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@tchrist What's up with BLACK HEART SUIT?
 
What of it?
 
Why does it rate higher than regular heart?
By ~3 times?
BRB coffee
 
Good idea. Me too.
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Oh, I see. I think people are using for the I LOVE YOU!!! kind of thing, or just plain love. Something like that.
 
1:44 PM
@tchrist works for me.
 
Interesting that the glyph they’re showing is in red.
I think those must be the Apple glyphs.
They colored them.
Notice the other hearts on the first of those two clippings I uploaded.
 
Heartbreak?
Or lament for glyphs unseen?
 
@tchrist Yeah, over Apple's popularity.
 
Why?
 
1:48 PM
I don't really know anymore.
 
It’s nice to see technical coolness triumphing over medieval prisons now and then.
Well, until it turns into the panopticon.
 
I guess because of the fact that it's an exclusivity product, except that everyone has one.
The humans, they disappoint me.
Creating culture is a powerful thing.
 
Oh, are you a Prisoner of $Bill™?
In context, it means that they claim to take into account the universal features of anthroponymy, and the features that Russian and Arabic cultures share technologically (ideotechnical), and they also claim to provide a complex analysis of the Arabic and Russian materials investigated. A little Greek helps in reading this kind of jargon. Everybody's cool on anthroponymy, right? — John Lawler 9 mins ago
 
Bwahahaha.
re: $Bill™, only sorta.
This is good coffee.
 
anthroponymy > my anthro pony
I think it is a Christmastime stock-stuffer.
A werepony or something.
 
PONY!
Must run an errand.
 
 
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4:23 PM
Why didn't anybody tell me about this?
Satirical linguistics?
Speculative grammar?
Our Lady Of Linear Precedence?
Lingua Pranka?
 
4:47 PM
> Interestingly, Taiwan, which, not being subject to the Communists, never adopted simplified characters, has a higher literacy rate than mainland China. This, together with all of the preceding observations, leads us to an obvious conclusion: a complex orthography is actually superior to a simple one. Learning to spell a language with a straightforward phonemic alphabet, such as Finnish, is easy. You don't see a lot of news stories about the Finnish National Spelling Bee.
> In English, on the other hand, competent spelling is seen, correctly, as a significant intellectual achievement, and champion spellers even appear as guests on late-night talk shows. Unfortunately, far too many people attain a fairly high level of success fairly quickly. As a result, they get bored with English, and move on to languages with more challenging writing systems, like Akkadian.
Ayup.
 
5:13 PM
You get a structure,
I’ll get a rule, honey,
You get a structure,
I’ll get a rule, babe,
You get a structure,
I’ll get a rule,
And we can join the generative
school, honey, ba-by mine.

Yonder comes a man with a
Turing machine, honey (etc...)
Yonder comes a man with a
Turing machine,
Can’t generate language but sure
looks keen, honey, ba-by mine.
 
5:44 PM
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Q: Lengthwise, Clockwise, and . . .?

DaneI've heard plenty of examples where the suffix "-wise" is added to a word to mean, "with respect to." I believe that they are examples of neologisms. Are lengthwise and clockwise the only words that are not neologisms that end with "-wise" and have that sort of meaning? Perhaps otherwise counts ...

 
6:32 PM
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Q: Does the quirky spelling in English actually make it easier to read?

RobustoI just finished reading the question asked by Bobnix, in which RegDwight referred to another question with an interesting answer by Kosmonaut. Kosmonaut refers to the great number of pictograms (Kanji or Hanzi) available in Japanese and Chinese, and mentions that the task of memorizing our weirdo...

Related.
 
Yup.
You missed 🐪 splice. 😈 As for how with to behead one can use the longer Latinate decapitate or decollate, for untailed (ppl. adj.) or for to de-tail (vb.) — not to be confused with detail vb. :) — one can also use the someone lovelily Latinate albeit someone recondite decaudate /dɪˈkɔːdeɪt/, as in this OED citation: 📖 “1864 N. & Q. V. 165 — The P. was originally an R. which has had the misfortune to be dacaudated.” Not to be confused with ecaudate (adj.), which never had one in the first place. 😎 — tchrist 5 mins ago
Yeah, I’m actually just trying to drive up the camel count on the emoji tracker. :)
I sure which I would stop typing someone for somewhat; early-onset Alzheimer’s really sucks.
Did I already mention that?
 
Anyone want more dog pics?
 
Kitties?
 
6:52 PM
@tchrist Don't even get me started. I was trying to think of the term for that big open space between the Washington and Lincoln monuments in D.C. the other day. Couldn't. Then, in the evening, "the mall" just popped into my head.
 
Agoraphobia.
This started happening after 40. It’s so frustrating.
I’m talking about the “Memory is such a whatchamacallit” phenomenon, not fear of the agora.
 
@tchrist 50 is not that early, chances are I have developed mine further at 35
 
This is what I get for being an early adopter.
 
I read some stat somewhere what percentage have developed dementia at different ages. Of course I forgot where and what it said :D
 
7:08 PM
Takes the prize for the best title I've seen in quite some time. Hands down.
 
People are stupid.
 
I see no way to further improve on its absurdity. All of it.
"Italy's first black minister" is already absurd as it is, but then they went for that extra touch. Brilliant.
Oh, and RIP J. J. Cale.
 
Nais.
 
@RegDwighт I give up. Why?
 
7:22 PM
It could've been written by Ionesco.
 
Please tell me it is the situation that has you in stitches, not the choice of words.
 
But it is the choice of words.
It is surreal.
But gee, well, that's just, like, my opinion, man.
 
I seem to be humor challenged today.
I laughed when I read it, too, and I read it early this morning.
But it was an uncomfortable laugh.
 
Maybe you are too used to sake being thrown at America's first Chinese secretary of defense.
 
Ok, so tell me: what is laughable about “Italy’s first black minister”, in of itself without references to chimping the bananas at her.
 
7:28 PM
It is not laughable. It is absurd.
 
Because it took so long, or because they felt the need to point it out?
 
Italy having a black minister (or really a black person) is like Russia having a black minister.
Or China.
 
Unlike what, France or England?
Are there black people in Russia?
 
Mmmmh... not sure about England, but most definitely France, yes.
@tchrist I have seen one. At the age of six.
 
A black russian is vodka and Kahlua.
 
7:31 PM
Yeah I used to drink those.
 
France had a lot of black colonies.
 
Still does.
 
So I’d expect some French ministers of that color.
Perhaps in the Ministry of the Noir.
Foreign minister, justice minister, black minister.
 
Not sure if there actually is one. But the point is, nobody would even notice.
 
Foreign black justice minister.
 
7:32 PM
Domestic black justice minister.
 
You are funny. Blacks are often domestics.
 
@RegDwighт why?
 
> The youngest ever black Muslim woman to become a French cabinet minister was today facing jail for electoral fraud.
Lotsa firstests there in that one.
 
@JohanLarsson when was the last time you saw a black Russian or Chinese? Do tell. Honest question.
 
The crowning achievement would have to be a black Japanese person, or maybe a black Israeli.
 
7:34 PM
Of course the Italians, and more specifically Sicilians, are black by descent, but Lord how should I put it... you go tell them that.
 
Even rarer than black Mormons, I bet.
@RegDwighт Ssh! They’re just moros or morescos or whatever that is in Italian.
 
Tu vuò fa' un Africano, Africano, Africano.
 
I've never been to China or Russia but I assume Italy is more like Sweden. In Sweden the percentage is high and increasing rapidly the last 20 years. Don't knwo exact number but I would guess 15% of the population.
 
She was the only black cabinet ministress.
Or minister, for that matter.
Perhaps she was just the Secretary.
 
Even the (three and a half) blacks in Soviet movies were played by whites in makeup.
 
ArtLebedev actually has a nice wraparound, with pix. Doesn't look like they have an English version, though, which they normally do.
Still you could check out the pix.
 
@RegDwighт Lips.
 
@tchrist that's very much the point he's driving home. Nobody in Russia even knew what a black person looked like.
So you get those grotesque depictions.
Which in turn only help you with knowing even less.
 
The monkey thing is bothersome, of course.
 
Well, that's Goebbels. For comparison.
No surprises there.
Speaking of black, I am going back to erecting my ALL-BLACK Tower of Orthanc while watching ALL-BLACK Samuel L. Jackson.
Don't tell Italy.
BBL
@tchrist do note how it's also sporting a star of David. Really par for the course.
 
7:50 PM
@RegDwighт I have for the last twenty-two years resided in a city with half again the percentage of black people as the one in which I grew up: Boulder has 0.9% compared with Lake Geneva’s 0.6%. I’m sure that seems like a lot to you, given the ~40k total Afro-Russians, but I often hear people bitch about it as looking weird to the point of being morally reprehensible. But it is all I have ever known, so it does not seem weird to me.
 
@tchrist I've probably said this before here, but the first black person I ever saw (when I was about three or four) was a waitress at a Walgreen's lunch counter. I was horrified that there must be some kind of disease that turned people's skin dark brown, and I was afraid to order anything because I didn't want to catch it.
My mom didn't seem to mind, so eventually I ate what she ordered for me.
 
That wouldn’t have happened in Geneva when I was a kid. I’m sure there were no black people at all then. There were some that lived out by Lake Ivanhoe though.
It’s along highway 50 going east from Lake Geneva headed towards Kenosha.
 
I went to a Catholic prep school in Lake County, and we had one black kid in our class. He was from Waukegan and, of course, recruited to play sports. Later we got a couple more.
 
We had one half-black girl in class in grade school, and she took a great deal of abuse for it.
There was a black girl in my graduating class, though.
Her name of course was Nicole.
Nobody hassled her at all about it, either. Big difference in 8–10 years.
> But accounts from the time say when blacks arrived to Lake Geneva, they were not greeted with welcoming arms. Discrimination thwarted attempts by blacks to buy property in the Geneva area.
@Robusto I wouldn’t think that Lake County and Walworth County would be any different from each other in that regard.
The really weird thing was I didn’t ever know what a “Jew” looked like/was/etc.
 
There was a casual undercurrent of racism in my all-white suburb back then. I worked at my high school over the summer to help defray the tuition cost, and one of the other kids who worked with me on one of our lunch breaks told me that he "hated all niggers except Kenny A-----." (This was the one black kid he knew, who played on the school football team.)
 
8:05 PM
It was some foreign thing I thought.
 
Perhaps casual is too casual a word. Reflexive, maybe.
 
Pretty shocking. You’ll still hear old people talk like that.
My mom used to teach at the Naval Academy.
 
Yeah. I've heard it from my old relatives who live in southern Illinois. As recently as around 2000, in fact. Astonishing, really.
 
Heard one say he wouldn’t vote for a nigger, regarding Obama. Horribly depressing.
Of course, he wouldn’t vote for a Republican either, which left him out of that vote. Damn it.
 
Usually those people vote Republican.
 
8:12 PM
Yeah, well, not if they’re old enough.
Sometimes an older, more prejudiced generation just has to die off before ugly old views go away.
I wish it were otherwise.
I’ve heard that recently voiced with regard to bigotry against gay people, but it is completely applicable to bigotry against blacks, against Irish, against Italians, etc.
 
Still, it's much more obvious when someone is black than when someone is gay or Italian or Irish or whatever. It is the great divide of America, and always has been, ever since the founding fathers agreed that some people could own other people.
 
But not when they are female.
That was an old prejudice, a fierce one.
 
My kids are mixed-race kids, and I'm damn proud of it.
 
HM.
If your wife is Asian or Hispanic, then it won’t really be noticeable.
 
8:22 PM
It's noticeable enough.
 
I guess. It’s your family.
 
If your kids' eyes have the epicanthic fold, it's pretty obvious, even if someone can't put it all together.
 
Perhaps it depends where you live?
 
For the record, my wife is third-generation American, of purely Japanese ancestry.
@tchrist I'm just saying it's obvious to me. YMMV.
When my first son was born, we moved from Chicago to St. Louis for my employment, and when we went down to look at places to live, we tried to stop for dinner in a little town about 40 miles north of St. Louis. The looks we got going in were like something out of Easy Rider. We might as well have been wearing a sign that read "Interracial Marriage!" After waiting an hour at a table for someone to do anything but glare at us as they walked by, we left.
That is a true story.
 
On the long road-trips to and from Burning Man, if we were off the Interstate we sometimes didn’t let the bouncy flowers with pastel-colored hair go into the local places for fear of getting harrassed.
It was just better that way.
There are really weird places in Nevada and Utah, Easy-Rider kind of weird.
 
8:34 PM
@Robusto Here in Toronto, in my neighbourhood,there are dozens of interracial marriages with kids. Literally 1/3 of my daughter's class is half-asian.
 
9:08 PM
Well, Toronto is a more international city than, say, St. Louis.
 
9:52 PM
@Cerberus Here’s a new article from The Economist on Resurrexit vere: The revival of Latin.
 
@Rob @tchrist here's another story. In the town where I now live, that throughout its history went from the Germans to the French to the Germans and back again, and is sitting firmly on the French-German border right now, we have a big annual film festival. For all intents and purposes, it's an indie-film festival. The biggest of its kind in Germany, and in fact the second-biggest German film festival, period.
I myself actually only attended exactly once. So after that one late session, out of many late sessions, on one night out of many nights, of one of said festivals, I rode the streetcar back to town with a couple of my buddies and a whole bunch of directors and screenwriters and whatnot returning to their hotels from the many panels. And one of the directors turned out to be Russian. So we talked.
Now, he was completely and entirely new to Germany, or pretty much anything outside of Russia for that matter. So he asked a lot of questions. Like, "what is this neon-blue-lights silhouette of a baroque-looking man plastered all over the town? Oh, it's the local beer brand, how interesting!" and so on.
And then he asked, in that same most innocently curious way, "Are all black people French?"
My friends and I still fondly remember that episode to this day.
 
@RegDwighт Well, I sure hope you didn’t say something like, “No, they’re Africans.” :)
 
I think, or am pretty sure, my answer was pretty much, "Um. Yeah..."
 
I’m pretty sure I saw a black person in Germany once.
 
Well I see black people all the time, that's the point.
 
10:05 PM
And being Russian, he hadn’t.
 
In fact one of said buddies that rode the streetcar with me is now married to a girl from, um, some really weird place, like Suriname. She used to work for the place I work at, too. It's a small world.
 
Does she speak Dutch?
 
No, German and I think her local language. Which again, I'm ashamed I can't quite place right now.
 
There aren’t many black people in Finland or Montana, either. I wouldn’t worry that Russia is very white. Well, in its west. I know nothing of its east.
 
For all intents and purposes, she's German. But her entire family, whom I got to know at their wedding, is as African as it gets.
 
10:08 PM
Did she grow up in Germany?
 
One of the best weddings I ever attended, BTW. I got more wasted than in all the rest of my life combined. Played piano, had a lot of fun.
 
I guess if I want to learn about eastern Russia, I can ask Sarah Palin.
 
Ireland's been through a rather dramatic demographic change recently.
 
@tchrist yeah I would say so. I would have to ask, actually.
 
@TRiG Oh, we’ve all heard of the Black Irish. :)
 
10:09 PM
We have lots of Africans here now. Mainly Nigerians.
 
Her surname is Sassou.
 
Darn.
 
That's like Congo or something, except it isn't Congo of course. More esoteric.
 
You said sur.
 
We also had a black kid at school, whom I gave private lessons in maths once.
 
10:12 PM
Really?
 
Yeah really. He was the one odd out.
And I was the only Russian, up to a point.
 
That sounds about as black as my school.
 
And I have to add, or repeat, that this town here, again, is a melting pot of cultures, pretty much by design.
Lots of Italians, Turks, Russians, Spanish.
And lots as in lots.
 
How by design?
 
See above, what with going back from country to country every couple decades.
Now, them's only two countries, but there are many more nationalities here.
The point being, this ain't exactly Bavaria.
 
10:15 PM
Our only "aliens" were Irish Catholics. We thought it wasn’t fair that they got extra days off from school.
 
Where everyone is 101% Bavarian and will always be, so help us God.
 
Now there are lots of Hispanic people there at home. Which seems rather odd.
@RegDwighт Yes, but they know how to have fun.
Those whacky southerners them.
 
Funny story, Bavaria, being de jure a free state with its own Constitution, de jure also still has the death penalty.
 
Compare them to a frosty Hamburger.
 
I'm not sure even the Bavarian secretary of Justice knows.
 
10:17 PM
How can that be? Do they ever kill people?
 
@RegDwighт No part of the EU can have the death penalty.
 
Nobody ever kills people in Europe. We've spent two millenia killing each other. We're saturated.
 
It's one of the conditions for entry.
 
@TRiG yeah.
 
@RegDwighт Mnemonic for you: anus != annus
 
10:18 PM
So all you're saying Bavaria isn't part of the EU which frankly is as true as anything, and is certainly more than fine with the Bavarians.
@tchrist hey I'm drunk.
And typing real fast.
Anyway. There are many things you're not allowed within the EU, but hey go tell that to the Hungarians. Seriously. Do.
 
They have a stronger identity as Bayerisch than as Euro-Anything.
 
@RegDwighт Have you seen CGP Grey's EU video? It's full of asterisks.
 
Hungary are in a race with Belorussia or something, for the title of the last dictatorship in Europe.
Russia and Italy being noncompetitive.
 
It’s only the small and recent "countries" in Europe whose inhabitants more identify as Europeans than as countrymen of whatever “nation” they got shovelled into.
 
I dunno about that. There's such and such.
The Balkan folks will stay balkanized for all eternity.
 
10:22 PM
Well.
I’m thinking of some survey where only the Low Countries thought of themselves first as Europeans.
 
At this point entering the EU is purely for economic reasons. Come to think of it, it has always been.
 
@tchrist I'm European, but then, I'm Irish with English parents. (And my granny is from a part of Poland which is now in Ukraine; and my granddad was a Greek Cypriot from what's now Northern Cyprus.)
 
@TRiG Lviv?
 
So I'm a bit a mix.
@RegDwighт They were small farmers, so somewhere rural, but that part of the world, yes.
 
That's another fine place that changed hands back and forth.
 
10:24 PM
I work with lots of Russians and Ukrainians. I am embarrassed that I sometimes don’t know which are which.
But they are local; I do not mean telework stuff like with the Subcontinentals.
 
@tchrist According to The Power of Babel, Russian and Ukrainian are practically the same language.
 
Well that's Eastern Slavic for you. You'll have the same trouble with Belorussians, except I think they are not legally allowed to ever visit anywhere.
Except Russia.
Which they of course don't. Cuz it's the same for them, as well.
 
@Reg Hey, did Finland ever get back its bits that it gave up to Russia during WW2?
 
Not really, no.
 
Does this bother them?
 
10:26 PM
I mean, they kicked our asses in the Winter war, so. But other than that, no.
 
Or has there been a lot of resettlement?
 
@tchrist from all I hear yes very much.
 
That’s what I was afraid of.
 
If anything can bother a Finn, that is. They are like cool, man.
But politics is politics.
I mean, the Japanese don't really want those islands back, either. It's wasteland in the middle of wastewater.
But they have to insist, because what else can they do.
 
Yes, I know the Finns are cool, especially the real ones.
Not the Swedish ones.
But hey, compared to Italians. . . . :)
 
10:28 PM
@tchrist What 'is' is, is difficult to say. The suburbs of Moscow are pale and northern. But near the Caucasus, there are all the (only slightly) darker types, and out east (near Kazakhstan and far east, there are all the 'non'-white natives and chinese and mongolians and japanese and siberians and chukchi and etc, etc.
 
Half of Siberia isn't even explored to this day. We kind of don't even know who the fuck lives there at all.
 
@RegDwighт That's a pretty cool thought.
 
That's where I go to get some peace.
 
You can't have some peace in Siberia. You can only have all the peace in the world.
 
for miles.
like the midwest in the US.
 
10:29 PM
Portugal still wants Olivenza back from Spain after two or three hundred years. It’s a local cause celèbre amongst the younger chattering classes of Lisbon, while in Madrid, nobody has any idea what you’re talking about.
 
Such are people.
And peoples.
 
That’s why I figured the Finns would want their bits back. It has only been a couple a years in comparison.
@RegDwighт I like that.
 
so what I'm saying is the midwest is the siberia of america.
 
No fucking way.
Wait.
@Mitch Precisely what do you mean by “midwest”, and why do you say that?
The midwest is full of people.
And roads and crap.
I am thinking you must not understand.
Go somewhere that isn’t full of people or full of roads, and you will find a place that is not full of crap, where mystery still remains.
But the midwest, that place is not.
 
Sep 25 '12 at 13:00, by RegDwighт
And so, once again, the US was proven to be more Russian than it was ever ready to admit.
Anyway, I'm AFKish.
 
10:33 PM
Bai
Go to Alaska.
Alaska is like unto Siberia.
No idea why, mind you.
 
10:53 PM
BTW, here's another random thought about racism I was meaning to share for quite come time. Way too many things get labeled racism so quickly, and for completely straw-men reasons that are not helping anyone. But it's not immediately obvious, or in fact obvious at all. Like, any mention of the N-word is racist.
I am thinking back to how I was a kid. And then I'd get into an argument with a buddy, and then we'd call each other names. Like, fatso. Did that mean I hated fat people? Of course not. Or I'd call someone a beanpole, because he was so tall. Or "roughhands" because he had that rare skin condition. And then the very next day we were cool again and the best buddies ever.
Now imagine one of them kids had been black. What'd we've called him? Why, a nigger of course. Can you extrapolate racism from that? Or even just subliminal racism? Hell no. It's just when you're calling people names, you go with what comes to your mind first. Their single most defining feature that makes them unlike others. Would it have been meant to be hurtful? Well yes, that's the whole point. But would it have been meant as an expression of racism? No frigging way.
And then fast forward to how we "grow up". And then we start labeling things "Communist", even though we would love to have them, or in fact already do. The same thing.
AFK again.
 
11:37 PM
Well, thanks for that.
Personally, I want the Tower of Orthanc. But I guess I'll have to chew on that instead.
sulks
 

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