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Post is here used as a preposition meaning after. It is a legal borrowing from Latin. The OED gives an unusual note under sense 9 for the preposition, which is the one used with English words or phrases: Usu. found in contexts where after would be equally appropriate and more agreeable. —E...

Johan Larsson

@tchrist did the job sound fun?

and did you figure out their bs ratio?

tchrist

@JohanLarsson I dunno but it came in the nick of time. Audi just called and said it was time euthanize my vehicle.

Cerberus

Morning.

tchrist

Hi.

I was up until a stupid time.

Like 2am.

Cerberus

Stupid you!

tchrist

2:31 PM

It was because of drugs.

Cerberus

Our clocks may soon synch.

tchrist

Believe me, I kept wanting to sleep.

I can’t sleep on opiates.

Cerberus

That's what life is like for some people every day...

tchrist

I had to heroically rescue Lorin from a great beast on Saturday, and that was more commotion than my torn meniscus would stand for.

Johan Larsson

@Cerberus what timezone are you currently synced with?

Cerberus

2:32 PM

How is the knee today?

@JohanLarsson I don't know! Probably some exotic island.

tchrist

Less bad. I used a lot ice and stuff yesterday, but the damned opiates really mess up my sleep.

Johan Larsson

@Cerberus do you dress accordingly?

tchrist

I know they make other people drowsy, but I can’t sleep a wink on them.

Cerberus

@JohanLarsson Noooo!

Never.

@tchrist Perhaps you will get used to the opiates...

tchrist

@Cerberus I certainly hope not!!

Matt Эллен

2:34 PM

Imagines @Cerb in a Hawaiian shirt

tchrist

@MattЭллен Given their DT citations, you can almost see why they said that, eh? Those are really silly:

> 1974 Daily Tel. 7 Jan. 13/3 ― Now, post the increase [in the price of oil],··future gold price prospects far outweigh individual share fundamentals.
1979 Daily Tel. 19 July 21/4 ― Post the Geneva meeting of Opec the OECD reckons that its 24 member countries··can expect average economic growth of only two p.c. over the next 12 months.

Matt Эллен

yes. It applies very well to the OP, too

RegDwigнt

@GeorgePompidou oh cool. I'm talking about LEGO not on NPR. Invite them over!

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A: Can I mix singular and plural for a possessive?

I'm afraid you're leaving out the last crucial step in your reasoning. Yes, if you say "one of my cousins' wife", people might parse it as "one of my cousin's wife", and see that it makes no sense because it should be "wives". So precisely because of that what will happen next is they will go b...

Johan Larsson

@MattЭллен not a skirt?

RegDwigнt

Seriously, I am the first person on that page to point out he's solving a problem that's not there?

@JohanLarsson nice beard.

tchrist

2:37 PM

@JohanLarsson I don’t think you can buy grass skirts like that at our pot shops, but maybe @Cerb can at his.

Cerberus

@MattЭллен I'd sooner chew off my other heads!

Matt Эллен

@JohanLarsson I'm not sure which he'd object most to

@Cerberus that makes the image rather more difficult to sustain

Cerberus

Good.

tchrist

@RegDwigнt Apparently. That’s a somewhat agèd question, all things considered.

Wait, I wasn’t supposed to mention NPR. Sorry.

Cerberus

Both the idea and the image are unsustainable.

RegDwigнt

2:38 PM

Yeah a couple days old.

Zoe

Were dinosaurs real?

RegDwigнt

@Zoe not the Spielberg ones, no.

tchrist

@Zoe They still are.

Zoe

@tchrist pics.

tchrist

searches for chicken shots

Mitch

2:40 PM

@MattЭллен writes Hanna Barbera

RegDwigнt

Matt Эллен

Dinosaurs shrank for 50 million years to become birds

Zoe

I want the giant-saurus

RegDwigнt

tchrist

@RegDwigнt Dude, chelonians and therapods are just not that closely related.

@RegDwigнt That one is less poor a fit, but well.

RegDwigнt

2:42 PM

@tchrist I know all about who's related to whom.

Cerberus

@MattЭллен Huh, I thought there were always small dinosaurs.

tchrist

@RegDwigнt I hadn’t realized you were an Orthodox priest.

Cerberus

Like compsognathus.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus those ones didn't become birds

Cerberus

No, but they were still small...

tchrist

2:44 PM

@MattЭллен One cannot help but point out the use of the present tense in their phrasing.

Cerberus

So what they are saying is apparently that the group of dinosaurs that birds are descended from were once larger.

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus I drew this.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus yes

RegDwigнt

277 dinosaur species. So don't you go tell me who's related to Adam Sandler.

tchrist

> "No other dinosaur group has undergone such a long and extended period of miniaturisation," says Mike Lee of the South Australian Museum in Adelaide.

Matt Эллен

2:45 PM

@tchrist :D

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt Well done! I don't know who this person is.

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus you mean dinosaur.

Cerberus

@tchrist But other groups have undergone miniaturisation, probably.

@RegDwigнt ...

tchrist

@Cerberus I think he must be Reg’s local sandal-maker. Beats me.

Cerberus

Hah.

Matt Эллен

2:46 PM

that must hurt

RegDwigнt

Actually in Punch Drunk Love he was a good fit.

I can recommend.

A nice role for Philip Seymour, too.

tchrist

@RegDwigнt He usually picked good roles.

Naming, no?

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Q: Need a two-place verb (+preposition) as predicate in a formal language

I'm developing a formal language for querying linguistic corpora. Elements in these corpora (words, constituents, ...) may be connected by different types of linguistic relations, and I'm looking for a verb (possibly plus preposition) that I can introduce as a predicate to indicate a generic rela...

It starts out fine, but goes south from there.

Matt Эллен

source of the post question

the coffee cup business is a cutthroat trade

Robusto

@MattЭллен So are K-Cups going away?

Matt Эллен

or they'll become vastly cheaper as competition appears

tchrist

2:59 PM

I would never copyedit anything from Lawler, but his unconventional use of newlines does throw me off from my time to time.

@MattЭллен Oh very good!! I was going to try to figure that out.

@MattЭллен What a stupid slide! They omit sentence-final punctuation on the bulleted items despite the fact that those are all complete sentences.

Then again, what do we expect from such post-abusers?

Matt Эллен

indeed

Cerberus

spits

tchrist

I’m not even sure how to properly cite that. Too much kana.

Matt Эллен

yeah. I don't know. Maybe it wasn't meant to be made public. nothing on any English websites apart from us.

tchrist

Cat. Bag.

That slide set has no lack of other infelicities.

Matt Эллен

3:05 PM

yeah, also that's from 2011, so maybe it's just fallen off the Google radar

tchrist

Goodar.

Googlar?

Googladar?

Googladar, 16th-level barbarian warrior-thief.

Matt Эллен

lol

The disclaimer at the beginning of the slide show says it's confidential. Although that looks like so much boilerplate.

tchrist

I’m not sure what the responsible thing is to do here.

Cerberus

Where?

What are your options?

George Pompidou

just this moment got to work

tchrist

3:11 PM

Option 1: Fail to give proper reference for citation.

Option 2: Give proper reference of something marked confidential.

I rather prefer option 2.

It is “on the internet”.

But then I am snookered by how to describe said reference.

George Pompidou

is that last post you linked even on topic?

tchrist

Which which what?

Oh, right.

George Pompidou

it seems to be exactly about not english

tchrist

I didn’t think so, but was temporarily suspending judgement long enough to think about other things instead.

George Pompidou

it also isn't as interesting a question as the first couple sentences lead me to believe

tchrist

3:14 PM

@MattЭллен I suppose we might know someone or other who could read the kana context for us, but I’m also nearly certain that said someone woud advise against linking to it.

Well, pretty sure at least.

Matt Эллен

I dunno

tchrist

How cosy! That’s where I am, too.

Matt Эллен

since we know it's confidential, we should probably not post the picture, but linking to the place where it is responsible.

tchrist

This question appears to be off-topic because it is about choosing identifiers for a program, a subject blacklisted in our Help Center. — tchrist 21 secs ago

Matt Эллен

It will help others put the sentence in context and if Green Light Captial find this, then it will help them get it taken down from baidu

tchrist

3:17 PM

@MattЭллен Ok.

George Pompidou

blacklisted

sounds so official and slick 8)

tchrist

Hello, Ukraine just invaded Russia‽

George Pompidou

😎

tchrist

Chase not the bear into his own den.

Or at least, don’t follow him in.

George Pompidou

"Russia to hold war games in show of strength near Ukraine"

Russians have literally not learned a thing since the 50s

I think the country may have down syndrome.

tchrist

3:21 PM

Wifebeaters, mean Chestbeaters.

Matt Эллен

> More than 400 Ukrainian military personnel have laid down their weapons in the eastern regions and crossed over into Russia, requesting refugee status.

"Invaded" isn't how I'd put it ;)

tchrist

Curiouser and curiouser.

Check for Trojans.

George Pompidou

eww.

Matt Эллен

Or Athenians

tchrist

Well, Achaeans at least.

RegDwigнt

3:24 PM

@GeorgePompidou they have learned how to fly to space. I think that counts.

George Pompidou

pff.

space flights are dime a dozen man.

RegDwigнt

Granted, the Americans were much faster: they managed to learn it and then unlearn it in the same time period.

George Pompidou

that Dell commercial guy did it.

tchrist

@RegDwigнt Standard garbage-collection policy.

George Pompidou

good. Russia is at the same level as a single South African guy.

RegDwigнt

3:26 PM

@tchrist I don't think we have collected any garbage in space.

George Pompidou

very impressive.

tchrist

Pull his tail, go ahead, I triple-dog dares ya!

Matt Эллен

@RegDwigнt just left it there

RegDwigнt

Is what I'm saying, yes.

Matt Эллен

you're saying that there is a lot of garbage in space and we haven't collected it

RegDwigнt

3:27 PM

No, you're saying I'm saying that.

I can tell by the icons and from having seen many sayings in my life.

Matt Эллен

You're saying I'm saying you're saying that there is garbage that we have put in space and not collected. I think I understand

tchrist

memobj = malloc(SPACE_TECHNOLOGY);
my_little_funky(memobj);
free(memobj);

RegDwigнt

Romani eat a domuz.

Matt Эллен

domus ite mr roboto

RegDwigнt

Um, er, beş ekmekler.

tchrist

3:31 PM

@MattЭллен So the attribution would be: “From a presentation by Green Light Capital:”? Where did you get Green Light Capital from? I get GMCR = Keurig Green Mountain.

Cerberus

@MattЭллен It is eunt!!

Matt Эллен

@tchrist from the disclaimer

@tchrist let me double check...

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus you Dutch put the EU in everything.

Cerberus

Hey, we are less pro-Europe than you are!

tchrist

I wonder why I can’t find the disclaimer.

Cerberus

3:33 PM

We torpedoed the so-called "constitution", remember?

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus exactly, and yet you put the EU even in Latin.

Shame on you. Shame. On you.

Cerberus

It was not I, but MP.

RegDwigнt

I will have none of your Domuz Latin.

Cerberus

Dolmas?

Matt Эллен

@tchrist it's on a different page. the page I lunk to has slides 51+. The presentation owned by Greenlight Capital Inc.

RegDwigнt

3:34 PM

Domuz. Domuzgiller. Am I speaking too low?

Domuzgiller

Domuzgiller (Suidae), geviş getirmeyen bir çift toynaklı familyası. Familyanın 5 cinse ayrılan 20 türünden Avrupa'da ve Türkiye'de bulunan tek temsilcisi, evcil domuzun atası olan yaban domuzudur. Pekariler domuzgillerin yakın akrabası sayılırlar. Bazen pekarigillerin Yeni Dünya domuzları ve domuzgillerin Eski Dünya domuzları olarak adlandırıldıklarına da rastlayabiliriz. == Özellikler == Domuzgiller orta büyüklükte, fıçı şeklinde çevik bir vücut yapısına sahip memelilerdir. Vücutları çok seyrek, fırça gibi sert ve kısa olan kıllarla kaplıdır. Renkleri kırmızımsı kahverengi ile gri veya siyah arası...

Cerberus

Cute!

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus but what have the Romans ever done for us? I mean really?

RegDwigнt

But I gotta mute commies, so excuse me for just that.

Cerberus

@MattЭллен They built a wall.

@RegDwigнt Bai!

RegDwigнt

@MattЭллен they ruined everything and then let you have the ruins.

George Pompidou

3:35 PM

gross language though.

Matt Эллен

@RegDwigнt CU

Cerberus

At least that Turkish one-box contains enough Latin to make sure the picture is correct.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus OK, other than building a wall and giving us ruins, what have they ever done for us?!

Cerberus

They have given you most of your words, indirectly.

Matt Эллен

"house go mr robots" not very Roman

3:39 PM

is that Bath?

It is.

My word.

I prefer Shower myself.

Cerberus

4:00 PM

Who built the first shower?

No, there was no need for showers when you had cheap labour to poor water on you.

Gigili

What does "active" mean as an adjective for farm?

> If you want this fun and amazing farming experience with running your own, fully active farm, this game is the right choice.

And hi.

Mitch

A working farm

not just a toy farm

Thank you.

what's the context

farm simulator?

4:07 PM

FB?

George Pompidou

farm boat?

there aren't any boats on farms, Mitch

that's just silly.

Mitch

fish farm?

George Pompidou

cats?

I think clearly he's talking about cat boats.

Tural Aliyev

Hey guys

how are you?

I need help from native english speaker. can anyone help me here?

George Pompidou

I am well—how are you?

Andrew Leach

4:13 PM

We can try and help.

Gigili

@Mitch An android game, "farm way".

@Mitch FS

10 points for the wrong answer.

And now, what does "The horse has a smelly problem with flies" mean?

Context:

> Yuck, can you smell this? The horse has a smelly problem with flies. Hit them all before the time runs out.

George Pompidou

haha.

I assume it means he smells bad and there are flies swarming all around him.

it's strangely worded though.

Gigili

Thanks.

Mitch

In a game an 'active' thing is one that can be saved and followed and is being touched or modified mostly continuously as opposed to abandoned.

Saladin

hello guys i wanna something is it okay to drink pure protein juice if u are not body builder

George Pompidou

4:20 PM

hahaha.

if you wanna be flabby and gross, yeah

Gigili

@GeorgePompidou Next question you'll be laughing like hahahaha.

George Pompidou

good analysis of the situation.

Mitch

@Gigili OK. In real life, an 'active' thing is one that is being worked on actively, everyday, not a leisure activity, a 'real' thing. One that is not is either a weekend thing or a garden or not profitable or subsistence or abandoned.

Gigili

There's a pattern in that

And I am awesome like that

Mitch

@Saladin is this a question about English or about diet?

George Pompidou

4:23 PM

how do you know I'm laughing though and not just speaking Hebrew?

Saladin

:(

just general query

Gigili

@Mitch It means there's always lots of work to be done, right?

George Pompidou

@Mitch brilliant. they should have you patrolling more around here.

Mitch

Sure it's OK. Or rather it's just as bad for you as it is for a body builder. Your body will eliminate most of the protein that you ingest from such drinks. And protein is not at all toxic, it's just a little hard on your kidneys

George Pompidou

I've always wondered what the deal is with those protein supplements.

Mitch

4:26 PM

@Gigili Yes, I would infer that. active means exactly just active, a bunch of things happening. From that you could infer that there are things that need to be done.

George Pompidou

@Mitch how is it bad?

Tural Aliyev

@AndrewLeach please join this room chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/16197/advice

@GeorgePompidou chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/16197/advice

tchrist

grumblesnorts

You kids there, get offa my lawn!

Tural Aliyev

@AndrewLeach I can't create here any private room. But I need to talk in private. Can you give me your any messenger contact?

George Pompidou

hahahaha

:O

tchrist

4:32 PM

@tchrist I'm puzzled, are you saying you use "offline" to mean something other than "not connected to a network"? If so, what do you use it to mean? — Rupe 13 mins ago

@Rupe For me, offline means not connected to any computer whatsoever. I started using computers long before the Internet, and that’s its original use. Online meant on the computer; offline meant off the computer. So for example, online documentation meant electronic copy while offline documentation meant paper copy. The state of your connectivity from one computer to the next was immaterial, since of course, in those days, there was no such thing. — tchrist 5 mins ago

George Pompidou

you're such a computer hipster

tchrist

I’m not a consumer; I’m a producer.

George Pompidou

I started using computers before they existed man.

Mitch

@GeorgePompidou my extensive research (googling and skimming the first couple of hits) shows that there is the possibiliity of kidney damage from a super high protein diet but that hasn't been confirmed.

George Pompidou

ah, okay.

tchrist

4:34 PM

I started using the Internet around 1983. I started using computers long before then.

George Pompidou

I was hoping for something to use against my crazy working out roommate who always has those big barrels of protein powder

I started using computers in the civil war.

Tural Aliyev

Guys, I need english speakers help. I'm not english speaker so I can't figure out sexier, rich sentences in english. Please take a look at indiegogo.com/projects/quick-share-your-files/x/8351031 I'll be very thankful for every new sentence suggestion. It's short piece of text and I need help from you guys

tchrist

@GeorgePompidou Squirtcannon.

George Pompidou

mhmm.

tchrist

@TuralAliyev No sex in this chat.

George Pompidou

4:35 PM

and I am at work. sexual things are not appropriate for work.

GnomeSlice

I don't think that's what he meant.

George Pompidou

yes it is.

he wants a private room/chat to molest us.

Tural Aliyev

@tchrist Oh guys.. you're kind of making fun from my sentence right? thank you for your great help

Mitch

@GeorgePompidou I stopped using computers after I met Babbage's. It just seemed so uncool then.

tchrist

@GeorgePompidou Tell that to the working girls.

George Pompidou

4:37 PM

I stopped using computers before tchrist started. I was already over them like pff.

old news.

tchrist

@GeorgePompidou I hate it when that happens.

George Pompidou

@tchrist uuh… okay… goes to female coworker and tells her that sexual things aren't appropriate for work

she says okay.

tchrist

Better hit up the boys too while you’re at it: otherwise you will be perceived as being sexually discriminatory.

George Pompidou

boys? what boys? I work at a software company.

it's only hot chicks here.

tchrist

Hotchkiss, Colorado

Hotchkiss is a Statutory Town in Delta County, Colorado, United States. The population was 968 at the 2000 census. == Geography == Hotchkiss is located at 38°47′57″N 107°43′1″W (38.799275, -107.716976). According to the United States Census Bureau, the town has a total area of 0.7 square miles (1.8 km2), all of it land. == Demographics == As of the census of 2000, there were 968 people, 412 households, and 271 families residing in the town. The population density was 1,452.8 people per square mile (557.8/km²). There were 451 housing units at an average density of 676.9 per square mile (259.9/km²...

GnomeSlice

4:39 PM

@TuralAliyev "What we did?" should say something like "What have we done?"

Mitch

Back when I was a kid all we had was an antikythera and a neusis for approximating partial differential equations.

Andrew Leach

@TuralAliyev The principal issue is the lack of articles (a, the), which may be a translation thing if your first language doesn't use them.

GnomeSlice

since it seems like you're talking about what's completed already

tchrist

@Mitch Antiks are hot now.

GnomeSlice

> For now, whole platform's core is ready. This means, You can use it right now by visiting: qush.it

should be the whole platform's core.

Your description is already very readable though, I don't think you need to change it too much @TuralAliyev

Tural Aliyev

4:40 PM

@GnomeSlice ok fixing

Andrew Leach

> All of our services are totally free and never will be paid!

All of our services are totally free and will never charge.

Tural Aliyev

@GnomeSlice thank you very much

Andrew Leach

> One of main problems is, we have no financial support and we're a non-profit group of developers.

George Pompidou

@TuralAliyev "No complex user interface! Ease of usage is "No 1" rule of our application." ==> "No complex user interfaces! Ease of use is our application's number one rule."

Andrew Leach

> We have limited servers and hardware.

Tural Aliyev

4:42 PM

thank you guys

fixing

Andrew Leach

> But our growing audience requires us to upgrade our servers and ~~increase their count~~ add more.

user116848

Hi

George Pompidou

For now, the whole platform's core is ready. This means that you can use it right now by visiting:

Tural Aliyev

And please help me to select best header for this article We often face the situation where we want to share files quickly. We found a solution for it! doesn't fit at all, I think

Andrew Leach

> Also we're working hard to create mobile and tablet applications for both ~~platforms:~~ Android and iOS platforms.

> ~~The collected money will be spent to followings:~~

The money collected will be spent on:

GnomeSlice

4:46 PM

@TuralAliyev Hmm. Let me think a moment.

Tural Aliyev

Thank you guys. I'm very thankful

Fixing all your mentions

Andrew Leach

I'm not sure there's much wrong with the heading. You could change We to You:

user116848

Can I ask a grammar question

George Pompidou

@TuralAliyev "If you frequently need to share files quickly, we have a solution for you." (if you're okay with second person and something more simple)

Andrew Leach

> Do you want to share files quickly? We have the solution!

GnomeSlice

4:47 PM

Yeah, something like that ^

George Pompidou

that also works.

Tural Aliyev

cool.

Andrew Leach

Don't make it a solution. Make it the solution.

The one they simply must use.

George Pompidou

good call.

Tural Aliyev

indiegogo.com/projects/quick-share-your-files/x/8351031

fixed all your mentions

now re-check please

Andrew Leach

4:49 PM

I suggested changing the never will be paid line.

GnomeSlice

"will never be paid" ?

Andrew Leach

8 mins ago, by Andrew Leach

All of our services are totally free and will never charge.

GnomeSlice

ah

yeah that works too

George Pompidou

@TuralAliyev I would change "This means that, You can use it right now by visiting"

to "This means that you can use it right now by visiting"

Andrew Leach

5 mins ago, by Andrew Leach

> Also we're working hard to create mobile and tablet applications for both ~~platforms:~~ Android and iOS platforms.

George Pompidou

4:50 PM

You shouldn't be capitalized mid-sentence.

and that comma is extraneous

Tural Aliyev

okay. fixing

tchrist

Andrew, I’m a tad underwhelmed by the deafening response to your meta post.

Tural Aliyev

okay fixed all guys

refresh the page please

George Pompidou

also, I don't like "One of main problems is, we have no financial support and we're a non-profit group of developers." @TuralAliyev I'd say something more like "We are a non-profit group of developers and have no financial support"

user116848

@KitFox Hello! What happened to your avatar? :)

Tural Aliyev

4:53 PM

@GeorgePompidou changed

Andrew Leach

@tchrist Yes. Perhaps I should have a been more definite about wanting answers. It's currently at +6/0. Feel free to make a suggestion about how it should be implemented, to get the ball rolling.

George Pompidou

@TuralAliyev looks reasonable to me.

tchrist

@AndrewLeach Yes, I know, sorry. The sky is falling today.

Andrew Leach

@TuralAliyev There is an issue with

> All of our services are totally free and will never charge.

George Pompidou

hopefully not over where I am

Andrew Leach

4:55 PM

...because you do charge for some things.