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Ste

14:01

@Hugo Sure. I will find one of your best answers and offer a 50 bounty on it.

Hugo

@Ste OK. I can bounty @RegDwigнt and he can bounty you

@Ste Or do you already have it?

Ste

No, I have paid a bounty but not collected one.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt There you go again, shilling for down votes.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto hey that was a first, gotta gimme that.

Robusto

It was deleted by the time I got there.

tchrist

14:03

This one needs just one more:

Hugo

@Ste ok. let's just bounty each other

Ste

What is the downvote thing? I don't have that one.

tchrist

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A: Can the antecedent ever be in a prepositional phrase?

The question you ask, “Can the antecedent ever be used in a prepositional phrase?” is of course, certainly it can. Proof: After the meteorite fell on Jack, he was never again the same. Jack likes running with Jill. She is a good person. Jack likes running with Jill. He is a good pe...

Ste

I've added a bounty to your google answer. I will be able to award it tomorrow.

Robusto

I want to award a bounty. Someone answer my "well off" question!

KitFox

14:05

@Robusto I'm working on it!

Robusto

@tchrist, I'm looking at you!

tchrist

I kinda like yuleglee — it’s not so fugly as many another.

KitFox

Oh. Fine. Be that way.

Robusto

@KitFox Work harder!

KitFox

You want a good answer, or just an answer?

Ste

14:05

@tchrist - I take it you're talking about mine!

tchrist

Aye.

1

A: One word for Christmas?

One might propose yulegaiety or yuleglee, although whether that implies anniënnui I am uncertain.

Robusto

@KitFox I would be happy to award you the bounty. But you have to show some effort.

Ste

I think I need one more open review to get robocop

Robusto

@tchrist Are you looking for up or down?

Hugo

@tchrist It's a good un

RegDwigнt

14:06

@Ste You've got the Suggested Edits covered?

Jasper Loy

@tchrist I was not sure if that was a serious question.

tchrist

@Robusto +1 for that one.

Ste

@RegDwigнt No - but it's only 5 queues in which you need 5, no?

tchrist

@JasperLoy This is a serious time of the year, sirrah.

RegDwigнt

@Ste BTW I am still looking through all your answers, should I go on or has Hugo already awarded you a bounty?

@Ste you mean you have all the other ones covered?

tchrist

14:07

Credo in unum Unicornem, equum omnipotentem. — tchrist 20 mins ago

JSBձոգչ

gmorning children

RegDwigнt

Hello JSB.

Robusto

@tchrist You got it.

Ste

@RegDwigнt I think I have the other ones covered. I think @Hugo is going to look at it.

tchrist

Danke.

RegDwigнt

14:08

@Ste okay.

Ste

@Hugo - half way to "Question" and top of the multicollider.

Hugo

@Ste offered a bounty for english.stackexchange.com/questions/78366/…

RegDwigнt

@JSBձոգչ the comments here are obsolete. You can get a hat for flagging them as such.

JSBձոգչ

i have the bounty hunter hat now. my life is complete

it goes so well with my cape

Hugo

@JSBձոգչ how d'you get it?

RegDwigнt

14:10

Right on.

@Hugo by getting a bounty, duh.

JSBձոգչ

@Hugo get awarded a bounty

RegDwigнt

You are working on that very hat as we speak, dude.

Hugo

@Ste haha!

@RegDwigнt that makes sense. Any ideas about IG-88 then?

RegDwigнt

@Hugo I liked @Kit's. Which is to say, I hated it.

KitFox

What?

Ste

14:12

What is the one that is causing you all to ask for downvotes?

RegDwigнt

@KitFox 88 gold badges.

KitFox

Huh?

RegDwigнt

Oh wait.

Hugo

@Ste it's for the peer pressure badge and just a theory for a hat

RegDwigнt

Twas Hugo.

You replied to that.

Kind of hard to make out all the gravatars behind the hats here.

Ste

14:13

I am disappointed one can not stack hats

Has anyone tried the peer pressure badge for a hat yet?

Hugo

3 hats hat stacks

RegDwigнt

@Ste Kit got the badge an hour ago. Still no hat.

Ste

@Hugo - I just got what you meant - I went to try. I am ashamed...

Hugo

heh

tchrist

Thank you. But these are not practical words. I want to know practical and yet difficult words. — kih1930 40 mins ago

Hugo

14:15

site-wide leader got IG-88 on MSO. meta.stackoverflow.com/users/178438/…

tchrist

Surely mulierast is both practical and difficult. Or did you want a gloss that were less quotidian and more hemerine? — tchrist 20 mins ago

The subjacent sentiment seems somewhat surly, as ’twere from some catachrestic churl ejaculated. — tchrist 18 mins ago

If you don’t like Latinate terms, here are more native English words for landforms and such: adit air ait bache beck bink born bourne brim brink burn cairn cam carr close coomb coppice copse croft dale dell dene dess dimble dingle down dub eyot fell fen firth fold force ford foss frith garth ghill ghyll gill ginnel glade glen graff groop haugh holm hope how hurst kame knoll kyle law lea lough low mere midden moor ness pant pike porth rigg scaur scree shaw side sike skerry snicket sound stank strath tarn thorpe thwaite toft tor vennel voe vord wheal wold. — tchrist 1 min ago

RegDwigнt

@Hugo you keep calling "network-wide" "site-wide". That is confusing, man!

Site is this here. ELU.

JSBձոգչ

@tchrist coomb is not native english

Hugo

@RegDwigнt yeah, sorry

tchrist

Heh.

That’s right.

I should have said British.

Or Britannic.

Ste

14:17

Could I please get 4 upvotes on this answer, please?

37

A: Describing "not knowing what to do" (as a response to an unexpected event that happened)?

You could use dumbfounded in your scenario. affected with sudden and great wonder or surprise

JSBձոգչ

british is acceptable

tchrist

@JSBձոգչ fixed.

Robusto

The comments here are obsolete and ripe for the flagging.

@tchrist Or Titanic.

RegDwigнt

@sf. still has no chat hat! Come on over, have a cookie. And a hat, of course.

tchrist

@JSBձոգչ Lots of those are derived from Old Norse. Many are known only in the North of Britain, or wherever the Danelaw prevailed.

A few, of course, are from Welsh.

badass

14:18

@hugo I think of it that way too, I think it is more natural

JSBձոգչ

@tchrist i miss the danelaw. i wonder if we can bring it back.

Robusto

Or Olympic.

tchrist

@Robusto graecum est: non legitur

Robusto

@tchrist I completed the hat trick with the three sister ships: Britannic, Titanic, and Olympic.

All went to watery graves. Uh, except Olympic. It retired.

JSBձոգչ

@Robusto is this about AC4?

tchrist

14:20

Velly werr.

RegDwigнt

Only 67 hats behind Code Review.

Was 240+ just half a day ago.

Robusto

@JSBձոգչ No. That franchise went off the rails by going out on the ocean.

tchrist

@RegDwigнt I used all my votes to give out Silvers yesterday.

Robusto

Geez, how many more "useful flags" do I need for the flag ~~badge~~ hat?

tchrist

@Robusto I know, right?

Ste

14:22

Our efforts are not in vain!

tchrist

Vanity vanity, all is vanity.

Or else it’s a cupboard.

badass

!!youtube your so vain

KitSox

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Hugo

network-wide leader with IG-88 hat recently got these badges on MSO: Guru, Necromancer, Nice Question, Nice Answer, amongst a bunch of other activity: meta.stackoverflow.com/users/178438/…

Robusto

@badass Good thing KitSox understands misspellings

tchrist

14:23

I can’t believe you need to Necro on meta.

And one vote will prove it.

Robusto

Still trying to eke out a gold on SO, if anyone would be so generous.

tchrist

+1 vote here should Necro on main:

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A: Can the antecedent ever be in a prepositional phrase?

The question you ask, “Can the antecedent ever be used in a prepositional phrase?” is of course, certainly it can. Proof: After the meteorite fell on Jack, he was never again the same. Jack likes running with Jill. She is a good person. Jack likes running with Jill. He is a good pe...

KitFox

0

A: Is there an acceptable corresponding negative to "well off"?

I think part of the issue is the way you have parsed well off. Consider, for instance, that the Free Dictionary defines well-off as a hyphenated adjective, and speculates that it derives from "to come well off" where off in this case indicates "circumstanced" with the overall meaning then being t...

tchrist

@Robusto Oh, I should have left the bounty on longer. That was the secondary purpose.

KitFox

There. What else should I add?

Hugo

14:25

another:
IG-88
this is a secret hat

Braiam earned this hat on:
Ask Ubuntu

Robusto

@KitFox And you shall have a hat. And some points. Not a bad haul, eh?

Hugo

he got Popular Question badge recently and lots of other activity: askubuntu.com/users/169736/braiam?tab=activity&sort=all

KitFox

@Robusto Oh. That was easier than I thought. I thought you were going to make me work for it.

tchrist

Slowly turn the wheels of justice, but turn they do:

Robusto

@KitFox I did. You were fretting there for at least a few minutes, right?

KitFox

14:26

@Hugo IG-88 is a bounty hunter. I think it must have to do with bounties.

tchrist

Hugo

@KitFox I'll check

Robusto

@tchrist They misspelled Heisenberg.

Hugo

meta.stackoverflow.com/users/178438/… askubuntu.com/users/169736/braiam?tab=bounties&sort=active

tchrist

I wonder if hat scripts run at different times, like badge scripts do.

Hugo

14:29

mostly they seem to come quite quickly

but you don't always get a coloured snowflake to notify

tchrist

Oh.

Hugo

at least that was the case for the unicorn meta

KitFox

I want to know if there's a unicorn on the Hat Dash page this year.

I can only seem to get the SE logo.

badass

!!youtube charlie unicorn

KitSox

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Robusto

14:31

We're 62 behind Code Review. Let's get those hyper-critical sons of bitches. Show 'em who are the real the pedants around here!

Hugo

can't see what's common between those two with IG-88. both have bounties offered, but that's not so special

KitFox

Bounties on their own questions?

Except I don't have one.

Answered questions with a bounty on them?

Hugo

a third doesn't have any bounties: sharepoint.stackexchange.com/users/6382/…

KitFox

Except I don't have one of those either.

Hmm...

Well, IG88 was an assassin?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

ig88 was hired to catch solo, but didn't catch him, right?

badass

14:35

!!wiki hyper critical

KitSox

@badass The Gods of Wikipedia did not bless us

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

> he boiled for your sins

made me lol

badass

Nice

Ste

@Hugo - 30 views for your "Question" hat!

Hugo

they have lots of reviews and revises. some more: gaming.stackexchange.com/users/50582/billy-mailman?tab=activity stackoverflow.com/users/3012385/dasourcerer?tab=activity

1 more!

JSBձոգչ

14:36

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 you'd probably be interested in Roko's Basilisk

Hugo

501 and hottest question!

stackexchange.com/questions?tab=hot

JSBձոգչ

but it's such a bad question!

tchrist

@JSBձոգչ Somebody just asked a mean qeustion.

0

A: what does "a woman of mean understanding" mean?

It means she didn’t understand much. The OED gives: II Inferior in rank or quality. 2a. Of persons, their rank or station: Undistinguished in position; of low degree; often opposed to noble or gentle.

Hugo

@JSBձոգչ the worst questions are the most popular

JSBձոգչ

@Hugo tru dat. i, too, have exploited the ignorance of the masses this way

badass

14:38

!!youtube set me on fire

KitSox

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Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JSBձոգչ that's awesome

tchrist

2 days ago, by tchrist

Non est enim consilium in volgo, non ratio, non discrimen, non diligentia, semperque sapientes ea quae populus fecisset ferenda, non semper laudanda dixerunt.

Robusto

OK, I could use some upvote support:

0

A: What type of a literary device is this?

It is an example of chiasmus, which is Repetition of ideas in inverted order Repetition of grammatical structures in inverted order (not to be mistaken with antimetabole, in which identical words are repeated and inverted). See here or any other reputable source.

JSBձոգչ

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 and it just gets better the further you read to the bottom.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

14:39

> [the] founder of LessWrong considers the basilisk to not work, but will not explain why because he does not consider open discussion of the notion of acausal trade with possible superintelligences to be provably safe.

Robusto

I came out of retirement for your hats, so . . .

tchrist

Holy Moly, Rob answered a question!!!!!!!

Robusto

i no rite

The things I do for the team.

tchrist

It is like a holy sacrament.

Did I say that twice?

KitFox

Gods, I must do some actual work. Ping me if you figure out some other hatses.

Ste

14:41

Can someone propose another reopen please?

Robusto

@JSBձոգչ: Your edit destroyed the sense of the question. I had to roll it back or else my answer wouldn't make sense either.

Ste

@Robusto - any hat for rollback?

Robusto

Dunno.

KitFox

Haven't seen one.

JSBձոգչ

@Robusto i think we had different ideas of what the sense of the question was, then

i suppose the OP should clarify maybe

Robusto

14:42

@tchrist Well, the Church uses redundancies all the time: Holy Orders, Holy Matrimony—one wonders if there are Profane Orders and Profane Matrimony as well.

JSBձոգչ

... sigh ... and now it's time to code review the work of a barely-competent coworker

tchrist

@Robusto Common-law marriage are profane matrimony, not civil.

Robusto

@JSBձոգչ I figure he wonders about the reversal, and he's looking for a rhetorical figure, etc.

Hugo

Now got the 500 views in 2 days hat (why 42 though?) thanks to @RegDwigнt's suggestion:

3 hours ago, by Matt Эллен

"Is there a single word that means 'Being merry on Christmas.' but excludes being merry or happy on New Year?"

Robusto

@tchrist But those are not sacraments.

tchrist

14:43

@JSBձոգչ Me too.

Ste

@Hugo - Because the "Question" is the hat. And "42" is the answer

Hugo

@Ste oh yeah

Robusto

@JSBձոգչ I hate that more than anything. There's nothing fun about embarrassing someone you work with.

KitFox

5

Q: Has anyone on EL&U been awarded the 'I See Your Point' hat yet?

The unicorn hat is still stumping those of us who discuss these things in chat. Has anyone had it awarded yet? And is anyone ready to break the oath of silence that comes with it? Alternatively, is anyone interested in discussing it and/or making jokes or other jovial observations?

MetaEd needs support.

Hugo

I'm now number 2 both network-wide and here

Robusto

14:45

@RegDwigнt take note ^

Ste

@Hugo - can you propose a reopen please?

tchrist

Improved:

2

A: what does "a woman of mean understanding" mean?

It means of “of common understanding”: she didn’t understand much. The OED gives: II Inferior in rank or quality. 2a. Of persons, their rank or station: Undistinguished in position; of low degree; often opposed to noble or gentle. (Cf. common adj. 12).) Obs. But the citations date u...

Hugo

@Ste Done: english.stackexchange.com/questions/142142/what-is-a-marauder

tchrist

I wonder if there are any hats related to tags or to CW? I think not.

Robusto

Just got me a Commie Chuck Yeager. Did we ever determine what that meant?

Ste

14:46

Chuck Yeager is answering within 15 minutes

tchrist

@Cerb Did you see this:

7

A: How do you pronounce ¹⁄12?

One phenomenon of Fast Speech Rules in English (besides centralization of unstressed vowels to shwa), is reduction of consonant clusters. This is especially clear when the ordinal number "-th" /-θ/ suffix is added to a cardinal number that already ends in a consonant or, especially, a cluster of ...

Robusto

Ah. Rocket man.

Hugo

@Ste yep, I got it in about 13 mins

Robusto

And now I've pushed @MattЭллен into the sinkhole of #7.

tchrist

Renege.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

14:49

@JSBձոգչ It's such an interesting trap for the LW crowd though. Because of their particular beliefs, this scenario is actually logical. For just about anyone else, it's nonsense or irrelevant, and so it wouldn't happen, or matter if it did.

Robusto

Edit opportunity.

JSBձոգչ

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 precisely. and it's ironic that, by the internal logic of the argument, i'm immune precisely because i don't believe in the Singularity or future god-like AIs

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JSBձոգչ I'm immune because I don't care about future simulations of me.

Robusto

You can give someone Enlightened and a hat.

Ste

Why is the marauder question not appearing in the reopen queue?

KitFox

14:53

Is it edited since it was closed?

tchrist

2 days ago, by tchrist

Here’s the query for Enlightened and also the query for Guru.

badass

Is there a guru hat?

Ste

Aaaah - I probably can't vote to reopen my own question!

Can someone propose reopening another please?

tchrist

The oxymoronical nohat remarks:

I too looked at this answer and was puzzled by the odd text flow. Unusual line breaks are, to my mind, the exclusive domain of poetry. It's pretty—I'm going to say eccentric —to use line breaks in the middle of prose as a form of punctuation, regardless of the prose's topic. I'm not going to change it, but I will go on record as giving a thumbs down to the idea of testing out this kind of textual innovation on the site. — nohat 17 hours ago

@badass Yes, but on Meta. You give someone a silver that way though.

@badass Fork the guru query and change to meta to check. There were only a few candidates.

badass

Icic

tchrist

14:59

I feel so very Carmen Miranda today.

Robusto

@tchrist Rich and fruity.

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