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Mr. Disappointment

8:01 PM

What's @Robusto getting so uptight about? To many @Robustos?

user19161

@Robusto Oh I'm sorry if you were offended by my reference to you earlier on. No offence intended!

Mr. Disappointment

Ooooh, @Robusto is gonna be pissed.

I know it. You're just poking the bear every time you @Robusto.

You don't get the inbox alert if you read the message in-chat within 15 minutes

giggle Troublemaking is fun.

8:04 PM

@MichaelMrozek Only if you properly ack it.

user19161

Hey can you guys tell me what's going on here?

Get off my freakin' lawn, alla yas.

@Robusto pukes rainbows

@Robusto Scares bears

@JasperLoy We're messing with Robusto because we think he's being a dick to you right now.

And he's usually very nice.

So he must be feeling grouchy.

Mr. Disappointment

8:06 PM

OK, I'm out - this is getting ridiculous, sorry @Robusto.

That's right. Blame the victim.

That's @Robusto for you.

That means, it's the perfect time to tease him into being angry.

user19161

@Robusto Really I'm sorry if I hurt you in anyway.

@psmears Yeah the no-fun part strikes home. Oh, well, we'll what happens; things may improve eventually. France was relaxed and pleasant, as always!

Mr. Disappointment

8:07 PM

And it's always better the devil you @Robusto.

Because it's good when things go fro bad to worse, eh @Robusto!

@Kit — Takes more than that to make me angry. But if you mess with me, I just might mess with you.

user19161

Don't mess with Robusto guys, otherwise he might think that I'm messing with him, and I'm not.

@Robusto Ok. I yield. rolls on back to show furry tummy, tongue lolling

Mr. Disappointment

@Kit Typical.

Always flirting.

8:08 PM

You know, I'm not the one who started it. cough @MrDisappointment

Mr. Disappointment

stares daggers @JasperLoy

I'd pipe in but then I'd have to find a contrived reason to ping @Robusto.

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@MrDisappointment I didn't say "crouches down and sticks butt in the air" now, did I?

@RegDwight I'm not sure why Nohat decided to buy wine in a grocery store if he is such a connoisseur. I don't know enough about wines to care, but I'd go to a wine shop. Europe and America have much the same wines at any rate: they are all imported from the same vinyards all over the world. There shouldn't be any difference in quality.

Mr. Disappointment

@Cerberus Certain places in America have decent local wines, though.

8:10 PM

@Cerberus I think the amount of travelling a wine does might affect its quality

its quality, @Matt

Mr. Disappointment

I'll not be so bold so as to say they're any good, but Seattle has a nice little wine culture.

@Kit FARK. I was so concerned with affect/effect I added an apostrophe.

@MattEllen I was about to say, you've still got time!

@MattEllen affect, too. Sorry.

8:12 PM

@MrDisappointment I'm sure they do! Holland certainly doesn't.

@MattEllen We're closer to France!

@Kit I though effect for the verb and affect for the noun?

@Cerberus that we are :D

@MattEllen Other way around.

In this context.

While you're discussing, I'll just fix it.

@Kit I don't have the verbal accument to tell if you're messing or serious

Mr. Disappointment

@RegDwight The wine 'problem'?

8:13 PM

@MattEllen Seriosity in this scenario

@Cerberus Where I live wine shops only sell overpriced wines and the large selections at grocery stores are excellent and have good values

@MattEllen I'm not teasing. Thank you for using "acumen."

@RegDwight Hey, don't call me an it just because I am a dog, and keep your hands of me!

Who says I might not want offspring?

@Kit BAH. I shall suck my mint and be silent until I can spell.

@Cerberus Thwack!

8:14 PM

I like wine, but not enough to pay $30 a bottle except on special occasions

@RegDwight Thwack! for ambiguous antecedents!

@nohat But are those the really large grocery stores?

@Cerberus — All the top wines come in a box, right?

@Robusto Just the one.

@Robusto no no. the best wines come in a pouch!

8:15 PM

@Robusto Wrom what I hear, that might be no longer the "case".

Did you guys ever see that Jerry Springer episode?

@Kit Huh wha? I seriously have no idea.

@Cerberus Honestly, I buy more than 3/4 my wine from Trader Joe's, which is a medium-sized grocery store

@Kit Thanks! That was a nice spank.

@Kit Yes, that one!

8:16 PM

The rest I buy mostly directly at the wineries

La-di-da!

There are benefits to living in one of the world's top wine-producing regions :-)

I buy my wine at BJ's, which is like Costco. And I buy it in New Hampshire, where there's no tax on it at all. So I get a decent $30 bottle of wine for about $15.

With the guy who was cheating on his girlfriend and the video lead-in had the man (gross overweight redneck) in an inflatable hot tub in his trailer with his mistress, drinking wine from a box and eating Cheetos?

@nohat I suspect that your medium-sized store is huge compared to ours: I hate the ones here. But if you go to some larger store outside the city centre, they will have a far broader selection.

8:17 PM

See, to each his own. Nohat gets to visit wineries, I only ever look at whineries.

And the Cheetos were floating in the hot tub, and he had a sex swing, and shudders I still have nightmares.

In the case of my wine-purchasing in Amsterdam, I was shopping with my hosts and we just swung by the wine aisle in the medium-sized grocery store and picked up a couple bottles

BTW, apropos of this conversation, if you haven't seen Sideways I recommend it. It's about an odd-couple of college friends who go on a wine tour in Sonoma. Very funny.

Well I am noöne to judge.

20 secs ago, by Kit

Sometimes I think I'm just talking to myself.

8:18 PM

@nohat Do you remember where this store was exactly?

@Kit Unfortunately, no, I read all that and do so regret it.

sucks on a mint

Was it Albert Heijn?

Yep, it was on Westerstraat in the Jordaan

@Robusto I found it depressing.

8:19 PM

Hello @Kit and welcome to chat! Are you new here?

@RegDwight I...I..what...Are you talking to me?

@Kit I often am talking to myself. But I remember that it's okay so long as I know it's my voice I'm listening to

so yes I guess it was an Albert Heijn

@Kit — Yeah, but it is a comedy. No comedy without pain.

@Robusto True dat.

8:20 PM

@nohat Hmm I don't remember that specific store. But I do not doubt that stores in your area have a better selection, especially if decent wines are produced not far from there. Nice.

Mr. Disappointment

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Q: I am curious if anyone has a good explanation of the difference between what someone would call a "quotation" or "quote" and a "saying"?

It can't simply be that the word "quote" seems more formal than "saying" can it?

differences meanings

Getsssssssss.

They look and are spelled very differently

@MrDisappointment I'm tempted to say a saying is something people say whereas a quotation is something someone said

I could actually answer that. I actually know the answer to a question.

@nohat Can I say you on that?

8:22 PM

@RegDwight I nearly spat out my mint

@RegDwight You can quote whatever you want

Right. Sorry. May I?

At least, I thought I did. I had the phantom of intelligence for a moment.

But Dwig and nohat made me doubt myself.

@GraceNote Is that better than the phantom of the rapra?

@GraceNote Quick, before it gets away

8:23 PM

@GraceNote You probably can. Even I can answer the question

@RegDwight Thwack

Phantom of the Rapra

Phantom of the Rapra is the second album by rapper Bushwick Bill. Track listing #"Phantom's Theme" - 1:06 #"Wha Cha Gonna Do" - 4:07 #"Times Is Hard" - 4:16 #"Who's The Biggest" (feat. CJ Mac) - 3:52 #"Ex-Girlfriend" - 4:53 #"Only God Knows" (feat. CJ Mac)- 4:04 #"Already Dead" - 4:20 #"The Bushwicken" - 4:06 #"Subliminal Criminal" (feat. Sherm) - 3:30 #"Inhale Exhale" (feat. Menace Clan) - 3:57 #"Mr. President" (feat. 3D of RAG) - 4:30 #"Phantom's Reprise" - 1:13 Production *executive producer: James A. Smith *produced by John Bido, Mike Dean, Mad, CJ, Swift, Bushwick & Freddie Young ...

Did you see my answer for the simpler /more simple question? sheesh!

When the plumber gives you an estimate on what it will take to fix the toilet, that's a quote. If it's on really fancy paper, it's a quotation.

@Kit Thwack Bushwick Bill pls.

8:24 PM

@MattEllen I'm pretty sure you stand a decidedly better chance at answering this kind of question than I would, so I think your encouragement fell short. Thanks for the attempt, though. ♪

@Robusto That's what you say.

@RegDwight — You knew I'd say that.

@Robusto Say it isn't so!

@RegDwight thwack for trying to get out of thwacking

It ain't necessarily so.

8:25 PM

Say You, Say Me

"Say You, Say Me" is a Oscar winning song, written and recorded by Lionel Richie for the film White Nights, starring Mikhail Baryshnikov and Gregory Hines. The single hit number one on the Billboard Hot 100 and R&B singles charts. in December 1985. It became Richie's ninth number one on the Billboard Adult Contemporary chart. The track is not available on the soundtrack album to the film, because Motown did not want Richie's first single since the Can't Slow Down album to appear on another record label. It finally appeared on the Dancing on the Ceiling album released in 1986. The track ...

I have to jiggity jets. Later my peeps.

Say you later!

see ya!

@Kit — This is how people talk in Kansas?

@RegDwight For a long time I thought that Gregory Hines and Lionel Richie were the same person.

8:26 PM

If my understanding is correct, a "quote" or "quotation" generally has importance towards citing the original speaker, either as a measure of courtesy or because the speaker is important information. Comparatively, a "saying" has no overtly recognized author and is more of a general phrase or context that is passed around verbally and writtenly throughout society.

Mr. Disappointment

Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas any more.

@Kit And for a long time, they were. But then something happened!

@Robusto I'm not in Kansas, and have no expertise in that arena.

@GraceNote yep. That's what I would say (more or less, obviously I'm not inside your head!)

Calling Kansas an arena proves that.

8:27 PM

@Kit — Kansas is a state, not an arena.

Interesting factoid about Kansas: the center of the contiguous US is there.

And I've had sex on it.

Jinx!

Kansas is also flatter than a pancake! improbable.com/airchives/paperair/volume9/v9i3/kansas.html

@Kit You're overdoing it.

@MattEllen You probably have proper grammatical constructs and vocabulary in your version, though.

8:27 PM

improbable.com/airchives/paperair/volume9/v9i3/kansas.html

Jinx!

@RegDwight Yes, except this one is actually true.

Cokes all around!

w007!!!1eleven

Nobody really lives in Kansas, either. Not really.

not any more. not since Dorothy left

8:28 PM

Mar 2 at 14:23, by RegDwight

user image

Mr. Disappointment

What's he sampling?

I once drove through Kansas, north to south, at night. There was a full moon and I was in a convertible, and eventually to keep from falling asleep I switched off the headlights and drove by moonlight. True story.

Thanks for Kansas. Really going now.

The fact that "verbal communication" means spoken communication drives me nuts.

@Kit good luck!

8:29 PM

@GraceNote Peeving is off-topic here.

@RegDwight lies!

@RegDwight Ah, sorry.

@GraceNote — You prefer "oral" communication? You're leaving yourself open to all the Beavises and Buttheads of the world if you do that. Be warned.

I'll keep silent on that kind of material.

@GraceNote This one last time, Grace. This one last time.

8:30 PM

@RegDwight Copy that.

floppy?

no! don't!

Oh.

phew

I always confuse do and don't,

What is diference?

8:31 PM

lol

— dif·fer·ence (dfr-ns, dfrns)
n.
1. The quality or condition of being unlike or dissimilar.

Thanks but explain contex plesae wut mean "unlike" lol

Mr. Disappointment

def·er·ence (dfr-ns, dfrns)
n.
1. Submission or courteous yielding to the opinion, wishes, or judgment of another.
2. Courteous respect. See Synonyms at honor.

Golf jinx.

Mr. Disappointment

13 mins ago, by Mr. Disappointment

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Q: I am curious if anyone has a good explanation of the difference between what someone would call a "quotation" or "quote" and a "saying"?

It can't simply be that the word "quote" seems more formal than "saying" can it?

differences meanings

8:34 PM

@nohat That's one of the things I miss about Southern California: the wine section at TJ's. They have TJ's here in PA, but they are sadly not allowed to have wine sections.

well, back in 1753 they were, in fact, the same word. It was only down to an ambiguity in usage brought about by Shakespeare in his play A Hard Midsummer's Night's Work that a divergence in the meaning of do and don't occurred. Up untill then they both meant fuck. Afterwards they because an auxiliary verb and the negation of an auxiliary verb, and fuck.

Mr. Disappointment

I need to throw some meat at the question for the dogs to take notice this time?

@Martha yes Pennsylvania seems like a terrible state to live in if you like alcohol

@Martha What kind of anti-life state is that?

@MrDisappointment What kind of notice are you seeking?

I'm thinking the question could use a little more shape and content to it, mostly because the crux of it is kinda spread out and compacted, but I don't know if it's much else an issue to it.

Mr. Disappointment

8:36 PM

Allllll the people in here, and not one has a knee-jerk reaction on site of the word 'good', if nothing else?

@MrDisappointment Since it's describing "explanation" rather than something substantial, no, not really.

I'll suggest an edit to cut it out, though.

@Martha My county is the same way. Awful.

Mr. Disappointment

Even this sense, it's completely redundant - and first impressions count even if it's not referring to something substantial.

@MrDisappointment — I thought peeving was disallowed.

@MrDisappointment Revised. What do you think?

Mr. Disappointment

8:38 PM

I'm not peeving, I'm praising, see, you're misinterpreting, Me. @Robusto:

ELU only gives good answers!

@MrDisappointment You mean "on sight" :P and no, because OP wouldn't ask for a bad explanation, right? No worse than the signatures and taglines we have to edit out.

@MrDisappointment — Don't call me Me.

@Robusto Surely you aren't serious about that?

Mr. Disappointment

@aedia No, not at all. and I definitely meant 'Me' up there, not 'Mr'.

@RegDwight I believe it used to be standard practice throughout New England that only state stores are allowed to sell alcohol. PA and Delaware still have those laws, and I believe so does Massachusetts. New Jersey... is its own kettle of fish, but the Trader Joe's in Princeton does have a wine section.

8:40 PM

@GraceNote — I'm only serious about half the shit I write in chat. I leave it to you to figure out which half.

@Robusto Hrm. Even when I try I lose.

Mr. Disappointment

@aedia Glad I got the right pony this time; always have to double check. That would have been embarrassing, ~~after those typos and all~~.

@Martha What exactly counts as a "state store"?

user19161

@Robusto Once again I'm sorry. Please let me know if you are still mad.

Mr. Disappointment

@GraceNote Sorry, yes - title is much better now, IMO.

8:41 PM

I'm still not sure if Jasper is sorry and Robusto is mad. Could they both clarify some more?

(Also when was Penn part of New England? I thought we cut off before there)

@JasperLoy — Jasper, I'm not mad, I'm insane. There's a difference.

Feb 22 at 18:45, by RegDwight

Madness? This is ELU!

Mr. Disappointment

@Robusto Mad? Catatonic.

@Robusto Don't get insane, get even.

8:42 PM

Don't get insane, get out.

Ah damn kit is not here to thwack me.

user19161

@MattEllen I edited one of your answers just now. The pasta made you engage in some reduplication.

@MrDisappointment The other appears to be sleeping.

@GraceNote A store, run/licensed/profited-on by the state (don't know the exact mechanics, sorry) which sells alcohol. There are two kinds: wine and spirits shops (for wine and hard liquor) and beer distributors (which sell beer, by the case only; no, I'm not sure how that is supposed to help).

If someone throws down and messes with me, I'm gonna mess with them. How many times do I have to say that? No hostility, no anger. But if you can't play the game, don't start the game.

@Martha A friend of mine runs a package store. Not sure which it falls under.

8:44 PM

@GraceNote — Martha isn't interested in packages.

@JasperLoy yeah, I saw. Thanks! I thought I'd got it, but I guess I must have written it 4 times or something :D

@GraceNote Coming from California, it's all New England to me. And Philly certainly has more in common with Boston/New York than with, say, Atlanta. Or Pittsburgh, even.

user19161

@RegDwight I really am. Where I live, people get offended very easily, and I am usually very careful. I got into some deep shit once or twice for saying some stuff. :)

@Robusto Says who?

@JasperLoy Won't ever happen on ELU. Well, not to you anyway.

8:45 PM

@GraceNote I think this site attempts to explain how our state- and county-run liquor control is good for the proletariat nabca.org/States/States.aspx

Mr. Disappointment

@aedia Sorry, I don't believe you. Unicorns don't sleep, they just flit around doing all sorts of wonderful magical stuffs whenever you can't see'em, they have that particle-wave intrigue.

@Martha Ah, well, I'm from Mass (and have family in Pittsburgh, PA), so I'm a bit cognizant of what we call New England.

@GraceNote You misspelled Mars.

:D

@JasperLoy — Yeah, don't worry about it. If I ever get mad at you I'll just ignore you.

8:46 PM

@MrDisappointment I did say appears.

Go fig: wiki-ing "Package Store" gets me "State Store".

So it seems decidedly the former, wine and spirits.

@GraceNote As you've discovered, they're synonyms.

That I have, that I have ♪

But things is slowly changing: Wegmans (which I like to describe as a cross between a grocery store and a theme park) now has a beer section. With strict limits on how much beer you can buy and limited hours and similar such concessions to the puritans on the state alcohol board (or whoever it is that sets those silly laws), but with awesome selection. They have like 6 different brands of hard cider. Try finding that in a state store.

(I have no use for ~~liquid yeast~~ beer, but I love me some Woodchuck.)

@Martha If you're ever on your way through MD, stop here. It's in rather an inconvenient location in suburbia south of Baltimore, but it's the only wine/beer/liquor store I've ever seen that has grocery carts.

It is obviously in a part of the state that doesn't have the ridiculously restrictive liquor laws. I have no idea why they vary so much.

@Martha I think they have a lot more than six brands of cider, but their catalog is available online.

9:45 PM

Wow, Jeff still has the chutzpah to argue that the boobs question was off-topic.

This is... incredible.

Mr. Disappointment

@RegDwight I need the definition of chutzpah: can I ask a question, or will I find it in a dictionary?

en.wiktionary.org/wiki/chutzpah#Noun

Mr. Disappointment

Well, that's saved Jeff a few grey hairs, at least.

user19161

@RegDwight I don't use wiktionary usually. Is it authoritative, whatever that means?

Mr. Disappointment

Oh, and I learned something, incidentally.

9:48 PM

@JasperLoy It has its flaws, but so does everything.

And I am biased, as a Wiktionary bureaucrat.

But hey, here's M-W: merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chutzpah

user19161

@RegDwight I usually use OALD and CALD which leans towards BrE. But I admit I learnt many things from wikipedia.

good night dear ones

Night.

user19161

@MattEllen Goodnight, and good luck with your reading!

Mr. Disappointment

@MattEllen Bye.

user19161

9:55 PM

@MrDisappointment I don't feel like joining the astro site, but I'll give you a chance to post that moon wax and wane question before I do, you just might get a huge rep from it!

Heh. That's 2 pings in Matt's inbox.

user19161

@RegDwight Are you jealous? I can give you one now.

Quite the opposite.

It's funny to come to the site in the morning and start the day by reading ten goodbyes.

Mr. Disappointment

@JasperLoy Thank you for that privilege, I might just do so.

@MrDisappointment What you really need to learn is how not to pronounce chutzpah

@MattEllen Since I missed the goodbye train, have a Buenos Días on me.

@Cerberus! I had to do so much work today. It was terrible. I didn't have a chance to welcome you back from your vacation to our shell-shocked world.

10:15 PM

@aedia Oh! Yes, thank you! It is pretty devastating. One should never leave the fort, I suppose.

How is the word-dragging?

user19161

@aedia I got Carter and McCartney for my grammar book in the end.

@Cerberus I am doing pretty well with it, well enough that at home I found myself doing it on a computer that didn't have the plugin.

@Cerberus I cannot find a version that works with FF5, only with 3.6 and 4...

@aedia Hah that is the sign of the Devil! You are now his.

@JasperLoy I don't know much about it but I've looked it up and it seems good!

@aedia Oh? I thought that version I linked you to worked on 5? Hmm let me test...

10:22 PM

@Cerberus I have the link for the experimental one but it refused to work on my FF5, I think.

I will test it now...

1.1.3.1 is the version I'm using on Ff 5, and it works well.

@aedia You have the add-on enabled?

@Cerberus Hmm, I don't know now. I mean, I was sure I did it right at the time, but as it was the wee hours over some weekend, I was probably intoxicated. I will have to look when I get home (pesky different computers).

I know the feeling.

user19161

Firefox has switched to a new numbering system, like add one every month.

I have Add-on Compatibility Reporter installed (an add-on) to force-enable "incompatible" add-ons. But you can use a setting in the about:config menu too.

@JasperLoy Yeah, I don't see the advantage, it is just a cosmetic change. They probably thought it looked better in their battle against Chrome.

user19161

10:34 PM

@Cerberus But eventually I think they will have to switch back cos the numbers will get really big.

@Cerberus Oh that could be it too. I had that same compatibility reporter thing, but maybe not on all my firefoxes. Hard to keep track of these things. It's a wonder I can even remember what browser I'm using.

@JasperLoy Hmm I don't know... IE is at 9 or 10 now?

@aedia Life is difficult. It is a miracle we can even eat.

user19161

@Cerberus Latest is ie9. You having some problem there, since you mentioned miracle that you can eat?

@JasperLoy Eh, no, I meant, what with the world being as confusing as it is, we shouldn't be able to do anything. (a joke)

It is... a very modern miracle I can eat. All hail dentistry and microwave pizza.

10:49 PM

Especially the latter.

I am a terrible chef. I once burned a frozen pizza that had to go in the real oven.

user19161

I can only fry an egg.

Oh, that happens to anyone with an oven that doesn't have a timer.

user19161

Don't they all have timers now?

I think mine did. I was trying to do something else and wasn't paying attention.

10:51 PM

Yes, but old ones might not? I don't know.

@aedia Hmm then you must have set it at a time too long for your pizza.

I still ate the pepperoni and some of the cheese.

user19161

Just experiment with the time then. Too short, put it in again.

Alain Pannetier

Hi all, Are ESL people still welcome here?

user19161

Yes, you referring to yourself?

For a while after I was forbidden to use the real oven and relegated to toaster oven only.

10:53 PM

@AlainPannetier I fear we must seek another website. They don't want us any more.

Alain Pannetier

@Jasper, yes I've gone through comments in meta and started having doubts again.

@aedia Aww... you burned that pizza when you were little? That is no shame.

user19161

My comment that I only knew how to fry an egg is not a joke.

Everyone here is EFLs almost! You must stay!

user19161

The variety of English where I stay is called Singlish, but we can speak proper English too, whatever that means.

Alain Pannetier

10:55 PM

@Cerberus, you're a little bit like me. For me English is ESL - (S as in Sixth). Whereas EOL (English as Only Language) folks want to tell who is a linguist and who's not.

@AlainPannetier What do you think of this (I had ample time in France to ponder this): état, Rhône. I had more examples but I forgot.

I... Was not little. Save that I am a rather small person anyway. My partner and housemates just felt some chores were uh, not suited to me.

user19161

@aedia You linguist?

Wannabe linguist.

@AlainPannetier the actual problem is that the EOLs in charge have no idea what a linguist is and who he does, or vice versa.

10:56 PM

Sorry I am on mobile on my way home so the @ is hard to get to.

@RegDwight Indeed. Some computer guys do not understand anything non-binary, it seems...

user19161

@RegDwight Now that I think of it, Robusto might not have been mad at me, but it was good to err on the safe side.

Alain Pannetier

And jokes are apparently as welcome as witch spells in a minster.

@AlainPannetier Oh, and notre/votre.

Alain Pannetier

@Cerberus, what are you hinting at?

10:59 PM

It's not about jokes. It's about "I don't want X on this site, period", for whatever values of X the moon phase could seem to justify.

@AlainPannetier Can you guess? It pertains to a conversation we had some time ago.

user19161

@RegDwight The moon wax and wane is very complicated, as mentioned.

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