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11:00 PM
I think 200 people were killed, by how many bombs?
 
Plus I was working in Spain off and on 2004–2005.
 
@Cerberus If I wanted, I could make up a bunch of bombs, go down to the subway, pay a fare, get on a train, then walk from one end to the next, depositing bombs all along the way. I could even maybe get off at the next station before anyone noticed what I was doing, and the bomb could go off while the train was in the tunnel.
@Cerberus Really? police, everywhere? I've almost never seen a police officer at any rail station of any kind.
 
"Do you take classes this summer?" vs. "Are you taking classes this summer?"
Difference in meaning?
 
@MattЭллен What's the hullabaloo?
 
@Noah The first is appropriate if the classes are over, the second if they haven't started or are in progress.
 
11:01 PM
@Robusto nothing really, just removing genitals from the star wall :D
 
OIC
Whose genitals?
 
Jasper's
 
Good job.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Then wouldn't you use did instead?
 
> It was later reported that thirteen improvised explosive devices (IEDs) had been placed on the trains. (191 people died)
 
11:03 PM
@Noah oh, I read it as "did". I wouldn't say "do you take classes this summer", it doesn't sound correct to me.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I nearly always see policemen near the central station here.
And inside.
 
@MattЭллен Are my genitals male or female? Hmm... LOL.
 
@Cerberus what about other stops?
 
The busier the station, the more policemen.
They may not always be there all the time.
 
@Cerberus it's not like that at all here.
 
11:04 PM
Why not?
You never know what might happen.
 
And when I took the train from Vienna to Salzburg I didn't see any cops there either.
@Cerberus I do know. Nothing will happen.
 
Occasionally, something will.
 
You can't stop someone who's determined enough unless you catch them in the planning stage.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 you didn't see any uniformed police. everyone else could have been undercover
 
But anyway, they needed 13 bombs to kill 191 people in Madrid. You can probably kill 300 people with one bomb if you place it well, in an aeroplane.
 
11:06 PM
And stupid-ass stuff like removing all the garbage cans to remove bomb-hiding places achieves nothing.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You might. It's all about probabilities.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I don't know, have they done any research?
 
@Cerberus The probabilities fall apart when the incidence of actual threats is so astronomical.
 
If you make the garbage cans such that they have small openings, I guess you don't need to remove them.
 
@Cerberus How could they? It has never happened. What is the probability of something that has never happened yet? How do you begin to guess it?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Well, it's complicated.
 
11:07 PM
@Cerberus If the trash bin is large enough to admit a rolled-up newspaper or a can of pop, it is large enough to admit a bomb.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I don't know. I'm not making any claims.
 
@Cerberus What are you saying, then?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Umm how does that work? Bombs are usually larger.
 
@Cerberus not pipe bombs.
 
What, did a bomb go off somewhere now?
 
11:08 PM
Only my fart went off.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You claim removing garbage cans would not prevent bombings at all. I question that.
@Robusto No.
 
@Robusto Not that I know of. I was just pointing out the absurdity of the level of security afforded to airplanes vs every other form of transit.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I don't see it happening.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Well, duh. The preferred bombing target in Israel appears to be buses.
 
@Robusto Israel is a different scenario than most of the world. It is an experiment in terrorist-breeding run amok.
 
11:10 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Sky marshals
 
@Cerberus So you're saying that bombs are small enough to fit into garbage cans, but only cans with really wide openings, and that the removal of said cans is an effective deterrent to blowing up commuters.
 
mais en train
 
@tchrist sky marshals aren't that good against bombs, more against hijackers, I'd imagine.
 
yeah
 
A stick of dynamite will fit into any receptacle I can imagine. How do you guard against that?
 
11:12 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I am suggesting perhaps garbage cans with modern, narrow, horizontal openings are very hard to put large bombs in.
 
@Robusto Steel-butted trousers
 
@Robusto But is it strong enough to kill lots of people?
 
@Cerberus I sure wouldn't want to be in the vicinity when a stick of dynamite goes off.
 
I'm sure it can be done in some way, but what if you can make it more difficult?
@Robusto Still...
 
!!wiki dynamite
 
11:13 PM
Dynamite is an explosive material based on nitroglycerin, using diatomaceous earth (AmE: kieselgur; BrE: kieselguhr), or another absorbent substance such as powdered shells, clay, sawdust, or wood pulp. Dynamites using organic materials such as sawdust are less stable and such use has been generally discontinued. Dynamite was invented by the Swedish chemist and engineer Alfred Nobel in Geesthacht, Germany, and patented in 1867. Its name was coined by Nobel from the Ancient Greek word δύναμις dýnamis, meaning "power". Dynamite is a high explosive, which means its power comes from deton...
 
This is a list of incidents in London that have been labelled as "terrorism". It includes various bomb attacks and other politically driven violent incidents. Pre-20th century Illustration of the [[Gunpowder Plot of 1605]] *In 1605, an attempted bombing of the House of Lords took place. A group of men led by Robert Catesby conspired to destroy the house from underground with gunpowder during the State Opening of Parliament, in which King James I of England would be killed by the blast. The conspiracy was revealed and the gunpowder discovered under the House before it could be used; th...
just put a wall around London
 
@Cerberus yes, basic physics would tell you that. But does that achieve anything? Is there some sweet-spot in bomb-size where bomb-makers who are intent on killing commuters will just give up, because they have nowhere to hide the bomb, on account of "the holes are too small"?
Like Matt said earlier. I can put a lock on my door, but someone who wants in will just break the window.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Maybe one bomb-maker would fail to insert his bomb one time and be caught.
Maybe another might be forced to make a weaker bomb, killing fewer people.
 
maybe, maybe, maybe. That's all it is.
pure speculation.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 So you just remove all your locks? Or what is the moral?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hence my question, has there been any serious research? Because you were claiming things.
 
11:16 PM
@Cerberus No. For one thing, the incidence of home robberies is orders of magnitude higher than terrorism, and sometimes even simple deterrents are enough.
 
@Cerberus my point was you do something to make things a little more secure even if determined people will circumvent them
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 So that was a pretty silly metaphor...
 
@Cerberus I'm claiming that humans who want to blow stuff up are smart enough to try a second plan if the first one: hide it in the (non-existant) bins fails.
 
@MattЭллен Agreed. Provided that it does have some effect.
 
@Cerberus No, I wasn't finished. Locking the door has almost zero cost.
Removing garbage cans has a daily cost for the affected commuters and train-station-cleanup staff.
 
11:17 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Then you should have argued that it wasn't worth the cost. On which I have no opinion lacking any information about research and stuff.
 
@Cerberus "A stick of dynamite (0.19 kg, 75% nitroglycerin, no other explosives in the mixture of dynamite) contains roughly 1 MJ of energy. The energy density (joules/kilogram or J/kg) of dynamite is approximately 5 MJ/kg, compared to 4.0 MJ/kg of TNT (for TNT r.e. factor=1.00; for Nobel dynamite r.e. factor=1.25)." So, about 25% more powerful than an equivalent quantity of TNT.
 
@Cerberus I'll wait while you scroll up in the transcript to see that I did, in fact, argue that.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 but does make things easier for security services if a bomb threat is called in, because they don't have to search through the bins
 
@MattЭллен yay
 
@Robusto Soo...
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Then why did you try and argue against what I was saying?
 
11:19 PM
@Cerberus You are the one who jumped in and started arguing with me.
 
I don't think so.
 
@Cerberus "The megajoule (MJ) is equal to one million (106) joules, or approximately the kinetic energy of a one-tonne vehicle moving at 160 km/h (100 mph)." So a stick of dynamite has the force of five one-tonne vehicles moving at 100 mph. That's a lot of destructive power.
 
and you were agreeing all along!
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I just said that it was not impossible that removing or modernising garbage cans had some positive effects on potential bombings, but that I hadn't seen any research and didn't know.
 
Just because you're agreeing doesn't mean you have to be agreeable.
 
11:20 PM
@Robusto But how many people will it kill in a metro station?
 
@Cerberus I'm saying that I don't believe it would have any effect at all. Anyone who wants to hide the bomb under rock A will just choose rock B if you get rid of rock A.
 
And that is not the same as saying "it's not worth the cost".
 
@Cerberus The CIA will be paying your home a visit for that question.
 
11:21 PM
@Cerberus a bomb in a garbage can is not a good choice for maximum destruction anyway.
 
@Cerberus Christ, I don't know. Enough that we wouldn't want that to happen, don't you think? It's more powerful than a hand grenade, and you wouldn't want a hand grenade to go off in a metro station, would you?
 
@Cerberus Yes. That is, actually, the same thing. Because there IS a cost, and there is no benefit.
 
@tchrist Then I'll call the police.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 So?
 
@Cerberus I suspect that may not work.
Jammers.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It is not the same position.
 
11:22 PM
Dec 23 '11 at 3:57, by Robusto
All measurements are essentially arbitrary, whatever their rationale. And I decided long ago that I wasn't going to budge an inch on metric.
 
Or given the current Dutch situation, they might have the local strongmen take care of it for them.
 
Cerberus & Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 do you enjoy fighting about everything always?
 
Apr 3 '13 at 19:38, by Robusto
Hey, you metric folks: do you use the "within an inch of your life" idiom, do you convert it to metric, or just eschew it entirely? If the latter, you're missing out.
 
@JohanLarsson Not always.
 
@Robusto If a stick of dynamite kills many fewer people than some other kind of bomb that only fits into a garbage can with a large, vertical opening, then maybe it is worth it to change those cans.
@JohanLarsson Usually.
 
11:24 PM
@Cerberus Anyway changing the cans is a strawman. That isn't the scenario that's under discussion, it's removing the old cans and leaving nothing.
 
I wasn't commenting on that, just on this claim and nothing else:
 
@Robusto I just can’t wait until beleaguered becomes bequintakilometered.
 
> I'm saying that I don't believe it would have any effect at all.
 
@tchrist lulz
 
@tchrist We also have plenty of nautical expressions, and people have no idea what many of those meant.
 
11:25 PM
!!wiki Avitabile
 
Avitabile is a surname, and may refer to * Enzo Avitabile * Franck Avitabile * Paolo Di Avitabile
 
So there.
 
@Cerberus That’s rather naughty of you.
 
the rains have come!
 
Are they now?
 
11:26 PM
Did you know that Nauta is actually a famous Dutch surname?
 
General Paolo Crescenzo Martino Avitabile (Abu Tabela) (25 October 1791 – 28 March 1850) was an Italian soldier, mercenary and adventurer. A peasant's son born in Agerola, near Amalfi in Italy, he served in the Neapolitan militia during the Napoleonic wars. After Waterloo he drifted east like many other adventurous soldiers. In 1820 he joined the army of the Shah of Persia, attaining the rank of colonel and receiving several decorations before returning to Italy in 1824. He joined the army of Maharaja Ranjit Singh of the Punjab in 1827, and later also received various civilian appointmen...
 
Mine are brooding.
 
@MattЭллен Ohh would that you could give some of them to me!
 
@Cerberus Something about hazel, I think.
 
I could use some rain here, too hot to sleep
 
11:27 PM
@MattЭллен This is what passes for news in Merrie Olde England?
 
@tchrist Hazel?
 
@Cerberus Nuts.
 
I don't know the origin, but it might be the Greek word...
@tchrist The Nauta's aren't nuts.
 
@Matt: Do you take a brolly with you when you go out, normally?
 
@Robusto It's cucumber-sandwich time.
 
11:28 PM
@Cerberus Did you just commit a capital crime against the Apostrophic Jihad?
 
Hmm, Matt seems like a watercress man.
 
@Robusto Rocket to Adventure.
 
@Robusto well, their absence was news. no rain since yesterday, and lovely warm weather
@Cerberus I'll send you a water balloon
 
@tchrist It's Dutch apostrophy.
 
@MattЭллен An Irishman I knew complained about climate change screwing up the weather in the west of Ireland. "It only rained twice last week: once for three days, and the other time for four."
 
11:29 PM
@MattЭллен Umm...thanks!!
 
@Cerberus Apostasy.
 
what is apostasy?
 
@tchrist Transmarinery.
 
@MattЭллен Lovely and warm? In England? Where? When?
 
@tchrist
 
11:30 PM
It was horrible, stifling hot here.
 
@Robusto :D
 
@user44517 Damn it, user44517, I’m a programmer not a dictionary.
 
yea haha gtranslate then
 
!!define apostasy
 
@MattЭллен apostasy The renunciation of a belief or set of beliefs.
 
11:31 PM
 
Good Jarvis, have a treat
 
oh
 
!! tell @user44517 apostasy
 
I think that's cooler than here.
 
@JohanLarsson Command apostasy does not exist.
 
11:31 PM
apostasy?
 
It was 32 here, I think.
 
is there somekinda drug?
like ecstasy?
 
!!tell @user44517 apostasy
 
This room is its own drug
 
@Cerberus Command apostasy does not exist.
 
11:32 PM
!!tell @user44517 define apostasy
 
@Cerberus Don't be annoying, drop the @, nobody likes a double-ping.
 
me? apostasy?
 
!!tell Cerberus eval "tell user44517 define apostasy"
 
@Cerberus "tell user44517 define apostasy"
 
@Cerberus You have 78 right now. Why are you moaning?
 
11:32 PM
Looks like the real Kit is now operating the bot.
 
surely what is apostasy?
 
Oh wait.
You have the same weather as I have.
What are you doing in Colorado?
 
Apostatic electricity is electricity that just doesn't give a fuck anymore.
 
!!tell user44517 define apostasy
 
@tchrist It's the middle of the night. Tomorrow will be equally horrible.
 
11:33 PM
@user44517 apostasy The renunciation of a belief or set of beliefs.
 
oh
what is renunicaation
sorry my english
 
@MattЭллен Haha.
 
@user44517 well now you know how to ask Jarvis, you can find out for yourself!
 
How did the name of this fella change @MattЭллен
 
11:34 PM
@user44517 You will get your answer quicker if you go to dictionary.com and type in whatever word you want to look up.
 
@Cerb That’s you.
 
oh renuncation is rejection isnt it?
ahaha i see
 
It was Kit Sox?
 
@tchrist Pretty hot, huh?
 
@Noah Kit figured it was better that the bot's name have "bot" in it.
 
11:35 PM
@Noah yes, it was. but new people were getting confused between kitsox and kitfox, so Kit kindly changed the name of the bot
 
hey guys
 
@Cerb And that’s me. What are you doing in Colorado?
 
how can u speak jews and juice
god and got
sun and son
 
11:36 PM
Jews and Juice?
I drink juice but will never drink a Jew.
 
@Robusto Dew point, ick!
 
@tchrist At least you have to agree the weather sucks, right?
 
lol i mean how can u spell that both
 
@Noah Sounds like an interesting idea for a shop in Brooklyn.
 
good night y'all. play nice
 
11:37 PM
@Robusto Exactly.
 
@tchrist Hey, it's New England.
 
@Cerberus You seem to have a single day of what Rob and I get all week.
 
lets say someone. ask, i want juice
 
Right. But you have A/C everywhere and travel by car.
 
and ur friend give u jews girl
 
11:37 PM
@MattЭллен Night!
 
I see we’re back to Jewesses again.
 
@Cerberus I don't use A/C in my house. And as is documented elsewhere, I don't travel everywhere by car.
 
lets say it midnight
 
@user44517 Yeah, I will have a Jewish girl.
 
@Robusto Not even when it's really hot?
Perhaps your house is cooler?
 
11:38 PM
@Cerberus I have a window unit for the bedroom. I use it about four or five days a year.
 
I can survive one day of 30+ degrees in my house. It keeps the heat out for one day.
 
The rest of the time I handle the situation with the whole-house fan, which exhausts through the attic.
 
dʒuːs= Juice== jus
 
What temperature will it be inside after a week of 30 degrees outside?
 
"Let's clear the air, all of it," I said exhaustively.
 
11:39 PM
That would be nice.
 
Jew=dʒuː= Juez
 
Not many things beats rain for sleeping.
 
@user44517 These don't sound alike
 
@JohanLarsson Tru dat.
 
11:40 PM
 
Where can I see the list of mods?
 
@user44517 These don't sound alike
 
@Cerberus See?
 
@user44517 These sound the same but it almost never matters.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 They don't sound the same. There's a slight difference
 
11:41 PM
@Noah Not in my English there isn't.
 
if it sound same how can u differ it
 
@tchrist Looks similar enough. Bleh.
@JohanLarsson Yeah I like rain when I'm in bed.
 
@user44517 context
 
so u will ask again for explaination?
 
@user44517 The second person pronoun in English is you. If you want Dutch, talk to the dog.
 
11:42 PM
lol
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Well, in my English juice ends with "s" and Jews ends with z
 
^ looks similliar
 
@Noah No, sun and son.
 
@Noah You mislooked, this is about sun and son.
 
@Cerberus umm, okay. Sorry
 
11:43 PM
Deuce and juice sound the same, though, as do Jews and dues.
 
Those are the same
 
@Cerberus I think not.
 
Maybe the first consonant is slightly different.
If pronounced carefully.
 
yeah
 
But in rapid speech?
 
11:45 PM
@Cerberus Space cakes again, eh?
 
@Cerberus I agree with tchrist. Those are all pronounced differently.
 
hmmmm, ok
 
@Cerberus it's a lot different.
 
i am not english native speaker
 
In America, at least, deuce is either pronounced with a y-glide or not. In neither case does it sound like juice.
 
11:46 PM
Juice is /dʒus/, whereas deuce is /dus/ or if you are fancy then /djus/.
There is no /ʒ/ in deuce anywhere whatsoever.
 
I think that's a jinx.
 
dʒinks
 
@user44517 No, what I meant was that you can tell same-sounding-words apart by context. Nobody ever says "I took my sun and daughter to the pool" or "The son was shining in the sky" or anything like that. There is basically no chance that "son" will be mistaken for "sun" in any but the most contrived examples.
 
ai
 
@tchrist I would never ever say /dus/.
 
11:48 PM
@Cerberus How about if someone offered you 100 euros?
 
I'd sooner chew off my foot!
 
Anyway I'm outta here, cya folks
 
Bai.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 in some context yes, but how about this happens , sorry but like
"hey i wanna go to beach"
and lets say ur wife assume "u wil go to bitch"
 
@Cerberus lol I first read "jew off my foot"
 
11:49 PM
Haha.
There is no Jew on my foot.
 
@user44517 beach and bitch don't have the same vowel.
anyway. bye.
 
You beach.
 
and how "was" and were dirreneced?
 
@user44517 What is your native tongue? Russian?
 
asian
 
11:51 PM
> The UN Security Council approved a statement drafted by the British Government which called for “a full, thorough and independent international investigation”.
 
@user44517 Yourur, Youu.
 
Why does this ^ always make me think of Sir Humphrey? @terdon
 
@user44517 日本語?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Did jew really?
 
a i am not japanese
 
11:53 PM
中国語?
 
a bit, my mother fluent but i am not
 
@Cerberus Not even for a doe moose?
 
melayu
 
Maybe for a soul.
 
Where by doe I mean hind.
 
11:54 PM
We prefer to say hinde in Dutch.
 
Not doose? How sad!
 
These are all pronounced the same: doe, dough, do, and d'oh! Also d'eau.
 
> The reconstruction was essential in proving Flight 103 broke up mid-air after the detonation of Semtex high explosive concealed in a Toshiba radio cassette recorder, which was contained in a Samsonite suitcase in the aircraft’s hold.
 
@Cerberus Which flight was that?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 So a radio cassette recorder can down an aeroplane and kill 300. I don't think that's possible in a metro station?
@Robusto Lockerbie.
 
11:55 PM
Ah.
BTW, when I see the word "aeroplane" I think of biplanes and WWI.
 
@Robusto Yep.
No need for a spurious syllababble there.
 

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