English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

kalina

12:01

all I'm going to say is that whenever I try and game hats I get disapproving looks from people, but when others try to game hats they get community support

so I gave up on them

Ste

I emailed support and they said "you can have it if you tell me why you can have it".

kalina

I'm so hungry and it's not even lunch time yet

@Ste lol

Matt Эллен

hi @Kit!

KitFox

You look good in that top hat, orc.

Really good.

So you were the reason I had a huge flag queue, eh?

Matt Эллен

Thanky. I quite like your scarf

KitFox

12:04

Does the monocle go over your eye? Looks like you need to bump it a little.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox I inflated your queue with my vigourous flagging action

@KitFox it goes over my nose :D

kalina

@KitFox works on some avatars

KitFox

Oh I see.

Matt Эллен

It goes over my eye on my other gravatar

KitFox

Good morning, @kalina. What brings you to our room today?

kalina

12:05

I came here to cause trouble

and chew bubblegum

KitFox

Oh I see.

kalina

I'm actually here to see how EL&U people are so high up on chat activity

that's what bought me here

Hugo

@kalina and reveal the Eureka hat secret :)

kalina

I didn't reveal anything

Hugo

not yet...

kalina

12:06

gee, just give me away why don't you

let me tell you some more secrets so you can tell the entire planet

Matt Эллен

oh! can you tell us how Sherlock avoided death at the end of season 2?

KitFox

NOOOOO!!!!!

kalina

@MattЭллен writers strike

KitFox

I will put this whole room on lock down. I am not kidding.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox oh... um... hypothetically, I mean

kalina

12:07

oh right, I see, you actually want to know

well, he killed that little girl remember

Hugo

@Ste How did you get the gold hat? (well done!)

kalina

and then blew up that building

Matt Эллен

I've seen S3E1, but it doesn't explain it at all

kalina

and then everybody who could have killed him died

KitFox

It was the mortician. He asked her for a favor, remember?

kalina

12:08

also, he's really a timelord

just happened to regenerate into an identical form

Matt Эллен

Oh! a timelord! Like in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency.

KitFox

He's not a timelord. He's Gallifreyan.

Good lord, people.

kalina

no, not good lord, time lord

TIME LORD

T-I-M-E-L-O-R-D

Ste

@Hugo When I gamed for that populist, remember?

kalina

did everybody in here game hats?

dammit

Ste

12:09

I mean when I errr, legitimately was awarded populist.

@kalina Have you not seen some of our questions....

Hugo

@kalina We're a community. We help each other...

kalina

I got somebody to bounty a question I answered to give the bounty to somebody else and got frowned at for soliciting reputation

and the bounty was reversed by a mod!

two sets of rules...

Hugo

but did you still have the hat?

kalina

@Hugo I saw your "Oh The Horror" post

@Hugo nope

I actually pretty much got bored of hats at that point

Hugo

@Ste you can move the check mark on the horror question now if there's a better answer there

KitFox

12:13

Hugo and I are tied for 4th.

Hugo

if there's any good new answers here they could do with an upvote: meta.english.stackexchange.com/questions/4356/…

Ste

@Hugo Which do you think is the best answer? That question has me confused now!

Hugo

@KitFox I reckon I'm fully hatted, little chance for a gold or Eureka

Ste

I've upvoted everything on that question above 30.

KitFox

@Hugo But you could still get the Eureka hat.

Ste

12:15

I think @KitFox should give me the Eureka, seeing as I solved all of Shog's riddles....

kalina

if I post on your "Oh the horror" question, what's the chance of getting 40 upvotes before the end of the day?

Hugo

@kalina Low to middling, but go for it anyway

KitFox

@Ste I can't. I'm not an ubermod.

Hugo

@KitFox I tried but failed

kalina

I don't want to be the only person with less than 40

link it so I don't have to find it again

KitFox

12:15

@Hugo Who did you talk to?

Ste

@KitFox - What timezone is Shog in?

Hugo

@kalina meta.english.stackexchange.com/questions/4356/…

kalina

might as well create an account and give it a go

Hugo

@KitFox shog

kalina

@Ste CM/devs only

@Hugo ta

KitFox

12:16

@Ste Eastern, I think. Same as me.

I might be wrong though.

@Hugo Oh, then you got it wrong?

Because Shog certainly could have given it to you.

kalina

0

A: "Oh The Horror" Hat Club

Well... here goes nothing! :) <3

what is EL&U's policy on rejecting edits that just make minor cleanups to otherwise perfect posts?

Hugo

@KitFox yep

kalina

I have a habit of submitting large numbers of edits when I'm bored

KitFox

It depends on whether there is a hat dash going on.

kalina

I generally start by editing every post that has "thanks" in it that is still open

and then move on to questions that don't have a "?" in the title

skullpatrol

12:19

!!Youtube Let's go team let's all pull together!

KitSox

►

Hugo

42

A: "Oh The Horror" Hat Club

That's a lot of work. Will enough people really go to the trouble?

kalina

but a lot of sites take offence to a seemingly new user appearing and submitting loads of errors

Ste

@Kalina Which hats do you need?

Hugo

@kalina I've splatted a bunch of "thanks" before, no-one objected

kalina

12:20

@Ste eh, I'm not really after hats in this particular instance

KitFox

@kalina Mostly because it is a cheap way to earn rep, but it requires other users to do work.

kalina

the only hats I really need are oh the horror and the bounty assassin

@KitFox they're on-policy edits though

KitFox

So?

kalina

So...

KitFox

Policy doesn't stop people from getting annoyed.

kalina

12:21

I'm asking before submitting any so that I don't annoy anybody

if you guys don't like somebody cleaning up your posts by removing blah from them then I won't do it

Hugo

@kalina try answering these for the bounty assassin one: english.stackexchange.com/?tab=featured , the bounties may be awarded before hatdash is over

KitFox

I'm just saying if you do a lot of minor edits that require other people approving, that it could be annoying. But then again, maybe not.

kalina

@Hugo I am terrible at articulating stuff like that

KitFox

I do minor edits all the time, but I don't need approvals, so it doesn't matter.

Matt Эллен

TBH unless your answer is amazeballs, I will award the bounty to Cerberus

KitFox

12:23

I want to have amazeballs.

Hugo

@kalina doesn't need to be good. The IG-88 is given when you don't win the bounty

KitFox

Did we star two of her chat messages?

kalina

@Hugo oh I have issues with posting crap content

Hugo

4

Q: "The same X" and intransitive verbs

As I have had explained to me at great length, wonder is intransitive. That's fine, but it can seem to take an object: Jim: Yesterday I wondered what that mark on the wall was made by Dave: I wondered the same thing this morning There you see wonder taking the object the same thing. This...

Matt Эллен

kalina

12:24

I think pretty much every single thing I've ever posted is positively voted except on MSO

3

KitFox

@MattЭллен Thanks.

Matt Эллен

np

KitFox

I don't see any hats on her profile yet. What gives?

kalina

@Hugo wait, you want me to post something on there now so you can give out the bounty?

can I delete it once I get the hat?

KitFox

Oh. You haven't posted a question or an answer yet? Better do that.

kalina

12:25

does it need to be upvoted to count towards the hat?

KitFox

So you get the Hello World hat.

kalina

I have that hat from anime & manga

Hugo

@kalina @Matt will award the bounty. I think you can delete afterwards, yes

@kalina maybe one vote is needed, but that's no problem

Matt Эллен

I won't award the bounty, that's a genuine bounty

KitFox

@kalina It will count toward our site total this way.

Hugo

12:26

@MattЭллен ah, so you're not awarding it before the hats are put away?

Matt Эллен

@Hugo sorry, no

kalina

damn you guys are better at English than I am

I don't even understand what that question is asking

KitFox

You can award it before the bounty period ends if you feel you have gotten the answer you wanted.

Matt Эллен

I'm a mean old scrooge

KitFox

That is an expected behavior, is all.

And I know just how mean you are.

Matt Эллен

12:27

@KitFox true. does Cerb have that hat?

KitFox

I don't know. Did we convince him to do hats this year?

Matt Эллен

he earns them either way :D

he's got 10, but not boba fett

KitFox

He doesn't earn them if he hates them, right?

Matt Эллен

probably not?

@kalina feel free to post the answer and you can get the IG-88 hat

KitFox

Well, point is, he has hats. So. I think I need moar coffee.

Hugo

12:29

@MattЭллен well, not if you award the bonus after the 4th

Matt Эллен

@Hugo yeah, but Kit's convinced me

Ste

Just had an email from my (soon-to-be-ex) boss. Very happy with my work, etc. etc. They might get busy at the end of January, would I be willing to come back? What's the point in letting me go now then?!

kalina

@MattЭллен I don't have a high quality answer to post on that question

Matt Эллен

@Ste Employers, man, they're crazy

kalina

@Ste ??

so weird

KitFox

12:30

@Ste So he can say he's efficiently culled X number of people.

kalina

that and they don't have to pay you for January

Ste

Might go to Spain for a fortnight.

KitFox

Well, contracting work, they wouldn't have to pay him anyway, right?

Ste

Yeah, but if I find another job then they've lost someone who knows the business, projects, etc. Surely the value lost there is greater than the cost of upsklilling a newbie?

KitFox

Maybe they are gambling on you not finding anything, hence the stringing along message.

Or maybe it's not up to him. It's the highers up making stupid financial decisions without sufficient foresight.

skullpatrol

12:34

To please the share holders.

Ste

Yeah, it's definitely a case of the CEO saying, get rid of the contractors..

And then in a week's time, when all our clients have new budget, they'll be super-busy again... and the projects will suffer because they won't have enough staff.

Jasper Loy

Well, I think most bosses are stupid.

skullpatrol

Or find cheaper employees.

KitFox

Probably not. It's been my experience that most don't understand how to properly staff jobs. 1:1 is how they think.

Ice Girl

@skullpatrol Hi

skullpatrol

12:44

Hello

kalina

I posted an answer, downvote away

0

A: Difference between "game" and "sport"

DEFINITION OF SPORT Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively. A particular form of this activity. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitive...

Jasper Loy

@kalina You should not talk so negatively. =)

kalina

I am not negative, I am playful :P

Hugo

@kalina has two upvotes, no downs

oh, I misread :)

kalina

now I need to go and learn what intransitive means, so I can understand the other question -.-

Jasper Loy

12:48

I have 4 downvotes so far on my "cubicle" answer, lol.

KitFox

@kalina It means it doesn't take an object.

skullpatrol

Example please

Jasper Loy

Sometimes I look up something before posting an answer, pretending I can do so without looking it up.

Hugo

@kalina used with verbs. For example, transitive verbs can have an "it" -- "do it". Intransitive verbs have no "it".

KitFox

She smiled.

kalina

12:52

I am definitely not the right person to answer that question :P

Jasper Loy

A verb can also be transitive and intransitive, such as "reduce".

KitFox

You can't 'smile' something. You do it or you don't.

Jasper Loy

I used to use 'X' until I came to ELU, then it became "X", lol.

Hugo

@kalina you could always read the other answers and then make a short answer

kalina

@Hugo I must be confused how you guys work, that doesn't sound like the right thing to do

Hugo

12:54

@kalina just a suggestion for hat time, you can delete it later.

kalina

the whole point of stack exchange is to provide high quality content that is useful to others

Jasper Loy

The whole point of SE is to earn hats.

13

kalina

:o

Matt Эллен

0

Q: Is there any oxymoron word for the word “oxymoron”?

I have also asked this in ELL, but I'm taking a risk (may be closed very soon) to ask it here again since I'm not getting enough response. I just have a bizarre thought, though I can't say where will be I using this! So basically oxymoron is use of combining of two contradictory terms that would...

single-word-requests

what do we think of that question, given that it's already present at ELL?

allquixotic

Hi, just popping in since people seem to be sleeping in the room I'm usually in (Root Access)... anyone know if this kind of chat is appropriate for the SE chat network? I visited this room out of curiosity to see what's up with the new English Language Learner site and was greeted with... this

Matt Эллен

12:56

hi @allquixotic. good question

allquixotic

I'm extremely hesitant to onebox anything from that chat :o

KitFox

Thank you for bringing that to my attention.

skullpatrol

What people do is their business

Jasper Loy

@allquixotic What is "this"? I can't click on it because it is right at the end of the line, lol.

Mitch

Is there a problem with what they are talking about?

kalina

12:58

I must be really slow today or something

I'm not seeing anything obviously wrong

allquixotic

@JasperLoy oh, sorry. just the last message in the chat buffer of that room at the present time. not sure what's up with the link lol

Jasper Loy

@allquixotic Well, lots of people make rooms.

Matt Эллен

@Mitch it might not be appropriate.

kalina

oh right, they're bordering on sexting or something

Mitch

@MattЭллен I don't get the point of the question. Why would anyone think a question like that has an answer? "Is there a word for pink bears?"

allquixotic

12:59

I mean you have to read the scrollback a little bit to see, and it's the "official" chat for ELL, it's not like I went perving on a random room made for two people...

Hugo

One revealed something about the other that he hadn't told the first one directly, and wonders if the other had been researching him. He wanted to chat a bit more privately to clear it up. I don't see anything wrong with that.

Mitch

@kalina If so, that's idiotic because all chat rooms are both public (anyone can visit) -and- internetted (searchable by google)!

kalina

I'm just making assumptions, their private room doesn't go any further than what's in ELL's chat

if you think that's bad, you should see the stuff that gets said in the bridge

allquixotic

I don't think SE cares about people making individual rooms and talking about pretty much whatever in those individual rooms, although people should still not speak with the expectation of privacy or that it won't be indexed... just a little odd /shrug

guess it would matter more if more people were partaking in ELL chat :P

Jasper Loy

Well, I say it is alright unless it gets worse than this...

allquixotic

13:02

it's a small beta site atm

skullpatrol

Go to omegel

Mitch

For example, I am on the record for saying "I'm Gunga Din". And for claiming that as truth.

Wait I second...I see what you did there.

kalina

if people were active in ELL and they did something wrong, it would have been flagged

it may still be flagged once people become active in there

KitFox

@allquixotic In this case, it matters, so thank you.

kalina

I'm not convinced there was any actual rule breaking going on but @KitFox is reading now and has the power to actually act on any rule breaking

Mitch

13:03

@kalina goes to lurk in the bridge

Jasper Loy

But I understand why it seems not alright, given that I know a bit about the people involved, lol.

allquixotic

@kalina I'm not convinced there was any rule breaking either, which is why I asked.

if I was sure I would have, you know, flagged

kalina

@Mitch intermittent brain damage incoming

Mitch

@kalina there are rules? (beyond general conversational intelligence)

Hugo

they're just talking to each other in a civil way, nothing to worry about

kalina

13:03

@Mitch I think the only actual "rule" is "Be Nice"

Mitch

@kalina Ha ha, no problems there.

kalina

but each site has their own interpretation of what "rules" means

allquixotic

yeah, very true... lol

Jasper Loy

I wonder what Kitfox is gonna do now, lol.

Mitch

@kalina hm...that rule seems to be broken more often that not in the real world, sometimes intentionally.

Matt Эллен

13:04

@Mitch yeah, it's a bit confusing, especially since the OPs own offering is "prominent oxymoron".

allquixotic

we allow cusswords but not so much offensive images in RA... The Bridge is like @_@

kalina

@Mitch well, on here too

Mitch

@MattЭллен Did I say already that that's just idiotic?

kalina

and also, lots of times, it looks like somebody is breaking said rule but the context shows it's two people who know each other pretty well just being playful

skullpatrol

They are consenting adults

Hugo

13:06

a mod has told them it's not appropriate usage of the SE chat system

Mitch

@KitFox I can. But that's how awesome I am.

kalina

@Hugo if previous warnings exist then it's a completely different matter altogether

Matt Эллен

cry me a river, smile me an apple

kalina

swing that ban hanner

Jasper Loy

@Hugo How do you know?

kalina

13:07

Trying to write an answer for "“The same X” and intransitive verbs" has given me brain damage

so I am going to go and eat

Jasper Loy

@skullpatrol How do you know?

Matt Эллен

@kalina enjoy

skullpatrol

Lol

Hugo

@JasperLoy chat transcript

Jasper Loy

@Hugo Oh, you mean a long time ago?

skullpatrol

13:09

She is young and he is lonely

Hugo

@JasperLoy no, a few minutes ago

Jasper Loy

@Hugo In the ELL room?

skullpatrol

What is the harm?

Jasper Loy

@skullpatrol Geezis.

Hugo

@JasperLoy no, in their own room

skullpatrol

13:11

I have seen a lot worse

In this site / network

kalina

Om nom nom

skullpatrol

What are you eating!

kalina

My favourite device of 2013 is my...

My favourite device I can use in public of 2013 is my tablet

I am eating cheese sandwiches

With 4 different types of cheese

And they taste delish

skullpatrol

:D

kalina

I bought a nexus 7 in November and I've been unable to put it down since

skullpatrol

13:16

These gadgets are too addictive

imo

kalina

I don't quite sleep with it

I do sleep with my phone

But that's because it monitors my movement to wake me up when I'm not in deep sleep

Jasper Loy

Is kalina your real name @kalina?

kalina

Lol no

Matt Эллен

bbl!

skullpatrol

Later

kalina

13:18

@matt bye

skullpatrol

What kind of phone app does that?

kalina

Sleep cycle for iOS

Which is what I used to use

skullpatrol

Ic ic

kalina

Or sleep as android for android

Which is what I use now

In both instances you give it a time you have to be awake by

And it will wake you up before that

Based on you dropping out of deep sleep

skullpatrol

What will they think of next?

allquixotic

13:22

@kalina is it the new Nexus 7?

kalina

Which it tracks using the accelerometer in whatever device you are using

Yeah the new one

Jasper Loy

@skullpatrol Next, they will solve all mental problems instantly.

allquixotic

I have the original... device envy :/ lol

skullpatrol

Lol

Hugo

@kalina how do you find it compared to a normal, fixed alarm?

kalina

13:24

I wake up not grumpy

allquixotic

It may be a fundamentally empty experience, but holy crap the Droid's 265 ppi screen is amazing.

kalina

I swapped from apple devices to android

Sold my iPad 1 for 150

Bought a nexus 7 for 200

Meant I had to buy all my apps again but oh well

allquixotic

yeah, that has to be the hardest part

kalina

Still not in the se android beta

allquixotic

wait, there's an SE Android Beta? ... crap

kalina

13:28

Might actually still be an alpha

back at my desk \o/

Jasper Loy

13:55

Wow, I got 5 stars.

kalina

@JasperLoy 7

Jasper Loy

@kalina I have never seen you before, which room are you usually in?

kalina

The Bridge (Arqade), the DMZ (Information Security), I'm also in the Comms room (SeverFault), the Screening Room (Movies & TV) and Lollipop Heaven (Anime & Manga)

Jasper Loy

Ah, I go to none of those regularly.

kalina

oh and Tavern on the Meta

I'm branching out slowly looking for a site whose subject matter I am comfortable enough with to get my second SE site as a trusted user on

Your site is full of big long words written in my native language that I didn't know existed

I feel quite stupid reading some of your questions -.-

skullpatrol

14:00

drop by the math room some time

Jasper Loy

@kalina I actually had 20k on Eng and Math, but I deleted my accounts, and these are my new accounts now at very low rep, lol.

kalina

It's like I'm on Stack Overflow

@JasperLoy I deleted my account too, that's why I'm a 30k rep user on Arqade with a 5 month old account

Jasper Loy

@kalina Haha, why did you delete your accounts? I deleted mine because I am crazy, in some sense.

kalina

I'm not going to discuss that, it's too much like dragging up semi-resolved stuff

Jasper Loy

I know, you must be crazy too. =)

kalina

14:02

I am crazy

completely bonkers

Jasper Loy

OK, I am crazy in more than one sense of the word, maybe you are too, lol.

I am now on Ubuntu 13.10, not too bad.

kalina

I have a PC running Ubuntu

it's not as good as Windows 8.1

Jasper Loy

Did you try any other distros?

kalina

I have used Gentoo in the past

when they supported stage 1 installs I spent an entire weekend installing it

Jasper Loy

Wow, I don't dare to touch gentoo, slackware, arch

tchrist

14:49

0

A: "All The Best" vs "Best of Luck"

AS PER MY KNOWLEDGE WE WILL TELL ALL THE BEST FOR WHICH THE PERSON CAN DO, BEST OF LUCK IS FOR WHICH IS DEPENDS ON LUCK, (EX: WHEN PERSON GOING TO RIGHT A EXAM WE CAN TELL ALL THE BEST BECAUSE ITS IN HE'S HAND BUT WHEN HE IS WAITING FOR RESULTS WE CAN TELL BEST OF LUCK BECAUSE ITS NOT IN HE'S HAND)

Ste

flickr.com/photos/inteawetrust/3079877360/in/…

tchrist

Asper burgers for breakfast again.

Ste

Ha. AS PER MY KNOWLEDGE AND CAPS LOCK....

tchrist

At least he didn’t put a little ---- under it.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

I don't see what the big deal is about sleeping with your phone.

How many people had a landline extension by the bed?

Okay, with you in the bed is uncalled for. But charging on the nightstand next to you seems normal.

kalina

15:03

no I sleep with my phone in my bed with me

otherwise it wouldn't track my movement

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

What if you land on it?

You need one-a them flexy bracelets.

kalina

"land on it", I'm only like 52kg

it's not like I hump it in my sleep

it just sits under my pillow

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

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They said he could DANCE, and, of course, THEY were right! Ladies and Gentlemen, this is it: THE STUDEBAKER HOCH DANCING LESSON & COSMIC PRAYER FOR GUIDANCE featuring Aynsley Dunbar, hit it!

@kalina that seems fantastically uncomfortable.

Slightly above having a handgun there instead.

kalina

I don't even notice it's there

it's not like it's a large phone

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

!!youtube billy the mountain

KitSox

15:09

►

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Thank you, robot.

But it's incomplete.

►

KitFox

Handguns go under the bed, not under your pillow.

kalina

if I put a handgun under my pillow, I'd shoot myself in the head if my phone rang

just because I'm used to a phone being there instead

oh what, my answer on that question turned out to be the highest voted answer

strange things do happen around here

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@KitFox but... but then the monster would use it.

kalina

"the monster"

KitFox

15:20

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 You haven't tamed yours?

Light Snow
-8°F -22°C
Feels Like -31°F

It's cold here.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Fuck that noise.

KitFox

So I haven't been able to get to the post office.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@KitFox I guess I could just shoot him, eh?

KitFox

Well, tamed monsters are good for keeping kids in line.

kalina

@KitFox nice and warm, then

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

15:21

It got to maybe 10°F here yesterday. We're headed for 36°F today.

That's how it's been. 10°F. 50°F. 2°F. 40°F.

Cerberus

Morning.

kalina

salut

MετάEd

Buona sera.

kalina

guten tag

MετάEd

Or, if you wish, buongiorno.

kalina

15:25

hoi

MετάEd

Il mio hovercraft è pieno di anguille.

kalina

voulez vous couch-- actually, no

MετάEd

Mi cuerpo es su cuerpo.

kalina

one hour until hometime!

MετάEd

Is that like dreamtime?

Cerberus

15:33

Hai.

kalina

no it's like going home time

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