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1:02 PM
@RegDwigнt Both the question and the answers are worthy of ELU chat.
"Suppose that 5+7 is a number. How many solutions are there to 19?"
"Answer: Yes"
 
@Mitch not so sure about that, such clear and correct answers are rather unheard of here.
 
@RegDwigнt Thanks for the edits :-)
You are perfect.
 
I am not editing anything except this stupid Powerpoint presentation.
 
I am so sorry to hear that.
 
I am so much sorrier to say that.
It looks like shit, too.
I'm fixing a presentation approx. seven people have been working on for about nine years.
Actual numbers.
 
1:15 PM
Can I offer you a kitten to cheer you up?
@RegDwigнt Oh Jesus. You should start over from scratch.
 
So each slide looks like it's been shitted on by a different person in a different year in a different color. Which is because that is exactly what happened.
@KitFox that is what I've been doing all this time, yes.
For the last four days, indeed.
 
Augh.
 
Re-creating every single slide from scratch, then deleting the original.
 
I hope you are shitting in more aesthetic color palettes.
 
The kicker is: this is something I had done before. To these very slides. And before that, too. And one more time before that.
I am Sisyphus.
 
1:17 PM
And you didn't keep copies of that work?
tch
 
I did.
No one else did.
They show the good stuff around, then start adding things to it. Fast forward a month or so, it looks exactly like the bad stuff did all over again.
 
Too many cooks...
 
So some slides I can just copy from my past efforts, but a lion's share I have to do anew.
 
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Q: "It doesn't always X" vs "It always doesn't X"

CookieMonsterWhen I read these two sentences out loud, I feel that they express very different things. 1. Job interviews don't always go well. 2. Job interviews always don't go well. At least to me, 1) implies that job interviews often don't go well, but there may be some that go well, and 2) is literall...

Same as
 
@685-252 no. Do not call these people cooks. They can't even eat.
 
1:19 PM
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Q: "Learning always" vs "always learning"

ThaleWhat is the difference between learning always and always learning in terms of grammar and connotation? If the connotation is the same then which is preferred?

do you think?
@RegDwigнt Yes! That's the hard part.
 
The thing is, these are slides for a 40k Euro tool.
And they look like slides for a student's project.
 
@RegDwigнt Ok, too many crocks :-)
 
The thing I don't understand is, the same people who very much care about every last bit of design when consuming it, can't tell their ass from a hole in a ground as soon as they have to produce it.
 
It's truly mystifying.
 
They will go and buy Apple products and tell me in minute detail how every pixel is perfect, at the same time churning out slides where every single line is in a different font size, font color, and font.
 
1:23 PM
"I want it to look like Google, just a single box. And also tell our users how to use it. And also include some gadgets on the side."
 
And they will make a screenshot of our product, then flip it 90° because there's not enough room where they want to put it.
I am not, repeat: not, making this up.
 
"We want seven red lines, strictly perpendicular."
@RegDwigнt You have to be. That doesn't even make sense.
 
@KitFox the slides are then used to teach people how to use the product. It's not just for some marketing come-together where nobody looks too closely. This is training material. For people who are expected to pay us hundreds of thousands as a result of said training.
 
and you are the teacher...
 
40k is but for a single seat, node-locked.
 
1:25 PM
@RegDwigнt "So...I turn it sideways before I insert it?"
 
@KitFox "three of them with blue ink"
 
@685-252 no. If I were, this shit would have long been fixed. This shit would not have existed in the first place.
 
@MattЭллен "And one of them shaped like a kitten."
 
@RegDwigнt well, show them how it is done right :-)
 
@KitFox you have to tilt your head or monitor before using our products. We offer special licensing schemes if you want to tilt both.
 
1:27 PM
Sweet.
That sounds awesome.
 
Anyway, I'm off to untilt more shit.
 
be the change you want to see in the world
 
@685-252 I've been that change for three decades now. Where's the effect?
 
you are the effect
 
No, I am a bitching person on the Internet.
I don't think that makes me all too special.
 
1:29 PM
:D
 
Lators.
 
@RegDwigнt Nobody said the effect was supposed to be good.
 
you're special to us pal
later
 
@RegDwigнt No, you are a frustrated friend sharing his misery on the Internet.
 
@KitFox Kitten-shaped is fine. That's the line which is imaginary.
 
1:33 PM
Could somebody ping me please? I want to test something.
 
Did I share the video? I must have shared it. Yes, I know I did. It was very funny.
@terdon Nutter!
 
@terdon no
 
:)
 
@terdon Butter!
 
@RegDwigнt I think it safe to say Brazil got a Brazilian waxing.
 
1:33 PM
@KitFox could you hit me again?
 
Has anyone tried this? duolingo.com
@terdon hi
 
Dammit, I keep getting double pings for some reason.
Thanks all, still have the problem :(
 
@terdon Do you have two windows open to chat?
 
@terdon why?
@terdon again?
 
@Robusto No. And it doesn't happen in a Private window yet it does even with all of my userscripts/addons and extensions disabled.
It's been going on since yesterday and really bugging me.
 
1:37 PM
@terdon Never.
 
Cheers :)
 
@terdon shut off the sound
 
@685-252 Yes.
 
@685-252 Yes but that's an ugly hack, not a solution :)
 
@terdon Are you piping through earphones and speakers?
 
1:37 PM
@terdon The answer is clear: time to get a new computer.
 
@KitFox would you recommend it?
 
Do you have a second device that you haven't logged out of chat on?
 
Speakers only and ha! Like I'd biuy a new machine just for that.
 
@685-252 Depends. It is kind of fun for casual learning.
Did you try re-booting?
 
@KitFox Possibly (though I doubt it) but that's not the issue. This only happpens on firefox (not chrome) and does not happen in a Firefox Private Window.
Yes, I've rebooted, cleared SE cookies, restarted the browser etc.
I have now disabled all userscripts and addons to mimic the Private window setup but am still getting the double pings. Very weird.
 
1:39 PM
Have you tried cold shredded chicken mixed with plain yogurt, basil, and a splash of lemon juice?
 
And on top of everything else, I'm hungry.
 
@KitFox mmm.. with toast?
 
Whole wheat English muffin.
 
@KitFox "some red, some green, some both"
 
Now I shall re-post the video for the benefit of those who have not seen it, or who would like to watch it again.
 
1:47 PM
and all colorless? And a cat picture.
 
"some with green ink and some transparent"
 
2:00 PM
I am not an expert, so I can do absolutely nothing.
 
@terdon Have you tried a new/empty profile?
I mean, I assume it won't happen there if it doesn't happen in private mode, but then you can be 100% sure that it is something in your profile.
By the way, kudos for using userscripts!
 
@Cerberus Yes and it doesn't happen there, as expected.
@Cerberus lol, of course! I'm a certified geek for heaven's sake, not just a language one.
 
Haha.
You'd be surprised how many people here do not use Firefox!
Have you tried disabling the top half of your add-on list?
Closing all tabs? Clearing history/cache/etc.?
 
userscripts are available on chrome, too
 
@Cerberus Huh? Pretty much any browser can do userscripts. And yes, I've disabled all addons, closed all tabs, restarted the browser and the machine :(
Actually, I hadn't tried closing all tabs (not my pinned ones as well) and that worked!
 
2:14 PM
@terdon tch
 
But, but, WHY?
Damn. OK, I'll try and recreate all my pinned tabs :(
 
@terdon Userscripts, but not add-ons. Chrome can't really do add-ons the way Firefox can.
@terdon Yay!
 
@terdon Did you have chat pinned?
 
I have it pinned.
 
@KitFox Yup. Various ones.
@Cerberus Huh? How so? And thanks!
 
2:17 PM
@terdon Well, there you go then.
 
@KitFox How so? I've had them all pinned for ages. Never had this issue before yesterday.
 
Doctor, doctor it only happens when I use Firefox.

Doctor: Don't use Firefox.
:-)
 
I'm so confused. I changed my StackExchange OpenID email but I can still login with my old email into some sort of account that is not associated with any SE site. And then if I log out, and go back to the login page I get automatically logged in into this profile.
 
@terdon So have I, and I got no double-pinging.
 
Also, if I log out of the profile in openid.stackexchange.com, I don't get logged out of here.
I dunno, but shouldn't that be not happening?
 
2:19 PM
@terdon I can never find the add-ons I need for Chrome (there are too few, and they are too limited).
I believe Chrome heavily restricts what add-ons can do.
Further, you can only download add-ons from the "Google store" now, can't you?
 
@Cerberus Oh, I disagree completely. I've used both extensively and there were always chrome extensions that I missed in firefox and vice versa. They both have a great set of them.
 
I never found an Adblocker for Chrome that worked properly, as in FF.
 
@terdon I'm hungry too. But you live in France, and can get a great meal anywhere. I can't.
 
I never found an extension like Easy Drag To Go that worked as fast and reliably as in FF.
Etc. etc.
 
If something bugs you, it's irritating. But if something debugs you, does that mean it's gratifying? I sure hope so.
 
2:21 PM
@Cerberus Really? I did.
 
Which one?
 
@Cerberus No idea what that does. Seriously though there are thousands for both.
 
I haven't searched in a while.
 
Adblock Plus.
 
@terdon I'm just making stuff up.
 
2:21 PM
@Cerberus Addblock!
 
Or that.
 
@KitFox Bad fox!
 
Except it is Adblock.
 
@terdon growls
 
@terdon Not enough for Chrome! I really took the time to search for comparable add-ons at some point.
 
2:22 PM
@Robusto how is that even possible :/
 
It's a mystery.
 
@terdon I even disabled all extensions for Chrome when the auto-update-with-malware scandal came out.
 
@Alraxite Sometimes there is weird caching stuff. You could try logging out of everything, flushing your cache, and rebooting your machine.
 
@Robusto yep
 
Well, yes, that's one of the things that sent me back to firefox.
 
2:23 PM
Good!
 
@Cerberus Was ist denn das?
 
@KitFox I'm using a fresh portable browser.
Newly installed.
Shouldn't happen.
 
Sometimes I think Firefox is slow. But then it's super fast again when I start with a new profile. There is basically no advantage to Chrome, is there?
@Robusto LMGTFY
And I mean that literally, BRB.
 
In Chrome, I can rewind Youtube videos without any buffering issues. But on Firefox I can't. I dunno why.
 
waits
 
2:25 PM
It doesn't rebuffer like in Firefox.
 
I don't like Chrome's loading all tabs on start up.
 
> One of the coolest things about Chrome is the silent, automatic updates that always ensure that users are always running the latest version.
 
I think Chrome has been less annoying lately
 
But I think there's a fix somewhere for that.
Firefox doesn't do that.
It's good. Because sometimes I have like 40 tabs.
And FF won't load all of them.
When I start my browser.
 
2:27 PM
No, that is one of the most subversive things: you do not want to give surrender control of your computer to a third party, who is then free to install software on your computer without asking you.
@Alraxite Do you know where I can find this fix? I once tried one, but it didn't work.
@Alraxite All Google pages work better in Chrome, for some reason. But still.
 
@Cerberus Does that happen to you too?
 
I heard google launches updates to some% of the users, sounds pretty smart as most people will blame the os if they are the only ones who have issues.
 
Absolutely.
Google Maps is very slow in FF.
But I can't guarantee that has nothing to do with my extensions.
@JohanLarsson Ah, very smart.
Unwitting guinea pigs.
 
I also wonder whether there is any advantage of using an installed browser over a portable one.
 
@Alraxite What's the advantage of using a portable one?
 
2:32 PM
@JohanLarsson That’s not even damning with faint praise, now is it? :)
@terdon Fits in your pocket.
 
@terdon It doesn't integrate with your system. Creates no registry entries. No need to install. No need to uninstall. Can be easily retrieved if you want to take the whole browser with all your settings with you.
 
@Alraxite That's a good reason to have a portable one, not to use it. I don't use Windows so registry entries are not an issue.
 
@tchrist you must write simpler when you address me.
 
The idea of having all my settings and plugging that into untrusted computers makes me uncomfortable.
 
@JohanLarsson simpler
 
2:34 PM
@JohanLarsson
Damning with faint praise is an English idiom for words that effectively condemn by seeming to offer praise which is too moderate or marginal to be considered praise at all. In other words, this phrase identifies the act of expressing a compliment so feeble that it amounts to no compliment at all, or even implies a kind of condemnation. History of the term The concept can be found in the work of the Hellenistic sophist and philosopher, Favorinus (c. 110 AD), who observed that faint and half-hearted praise was more harmful than loud and persistent abuse. The explicit phrasing of the modern...
 
ah, ty ty
 
@terdon Doesn't leave any footprint. Also installing programs generally slows down your computer.
 
@Alraxite No it doesn't! Good heavens! That's only Windows stupidities.
 
In case my OS stops working, I only need to retrieve my portable folder.
@terdon Well, OK.
 
I can even use Internet Explorer, don't notice the browser much.
 
2:35 PM
But there is absolutely no advantage an installed application has over a portable one.
 
@terdon I see you stutter when impassioned.
 
@Cerberus I'll have to look for it.
 
I'm working on that.
 
@Alraxite What in the name of Dennis is a portable folder? Something your attorney passes to the clerk?
 
my portable application's folder.
I meant.
 
2:38 PM
Ok, so you mean some directory where some program lives.
Define portable.
 
Huh?
OK.
Let me pull out my dictionary.
 
I always thought portable meant that it ran on both BSD and on System V.
I think you must mean something else.
 
portable n. — able to be turned into port.
 
Well, I mean any program that can run from a USB stick and doesn't leave any footprint on the computer you use it on.
 
This is an odd use of portable, or I’m a frog’s aunt.
I think what you are talking about does merit a name.
I just would never have thought of using portable to describe it.
 
2:41 PM
> Computing. Of software: usable on different machines or on different systems; transferable from one machine or system to another.
 
Move along. This is not the portable that you are looking for.
 
Why, there is a whole website dedicating to making such apps.
portableapps.com
 
@tchrist It is but that's how they call them. It's a horrible term I know.
 
poor table apps.
 
Why is it a bad term?
 
2:42 PM
@Alraxite Such a queer notion, really.
@Alraxite Because it subverts the existing meaning of portable.
 
@tchrist And what is that?
 
@Alraxite Because portability has traditionally been used in the computing world to refer to methods that work on multiple operating systems.
 
In a computing context.
 
What he said.
 
This is new marketingspeak not proper geektalk.
 
2:44 PM
Exactly, it’s just BizWhiz. Pay it no mind.
 
@terdon Right. But I don't see any ambiguity in referring to an application as portable.
Call a method portable. Or call an application portable.
Two meanings.
 
NO!
Absobitemelutely not.
If a program is portable, it runs both on Linux and MacOS.
 
@Alraxite A portable application is one that works on multiple OSs. At least among computer people.
 
portable != cross platform
 
@tchrist Might even run on Windows (!).
 
2:46 PM
This has nothing to do with yanking it physically. None whatsoscrewthatever, Tom scoffed tmetically.
@terdon Cygwin.
 
@Alraxite No. It could also refer to the same platforms, different Linux distros, different *nixes etc.
 
OK. So maybe the original definition was that it could be made to run on different systems.
 
Okay.
 
When I write a portable program, it does not require modification to be run on multiple operating systems.
 
2:48 PM
@Alraxite It is used the way you mean it but we still find it annoying.
@tchrist we're in the minority unfortunately:
A portable application (portable app), sometimes also called standalone, is a program designed to run on a compatible computer without being installed in a way that modifies the computer's configuration information. This type of application can be stored on any storage device, including internal mass storage and external storage such as USB drives and floppy disks – storing its program files and any configuration information and data on the storage medium alone. If no configuration information is required a portable program can be run from read-only storage such as CD-ROMs and DVD-...
 
We are not bushwacking trappers in the wilderlands of New France portaging our canoes from waterway to the next.
@terdon No koolaide for me, sir.
 
You have to admit that for the majority of computer users, portable=can run on various platforms is way less useful a term than portable=can run from a memory stick without installation
 
What’s a poor hacker to do when skumnells gets a hold of our language and make our words stand on their heads?
 
complain, I guess. You can't hold back the tide.
 
I read that as "you can't hold back the tied." Took me forever to parse.
 
2:52 PM
@KitFox That's what I wrote at first.
Obviously, you can hold back the tied. That's why they're tied.
 
Oh. That's why then.
 
When muggles catch wind of wizardly terms, they always make a muddle of them, and the magic is lost.
 
But lots of hacker words get abused by the hoi polloi. words like "hacker", for example.
 
^^
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 The vulgus vulgar ever shall be.
 
2:54 PM
computer programmers often misuse words with perfectly normal English meanings.
 
@MattЭллен We’re just trying to be polite.
 
@tchrist In this case, though, I bet it's just coincidence. What else would you call a [trans-]portable app? It's a straight-forward use of the mundane word "portable".
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 A memstick program. A briefcase script.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Stop it!!
 
@tchrist yeah but you're thinking like a programmer trying to avoid the use of the word "portable"
 
2:56 PM
I only knew portable in the way Alraxite described.
To port something, however, has to do with different platforms. As does a port of something.
 
n e fule no that port is short for teleport
 
Any fool knows?
 
!!wiki port
 
A port is a location on a coast or shore containing one or more harbors where ships can dock and transfer people or cargo to or from land. Port locations are selected to optimize access to land and navigable water, for commercial demand, and for shelter from wind and waves. Ports with deeper water are rarer, but can handle larger, more economical ships. Since ports throughout history handled every kind of traffic, support and storage facilities vary widely, may extend for miles, and dominate the local economy. Some ports have an important military role. Distribution Ports...
 
2:58 PM
@Cerberus never! The very first citation in English used it that way, and so shall I.
 
that's why porters are always in the right place at the right time
 
No need to use the bot for everything! It clogs up the chat.
 
> portable: Once upon a time, C code compilable under both BSD and SysV. In general, code that can be easily converted to run on another platform, where “easily” can be defined however you like, and usually is. Anything may be considered portable if you try hard enough, such as a mobile home or London Bridge.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Ridiculous!
oed
 
@Cerberus See above.
 
2:59 PM
@Cerberus clog?
 

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