know you're independent, but it's just the religion that fooled me. Stuff happens!

bracho monacho

@Cerberus: Can I guess 33?

Wanda

I googled your name and found your yearbook @JasperLoy.

Cerberus

@brachomonacho Nope! Kit guessed 32, but I told her "not quite".

user19161

@Wanda Oh shit. That's where I got the photo from, hahaha!

Wanda

I know! Hahaha

user19161

1:04 AM

@Cerberus We can all guess Cerberus age now!

user19161

@Wanda I'll change that photo when I look better...

Cerberus

@JasperLoy By all means, try! But I'm afraid it would be very difficult to find questions that would give you accurate information...

And no need to change it, you look fine.

Wanda

You look fine, Jasper.

bracho monacho

@Cerberus Oh, I thought by that you meant, "close, but no banana".

user19161

@Cerberus Is your age between 30 and 35? Or is that cheating?

Cerberus

1:07 AM

@brachomonacho Well, close is relative...

@JasperLoy Hmm I think that would be cheating...

Kit tried to guess by asking about things I remembered from my youth. But that's just very difficult.

user19161

@Cerberus Are you married?

Cerberus

Nope! Good question.

user19161

Actually, it's not that good.

Wanda

Do you have a graduate degree?

Like an MA, I mean.

user19161

@Wanda Good question!

Wanda

1:13 AM

We'll see @JasperLoy

Kit

Sorry. I stopped paying attention. I see we're back to guessing @Cerberus's age.

user19161

@Kit Yes and I was checking out what you asked him, only mention of recalling the gulf war and watching berlin wall on tv.

Kit

Yeah. My other usual questions are too US specific.

@Cerberus Favorite cartoon?

Cerberus

@Wanda Not yet, but I should have, hehe. In my country, we usually get them at a later age then in America, I believe.

Wanda

The Netherlands, am I correct?

Cerberus

1:15 AM

@Kit Ehm, possibly Dexter's Lab, or Ducktales...

@Wanda Yup correct.

But I have three majors, so the MA thing might be confusing.

user19161

It seems Cerberus is around my age. 27?

Cerberus

Close.

Kit

He's older than you and younger than me.

Somewhere near 30.

user19161

@Kit Sure?

Kit

@JasperLoy I'd be surer if he were American.

Or ever watched the Olympics.

Cerberus

1:18 AM

Hehe.

Understandable.

Kit

Or if I knew which cartoons were contemporaneous in foreign countries.

It's really throwing me off.

user19161

But he said he saw the berlin wall on tv, that was 1981?

Kit

1989.

user19161

@Kit Shit, my history.

Cerberus

I think most of the cartoons we watched weren't new episodes at all.

Kit

1:19 AM

@Cerberus This is what I'm saying.

Cerberus

I remember my mother explained why the wall was important and what it meant for those people.

Kit

If you'd said Looney Tunes, well, that wouldn't have helped at all.

user19161

Cerberus, exactly 30?

Cerberus

@Kit Yeah, I knows...

Kit

@Cerberus Which is why you must be younger than me.

Cerberus

1:19 AM

@JasperLoy Nope!

@Kit Because you understood perfectly?

I don't remember Chernobyl.

user19161

Actually guessing age is already cheating, cos we can just run through all the numbers!

Cerberus

@JasperLoy Exactly.

Kit

Oh Frigga. I forgot that you probably had more world news awareness.

Wanda

@JasperLoy, yes, not many to brute force.

Cerberus

@Kit Possibly so. Berlin is quite close.

user19161

1:21 AM

This time @wanda cannot google anymore because Cerberus is just a 3-headed dog.

Cerberus

Indeed, brute-forcing is not allowed.

Kit

And your culture is probably less umm...

What do you call it?

Wanda

Actually I think I have his name. His age is more challenging though.

Cerberus

@JasperLoy Do you see why my name is perfect for the internet?

Kit

"If it doesn't happen here, who cares?"

user19161

1:22 AM

@Wanda How do you have his name, unless you already know him?

Cerberus

@Wanda You do? I suppose that might not be hard, with the link on my profile...

Wanda

Indeed, @Cerberus

user19161

Oh ya.

Cerberus

I decided that those willing to look at our website were worthy of stalking me.

Can you see my e-mail address on my profile page?

Wanda

I cannot.

Cerberus

1:24 AM

Oh ok.

user19161

@Wanda Only the mods or high rep can?

Wanda

I would not know, I am rather new here.

Kit

@JasperLoy I think mods only.

Cerberus

@Wanda Then I wonder how you know who I am exactly... there are several names on the site?

user19161

@Kit I just learned that kit is a car from knight rider!

Cerberus

1:26 AM

You Facebooked all the names?

Wanda

I took a guess. The others are doctors or have master's degrees.

Kit

@JasperLoy No, it's not. KITT is a car from Knight Rider.

user19161

@kit Your website is a hoax!

Cerberus

How did you find their degrees: Google? Facebook?

Wanda

Kit

1:27 AM

@JasperLoy It's not my website. I have no affiliation with Knight Industries.

Cerberus

Right.

user19161

@Kit Haha, Matt enlightened me yesterday while you were not here.

Wanda

hmmm

Cerberus

That would seem to work.

I suppose you could have done it without the titles by just comparing information on Linkedin and Facebook.

user19161

@bracho What was the place referenced in that what movie was it?

Kit

1:30 AM

@JasperLoy I had no idea that Matt knew about that. makes notes

user19161

@Kit No need to make notes. You can see it in what is called the transcript.

Kit

@JasperLoy Yes. I was joking.

user19161

@Kit Me too.

Wanda

26?

Cerberus

Nope.

user19161

1:34 AM

@robusto I thought you went cooking!

Robusto

I did. That was like 4 hours ago. How long do you think it takes to cook tenderloin?

Wanda

Were British television shows broadcast in the Netherlands?

user19161

@Robusto We are trying to guess Cerberus's age here. And they just guessed where I live now.

Cerberus

@Wanda Always! But probably with some delay.

Robusto

Cerberus? Hmm ... I'd say 28.

Cerberus

1:36 AM

Hey you're not supposed to brute force me.

At least not like this. Questions must be asked.

Robusto

Was I right? Oh, well, chalk it up to my carnival background.

user19161

Previously I thought Cerberus was in his 40s.

Cerberus

I can't answer any specific age questions. My age must be guessed based on cultural or educational etc. background...

@JasperLoy Haha, not sure that is a compliment.

Robusto

I'm sticking with 28.

Wanda

Are you in full time employment?

user19161

1:38 AM

But I know Robusto has a college-age son from one of his questions, so @robusto is probably in his 50s.

Cerberus

@Wanda Nope.

Robusto

Nope.

Cerberus

@Robusto I'm sticking you in a jar if you don't stop.

user19161

@Cerberus I think he was replying to me.

Cerberus

@JasperLoy Could be... he is a mischievous imp, so there's no telling what he will do...

user19161

1:40 AM

@Cerberus Robusto is probably in his 40s or 60s then.

Robusto

@Cerberus — Heh, you think me Tyrion Lannister, Ser Kerberos?

Cerberus

@Robusto Alas, I don't know that book...

Robusto

@Cerberus — Books.

Cerberus

@JasperLoy Possibly so... but I couldn't comment on that.

Robusto

Geez, how old do you think I am?

user19161

1:43 AM

@Robusto How was the steak? I think you are in your 60s!

Cerberus

Haha, poor man...

Robusto

@JasperLoy — Good and rare. And good and wrong.

Kit

I've gotta go focus on coding. kiss kiss all.

Cerberus

Good luck! And happy battling!

Wanda

Hmm, to refine my guessing, I need to ask: at what age does compulsory education terminate in NL? @Cerberus

Cerberus

1:47 AM

@Wanda Ehm, I think it was lowered to 16 recently. It was probably compulsory up to and including 17 when I was in school. but I'm not sure.

Note that several types of high school here might continue after that age.

Wanda

Ah, I see.

It is surprisingly difficult to guess an exact year. Do you have your own home?

Cerberus

Yes, but I rent it.

Wanda

Let me rephrase that: do you live at home?

Cerberus

With my parents? No.

Wanda

I'm going to go with 28.

if I'm wrong, I'm out.

Cerberus

1:58 AM

Ding!

You're right.

Wanda

How was Italy?

Cerberus

No checking Facebook or Linkedin?

I went to France, and very nice!

Have you been abroad this summer, or are you going to?

Wanda

I doubt it, haha. I do not get to travel much.

Robusto

@Cerberus — Hey, I said it first!

Grace Note

Twice, no less

Cerberus

2:01 AM

@Robusto But you probably heard my mentioning it some time or other.

Grace Note

You've a carnival background, @Robusto?

Robusto

@Cerberus — Yeah, go ahead and discount my contribution. I'm used to it. No respect.

Cerberus

@Wanda Hmm, why not? Not that I am one of those people who MUST travel whenever they can, but I'm not averse to it either, as long as it is moderately comfortable.

Robusto

@GraceNote — Well, I went to a few. Does that count?

Cerberus

@Robusto You have your reps.

Grace Note

2:02 AM

@Robusto You apparently count it as such

Robusto

@GraceNote — I can also make hollandaise sauce. That's better than carnivals.

Grace Note

:1371926 Mentioned prior to your starred response on brute forcing, then it was re-asserted that he's sticking with 28

Wanda

@Cerberus: my wage enables me to live comfortably but little more. I am saving up for something like a nice holiday.

Robusto

@Cerberus — If I were a sales organization I'd have reps. Here I have only rep. Pineäpple.

Grace Note

@Robusto I was just wondering if you're one of those good reader type folk who can read people easily (like in a carnival age-guessing booth)

Robusto

2:04 AM

@GraceNote — I am pretty good at reading people. But not really ages. Truth is, I cheated on the @Cerberus age game — by peering within his soul.

Grace Note

I see, I see

Cerberus

@GraceNote Yeah I got it upon rereading. My apologies (I am known for my slowness around these parts).

Grace Note

@Cerberus No worries

Wanda

I also cheated by examining the year he finished secondary school.

Grace Note

I'd say I'm an easy guess but I'm almost at my birthday, so it's easy to be off by one.

Cerberus

2:06 AM

@Wanda Oh, understandable. Though travelling can be quite cheap if necessary... I don't know where you live, but a train to Paris and back costs about € 60 here, a cheap hotel € 30 a night...

@Robusto Not quite. I think reps is the more frequent term in this chat room. And frequency = grammaticality, or so were are led to believe on this site.

Wanda

@Cerberus I went to Paris last year. I suppose I could keep going to France but I'd like to save up for something a bit more exotic; perhaps a trip to China.

Robusto

@Cerberus — Oh. I didn't know we had our own regional dialect in here. My bad.

Cerberus

@Wanda Ah, yes, China would be interesting. I might like to go there some day.

Grace Note

Reps is a bit of meh, though. It's adding plural to a... there's a term for a word that doesn't imply quantity, isn't there?

Cerberus

@Robusto If you were a dog, I'd bite you.

Robusto

2:09 AM

@Cerberus — Go ahead and bite me. :)

Cerberus

@GraceNote An uncountable noun?

@Robusto bites bites bites

Grace Note

@Cerberus That's probably it.

Robusto

Newspaper editors would have a field day: "Dog bites man" is the Holy Grail of news headlines.

Grace Note

@Robusto I thought "scorpions on a plane" was pretty fetching, myself.

Cerberus

@Robusto Man Bijt Hond is actually a well-known television programme here.

Robusto

2:12 AM

@Cerberus — Well, now you know where they got it.

Cerberus

It is supposed to be a weird news headline, so, yes.

Robusto

CYA.

Wanda

I should probably get to work. I shall return in a little while. Nice to meet you all.

Cerberus

Adios, do come back!

I should be off too...

Bye all!

user19161

Bye, I'm still here though.

Matt Ellen

6:12 AM

@JasperLoy: generate a new tile: imgur.com/6aZMC

bracho monacho

6:29 AM

@JasperLoy I was thinking of the movie Entrapment#Filming_locations), in which the final scenes were shot in Malaysia.

bracho monacho

6:40 AM

(Oops, I meant "Entrapment").

@JasperLoy Apologies for disappearing before without so much as a goodbye... (Was quite crook there for a while, hence the sickie from work.) Was nice talking to you, @Cerberus & @Kit!

Jez

8:00 AM

morning peeps

Jez

8:46 AM

I made a mistake yesterday. I fired up Heroes of Might and Magic II again.

Now I'm gonna be addicted for the next few months.

Alain Pannetier

Bonjour Jez!

trg787

Bon jour, @Alain! ...... Really your lang sounds as a very native......

In my ecole we sang songs abt Cadauxrousell

Alain Pannetier

Hi @trg787 That's "Cadet Rousselle" I believe.

Cadet Rousselle

"Cadet Rousselle" was a popular French song that satirized a French bailiff by the name of Guillaume (William) Rousselle, widely known as Cadet Rousselle. The man Guillaume Rousselle was born in Orgelet, Jura on April 30, 1743, and died in Auxerre on January 28, 1807. In his 1945 book on Cadet Rousselle, Pierre Pinsseau details Rousselle's life in Auxerre beginning with his 1783 arrival in the town. The circumstances and exact date of Guillaume Rousselle's arrival in Auxerre are unknown, but it is believed to be 1763, one year after the death of his father. His first jobs included work as ...

trg787

haha... of course @Alain... I've forgot everything... Cadet I thought it's as Cadeaux...

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