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I emailed support and they said "you can have it if you tell me why you can have it".

I'm so hungry and it's not even lunch time yet

@Ste lol

hi @Kit!

You look good in that top hat, orc.

Really good.

So you were the reason I had a huge flag queue, eh?

Thanky. I quite like your scarf

12:04 PM

Does the monocle go over your eye? Looks like you need to bump it a little.

@KitFox I inflated your queue with my vigourous flagging action

@KitFox it goes over my nose :D

@KitFox works on some avatars

Oh I see.

It goes over my eye on my other gravatar

Good morning, @kalina. What brings you to our room today?

12:05 PM

I came here to cause trouble

and chew bubblegum

Oh I see.

I'm actually here to see how EL&U people are so high up on chat activity

that's what bought me here

@kalina and reveal the Eureka hat secret :)

I didn't reveal anything

not yet...

12:06 PM

gee, just give me away why don't you

let me tell you some more secrets so you can tell the entire planet

oh! can you tell us how Sherlock avoided death at the end of season 2?

NOOOOO!!!!!

@MattЭллен writers strike

I will put this whole room on lock down. I am not kidding.

@KitFox oh... um... hypothetically, I mean

12:07 PM

oh right, I see, you actually want to know

well, he killed that little girl remember

@Ste How did you get the gold hat? (well done!)

and then blew up that building

I've seen S3E1, but it doesn't explain it at all

and then everybody who could have killed him died

It was the mortician. He asked her for a favor, remember?

12:08 PM

also, he's really a timelord

just happened to regenerate into an identical form

Oh! a timelord! Like in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency.

He's not a timelord. He's Gallifreyan.

Good lord, people.

no, not good lord, time lord

TIME LORD

T-I-M-E-L-O-R-D

@Hugo When I gamed for that populist, remember?

did everybody in here game hats?

dammit

12:09 PM

I mean when I errr, legitimately was awarded populist.

@kalina Have you not seen some of our questions....

@kalina We're a community. We help each other...

I got somebody to bounty a question I answered to give the bounty to somebody else and got frowned at for soliciting reputation

and the bounty was reversed by a mod!

two sets of rules...

but did you still have the hat?

@Hugo I saw your "Oh The Horror" post

@Hugo nope

I actually pretty much got bored of hats at that point

@Ste you can move the check mark on the horror question now if there's a better answer there

12:13 PM

Hugo and I are tied for 4th.

if there's any good new answers here they could do with an upvote: meta.english.stackexchange.com/questions/4356/…

@Hugo Which do you think is the best answer? That question has me confused now!

@KitFox I reckon I'm fully hatted, little chance for a gold or Eureka

I've upvoted everything on that question above 30.

@Hugo But you could still get the Eureka hat.

12:15 PM

I think @KitFox should give me the Eureka, seeing as I solved all of Shog's riddles....

if I post on your "Oh the horror" question, what's the chance of getting 40 upvotes before the end of the day?

@kalina Low to middling, but go for it anyway

@Ste I can't. I'm not an ubermod.

@KitFox I tried but failed

I don't want to be the only person with less than 40

link it so I don't have to find it again

12:15 PM

@Hugo Who did you talk to?

@KitFox - What timezone is Shog in?

@kalina meta.english.stackexchange.com/questions/4356/…

might as well create an account and give it a go

@KitFox shog

@Ste CM/devs only

@Hugo ta

12:16 PM

@Ste Eastern, I think. Same as me.

I might be wrong though.

@Hugo Oh, then you got it wrong?

Because Shog certainly could have given it to you.

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A: "Oh The Horror" Hat Club

Well... here goes nothing! :) <3

what is EL&U's policy on rejecting edits that just make minor cleanups to otherwise perfect posts?

@KitFox yep

I have a habit of submitting large numbers of edits when I'm bored

It depends on whether there is a hat dash going on.

I generally start by editing every post that has "thanks" in it that is still open

and then move on to questions that don't have a "?" in the title

12:19 PM

!!Youtube Let's go team let's all pull together!

KitSox

►

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A: "Oh The Horror" Hat Club

That's a lot of work. Will enough people really go to the trouble?

but a lot of sites take offence to a seemingly new user appearing and submitting loads of errors

@Kalina Which hats do you need?

@kalina I've splatted a bunch of "thanks" before, no-one objected

12:20 PM

@Ste eh, I'm not really after hats in this particular instance

@kalina Mostly because it is a cheap way to earn rep, but it requires other users to do work.

the only hats I really need are oh the horror and the bounty assassin

@KitFox they're on-policy edits though

So?

So...

Policy doesn't stop people from getting annoyed.

12:21 PM

I'm asking before submitting any so that I don't annoy anybody

if you guys don't like somebody cleaning up your posts by removing blah from them then I won't do it

@kalina try answering these for the bounty assassin one: english.stackexchange.com/?tab=featured , the bounties may be awarded before hatdash is over

I'm just saying if you do a lot of minor edits that require other people approving, that it could be annoying. But then again, maybe not.

@Hugo I am terrible at articulating stuff like that

I do minor edits all the time, but I don't need approvals, so it doesn't matter.

TBH unless your answer is amazeballs, I will award the bounty to Cerberus

12:23 PM

I want to have amazeballs.

@kalina doesn't need to be good. The IG-88 is given when you don't win the bounty

Did we star two of her chat messages?

@Hugo oh I have issues with posting crap content

Q: "The same X" and intransitive verbs

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As I have had explained to me at great length, wonder is intransitive. That's fine, but it can seem to take an object: Jim: Yesterday I wondered what that mark on the wall was made by Dave: I wondered the same thing this morning There you see wonder taking the object the same thing. This...

12:24 PM

I think pretty much every single thing I've ever posted is positively voted except on MSO

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@MattЭллен Thanks.

np

I don't see any hats on her profile yet. What gives?

@Hugo wait, you want me to post something on there now so you can give out the bounty?

can I delete it once I get the hat?

Oh. You haven't posted a question or an answer yet? Better do that.

12:25 PM

does it need to be upvoted to count towards the hat?

So you get the Hello World hat.

I have that hat from anime & manga

@kalina @Matt will award the bounty. I think you can delete afterwards, yes

@kalina maybe one vote is needed, but that's no problem

I won't award the bounty, that's a genuine bounty

@kalina It will count toward our site total this way.

12:26 PM

@MattЭллен ah, so you're not awarding it before the hats are put away?

@Hugo sorry, no

damn you guys are better at English than I am

I don't even understand what that question is asking

You can award it before the bounty period ends if you feel you have gotten the answer you wanted.

I'm a mean old scrooge

That is an expected behavior, is all.

And I know just how mean you are.

12:27 PM

@KitFox true. does Cerb have that hat?

I don't know. Did we convince him to do hats this year?

he earns them either way :D

he's got 10, but not boba fett

He doesn't earn them if he hates them, right?

probably not?

@kalina feel free to post the answer and you can get the IG-88 hat

Well, point is, he has hats. So. I think I need moar coffee.

12:29 PM

@MattЭллен well, not if you award the bonus after the 4th

@Hugo yeah, but Kit's convinced me

Just had an email from my (soon-to-be-ex) boss. Very happy with my work, etc. etc. They might get busy at the end of January, would I be willing to come back? What's the point in letting me go now then?!

@MattЭллен I don't have a high quality answer to post on that question

@Ste Employers, man, they're crazy

@Ste ??

so weird

12:30 PM

@Ste So he can say he's efficiently culled X number of people.

that and they don't have to pay you for January

Might go to Spain for a fortnight.

Well, contracting work, they wouldn't have to pay him anyway, right?

Yeah, but if I find another job then they've lost someone who knows the business, projects, etc. Surely the value lost there is greater than the cost of upsklilling a newbie?

Maybe they are gambling on you not finding anything, hence the stringing along message.

Or maybe it's not up to him. It's the highers up making stupid financial decisions without sufficient foresight.

12:34 PM

To please the share holders.

Yeah, it's definitely a case of the CEO saying, get rid of the contractors..

And then in a week's time, when all our clients have new budget, they'll be super-busy again... and the projects will suffer because they won't have enough staff.

Well, I think most bosses are stupid.

Or find cheaper employees.

Probably not. It's been my experience that most don't understand how to properly staff jobs. 1:1 is how they think.

Ice Girl

@skullpatrol Hi

12:44 PM

Hello

A: Difference between "game" and "sport"

I posted an answer, downvote away

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DEFINITION OF SPORT Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively. A particular form of this activity. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitive...

@kalina You should not talk so negatively. =)

I am not negative, I am playful :P

@kalina has two upvotes, no downs

oh, I misread :)

now I need to go and learn what intransitive means, so I can understand the other question -.-

12:48 PM

I have 4 downvotes so far on my "cubicle" answer, lol.

@kalina It means it doesn't take an object.

Example please

Sometimes I look up something before posting an answer, pretending I can do so without looking it up.

@kalina used with verbs. For example, transitive verbs can have an "it" -- "do it". Intransitive verbs have no "it".

She smiled.

12:52 PM

I am definitely not the right person to answer that question :P

A verb can also be transitive and intransitive, such as "reduce".

You can't 'smile' something. You do it or you don't.

I used to use 'X' until I came to ELU, then it became "X", lol.

@kalina you could always read the other answers and then make a short answer

@Hugo I must be confused how you guys work, that doesn't sound like the right thing to do

12:54 PM

@kalina just a suggestion for hat time, you can delete it later.

the whole point of stack exchange is to provide high quality content that is useful to others

The whole point of SE is to earn hats.

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:o

Q: Is there any oxymoron word for the word “oxymoron”?

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I have also asked this in ELL, but I'm taking a risk (may be closed very soon) to ask it here again since I'm not getting enough response. I just have a bizarre thought, though I can't say where will be I using this! So basically oxymoron is use of combining of two contradictory terms that would...

single-word-requests

what do we think of that question, given that it's already present at ELL?

Hi, just popping in since people seem to be sleeping in the room I'm usually in (Root Access)... anyone know if this kind of chat is appropriate for the SE chat network? I visited this room out of curiosity to see what's up with the new English Language Learner site and was greeted with... this

12:56 PM

hi @allquixotic. good question

I'm extremely hesitant to onebox anything from that chat :o

Thank you for bringing that to my attention.

What people do is their business

@allquixotic What is "this"? I can't click on it because it is right at the end of the line, lol.

Is there a problem with what they are talking about?

12:58 PM

I must be really slow today or something

I'm not seeing anything obviously wrong

@JasperLoy oh, sorry. just the last message in the chat buffer of that room at the present time. not sure what's up with the link lol

@allquixotic Well, lots of people make rooms.

@Mitch it might not be appropriate.

oh right, they're bordering on sexting or something

@MattЭллен I don't get the point of the question. Why would anyone think a question like that has an answer? "Is there a word for pink bears?"

12:59 PM

I mean you have to read the scrollback a little bit to see, and it's the "official" chat for ELL, it's not like I went perving on a random room made for two people...

One revealed something about the other that he hadn't told the first one directly, and wonders if the other had been researching him. He wanted to chat a bit more privately to clear it up. I don't see anything wrong with that.

@kalina If so, that's idiotic because all chat rooms are both public (anyone can visit) -and- internetted (searchable by google)!

I'm just making assumptions, their private room doesn't go any further than what's in ELL's chat

if you think that's bad, you should see the stuff that gets said in the bridge

I don't think SE cares about people making individual rooms and talking about pretty much whatever in those individual rooms, although people should still not speak with the expectation of privacy or that it won't be indexed... just a little odd /shrug

guess it would matter more if more people were partaking in ELL chat :P

Well, I say it is alright unless it gets worse than this...

1:02 PM

it's a small beta site atm

Go to omegel

For example, I am on the record for saying "I'm Gunga Din". And for claiming that as truth.

Wait I second...I see what you did there.

if people were active in ELL and they did something wrong, it would have been flagged

it may still be flagged once people become active in there

@allquixotic In this case, it matters, so thank you.

I'm not convinced there was any actual rule breaking going on but @KitFox is reading now and has the power to actually act on any rule breaking

1:03 PM

@kalina goes to lurk in the bridge

But I understand why it seems not alright, given that I know a bit about the people involved, lol.

@kalina I'm not convinced there was any rule breaking either, which is why I asked.

if I was sure I would have, you know, flagged

@Mitch intermittent brain damage incoming

@kalina there are rules? (beyond general conversational intelligence)

they're just talking to each other in a civil way, nothing to worry about

1:03 PM

@Mitch I think the only actual "rule" is "Be Nice"

@kalina Ha ha, no problems there.

but each site has their own interpretation of what "rules" means

yeah, very true... lol

I wonder what Kitfox is gonna do now, lol.

@kalina hm...that rule seems to be broken more often that not in the real world, sometimes intentionally.

1:04 PM

@Mitch yeah, it's a bit confusing, especially since the OPs own offering is "prominent oxymoron".

we allow cusswords but not so much offensive images in RA... The Bridge is like @_@

@Mitch well, on here too

@MattЭллен Did I say already that that's just idiotic?

and also, lots of times, it looks like somebody is breaking said rule but the context shows it's two people who know each other pretty well just being playful

They are consenting adults

1:06 PM

a mod has told them it's not appropriate usage of the SE chat system

@KitFox I can. But that's how awesome I am.

@Hugo if previous warnings exist then it's a completely different matter altogether

cry me a river, smile me an apple

swing that ban hanner

@Hugo How do you know?

1:07 PM

Trying to write an answer for "“The same X” and intransitive verbs" has given me brain damage

so I am going to go and eat

@skullpatrol How do you know?

@kalina enjoy

Lol

@JasperLoy chat transcript

@Hugo Oh, you mean a long time ago?

1:09 PM

She is young and he is lonely

@JasperLoy no, a few minutes ago

@Hugo In the ELL room?

What is the harm?

@skullpatrol Geezis.

@JasperLoy no, in their own room

1:11 PM

I have seen a lot worse

In this site / network

Om nom nom

What are you eating!

My favourite device of 2013 is my...

My favourite device I can use in public of 2013 is my tablet

I am eating cheese sandwiches

With 4 different types of cheese

And they taste delish

:D

I bought a nexus 7 in November and I've been unable to put it down since

1:16 PM

These gadgets are too addictive

imo

I don't quite sleep with it

I do sleep with my phone

But that's because it monitors my movement to wake me up when I'm not in deep sleep

Is kalina your real name @kalina?

Lol no

bbl!

Later

1:18 PM

@matt bye

What kind of phone app does that?

Sleep cycle for iOS

Which is what I used to use

Ic ic

Or sleep as android for android

Which is what I use now

In both instances you give it a time you have to be awake by

And it will wake you up before that

Based on you dropping out of deep sleep

What will they think of next?

1:22 PM

@kalina is it the new Nexus 7?

Which it tracks using the accelerometer in whatever device you are using

Yeah the new one

@skullpatrol Next, they will solve all mental problems instantly.

I have the original... device envy :/ lol

Lol

@kalina how do you find it compared to a normal, fixed alarm?

1:24 PM

I wake up not grumpy

It may be a fundamentally empty experience, but holy crap the Droid's 265 ppi screen is amazing.

I swapped from apple devices to android

Sold my iPad 1 for 150

Bought a nexus 7 for 200

Meant I had to buy all my apps again but oh well

yeah, that has to be the hardest part

Still not in the se android beta

wait, there's an SE Android Beta? ... crap

1:28 PM

Might actually still be an alpha

back at my desk \o/

1:55 PM

Wow, I got 5 stars.

@JasperLoy 7

@kalina I have never seen you before, which room are you usually in?

The Bridge (Arqade), the DMZ (Information Security), I'm also in the Comms room (SeverFault), the Screening Room (Movies & TV) and Lollipop Heaven (Anime & Manga)

Ah, I go to none of those regularly.

oh and Tavern on the Meta

I'm branching out slowly looking for a site whose subject matter I am comfortable enough with to get my second SE site as a trusted user on

Your site is full of big long words written in my native language that I didn't know existed

I feel quite stupid reading some of your questions -.-

2:00 PM

drop by the math room some time

@kalina I actually had 20k on Eng and Math, but I deleted my accounts, and these are my new accounts now at very low rep, lol.

It's like I'm on Stack Overflow

@JasperLoy I deleted my account too, that's why I'm a 30k rep user on Arqade with a 5 month old account

@kalina Haha, why did you delete your accounts? I deleted mine because I am crazy, in some sense.

I'm not going to discuss that, it's too much like dragging up semi-resolved stuff

I know, you must be crazy too. =)

2:02 PM

I am crazy

completely bonkers

OK, I am crazy in more than one sense of the word, maybe you are too, lol.

I am now on Ubuntu 13.10, not too bad.

I have a PC running Ubuntu

it's not as good as Windows 8.1

Did you try any other distros?

I have used Gentoo in the past

when they supported stage 1 installs I spent an entire weekend installing it

A: "All The Best" vs "Best of Luck"

Wow, I don't dare to touch gentoo, slackware, arch

tchrist

2:49 PM

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AS PER MY KNOWLEDGE WE WILL TELL ALL THE BEST FOR WHICH THE PERSON CAN DO, BEST OF LUCK IS FOR WHICH IS DEPENDS ON LUCK, (EX: WHEN PERSON GOING TO RIGHT A EXAM WE CAN TELL ALL THE BEST BECAUSE ITS IN HE'S HAND BUT WHEN HE IS WAITING FOR RESULTS WE CAN TELL BEST OF LUCK BECAUSE ITS NOT IN HE'S HAND)

flickr.com/photos/inteawetrust/3079877360/in/…

tchrist

Asper burgers for breakfast again.

Ha. AS PER MY KNOWLEDGE AND CAPS LOCK....

tchrist

At least he didn’t put a little ---- under it.

I don't see what the big deal is about sleeping with your phone.

How many people had a landline extension by the bed?

Okay, with you in the bed is uncalled for. But charging on the nightstand next to you seems normal.

3:03 PM

no I sleep with my phone in my bed with me

otherwise it wouldn't track my movement

What if you land on it?

You need one-a them flexy bracelets.

"land on it", I'm only like 52kg

it's not like I hump it in my sleep

it just sits under my pillow

SOME MEN SAY HE COULD DANCE!

They said he could DANCE, and, of course, THEY were right! Ladies and Gentlemen, this is it: THE STUDEBAKER HOCH DANCING LESSON & COSMIC PRAYER FOR GUIDANCE featuring Aynsley Dunbar, hit it!

@kalina that seems fantastically uncomfortable.

Slightly above having a handgun there instead.

I don't even notice it's there

it's not like it's a large phone