English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Cerberus

00:03

@DavidWallace Yup! Apparently, the English government now sucks at English, too.

But I have to go now.

Laterz!

David Wallace

Why would anyone want to block anorexia and eating disorder web sites? Those sites save lives.

Mitch

02:44

@Cerberus that list is goofy. blocked are 'web forums' and 'esoteric material'? What is -not- a web forum nowadays? also esoteric is a little broad; that must be a euphemism for 'miscellaneous stuff that got blocked but we couldn't figure out the common thread'

@KitFox da da da duuuum, da da da duuum, da da da da da da dahhh.

Well, the part of the tune I remember.

tchrist

@Mitch He’s just rabble-rousing. Pay it no heed: that crap would never happen.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

How do you generally pronounce AMD? I say it like "Armd"

and I saw some people say this like "A-M-D"

tchrist

Why did you stick an RRRRRRRR in there?

If it needed an R, it would have had one already.

David Wallace

@tchrist Oh, for goodness sake, Tom. Not EVERYONE is American.

4

tchrist

[eɪ(j)ɛmˈdi]

@DavidWallace Please go away. And thank you for doing so.

@DavidWallace Thank you for insulting Canadians and Scots.

@DavidWallace Thank you also for insulting Americans. Why is that necessary, @David?

Nincompoop.

tchrist

03:23

Cerberus

@Mitch Haha, exactly!

It's so evil it's funny.

tchrist

Cerberus

I know those butterflies!

At least some of them.

I saw one today whose name I couldn't think of.

tchrist

One of those ones?

Cerberus

And I'm totally drunk right now too.

tchrist

03:30

Oh good, now’s our chance to have our way with you then!

Cerberus

@tchrist No, it was different, but this one reminded me of it.

Same colours, different pattern.

@tchrist You wouldn't dare!

tchrist

That one is a Monarch. It has relatives.

Like the Viceroy and the Queen.

Cerberus

Yeah, it's nothing like that.

It's much smaller.

tchrist

But the colors, well, that could be any fritillary.

Hm.

Cerberus

It's orange on black, though. With some white.

tchrist

03:33

Melitaeini

Melitaeini are a group of brush-footed butterflies. Usually classified as a tribe of the Nymphalinae, they are sometimes raised to subfamily status as Melitaeinae. Common names include the highly ambiguous "fritillaries" (also used for some Heliconiinae), checkerspots, crescents, or crescentspots, and some genus-specific names. Genera The 20–25 genera of Melitaeini are divided among 5 subtribes; some species are also listed. The subtribes, in the presumed phylogenetic sequence, are: Subtribe Euphydryina * Euphydryas – "fritillaries", "checkerspots" Subtribe Melitaeina * Melita...

Cerberus

tchrist

There are squillions of them.

Oh, that one.

Cerberus

I think it was this one!

Called little fox.

tchrist

That’s a comma or a question mark. Some sort of tortoiseshell.

Cerberus

A common but not extremely common butterfly here.

tchrist

03:33

Reminds me of a red admiral, too.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

Which gay artist do you like better between Justin Bieber and Adam Lambert?

tchrist

Wait, got it.

It is a tortoiseshell!

@O0oO0oOO0ooO Are you trying to be offensive, or merely vice versa?

Small Tortoiseshell

The Small Tortoiseshell (Aglais urticae L.) is a colourful and well-known Eurasian butterfly in the family Nymphalidae. Range It is found throughout temperate Europe, Asia Minor, Central Asia, Siberia, China, Mongolia, Korea and Japan. There are a few records from New York City which, however, are believed to be of introduced insects. Subspecies *A. u. urticae (Linnaeus, 1758) Europe, W.Siberia - Altai *A. u. polaris (Staudinger, 1871) North Europe, Siberia, Russian Far East *A. u. turcica (Staudinger, 1871) South Europe, Caucasus, Transcaucasia, Kopet Dagh, Middle Asia *A. u. baical...

Now the best picture.

@Cerberus Aren’t you impressed that I knew what it was without looking it up? :)

Cerberus

Ding!

Extremely.

tchrist

Thanks. It’s one of my “things”.

Cerberus

TMI.

No need to display your "things".

tchrist

03:37

It’s all I have. We are a logos-based society here.

Cerberus

I bet you know the dagpauwoog?

tchrist

Another nymphalid.

Cerberus

@tchrist Logos? How so?

tchrist

That one isn’t native to my continent. Then again, neither was the first one.

But it’s more like our buckeye.

We use words to relate to each other here, rather than batting our eyelashes and running races or whatever.

Go throw spam flags on the spammer, please.

Cerberus

Who bats eyelashes?

Robusto

03:39

Can we get a mod on this?

tchrist

Sim is around.

She’ll probably be on it momentarily.

It took her 7 minutes to get the last one, but me, I noticed it in 40 seconds. Pissed him off.

Cerberus

Ugh.

I have edited the question.

tchrist

Thanks.

Robusto

Good move.

Didn't occur to me.

tchrist

Now he’s soliciting for me, too. Gosh.

Robusto

03:42

Is that Nortonn?

tchrist

Hey, please delete those postings from the chatlog.

Yes, of course.

This was his last one.

Cerberus

What are you, noobs?

I always deal with spam that way.

tchrist

And this one was his earlier one today.

Cerberus

And you're always janitoring the site!

tchrist

Well, somebody has to do it.

Cerberus

03:43

You're supposed to teach me some tricks, you know.

Robusto

Well, off to bed. Good luck with the troll.

tchrist

I love it when you’re drunk.

Cerberus

@Robusto And I'm glad you noticed Henry was English!

tchrist

He put it in his user profile, too.

Cerberus

We call him Henry.

Ugh.

Is your phone ringing yet?

Or am I out of foreign minutes?

tchrist

03:47

No, phone not ringing.

Cerberus

Damn.

tchrist

That’s ok, it’s not mine anyway, it’s the houseboy’s.

Who come to think of it is your age, too. Hm.

Thanks, guys.

Cerberus

@tchrist And?

Is he typing on his computer right now?

tchrist

No, I am.

Oh, he might be. I don’t know.

Cerberus

Why are you typing on your houseboy's computer?

tchrist

03:49

I’m not. This one is mine.

Cerberus

Is it because you got sick of your Mac?

tchrist

I’m typing on the Mac.

He has other weird things.

Cerberus

Such as?

tchrist

Mobile fetishes of various natures.

There she blows!

Cerberus

Like...*gasp*...a phone?

tchrist

03:50

Well, a “phone”.

The phone is the number that didn’t ring.

Cerberus

Pocket computer, then.

tchrist

And a tablet-pad-thingy.

Cerberus

Microsoft used to call its smartphones "Pocket PCs".

tchrist

Uh oh, he’s on the phone now. This may be interesting.

Cerberus

Ladeeda.

tchrist

03:52

Has lots of gadgets, just like all the kids.

Cerberus

Kids.

tchrist

Ew!

Cerberus

Am I a gerontophile?

tchrist

I didn’t know parrots lived that long.

Cerberus

Look who's talking.

tchrist

03:54

Must have been a tortoise instead.

Oh, I’m a sequoiaphile myself.

Cerberus

He had lived in Spain for 7 years, just moved back.

tchrist

Oh, Spanish accents get me.

Particularly in Spanish. :)

Cerberus

I'll pass him on.

tchrist

Gracias.

Cerberus

He suggested it was easier to translate English into Spanish than into Dutch.

tchrist

03:55

> Nymphalidae is the largest family of butterflies with about 6,000 species distributed throughout most of the world. Many species are brightly colored and include popular species such as the emperors, admirals, tortoiseshells, and fritillaries.

That’s a curious suggestion.

I wonder why.

Cerberus

Because English has so many Latinate words.

tchrist

That doesn’t actually help.

The cognates are all of the wrong register.

David Wallace

@tchrist If you want to tell me when I CAN and CAN'T be in a chat room, maybe you'd better make your own chat room. You don't own this one.

tchrist

I see what I means, but still. It’s a classic error.

Cerberus

You could translate exclusion as exclusie, but that's just...very pretentious and/or archaic.

tchrist

03:56

@DavidWallace Wah wah wah.

@Cerberus Yes, exactly. All those.

Cerberus

I bet esclución is possible. trying to make it sound Spanish

tchrist

@Cerberus Er, no.

Cerberus

@DavidWallace Yo!

David Wallace

@Cerberus Hi

Cerberus

@DavidWallace How is Ramadan?

tchrist

03:58

It’s spelled exclusión of course. Don’t know what you are doing with the consonant switches.

David Wallace

Today is the nineteenth. I am coping better and better as the month goes on.

Cerberus

You'd probably not approve of my weekend...

tchrist

Pagan rituals, you know.

David Wallace

@Cerberus Who me? I am not one to point the finger of judgement.

Cerberus

Nineteenth day? My friend said it because easier to cope with with time.

@DavidWallace Oh, too bad.

David Wallace

03:59

@Cerberus Well, I can if you want me to, of course.

tchrist

@DavidWallace Really? You do it many times a day here.

Cerberus

@tchrist Oh, whatever. I have no idea how Spanish phonology works.

@DavidWallace Yay! I have slept with women, as in, slept in the same room.

David Wallace

@Cerberus Yeah, the first four or five days were a bit hard. But it's only eleven and a half hours here, seeing as it's the middle of winter and all. I'd hate to be in Amsterdam right now.

tchrist

@Cerberus Passing out doesn’t count.

Cerberus

Ahh yes. You southern Muslims are pussies!

David Wallace

04:00

@Cerberus Umm, me too. What's your point?

tchrist

Exclusión social

Por exclusión social se entiende la falta de participación de segmentos de la población en la vida social, económica, política y cultural de sus respectivas sociedades debido a la carencia de derechos, recursos y capacidades básicas (acceso a la legalidad, al mercado laboral, a la educación, a las tecnologías de la información, a los sistemas de salud y protección social, a la seguridad ciudadana) que hacen posible una participación social plena. La exclusión social es un concepto clave en el contexto de la Unión Europea (UE) para abordar las situaciones de pobreza, vulnerabilidad y margin...

Cerberus

@DavidWallace Well, we weren't married!

tchrist

Did money change hands?

David Wallace

@Cerberus And your point is?

Cerberus

@tchrist Not yet.

@DavidWallace I don't know.

tchrist

04:01

Make sure they pay you before you let them get away.

Cerberus

Hey, I don't work when I'm vacationing.

David Wallace

@Cerberus Yeah, just wait 16 years or so till the calendar rolls halfway around.

tchrist

I've never encountered graphomasochism before. — John Lawler 5 mins ago

Cerberus

@DavidWallace Oh! Does that actually happen?

tchrist

The 16 thing, you know.

David Wallace

04:02

@Cerberus Yes. A Muslim year is 12 lunar cycles, which is either 354 or 355 days.

Maybe plus or minus one for actually seeing the moon.

tchrist

“Eenie meenie chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak!”

Cerberus

@JohnLawler: Eram ego qui ediderim, sed Masc qui periturus sit. — Cerberus 11 secs ago

I'm too drunk to care. I didn't even mean that in an unkind way.

tchrist

vidi

Cerberus

Bonum'st.

@DavidWallace Oh! But so then winter will be in a different month eventually?

David Wallace

@Cerberus That's correct.

Cerberus

04:06

Interesting. I had no idea.

David Wallace

It is interesting, yes. Saudi Arabia actually uses a variant of the Muslim calendar officially. So if you lived in Saudi Arabia, you'd be 31, not 30.

Cerberus

@DavidWallace Oh no!

If I shall ever convert, remind me to pick Shia!

Thanks for this.

David Wallace

@Cerberus Haha, do you want me to explain the Iranian calendar to you?

tchrist

hashahahahahha

Cerberus

Oh, dear! Is it even weirder?

David Wallace

04:11

@Cerberus Umm, no, probably you would find it less weird. It is not too different from ours.

Cerberus

@tchrist That shall be my Facebook forever.

@DavidWallace Oh, hmm. Then Shia it is!

David Wallace

Apart from starting in a different year, starting on a different day, and having different months, that is.

Cerberus

Oh, peanuts.

Even the Jews get to start in a different year.

tchrist

The sun also rises.

Cerberus

No doubt. It has been light since forever.

David Wallace

04:12

It actually started at the same time as the Islamic calendar, but they have solar years. So this year is 1392 in Iran and 1434 in Saudi Arabia.

Cerberus

In the country, where I was this weekend, first light was visible even earlier.

In the East.

Where one would suppose the shadows lie, but no.

David Wallace

@Cerberus Haha, eastern moonlight or eastern street lights?

Cerberus

!

Eastern bush fires, it must have been, then.

tchrist

►

David Wallace

@Cerberus Sure. Heaven forbid you should mistake daylight for daylight.

tchrist

04:14

There is no heaven.

So forbid away.

Cerberus

@DavidWallace Never!

@RegDwighт Pretty hilarious.

I mean, the bananas are obviously in very poor taste, but everything else about it is funny.

Actually, even the bananas.

tchrist

How do you know what the bananas tasted like?

Cerberus

Well, I have Asian blood.

Although "my" people are rather supposed to eat peanuts, like a different kind of monkey.

tchrist

I always knew you were yeller.

Cerberus

@tchrist Very.

tchrist

04:22

Nankeen.

Cerberus

Nanking?

tchrist

Or perhaps luteous.

Cerberus

I'm not that yellow.

Just a peanut.

tchrist

Then I was right the first time.

> nankeen: A yellow or pale buff

> luteous: Of a deep orange yellow color.

The House of Nan King is, or perhaps was, a restaurant in San Francisco’s Chinatown district at 919 Kearny.

And no, I didn’t look that up. That’s why I don’t know if it’s still there.

Those are the common guys.

Pretty though.

Cerberus

> luteous: adj. greenish-yellow

tchrist

04:29

Sounds like chartreuse.

They’ve dispatched Lady Ashton to Egypt. I hope she comes to no harm; I’ve given up hope for any progress there. I’m waiting for the light at the end of the tunnel.

Cerberus

Ita dixit dictionarium.

tchrist

So did mine.

Cerberus

She can go to Egypt. She has guards.

David Wallace

Merriam Webster says "yellow tinged with green or brown". OED has what Tom said.

tchrist

@Cerberus I know.

Cerberus

04:30

@DavidWallace Yea, it's odd.

David Wallace

Yes, Tom, but there are other people than you in the chat room.

tchrist

@DavidWallace I wasn’t even talking to you, asdfp.

David Wallace

oxforddictionaries.com has "of an orange-yellow or greenish yellow colour".

Interesting that they don't quite agree with OED.

Cerberus

Quite so.

David Wallace

I did!

Cerberus

04:32

Haha oops.

Ugh, the sun is really about to rise now.

David Wallace

Oh, spoil MY remark why don't you?

Cerberus

C'est moi!

One corner of the sky is too bright to look at.

David Wallace

@Cerberus 5:56 today in Amsterdam.

tchrist

Heave ho and up she rises.

David Wallace

So it should have risen already, right?

Cerberus

04:33

@DavidWallace But it's behind the houses.

David Wallace

My goodness. Amsterdam Muslims have to fast for 18.25 hours today.

Cerberus

I need to have about 45 degrees to be able to see the sun, if it rises at the lowest point of my "horizon".

@DavidWallace They should be grateful for the added challenge?

David Wallace

@Cerberus Aha, the non-horizontal horizon.

Cerberus

Far from.

Contrary to popular opinion, Dutchmen don't live at sea.

No flat horizon.

David Wallace

I suppose you can be 45 degrees up in the air, and still be horizontal. If you've been drinking enough.

Cerberus

04:37

Heh.

Not that much.

Some degree of sobriety is returning. Or will hopefully return soon.

tchrist

Joy cometh in the morning.

Cerberus

I have drunk perhaps four or five beers.

But large ones, with little sleep.

David Wallace

Yeah, I hate it when they add too much sleep to your beer.

Cerberus

Heh.

They always try to drug you too?

tchrist

meows

David Wallace

04:38

sneezes

Cerberus

drinks water

NullPoiиteя

color schema of this room is pretty irritating

Cerberus

NOU

tchrist

Naw, it’s beauteous.

Tasteful.

Tasty even.

Subdued.

Subdude.

Cerberus

The only thing lacking is serifs.

By the way, have you read 2001: A Space Odyssey?

tchrist

04:45

Sure.

Bit dry.

Cerberus

Did you like it?

I'm now reading it, and I find it very disappointing.

Not dry, but boring.

tchrist

Yeah.

I always found Clarke less entertaining than Heinlein or Asimov.

Cerberus

I suppose some of the themes were truly original at the time, but the adoration of space travel and time management aboard space ships is so very...mundane.

His language is fine—perfect, almost; but hardly literary.

There is absolutely nothing surprising or stimulating about it, so far.

He drags out events of mediocre interest in a pompous way.

tchrist

> The name of the Saturnian moon Iapetus is spelled Japetus in the book. This is an alternative rendering of the name, which derives from the fact that "consonantal I" often stands for "J" in the Latin language (see modern spelling of Latin).

> In his exhaustive book on the film, The Making of Kubrick's 2001 (Signet Press, 1970, p. 290), author Jerome Agel discusses the point that Iapetus is the most common rendering of the name, according to many sources, including the Oxford English Dictionary. He goes on to say that "Clarke, the perfectionist", spells it Japetus. Agel then cites the dictionary that defines jape as, "To jest; to joke; to mock or make fun of." He then asks the reader, "Is Clarke trying to tell us something?"

> Clarke himself directly addressed the spelling issue in chapter 19 of The Lost Worlds of 2001 (Signet, 1972, p. 127), explaining that he simply (and unconsciously) used the spelling he was familiar with from The Conquest of Space (1949) by Willy Ley and Chesley Bonestell, presuming that the "J" form is the German rendering of the Greek.

Cerberus

If you say "what's happening is truly incredible and special", people's minds wander off.

tchrist

04:49

Yes, boring.

Cerberus

sigh

David Wallace

@NullPoiиteя What would you prefer?

Cerberus

I also have Fahrenheit xxx and "De splinter in Gods oog" (couldn't get the original).

tchrist

Mote.

451.

Cerberus

Right.

The library didn't have the Hitchiker's Guide, which I haven't read either.

tchrist

04:52

If you’re looking for SF recommendations, you could do worse than look for Locus/Nebula/Hugo winners.

Cerberus

Hey, I'm not ignorant.

I'll probably finish 2001.

I'm just skipping the boring parts. And I never have to do that with SF books, normally.

tchrist

Sorry.

Cerberus

Despite the stupidity of the language of Neuromancer, I enjoyed that a lot more, so far.

Alors, j'espère que vous dormiez bien. Quand l'heure arrive.

tchrist

Elle est déjà arrivée.

baiz

Cerberus

Bonne nuit.

David Wallace

05:08

That singing question looks like proofreading to me.

Cerberus

poof

David Wallace

Really? But it's so early.

David Wallace

06:13

Confound KitFox! I shall never again look at hippopotami in quite the same way.

Johan Larsson

@DavidWallace what camera is it?

David Wallace

Not one of any significance. Anyway, I charged it for the four hours that the manual suggested, and the indicator gauge on the camera shows the battery as half full; so I shall now charge it for another four hours, God willing.

MετάEd

06:37

David Wallace

@MετάEd That's OK. It doesn't look like either of those two is "offering an orgasm".

MετάEd

@DavidWallace I refrained from posting those pictures.

David Wallace

@MετάEd In case Matt can't see them?

MετάEd

@DavidWallace I figure hippofellatio would get flagged.

David Wallace

@MετάEd Thank you. You've really improved things for me.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

07:59

What is the definition of "depressed wage"? I assume it means low wage, am I right?

►

I see why free education or cheap education on youtube or lynda.com or treehouse.com is becoming more popular =D...

But those online education is not that popular in Korea because going to college or private institutions is really cheap or sometimes free

O0oO0oOO0ooO

08:34

haha I found a racist guy on Youtube

►

=D...

I wish if I can add him on facebook, but would he refuse me because I'm coloured?

KitFox

10:58

@MετάEd refrains from flagging

So do you suppose the "suicide-related sites" that will be blocked include suicide intervention sites?

David Wallace

@KitFox Probably. The software that does the censoring won't be able to tell the difference.

KitFox

So is that why we haven't seen @Matt?

David Wallace

Umm, we've seen his limericks.

Maybe they are a cry for help.

KitFox

I didn't mean about the suicide thing. I meant about the web-blocking thing.

And I'm not entirely clear on how they think they can block the 'web block circumvention tools.'

David Wallace

@KitFox Oh, I thought they were going to block sites from which one can obtain web block circumvention tools.

KitFox

11:06

It's so cute, the way people think that web content can be filtered neatly.

David Wallace

Yeah. How many people will they need to employ, to categorise every available web page?

KitFox

And continue doing so.

I could maybe check 300 websites everyday.

If I didn't have lunch.

But I'd have to check them all again tomorrow.

David Wallace

A whole web site in a minute and a half? You are superwoman.

KitFox

Yep.

Mostly because I would rely on my automated tools (which would be useless) and spend my time checking off boxes.

And reading books.

And chatting in my suicide-prevention-by-drinking-smoking-and-watching-pornography esoteric web forum.

David Wallace

Don't forget the anorexia and eating disorders.

KitFox

11:15

Well, the drinking ought to take care of that.

bbl

David Wallace

And the esoteric material

@O0oO0oOO0ooO Hmm, if he won't be your Facebook friend, maybe you could ask him for a job.

Robusto

11:52

@KitFox An Iron Curtain is going down over Britain.

Transcript for

English Language & Usage: Multi-Layer…