English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

tchrist

03:00

Then it is the same.

Cerberus

Depends on your model.

Joseph Weissman

They are different functions or senses of the word at the very least.

Cerberus

In a traditional dependency model, it has to be either one or the other.

tchrist

I call it an -ing word. It serves.

Joseph Weissman

And they are distinguished by different forms in many other languages. Because it gets confusing :)

tchrist

03:00

Stop talking about other languages.

Cerberus

@JosephWeissman Yes. Even the Chomskeyesque model recognises this.

tchrist

Is talking a gerund or partipeople?

Cerberus

@tchrist You are allowed to use whichever model suits you.

tchrist

You can’t even tell me what talking is.

Cerberus

Is that a conjunction, or a relative pronoun, or a demonstrative pronoun/adjective?

tchrist

03:02

Stop talking about other languages.

What is talking?

Cerberus

Or does it perhaps depend on the context?

tchrist

Stop talking without saying anything.

What is talking?

Joseph Weissman

Talking for our purposes here is expressing ideas through a universal or abstract grammar that, among other things, distinguishes between gerunds and participles :)

tchrist

And why should we care?

Cerberus

2 mins ago, by Cerberus

In a traditional dependency model, it has to be either one or the other.

tchrist

03:02

So you just pick a random label.

What does that buy you?

What can you use that to prove or disprove?

Stop making sense.

Cerberus

@JosephWeissman Right, that's the model I was describing! But there are other models, and no doubt they has a satisfactory way of dealing with this phenomenon...

8 mins ago, by Cerberus

Well, a participle is basically an adjective that can have verbal arguments. A gerund is a noun that can have verbal arguments (just like an infinitive).

tchrist

It’s a word with arguments.

You said that twice.

Thrice, even, if we count carefully.

Making sense is what we do. Then stop making sense.

Pretty damned sure those are the same thing.

Joseph Weissman

I mean, the structures and hierarchies in language matter. Grammar is political as much as God is... If anything, this is what Chomsky misses -- perhaps surprisingly, given politics, right? The way language in its syntax organizes knowledge and power

Semantics and control; making people programmable, capable of instruction and so on

tchrist

@JosephWeissman You’re a krafty one, aren’t you?

Joseph Weissman

I'm tempted to talk about the two models of education: whether you inculcate or indoctrinate, cause wisdom to arrive from without or arise from within

But I worry I'm on a tangent :)

Cerberus

03:05

@tchrist Stop can normally have a noun as its secondary argument, so you could say it is a gerund there. I'm on the fence. But go does not.

tchrist

Stop and go.

Sounds like traffic lights to me.

Start making sense?

Cerberus

@JosephWeissman That is certainly an important aspect of language!

Sociolinguistics.

@tchrist I hurt my head and my friend.

The fact that both phrases can be used as a secondary argument to the "same" verb doesn't mean they function in the same way.

tchrist

Well, maybe you need more room.

Cerberus

In other words, it proves nothing.

tchrist

Oh, I think hurting your head and hurting your friend are quite the same thing.

Cerberus

03:08

Then you need lessons in syntax and semantics.

tchrist

If you bump your head, it hurts.

If you bump your friend, she hurts.

Same thing.

You can hurt your head by bumping it, and you can hurt your friend by bumping her.

At which point both your head and your friend will be hurting.

You really should apologize.

It will help them both stop hurting.

Cerberus

The verb hurt can have different meanings and correspondingly different predicate frames.

Different semantic roles.

Joseph Weissman

Interesting that the difference we're trying to articulate is that between hurting someone and someone hurting...

tchrist

My head hurts.

Cerberus

@JosephWeissman Yes!

tchrist

03:11

So does Cerberus.

Cerberus

When you hurt without a patient/experiencer as an object, it is you who are in pain. And the limb in which you experience this pain can be expressed as the object of hurt: I hurt my foot. Subject = experiencer; object = [a semantic role I'd have to look up, maybe location?]. I hurt my friend: subject = agent; object = patient or experiencer.

tchrist

Those aren’t different.

In one case, your foot hurts, and in the other, your friend does.

Cerberus

Both of your sentences are of type A.

But, in my example, you see both types A and B.

Joseph Weissman

Patience versus agency.

tchrist

If you hurt your foot or your friend, your foot or your friend hurts.

Unless you hurt your friend’s foot. Then it’s the lucky one that gets to hurt.

Cerberus

03:15

Tautology. Petitio principii.

Joseph Weissman

Yes, you are hurting your foot and your foot is being-hurt (patiently undergoing a "hurting," or a becoming-hurt, etc.)

tchrist

What, you’re taking signatures now?

Who taut you to do that?

Cerberus

Wait, it's petitio pricipii. I knew that.

tchrist

Stupid princes.

Cerberus

@JosephWeissman So then the foot would become a kind of agent or experiencer, which would be...weird. Aren't you still the person experiencing the pain, instead of your foot?

tchrist

03:17

Why do people name their dogs Prince but not King or Emperor? “Here Emperor, fetch boy!” just doesn’t work. Why not?

Cerberus

At any rate, the predicate frames / semantic roles are not identical.

Joseph Weissman

Well, it seems like effectively the same to say that you're experiencing a hurting in your foot. --Maybe I'm missing the point though :)

Cerberus

@JosephWeissman That's right.

I hurt my foot = I'm experiencing a hurting in my foot.

I hurt my friend ≠ I'm experiencing a hurting in my friend.

tchrist

It might be fun to name a dog Count.

Cerberus

Different constructions.

Or at least sentences that are different in some important aspect.

tchrist

03:19

Why is it always about you?

Joseph Weissman

Yeah. That seems to bring out the reflexivity; that in case the movement is circular or there's finally no gap between the understanding/knowledge of the experience of the subject and the patient. Unlike loving or hurting others, etc.

Cerberus

You could say the foot is metaphoric: you're talking about your foot as if it were an experiencer separate from you.

tchrist

You’re hurting your chances now.

Cerberus

@JosephWeissman Right, if you consider yourself and your foot as part of the same entity, then it is in a way reflexive.

But only partially.

Like I hurt myself.

tchrist

If you hurt your chances, why can’t your chances hurt?

They could be hurting, I suppose.

Cerberus

03:22

Why should they?

tchrist

Because you hurt them.

If you hurt them, they hurt.

Cerberus

You're caught in an English trap.

The same word does not always mean the same thing.

Joseph Weissman

I mean, it's interesting. I think the orthographical collapse inspires certain aesthetic and poetic resonances that are unique. Because of the muddling, mixing.

Cerberus

Absolutely!

Joseph Weissman

Meanings or senses can escape across the gap.

Cerberus

03:24

Although I don't think there was ever a collapse in a temporal sense in the case of hurt.

tchrist

> Beautiful catch by Ealy. Poor Paul Williams, that man's chances are hurting.

I guess Ealy hurt Williams’s chances by catching the ball.

Cerberus

Many verbs can be used medially (as in the middle verb) as well as actively.

tchrist

Rather interesting, don’t you think?

So chances are like feelings.

Cerberus

I read books. This book reads like pornography.

tchrist

They can be hurt.

@Cerberus What, you mean its pages are stuck together?

Cerberus

03:26

Et plurima cetera.

tchrist

That’s an interesting use of reads.

Joseph Weissman

> One always dies too soon-- or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are-- your life, and nothing else. (No Exit)

tchrist

It’s like when a wine drinks well.

Cerberus

Heh.

Toujours Sarte!

tchrist

Et tousoirs aussi.

Cerberus

03:27

I read Huis Clos in high school without knowing what to expect.

Joseph Weissman

Immediately after this, a character complains about how poisonous it is to have an answer for everything... :)

Cerberus

Oops!

Joseph Weissman

@Cerberus What did you think? I bounced off the text a few times without really getting much. Took a long time.

Cerberus

Right, okay; the only thing is that traditional grammar, as I know it, agrees with your bullet points 1 and 2 without any doubt; it also agrees with point 4, except for the small minded; as to 3, you may be partially right there, but, even if you're talking strictly about syntactic modification, there are enough widely recognised constructions apo koinou... in short, beware of the strawman! — Cerberus 12 secs ago

@JosephWeissman To be honest, it was too long ago. I probably missed a lot of stuff.

But l'enfer, c'est les autres...

I probably still don't understand all the nuances of how Sarte intended it.

I understood it mainly in the sense of judgement, I think.

Joseph Weissman

03:46

It is definitely a little about judgment, yeah. :)

You were paying attention, I think. --I'm certainly not a Sartre expert, though.

Cerberus

You more so than I, no doubt!

I now think it may also be even broader.

@JosephWeissman As in, seeing oneself as a thing ruled by the deterministic rules of the natural/mechanist universe, as opposed to a subject with a free will.

But I'm not sure whether that was what Sarte intended.

Joseph Weissman

What is free will when other people are our reality principle? :)

Cerberus

Our reality principle?

Is nothing real if one lives alone?

Joseph Weissman

I definitely think we oscillate between zero and the multiple. Desert islands and the sea.

I mean, I guess one thought here is that our freedom is tied up with economics, the law, language, the unconscious, etc.

Cerberus

I don't know...a Stoic would disagree!

Joseph Weissman

03:53

It has to mean freedom for the whole world or it's kind of meaningless. So it's also an unfreedom; we're hostage to others, to the ethical demand they make just by existing.

Cerberus

@JosephWeissman Sure, that is definitely an essential part of Sarte's enfer.

Joseph Weissman

Two freedoms, right? One of judgment or responsibility, one of the free spirit and daybreak.

Cerberus

I don't know...

Joseph Weissman

Well, just perhaps to say that the real jailbreak is maybe that of culture itself; freedom from subservience to the aims of the state, the church, the market, etc.

Cerberus

Is being a free spirit not similar to being free of responsibilitieS?

@JosephWeissman Right, that one is closely related to Sarte's idea.

It is also an important concept in most Ancient philosophies.

Especially Epicurism and Stoicism.

Most especially of the Stoa.

Epicurus would perhaps tolerate it to some degree.

Joseph Weissman

04:02

I'm tempted to say it has to mean mixture and rupture are first principles. Drift, flow, delirium beneath any supposed transcendental self, reason, truth, etc. And in Critique of Dialectical Reasoning he will say some interesting things about groups-in-fusion. --He goes very far in this direction, really.

Cerberus

Hmm...

Joseph Weissman

In terms of trying to use fiction and so on to reconfigure how we think about the construction of reality, social and economic existence, texts and artistic works, etc. And the two lines are always mixed up, in motion.

Cerberus

Ah OK.

Yes, that's what fiction is very good at.

Joseph Weissman

There are unexpected plot holes in Sartre's work, missing places where people and events should be :)

Cerberus

Oh, dear...

No Satan in Huis Clos.

Joseph Weissman

04:07

Sure. Or anything happening at all. It's Beckett, a sober subtraction, an aesthetics of analysis rather than synthesis and connection.

Cerberus

Is such a form of analysis more or less effective than a simple one that is straight to the point?

I don't know...I think it depends.

I often crave the other where one is used.

Although, in the case of Huis Clos, it was fairly satisfactory, at least to me.

Joseph Weissman

It's an ambitious failure. Perhaps consciously.

At any rate, it obviously set a lot of black holes resonating. Consciousness and signification and subjection. Sartre's very good at showing how these are obstructions, white walls to break down somehow, decode.

Cerberus

It has us discussing the play, has it not?

Black holes and white walls?

Joseph Weissman

Sure. Or just his work thinks a lot about people, their extension in the world as a series of absences.

> "Will night never come?"

Faciality is the black hole/white wall system. Categorizing faces according to binary coordinates. Black/white; male/female...

Picasso says that tradition isn't wearing your father's hat, it's having a baby.

Cerberus

@JosephWeissman Not sure I understand this...

Haha, why a baby?

Joseph Weissman

04:18

Well, to my mind, it's opposing sexual (re)production to machinic connection of n-sexes according to the different kinds of afferent and efferent couplings they permit (inputs, outputs)

Cerberus

Uhh...

That was about Picasso?

Joseph Weissman

Sure, why not?

Cerberus

I couldn't tell you, because I don't understand it!

Joseph Weissman

And as far as faces -- well, it's a complicated question, they're monstrous hoods -- but the white wall is also at least in part the white face, Christs' face if you like.

Cerberus

Not sure Tchrist will agree...

Joseph Weissman

04:22

I'm really talking about majoritarianism. And the repression, often clandestine, of minor lines of variation.

Cerberus

Is a white wall different from any other kind of limiting paradigm?

Or...a glass ceiling?

Joseph Weissman

Well, it's Melville's wall, his white whale, the cost of his becoming-Whale if you like

Cerberus

Hmm I need to look that up...

Joseph Weissman

Minoritarian becomings are revolutionary; this is a big point here I think.

They produce rhythms that disorient and decode the major powers and languages, set them drifting along a line of continuous variation.

Cerberus

Becomings?

Can't a minority cause gradual change also, rather than a revolution?

MετάEd

04:26

@Cerberus As opposed to beings, I suppose. We are not static.

Joseph Weissman

Sure; like music takes on a minor key :) --Transporting us along a line that evokes the night, perhaps even the East and so on. Melancholy.

MετάEd

(But I am butting in, I fear.)

Cerberus

@MετάEd People?

I prefer gradual change over revolutions...but I think we have already talked about this, haven't we?

Joseph Weissman

I mean, minor movements and variations operate strategically, in guerilla fashion; making use of what is at hand and so on. Using what speeds and slowness are needed to activate a nomad war machine which doesn't take war as its object, but composes a smooth space and sets people in movement through the space

Cerberus

I suppose.

It is basically a lot less destructive of good things.

And a lot more durable than a revolution.

Joseph Weissman

04:45

Probably gotta get some rest. Thanks for bearing with the gobbledygook.

Cerberus

Haha, the same to you!

Good night.

I will go soon too.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

05:16

I fully understood about ARM7TDMI CPU

=D....

Took me 1.5 days

Noah

07:51

Hello

Anyone there?:

@DavidWallace

How are you?

David Wallace

Assalaamu alaykum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh, Akhi Noah. How are you?

Oliver Salzburg

10:12

@Cerberus It definitely isn't perfect. The bubble is even sometimes not displayed correct for me. I'll have to fix it sometime

KitFox

10:55

Morning.

David Wallace

11:11

@KitFox Hello

The disadvantage of your new avatar, Kit, is that nothing changes as it fades.

KitFox

11:58

I see that as a feature.

Matt Эллен

Hello.

KitFox

Hiya!

Matt Эллен

For some reason I didn't get those emails, yesterday

looks like you're on a black list...

or maybe I'm on a black list

maybe I'm not allowed to receive personal emails. only emails from corporations

KitFox

Oh.

Um.

Should I try again?

You know what? I'll try sending you a link via Tumblr fan mail.

Matt Эллен

I'll check later.

OK! that has not knowingly failed :D

KitFox

12:11

Sent.

And now for some coffee.

David Wallace

@KitFox You say tomato. I say tomato. Literally.

KitFox

Oh my God, there's no tomatoes.

Matt Эллен

You say tomato liturgically!

David Wallace

@MattЭллен Do I?

Matt Эллен

No, Kit. "Oh my God, there's no tomatoes"

David Wallace

12:24

Oh, yeah, that's right.

I ALMOST said that, last time I was in Los Angeles.

Matt Эллен

I should have replied to Kit, to remove confusion

David Wallace

Which was also the first time I was in Los Angeles.

There were no tomatoes.

Matt Эллен

Was it a good time?

KitFox

@MattЭллен I do?

Was it the invocation of a deity what did it?

David Wallace

I didn't leave the airport. But I bought a disgusting burger that had reconstituted chicken in it, and lettuce, and no tomatoes.

Matt Эллен

12:26

@KitFox Those deities are always listening.

David Wallace

There was some kind of outbreak of a tomato disease, and there were no tomatoes anywhere in the western United States.

Or at least, none that anybody was allowed to eat.

Matt Эллен

@DavidWallace I prefer burgers like that. I'm not a fan of tomatoes in sandwich type things

I like ketchup on them, though

KitFox

gasp

Oh.

Well, same thing.

David Wallace

I thought it would be a decent chunk of chicken. For the price it should have been. But it was this horrible thing that tasted like cardboard. It was probably a good thing that no tomatoes were wasted on it.

I mean, like the burgers from KFC. But it wasn't.

KitFox

You should really bring your own food when traveling.

Also, a towel.

Matt Эллен

12:29

except then they won't let you in the country

David Wallace

A towel is good.

KitFox

@MattЭллен Only if it's wet stuff.

Matt Эллен

Oh yes, towels are very important

David Wallace

They won't let me into New Zealand with food. But usually, when I get to New Zealand, I've finished travelling.

KitFox

But maybe that was part of my plan, eh?

Matt Эллен

12:30

@KitFox Tell that to the border guard who confiscated my brother's candy (each piece individually wrapped)

KitFox

Bastard!

Which country?

David Wallace

@MattЭллен In which country?

Matt Эллен

although this was over a decade ago

@KitFox the USA

David Wallace

!!/jinx

Caprica Six

KitFox

12:30

Probably thought it was acid.

Which border crossing?

Matt Эллен

he would have been 14 at the time

KitFox

So?

David Wallace

It's lucky he wasn't 4. There would have been tears.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox hmmm. I think we'd flown into LV

KitFox

Sorry. That was a bit aggressive.

@MattЭллен Well, there you go. Sin City.

So any kid is carrying drugs.

David Wallace

12:31

The word is feisty. Feisty is good.

KitFox

Nah, that came across as mean and I didn't mean it that way.

Hey, I got an email from Jasper.

Matt Эллен

How is the old fruit?

David Wallace

@KitFox Lovely.

KitFox

Sounds like he is doing pretty OK.

David Wallace

(Just thought I'd better clarify which line I was replying to)

Matt Эллен

12:32

that's good to hear. I should write to him

KitFox

He'd probably like that.

You could write to me too.

David Wallace

Me! Me! Pick me!

Matt Эллен

yeah, but we chat daily :D I'd have nothing to say

KitFox

Oh right. Or David. You could write to David.

Matt Эллен

speaking of having nothing to say

David Wallace

12:35

Hahaha.

But you DO talk to me less than you talk to Kit.

Matt Эллен

I do.

David Wallace

Most people do. I'm starting to think that Kit has something I don't.

Matt Эллен

not an avatar, that's for sure

David Wallace

She has one. It's just monotonous. Literally.

Mitch

@MattЭллен Jesus Christ, what kind of sick thug ... wait, what -kind- of candy?

Matt Эллен

12:39

@Mitch I don't recall

KitFox

@DavidWallace I have several things that you don't.

David Wallace

You have no idea what I've got.

KitFox

True, but I have a good idea of what you lack.

zing!

Matt Эллен

AFAIK you don't share a husband

or children

or nationality

or house

and neither of have this banana

KitFox

So you talk to me more because I'm a USA person?

Matt Эллен

12:41

no

Robusto

Oh, USA! Just like in Riddley Walker!

Riddley Walker

Riddley Walker is a science fiction novel by Russell Hoban, first published in 1980. It won the John W. Campbell Memorial Award for best science fiction novel in 1982, as well as an Australian Science Fiction Achievement Award in 1983. It was additionally nominated for the Nebula Award for Best Novel in 1981. Hoban began writing the novel in 1974, inspired by the medieval wall painting of the legend of Saint Eustace at Canterbury Cathedral. It is Hoban's best-known adult novel and a drastic departure from his other work, although he continued to explore some of the same themes in other...

David Wallace

@MattЭллен Who said anything about sharing?

KitFox

What?

David Wallace

And I have my OWN banana.

Robusto

BTW, @Kit, I left you some graffiti.

David Wallace

12:43

... house, nationality and child.

Mitch

@MattЭллен If it was Twizzlers, you and you family should be imprisoned for transporting hi-tech chemical weapons across state borders. He of course should be given a top job at NSA. That border guard should be fired for not being more aggressive. I bet he was secretly Canadian.

KitFox

@Robusto kthx

Matt Эллен

@DavidWallace thus you don't have the ones that Kit does.

Mitch

@MattЭллен sad face because my banana just isn't good enough

Matt Эллен

@Mitch it was some kind of fruit flavoured, hard candy

David Wallace

12:44

@MattЭллен That doesn't really count, though, does it?

Matt Эллен

@DavidWallace why wouldn't they count?

KitFox

He means in terms of topics of conversation, they don't have to be the same ones.

Matt Эллен

anyway. The fun of facetiousness is short lived

David Wallace

In the category of "something that Kit has but I don't", it's not fair to count Kit's jacket, Kit's stockings, Kit's house, Kit's bookcase, or anything else that I have equivalents of.

Matt Эллен

Yes it is, because they separate the two of you

Mitch

12:46

@MattЭллен Oh... Lemonheads ... those can be used as an accelerant in aerosol bioattack missiles ... weapon ... things.

David Wallace

@Mitch Did you try that?

Mitch

@MattЭллен but bears repeating.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox true, but in terms of content of conversations they do.

David Wallace

Diet coke and mentos are so last decade.

Mitch

@DavidWallace I'm not allowed to answer that.

Matt Эллен

12:48

facetiousness*

Mitch

@DavidWallace technology advances.

David Wallace

Remember when jaffas were used as weapons in movies?

Mitch

What's a jaffa?

David Wallace

@Mitch Really?

Mitch

Really.

Robusto

12:48

@MattЭллен That means you are afflicted with facets. I can only sympathize.

Mitch

I think it is a town in Israel.

David Wallace

It's orange-flavoured hard candy with a chocolate centre.

Mitch

Gack!

That's totally wrong!

David Wallace

Don't tell me you don't have jaffas where you come from?

KitFox

@MattЭллен ftfy

Matt Эллен

12:49

thanks :D

Robusto

Oh, @Mitch, your banana is plenty good enough. @Matt is always boasting about his banana in this chat, but so far he has offered no evidence of its quality.

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Mitch

However a tootsiepop is a fruitflavored hard candy lollipop with a tootsie roll center.

David Wallace

@KitFox Oh. I was looking at that, wondering why you would spell "fuck the fuck up" with a Y.

Matt Эллен

@Robusto You just need to have faith in my banana

Mitch

@Robusto sad face turned upside down My banana is OK!

Robusto

12:50

@MattЭллен I will not worship false bananas. Get thee behind me! Oh, wait ...

Matt Эллен

lol

KitFox

Out of the many bananas I have sampled in my lifetime, only a very small percentage were not OK.

Robusto

It is the nature of bananas to be pretty much OK.

David Wallace

Well, I've just learned that Jaffas are an antipodean thing. Amazing.

Jaffas

Jaffas is the registered trademark for a small round sweet consisting of a soft chocolate centre with a hard covering of orange flavoured, orange coloured confectionery. The name derives from the Jaffa orange. The sweet is part of Australian and New Zealand cultural folklore. Jaffas have often been sold in cinemas and have gained iconic status because of the noise made when they are dropped (accidentally or deliberately) and rolled down sloping wooden floors. Through association with this sweet, Jaffa is sometimes used to describe a chocolate-orange flavour. James Stedman-Henderson's S...

Robusto

The banana experience is pretty much uniform worldwide. It is the McDonald's of fruit.

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Matt Эллен

12:52

@DavidWallace Oh! I thought you mean Jaffa Cakes

Mitch

@DavidWallace What is the sound they make when deliberately dropped rolling down sloping wooden floors?

David Wallace

@MattЭллен No. You wouldn't throw those in a movie theatre.

Matt Эллен

@Robusto similar litter levels, but less obessity problem

@DavidWallace no

Mitch

@Robusto What? Apples are the McDonald's. Bananas are the ... Taco Bell of fruits.

KitFox

Mmm, Taco Bell.

wants gordita

Robusto

12:53

@Mitch No. It is possible to have bad apples. And they spoil the whole bunch.

David Wallace

@Mitch You should get some and try it.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox oh dear, not that again!

Mitch

Gordita sounds like a term of endearment for a fat granma.

David Wallace

@Robusto It is possible to have bad McDonald's. I know these things first hand.

Robusto

@KitFox Haha, You like little fatties.

Mitch

12:54

@Robusto It takes just one.

Matt Эллен

Dec 21 '11 at 20:16, by RegDwight Ѭſ道

No Gordita in this chat.

Robusto

@DavidWallace All McDonald's are bad. My point was that they were uniform. The same experience everywhere.

Matt Эллен

Feb 15 '12 at 19:39, by Robusto

Oh, well, screw that. If we're banning Gorditas, I'm out of here.

Robusto

Wait, do I have to leave now?

David Wallace

@Robusto I get what you meant; I just disagree. I have had BAD McDonald's, WORSE McDonald's and EVEN WORSE THAN THAT McDonald's.

Robusto

12:56

OK, well we have to look at those as statistical outliers.

Matt Эллен

@Robusto now you have to leave then

Robusto

@MattЭллен But I did leave then. Wait, I'm confused.

Mitch

@Robusto They have McD's in India. Their chickpea BigMac (called EatMeGanesh) tastes exactly like a BigMac (the secret is the bun).

Matt Эллен

@Robusto If you've already left then I think you've fulfilled your leaving obligations

David Wallace

Has anyone here actually bought a Big Mac in the evening, taken it home, put it in the fridge overnight, then microwaved it for breakfast? It's hard to imagine anything more disgusting.

Mitch

12:57

@DavidWallace So how was it?

I mean how did your 'friend' like it?

Robusto

There are things that are not meant to be attempted by mortal man. You have crossed to the Dark Side if you are taking Big Macs home and refrigerating them. You'd better call in a HazMat team.

David Wallace

Haha. I have done this, other than the buying it part. I mean, I have microwaved yesterday's big macs for breakfast. I don't recommend the experience.

KitFox

@Robusto But...most bananas are not bad. Now I'm confused about your analogy.

David Wallace

@Mitch Eat me Ganesh? Seriously? This isn't Bollywood pornography?

Robusto

@KitFox There, there, it's all right. I was just trying to make a peace offering to David. You and I can secretly enjoy McDonald's, OK?

Mitch

12:59

@DavidWallace What the hell? YOu openly claim to have stolen from McD's? Authorities notified.

Matt Эллен

@Robusto HazMac™

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