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12:00 AM
Too bad you didn't get the Old Hat for ELU.
Only for ELL.
@KitFox And there we have it. It must be midnight. The review stats have been reset.
 
Shit! I had only 6 more to upvote.
 
That's why we go over these things.
 
I thought it went to 8 o'clock.
sulks
 
Well. I warned to the best of my abilities.
But it's okay.
You can still get the hat today. Right now, even.
In fact that's what I'll be doing now. Going through the list I've been compiling in the last few hours.
 
Except now I have to vote on 24 more questions.
 
12:04 AM
Such is life. And life is a bitch.
 
Hey, I got Frosty the Snowman at least.
 
Right on.
You missed the other one though because deleting your question cost you -2.
It should have been me to delete it again.
No wait, that makes no sense.
 
What other one?
 
Hm.
 
Oh.
 
12:07 AM
How did I get it?
 
Get which?
 
Oh right, I think I got it for reopening rather than undeleting.
@KitFox the one I just got. I didn't get the snowman, because I downvoted earlier today, but I got the one you get for not having been downvoted.
 
Oh frig. You've got to be kidding me.
Dur.
Well, tomorrow.
 
Yeah no shit. Why the hell does that delete count as a downvote? Only because you accepted an answer?
I don't get it.
Fugetaboutit.
You'll get it faster than we'll figure out why you didn't get it yet.
Anyhoo, this is the one I meant.
 
Yeah, I just got that, too.
 
12:10 AM
But you got the snowman instead, which I have to be working now, so quid pro quo.
 
When’s the last time you repcapped?
 
Um. Last Winter Bash?
 
Ditto. I think.
 
(No, I did repcap like in July or something. But the point stands.)
 
7 views on the pederast question. 223 more to gold.
 
12:13 AM
Post it on facebook.
And reddit.
And fox news.
 
I was considering posting it on FB, but I don't think I want to drive my friends here.
 
Haha.
We're 27 ahead of Seasoned Advice.
 
Aww.
 
And Kit is up from 5 to 13 just like that.
 
You are just 17 behind on Stellar for adjective ordering rules.
 
12:21 AM
"Just".
I think I'll get Steward for Suggested Edits faster.
Iff anyone starts suggesting edits.
 
Yeah.
 
But it's funny you should mention it as I was thinking if I should buy a hat for me there for 50 reps.
Also getting a couple copper badges in the process.
Which I don't have on any site ever.
 
Huh. I got a review hat.
I thought I missed that.
 
Very good.
Remember to review 5 items in four other queues.
 
How did you rep cap today?
(too lazy to look)
 
12:26 AM
Mostly magic.
This was the slowest day ever.
 
How possible?
 
It was so slow and I was so desperate that at the end I started accepting three-year old answers just to get me 2 points here and 2 points there.
But yeah, mostly there was that metathesis answer I posted all new, which got me like 85.
And then there was the giving and taking here in chat where we were all going through each other's stuff.
 
I missed almost all of that.
 
And we missed you during all of that.
This does tell a story. Especially with the time stamps.
 
Yep.
Want to steal a checkmark?
 
12:30 AM
I tried that.
It seems collusion might be possible there.
Perhaps even via daisy chaining.
 
@KitFox I'm listening.
 
Heh.
 
Well, I have many questions with accepted answers.
 
Yeah but I think I answered exactly zero of them.
 
Yes. Exactly.
 
12:32 AM
And I am not coming up with an all-new stellar answer. I am old, you must know.
 
I might could put a bounty on one.
 
Speaking of which, now that we've pretty much covered all the easy stuff, be prepared to have to post.
 
I've been thinking about it.
 
Sigh.
I even looked for Reversals.
 
There are hats for X posts with Y upvotes each. There's also a hat for answering a question within the first five minutes of it being posted.
I lucked out on that one.
It's a secret hat, too.
Oh and 500 views in 2 days is a hat, too.
Tumbleweed on ELU is not possible. Not even theoretically. Why do they keep making that one each year.
Oh! and Guru badge on meta!
I was meaning to run some stats on that.
I am a whopping 12 votes away. Perhaps someone's closer.
I did some poking in the fog, but looks like everyone else is even worse off.
 
Anonymous
12:38 AM
Hello @ll. Does reading actually result in helping people become articulate (brevity-wise)? Because, I believe it does help with improving your grammar, and add a whole lot vocabulary, but I don't know how one can really learn/practice to be a concise and just make a point with few words, instead of using 'like' in-between every 3-5 words..
 
@RegDwigнt This hat business turns you into a Tchrist-like textwaller.
 
@Cerberus no, this being a slow day turns me into a textwaller.
Look at the time stamps.
 
Ah.
 
The posts are like OVER 9000 hours apart.
 
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A: Is Python a snake or a programming language? If the latter, why is it choking my dog?

MrHenI don't mind questions of the form "What words work in this context?" "Is there a word that can be used for both add and remove (i.e. from a set)?" seems perfectly fine. What bugs me is that they don't mention programming until after answers come back that don't work in a programming context. The...

 
12:39 AM
@RegDwigнt I'm sure Tchrist uses the same excuse.
 
32
A: Excessive downvoting

J.R.Sasha: Welcome to EL&U (and I mean that sincerely). When I was in school, there was a common refrain: there's no such thing as a stupid question. The sentiment was, if you are confused about something, you shouldn't be afraid to ask. I still believe that's true – there's no such thing as a stup...

 
@Cerberus tchrist needs no excuses. He's no little boy no more.
 
@Qǝuoɯᴉs Anything that improves your English in general will probably also tend to improve your ability to be concise.
@RegDwigнt Then why do you?
 
I have an idea.
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A: What is the difference between ELU and ELL?

J.R.ELU is a site intended for "serious linguists." Over time, many non-native speakers stumbled across ELU, and would ask questions that native speakers considered very basic. This caused mixed feelings: on one hand, as the board became flooded with more and more basic and trivial questions, some us...

Except it won’t work. Never mind.
 
@Qǝuoɯᴉs reading helps immensely, but what really helps with writing is writing.
How does that quip go, write something, then throw away half of it, then get rid of half of the rest. Then it might be good.
 
12:41 AM
31
A: Is it OK to answer to old questions?

z7sg ѪThere is nothing wrong with that, quite the opposite. In fact you can even win a nice shiny badge by reviving and answering an old question!

@RegDwigнt YES! PLEASE!!! Especially in programming: always throw the first two versions out.
 
I can't upvote any of those except for MrHen's, which I did.
 
I don’t think you can get badges for CW posts.
 
@tchrist I am trying to remember who said it and can't.
 
Anonymous
@Cerberus thanks. So, there is no silver bullet in being concise; but a combination of plenty other things that get job done? Fair enough! ... I just get so jealous when I hear very articulate speech with rich grammar. ehh =/
 
And Google is of zero help.
 
Anonymous
#9 funny as hell.
 
@Qǝuoɯᴉs ”Substitute damn every time you're inclined to write very; your editor will delete it and the writing will be just as it should be.” —Mark Twain
 
Anonymous
@tchrist paraphrase please?
 
Anonymous
Make it more idiot-friendly :)
 
No, it loses its charm.
This is the Oh the Horror! query for our meta.
 
12:46 AM
22
A: Opposite of 'Midas touch'?

Monica CellioSally's presence/involvement is the kiss of death. Jay's "born loser" is close but I think of that as mostly bringing ruin to the loser himself, while you seem to be looking for a term for someone who causes ruin to others.

 
Anonymous
I would rather loose the charm than the whole meaning.
 
One more upvote for a gold badge and a hat.
 
How?
Can’t see how to give somebody a gold for that.
 
omg you almost got me to vote on an answer.
 
Anonymous
Well, in that case, I retracted my vote.
 
12:50 AM
@tchrist votes can be removed if you're married to them.
25
Q: What does the phrase "Stay Hungry. Stay Foolish" mean?

動靜能量It was Steve Jobs's ending comment in the Stanford Commencement in 2005, and Jobs mentioned: Stay Hungry. Stay Foolish. What does this phrase mean? I understand this may also seem philosophical, but when studying English, often we not only study the words, but we often study what the mean...

How did this one get 103k views?
This is the first time I see it.
 
Because it’s about the Steve.
I wish there were tag-related hats.
 
Anonymous
It's the economy. People are searching more how to get rid of "Hungry"!
 
I am out of votes for today.
Will now have to make a second list. For all the stuff I'd normally downvote today, but can't.
 
Hathor ( or ; Egyptian: ', "mansion of Horus") is an Ancient Egyptian goddess who personified the principles of joy, feminine love, and motherhood. She was one of the most important and popular deities throughout the history of Ancient Egypt. Hathor was worshiped by Royalty and common people alike in whose tombs she is depicted as "Mistress of the West" welcoming the dead into the next life. In other roles she was a goddess of music, dance, foreign lands and fertility who helped women in childbirth, The cult of Hathor predates the historic period, and the roots of devotion to her are the...
 
@KitFox a couple votes are okay. I ended up voting on 8 answers and 32 questions.
Got the hat now.
 
12:54 AM
Gimme teh hatz.
 
Come on, surely we can find a threesome daisy-chain of check robbery between us.
 
OK, let me look at my questions.
 
Looks like I'll have to wait for the snowman till midnight, though.
Why would that be?
How can I cast a negative vote now?
 
Yesss! I have booted @Rob off the leaderboard.
 
Congrats!
I got him there, I got him off there. I am the god of hell fire.
Meanwhile I'm tied for #4 network-wide, but I trust myself with no longer being in the top 20 when I wake up tomorrow.
Also, we should watch out not to fall back behind the cooks again.
Looking ahead, we're a measly 240 behind Code Review. (Code Review??)
 
12:59 AM
@KitFox Ok, I found part one. Now on to the next link. I really do think we will be able to do this.
 
You set it up, I'll go read a page of Ursula before falling asleep.
Night all.
 
Night.
 
Night.
 
Holy crap, just saw the secret unicorn hat.
Do want.
 
@RegDwigнt WHERE?
 
1:01 AM
"I See Your Point", whatever that means.
I'm the frankfurter in a unicorn sandwich.
Hard not to notice.
 
Of course kalina has it.
sulks
 
You know her?
 
Yes.
She once tore into me for my "love of rape" and called me wicked names.
 
Кали́на () — род древесных цветковых растений семейства . Около 150 видов, распространённых большей частью в северном полушарии. Плоды некоторых видов используются в пищу. Кора и плоды некоторых видов используются в научной и народной медицине. Некоторые виды — декоративные красивоцветущие растения. Распространение и экология Широко распространены в умеренном поясе северного полушария и в Андах, встречаются также на Антильских островах и на Мадагаскаре. Большинство видов относительно теневыносливо и более или менее влаголюбиво. Размножаются посевом семян (косточек), зелёными черенка...
Whence Kalinka.
 
Suffice to say, she has a problem with the use-mention distinction.
Oh, Kalinka. That's pretty.
 
1:03 AM
She wouldn't make too good a dominatrix.
So anyway. "I See Your Point"? Does that mean, like, conceding to someone? By, say, deleting an answer? Upvoting a competing one?
You find it out, I am off as long stated.
 
Ironic.
 
Bai.
 
Hm, all my networks keep running through @AndrewLeach.
I found Kit -> me, now I’m looking for me -> Kit or me -> someone -> Kit.
 
@Qǝuoɯᴉs Yeah there's never a silver bullet with language.
 
Problem is SEDE isn’t good enough.
It would be much easier if only @Cerberus would join our foursome.
 
1:06 AM
So @tchrist, about this search thing, can I bug you some more or do you want to be left alone?
 
Umm I don't think so.
 
@KitFox Bug.
 
@KitFox And I've only ever been anything but nice to you. sad panda.
 
Oh, maybe I could get @Rob, since he’s here. Let’s see.
 
@Robusto I was only taunting you in an effort to encourage you to get moar hatz!
 
1:06 AM
@tchrist Whaddya need.
 
Lots run through @Hugo, too.
@Robusto We’re trying to set up a band of Marauders.
 
Sure, I'm in.
 
Where there’s a daisy chain instead of reciprocity.
 
Whose care do we take?
 
OK, so let's say we're using Elasticsearch, which is a document search tool that is "built on Lucene but natively JSON and RESTful."
 
1:08 AM
Marauders, right?
 
Is that something that could be used against an existing directory of html web pages?
 
@KitFox Yes.
@Rob It’s a travelling salesman problem. For example...
11
A: What purpose does an '-o' serve?

tchristEdit I should have checked the OED3; it has significantly expanded its treatment. They seem much more certain now, citing three distinct origins, then following that up with significant discussion in their finest print, and then their four distinct senses. Skip the fine print the first time yo...

If Kit moved the check to me, then I would have to move a check to her somewhere, or to someone who would then move theirs to her, recursively.
 
So if you had static html pages built overnight, you wouldn't have any reason to have a separate non-relational document database to store the same information in?
 
Let me check yours.
 
That would be pointless overhead, wouldn't it?
 
1:10 AM
@KitFox Seems like it.
Now, have I given a check to a question to somebody else that Rob or Kit also answered.
 
Particularly because you could add keywords to the pages in the build? Things that you could use as facets?
I'm trying to decide if I want to make this argument to the group or not.
 
@KitFox: You didn't knock me off the leaderboard. I have 13 hats. You have fewer.
 
I have 15.
 
@tchrist I already upvoted that way back in August.
 
It’s not upvoting, it’s checkloops we're looking for now.
 
1:13 AM
Oh, I see.
OK, what do I need to do?
 
Found a loop from me to Rob. Now we just need one from Rob to Kit.
 
Oh, have you viewed my pederasty question? 200 odd more views will earn me a gold. I think it is the one I am closest to.
 
Here’s the link from me -> Rob:
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A: Why don’t we write poetry like Beowulf any longer?

RobustoWho says we don't? Have you listened to rap or hip-hop lately? Anglo-Saxon poetry like Beowulf was heavily beat-based and while it didn't involve rhyme it used alliteration instead. The lines were recited to four stressed beats to a line with a coesura halfway between each one. I have long consid...

Now we have to find a question that Rob asked that Kit answered but didn’t get a check on, and we’re done.
 
I don't think...oh! The polyparse one?
Yes!
8
Q: Term for a word that is unintentionally made up of two or more other words?

RobustoFor example, therapist may be split into the + rapist, neither of which (arguably) has anything to do with the original words. Another example would be conflagration: con + flag + ration. Or weather: we + at + her. Note that words like threesome and purebred would not qualify, because the part...

 
Okeys.
I just checked @KitFox on that one.
 
1:17 AM
So I give mine to @tchrist on the -o question, right?
 
Right.
And I give mine to Rob on Beowulf.
And we all three get Marauders, indirectly.
 
Nice.
 
Done.
Did it work?
 
Done.
We’ll see.
 
Will it stay if we switch them back?
I feel bad stealing reps for hats.
 
1:18 AM
Once we get the hat, yes.
It has to look and see it.
It will probably give a Marauder to both. :)
I was worried they might check for reciprocity and get annoyed.
So I wanted an indirect chain.
 
Good idea.
 
@tchrist And for a little quid pro quo, pick a question you'd like to see a bounty on.
 
I have three bounties running right now, albeit for somewhat sneakier reasons than the obvious one.
 
11
Q: Is there a semantic difference between "pedophile" and "pederast"?

KitFoxIf I understand the etymology of pedophile and pederast, both mean child lover. Is there a difference in their connotation? In some recent local news stories that discuss changing sex offender laws, the controversy has centered around dividing the pedophiles and the rapists from the more questi...

Look at this question!
Share it with your friends!
 
I'm not going to check that one.
And I'm certainly not going to put a bounty on it.
Geezis.
 
1:21 AM
Not a bounty, I don't care about that.
 
@KitFox Sweeticums, you could always just do it yourself, you know.
 
I just want the gold badge for views.
 
Exactly.
 
For a HAT!
 
Yes.
la la la
 
1:22 AM
@KitFox Wow. And here I thought you had fallen as far as it was possible to fall already.
 
Never! There is always farther to fall!
 
@KitFox Hint.
 
Nope. Don't get it.
 
It’s how I got the views hats last Winterfest.
 
...from the stats page?
 
1:24 AM
No.
Pick your question.
Then do something like this:
 
@tchrist Wut.
 
Hmm. Doesn't work ... oh. Of course, it is cached.
 
@Robusto It’s true.
 
Seems like such an obvious exploit.
 
Yep.
Worked last year.
Now they changed it to make it impossible to do from a single source address.
Because it has to be 500 in 2880 minutes.
 
1:32 AM
I'm going to try something. Don't panic.
 
Here, @Kit, I’ll do you and you’ll see.
 
OK, I edited this.
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A: Why do we say "he asked after you" not "he asked about you"?

tchristIt is more common today to ask for someone than to ask after them, but it means the same thing. It means to inquire or make inquiries regarding that person. The OED says you will still encounter ask after someone in dialect use, but it has for the most part been replaced by asking for someone. ...

Try rolling it back.
 
Ok, done.
 
Did you get a hat?
The unicorn thing has something to do with rolling back edits.
 
Hatchecks aren’t instantaneous.
 
1:34 AM
I know. I just meant for you to look out and see. And where's the damn pirate hat!?
 
Waiting. Why do you think it has something to do with rollbacks?
 
I went poking around.
 
Well, ok.
Maybe not depth of one?
 
It kind of makes sense. "I See Your Point." Maybe...
 
94 Enlightened badges. Six more for the steak knives.
I don't have any new hats since logging on.
 
1:38 AM
OK, I have to go before I go completely nuts. See you all tomorrow.
 
@Robusto Steak knives?
 
Or something.
It would just be nice to have 100 Enlightened badges. I don't really know why.
 
You know, it would be annoying if Marauder is only for new answers.
 
Make me feel like I've done something with my time on Earth.
 
That would be much too easy to collude and retract.
 
1:40 AM
@tchrist I was having the same thought.
 
Easy enough to test.
 
"steal an accepted answer checkmark by posting a better answer"
Sounds to me like you have to actually post an answer.
Not just get awarded a check.
 
I wonder if it has to be higher?
Otherwise collusion too easy.
 
Well, they can't think of everything.
When setting up logic rules in a program you've written, haven't you ever missed something totally obvious?
 
They often miss things.
I deleted and undeleted my own posting to get the skull.
 
1:45 AM
Haha.
I just kinda got that one for free somehow.
@tchrist: BTW, a minor point: "Did we lose our old poetical form of Beowulf, the alliterative poetry of the skalds?" Actually, the proper term would be scop, not skald. A skald wrote in Old Norse, not Old English.
 
Which one for free?
 
@tchrist Reanimator, or whatever. The skull.
 
Right, the one I told you to undelete or reopen.
 
Must be.
That was back in the early days of hats. I can't remember that far back.
A (Pronunciation: IPA: /ʃɒp/ or /skɒp/) was a poet as represented in Old English poetry. The scop is the Anglo-Saxon counterpart of the Old Norse ', with the important difference that "skald" was applied to historical persons while "scop" is used, for the most part, to designate oral poets within Old English literature. Etymology Old English ' and its cognate Old High German ' (glossing ' and '; also ') may be related to the verb scapan "to create, form" (Old Norse skapa, Old High German scaffan; Modern English shape), from Proto-Germanic ' "form, order" (from a PIE ' "cut, hack"), ...
A minor point, but I figured you like to be fastidious.
 
scop != scald?
 
1:51 AM
Yep.
Pronounced like shop.
 
Well.
The <sc> is modern <sh>.
The vowel might be the CLOTH vowel, or the CLAW vowel, or the CLOSE vowel: I don’t know.
 
Yep. As in biscop (OE) => bishop (ModE).
 
Was it a long o?
 
More like cloth.
 
The short o is the CLOTH vowel.
Or rather, the CLAW one if those are different for you.
 
1:54 AM
My OE professor pronounced it approximately like that.
He was from the Carolinas, though.
And he looked with disdain on anyone who pronounced it skop. "Get these Danes out of my class," he would say.
 
I don’t think any Americans have all three of /ɑ, ɒ, ɔ/ as separate phonemes, but I am not sure.
Southern Californians, and hence Hollywood, has the first one only.
I have the third one in a lot of places other Americans don’t.
But cloth, clawed, law, thought, ought are all the same to me, while hot and not are the same but not like those.
I also have a vowel in CALM that works like "call me", as do you.
But not many people do.
I think it might be a Chicago-area-ism.
If we could say "calmy" for "calmish", it would be homophonic with "call me" to me.
 
Chicago is flatter: coll(m)
Cahlm.
Well, at least we beat them cooks.
 

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