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4:00 PM
@tchrist My joke, explained. Thank you.
 
1 hour ago, by tchrist
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If we give silvers to all those low-guys who never show up.
Then we will get more hats.
The ones at the far end of the list likely already have them.
Hurray! The yuleglee question is #1 on the super-collider!
 
Now I've joined the Milliner's Club.
 
Dec 11 at 13:57, by RegDwigнt
You are so beautiful. To not me.
 
Hey you guys, and you know who you are, please don’t get zung for sockpuppetry. More shall I not say.
 
@tchrist You need more than one account for that, right?
 
You have to be registered to be a sock...
And socks are not disallowed.
 
@RegDwigнt I saw what you did right there.
And claimed my reward.
 
other than those two, no more at 9 or 39
 
4:05 PM
It is specifically allowed to have any number of accounts per person. Just don't upvote one another and shit.
@tchrist I let it sit this time for others to claim.
But only you weren't sleeping.
 
Oh very well.
Me, sleep?
 
I let sit two, in fact. But even you only ever claimed one.
 
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A: How to say "almost exactly 1 hour"?

KitFoxIn my regional dialect, you could say "we'll meet here in nigh on an hour." It means "roughly an hour" or "nearly an hour", with the connotation of within a few minutes of exactly an hour, inclusive of exactly an hour.

Needs one more, any takers?
 
@RegDwigнt But I only have the one account, so I needn't worry. Why would I want another account?
 
@KitFox done
 
4:06 PM
@Robusto to wear more than one hat at a time?
 
@Hugo Thanks!
 
@Robusto Never mind. No matter.
 
She has the same hat as me. I think it looks better on me, though.
 
Maria!
 
Ave!
 
4:07 PM
Gratia Plena!
 
@tchrist Anyway. An improvement is an improvement. You wanna be the anonymous benefactor, be my guest.
 
unfortunately, you ninja'd me, @tchrist
messing up the salutation
 
@JSBձոգչ Hey, we did mulieribus yesterday.
@JSBձոգչ FTFY
 
I hate YouTube videos that don't have the audio track properly interleaved with the video.
 
Ave Maria is one rara avis.
 
4:09 PM
@tchrist grazzi
Thread.Sleep() needs to die
 
Testing a Eureka theory, all the others I found had it on MSO, but might be a coincidence. Could I have an upvote or two? meta.stackoverflow.com/q/212398/162511
 
@tchrist am I a rave?
 
Hey, what do you do in a code review anyway?
 
there are a few rare cases when it's the thing you need
and about a thousand cases where bad programmers think they should use it to fix their race conditions
 
One reviews code in a code review, QED.
 
4:11 PM
@KitFox i look at the code you wrote and provide detailed feedfback on it it, telling you what you should fix and where
 
So people get pissed off at you?
That doesn't sound like fun.
 
it's absolutely crucial. don't take it personally.
here where i work all code must be reviewed by a peer before it's checked in
(with exceptions for very small or trivial changes)
 
They want to start a code review process where I work and they want to start with the search project I'm on.
 
@KitFox go for it. it's fantastic. you learn from each other and improve each others' code immensely
 
Which I think is a great idea, and also that the coder will hate.
 
4:13 PM
i was taken aback at first
but soon grew to love it
 
It's like reading each other's essays.
 
having a good CR tool helps a lot, too
 
Because I suspect his code is garbage and he has been hiding behind the lack of knowledge in the department.
 
@JasperLoy yes. it's like getting feedback on your writing. a must for improvement
 
I've just given an autist feedback on his writing.
 
4:14 PM
I wish I could get that with my requirement.
 
2 hours ago, by Robusto
We're 62 behind Code Review. Let's get those hyper-critical sons of bitches. Show 'em who are the real the pedants around here!
 
What's an autist?
 
An autistic person?
 
@KitFox heh. that's possible. prepare yourself for pushback
 
Yes.
The Dutch word is nice and short.
 
4:15 PM
not all autists are artists
 
Yeah I don't think he is.
 
I read the Wiki article on autism and I am not sure what it is.
 
the simplest way to do code reviews is an over-the-shoulder review: before you commit, grab another developer and walk them through the changes, let them ask questions, and change stuff if needed before commit
 
@JSBձոգչ I don't know how much I would be involved with it. I'm a BA now, not a programmer.
 
@JasperLoy It is a way in which some people have differently structured brains.
 
4:16 PM
Suggested edits up for grabs.
 
An autist sounds weird to me. Like saying 'a gay'.
 
@Cerberus well said
 
Which reminds me, I am confused about artist and artiste.
 
@KitFox In Dutchland, we say "autist" and "homo" normally.
Somehow artiste evokes...circus for me.
An artistic performer?
 
Really? So you would say "I had coffee with a homo last week"?
 
4:18 PM
Yes.
 
Dutch English is cool.
 
Orly
 
Or a woman, or a neger.
If relevant, of course.
 
watch out for the N word
 
But we don't have a word like redhead.
 
4:20 PM
I am a blackhead then, lol.
 
@badass I know nigger is very sensitive in (North) America.
 
I am working from home today, and my MiL's boyfriend is making me insane.
 
@Cerberus Like faggot.
 
Neger is OK in Dutchland, at least among educated people.
@JasperLoy Right, exactly.
 
!!youtube nigger
 
4:22 PM
 
I saw a youtube video where someone with tics kept saying the n word.
 
@KitSox Haha.
 
No one still needs five Suggested Edit reviews? Really? No one?
 
@JasperLoy Gilles de la Tourette?
 
@Cerberus Yes.
I don't think it is all neurological. I feel tics has something to do with previous lives...
 
4:24 PM
@RegDwigнt OK, I've got five in that one.
 
Good.
 
3 in first posts.
5 in reopen.
3 in low-quality.
1 in late answers.
 
Ste
@KitFox - Are you counting or can you find that info out?
 
I'm counting.
That's why it is taking so long.
3 in first posts.
So...not too far off.
That's funny. No Necro...
Maybe the script hasn't run yet.
OK. Working now.
 
Wow, 7 lines in a row.
 
4:31 PM
And you had to ruin it, Jasper.
 
Ste
Haha
There was a hat for 8. ;o)
Now I want to check
1
2
3
4
 
8
Sorry.
 
And you had to ruin it.
 
Ste
:D
 
I guess we'll never know!
Apr 13 '11 at 13:19, by RegDwight
Lots of echo in here.
 
4:33 PM
Is the bug still present, the one where you cannot type the same thing in consecutive lines?
 
It's not a bug.
 
test
 
It's a feature.
But I must be preparing for the commute.
Lators.
 
@Ste Are you serious?
 
Yes.
 
4:34 PM
Is there really a hat for 8 chat lines in a row?
 
No, I mean the bug is real.
 
Ste
@KitFox - I don't think so but I was going to check. You never know!
 
@KitFox Why do you think so, random rumors?
 
Getting my leg pulled.
 
That sounds like a horror movie.
 
4:36 PM
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Q: Has anyone on EL&U been awarded the 'I See Your Point' hat yet?

KitFoxThe unicorn hat is still stumping those of us who discuss these things in chat. Has anyone had it awarded yet? And is anyone ready to break the oath of silence that comes with it? Alternatively, is anyone interested in discussing it and/or making jokes or other jovial observations?

Martha needs help and I'm out of votes.
 
@tchrist The inch/ounce thing is kind of funny. But that question needs to be reopened, if only for Lawler's answer, which I think is pretty good.
 
Ste
How does one acquire the Unicorn hat?
 
Peanut Gallery on Meta
 
Ste
Okay - I will comment away.
 
@Cerberus Well, you know how to do that.
 
4:39 PM
My vote is cast.
 
That’s what Caesar said.
 
No gambling!
 
Well, alea iacta est.
Not on the Review Queue yet.
 
Ah, it's open!
 
I'm pointy!
 
4:41 PM
That would do it.
I can’t get peanuts for nothin’.
Nor my tricks for free.
 
Hmm?
 
First OED citation for Christmas used as an interjection is “1897 Kipling Capt. Cour. iv. 91 — Jiminy Christmas! That gives me the blue creevles.” which I thought went with crickets. Last OED citation as interjection is “1959 N. Marsh False Scent (1960) vi. 192 - ‘All right with you, Bertie?’ ‘Oh, Christmas!’ he said. ‘I suppose so.’ ” — tchrist 1 hour ago
 
@KitFox
 
By the way, you look like you had an accidental run-in with a pink unicorn.
 
@AndrewLeach Yes, but that’s not as native-English-y-sounding as yuleglee, I’m sure you’d agree! — tchrist 1 hour ago
@Cerberus Lavender.
 
4:44 PM
And pink.
 
@JohnLawler I have an especial dislike for this “first conditional” nonsense. I did dig up a professional paper (read: from a peer-reviewed linguistics-related “academic” journal) thoroughly repudiating it and complete with corpus statistics for Barrie once, but now I can’t find it. — tchrist 2 hours ago
 
@MετάEd What?
 
@KitFox I'm pointy!
 
refreshes
 
@tchrist Lo, a new Cromwell has risen, to reforbid all heathen idolatry including Easter and Christmas?
 
4:45 PM
You still look like a judge to me.
 
If you don’t like Latinate terms, here are words more native to the Isle of Britain for landforms and such: adit air ait bache beck bink born bourne brim brink burn cairn cam carr close coomb coppice copse croft dale dell dene dess dimble dingle down dub eyot fell fen firth fold force ford foss frith garth ghill ghyll gill ginnel glade glen graff groop haugh holm hope how hurst kame knoll kyle law lea lough low mere midden moor ness pant pike porth rigg scaur scree shaw side sike skerry snicket sound stank strath tarn thorpe thwaite toft tor vennel voe vord wheal wold. — tchrist 3 hours ago
 
@KitFox Works on main site. I guess chat is behind.
 
@JanusBahsJacquet I’d’ve been more apt to say inch, but I must not deal in precious metals as much as you appear to. — tchrist 4 hours ago
Lookin’ for love in all the wrong places.
Surely mulierast is both practical and difficult. Or did you want a gloss that were less quotidian and more hemerine? — tchrist 3 hours ago
The subjacent sentiment seems somewhat surly, as ’twere from some catachrestic churl ejaculated. — tchrist 3 hours ago
 
@KitFox There it is.
 
+1 and @Shoe is spot on, methinks. — Cerberus 18 secs ago
 
4:48 PM
@MετάEd I see it!
 
Oughtn’t that be noëlfun, lest it be confused for its antonym? — tchrist 1 hour ago
 
I got my Necro. Thank you all!
Now I have to get ready for lunch with the old crew.
 
@KitFox I'm not sure how I feel about that.
 
@tchrist Adit is not Latin?
 
@MετάEd It was easy. I just looked for an unanswered sngle-word-request that was old.
looks evasive
 
4:51 PM
And I don't know about force, pike, but there may be homonyms...
 
Thursagen earned a silver badge?
 
@Cerberus Dang you!
 
Wow. I don't have that hat.
 
force [fɔɚs], sb.[entry#2] local. Also foss.
Etymology: a. ONor. fors (Sw. fors, Da. fos).
A name in the north of England for a waterfall or cascade.
 
Right, a homonym, then.
 
4:58 PM
pike [paɪk], sb.[entry#2] north. Eng. Also 3, 7 pik, 6 pyke.
Etymology: app. either a local application of pike sb.[entry#1], or of Norse origin: cf. West Norw. dial. pîk a pointed mountain, pîktind a peaked summit.
1 A northern English name for a pointed or peaked summit, or a mountain or hill with a pointed summit; entering extensively into the nomenclature of mountains and hills in and around the English Lake district. The names in Pike have their centre in Cumbria, and Lancashire-above-the-sands, where are Scawfell Pike, Langdale Pikes, Pike o’ Stickle, Causey Pike, Grisedale Pike, Red
 
I did notice some references to French pic/pique.?
But that may also be of Germanic origin?
> Pīcānus, i, m., a mountain in the territory of the Picentines, Sil. 4, 304; Avien. Perieg. 500.
 
The West Norwegian looks more likely.
 
> Boiling pitch was poured on the bodies of slaves as a punishment
From a dictionary.
Gotta love the Romans!
 
@Cerberus Which is why the karmic debt they accrued was put paid by the Vandals, Visigoths, Huns, etc.
33 hats behind Code Review now. flogs the horses
 
5:19 PM
0
A: Is there a single word for the faith a user of magic has in the efficacy of a magical object or act?

MετάEdFaith is commonly used in your context in the wild. Some examples: “Magic requires faith” (“Magical Faith” at Malewitch.com) “Will my style of ‘magick’ work if I have no faith in it anymore?” (“Faith and Magick” at Doing Magick is Being Magick!) “I said in the introduction that magick is Holist...

 
@Robusto Right! But I'm sure they would have become more humane eventually.
There was significant opposition to gladiator games.
And Christians had a civilising influence.
 
@Cerberus why are you sure of that?
i'm not sure of that at all
 
Primarily because all stable societies tend to become more humane in the long run.
But also because there was significant opposition to several kinds of cruel practices.
But perhaps "sure" was too strong a word.
 
@Cerberus on what basis do you make this statement?
i'm willing to be convinced of that statement, but i want actual evidence
i don't believe in the quasi-religious notion that history "progresses", nor do i believe that most of what calls itself "progress" deserves the name
 
Mostly on post-Dark-Age history.
Cruelty mostly functions as a means of punishment.
 
5:31 PM
true
does the need for punishment disappear over time?
 
Severity is used as a substitute for consistency / ubiquity.
An efficient police force, justice system, etc. can make do with less severity while reducing crime by the same amount, in theory.
Another thing is that more wealth means fewer people are exposed to horrible pain and suffering by accident, so the very idea of it becomes less "normal".
If your theft of my corn means that my children will die, it seems more reasonable for me to kill you.
Of course it's all very complex, there are many other factors.
 
0
Q: How do you parse the sentence "He had Elizabeth read the letter aloud."?

developer.cyrusThe Stanford parser gave the following output. I think the word "read" should be tagged with VBN (past participle). (ROOT (S (NP (PRP He)) (VP (VBD had) (S (NP (NNP Elizabeth)) (VP (VB read) (NP (DT the) (NN letter)) (ADVP (RB aloud))))) (...

 
@Cerberus this is plausible, but i'm withholding judgement
 
@JSBձոգչ Your current hat is terrible.
 
This seems like a useless question but I'm having troubling matching "not actually a problem" to our close reasons.
 
5:38 PM
@JSBձոգչ Wise.
But if you look at history, you will often see that the more draconian punishments are instituted during times of trouble, and repealed after periods of stability.
 
@Cerberus "... during times of [fear] ...", perhaps?
 
Well, fear and trouble go hand in hand?
 
@Cerberus okay, i'll accept this thesis. however, your argument was about history in general, and i don't think there's any long-term trend towards stability
 
@Cerberus One can fear trouble that isn't actually present.
 
rather, stability is cyclical
 
5:41 PM
My argument was about the potential development of the RE into the Middle Ages had it remained stable and prosperous.
@MrHen Yes, that is possible. It is by no means one to one.
 
hmmm, okay then. i'll agree that it's plausible
 
@JSBձոգչ Or, rather, stability has never in history been ever-lasting.
 
@Cerberus yes, exactly.
 
But there are places that have not seen war for almost a millennium, I think.
 
@Cerberus That's just a tautology. We don't have an everlasting perspective so we wouldn't know if current stability will last forever.
 
5:42 PM
Like...Switzerland.
 
however, i'd say that Rome was on a downward trajectory for stability and prosperity since the 2nd century CE (at least), so the odds of it lasting very long into the middle ages were small
 
Yes.
Although trajectories are hard to prove.
The Byzantine Empire survived some downward trajectories.
 
arguably, the biggest problem with the RE was that they needed better monarchs
they never solved the problem of succession
so they had civil wars constantly
 
You can't have better unelected monarchs, I would venture to assert.
 
if rome had become a monarchy sooner and settled into a stable hereditary succession, things might have been better
or really, any stable system for selecting the monarch
 
5:45 PM
Many causes are named for the fall of the Empire.
 
of course
 
I would also say that large empires are prone to civil wars.
Even ones so centralised as China...
 
okay, off to get my present and a sandwich
 
Oh!
What did you do to deserve those?
 
@Cerberus That didn't last.
 
5:51 PM
Alas, no.
But they did at the time, to some degree.
 
Ugh, can a mod clean up this question please?
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Q: One word for Christmas?

HugoIs there a single word that means "Being merry at Christmas" but excludes being merry or happy at New Year?

 
I'm looking for a word similar to 'preemptive', and 'proactive'. A word to describe reacting to an event that has happened in the past.
 
Reactionary?
Anticipatory?
Preventative?
 
@Reg: I see a lot of pings came my way while I was away. What's the what?
 
@MattЭллен You are very popular.
 
5:55 PM
anticipatory and preventative all seem to be 'before that fact'
 
Yes.
 
reactionary seems to hold a political definition
 
Kind of, yes.
Reactive?
 
Yes! reactive
 
OK.
 
5:56 PM
brain-fart kind of day today.
 
Heh.
 

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