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3:00 PM
Whether TPTB effected some solution, or whether someone got hit by a bus, I cannot say. I suppose those might conceivably be the same thing. :)
 
It may have been Google driving the bus.
 
They’re everywhere, ’tis true.
 
Ha! StreetView bus. Two birds and all that.
 
@AndrewLeach Am I allowed to ask?
 
@Mahnax I was cyber-bullied.
 
3:02 PM
@AndrewLeach BOO
 
@AndrewLeach I'm very sorry to hear that.
 
Hello.
 
@Cerberus Aaah!
 
Turns out 93 % use internet banking to transfer money here.
@AndrewLeach Slow.
Do you know figures for your countries?
 
What other means exist? Cheques are passé.
Or passés.
 
3:04 PM
How do you pay the yard-boy?
 
@AndrewLeach There was quite a concerted effort.
 
@tchrist If I had one, cash. If I had a milkman, cash. If I had papers delivered, debit card in the newsagents. In fact I expect the milkman has a card machine.
 
@AndrewLeach I don't know, they used to have these small forms you had to send to your bank once in a while?
 
@KitFox Yes, on all fronts. I'm grateful for the attention from TPTB and others.
 
We call them transfer forms, I think.
Overschrijvingsformulieren.
Pronounce that! And stress is on the first syllable! Secondary stress on -lie-, tertiary stress on -schrij- en -form-.
 
3:07 PM
Deposit slips.
 
Yes!
See? We win.
 
@Cerberus Of course the stress is on the first syllable. Just like English.
 
Yay!
Like laboratory?
And disciplinary?
 
@Cerberus *laboratorium
 
@Cerberus No, those are different.
 
3:09 PM
@Mahnax Laboratorium.
@AndrewLeach How?
 
@Cerberus Oops.
 
We say laboratorium.
 
Not sure I believe in tertiary stress.
 
@Cerberus Do you really?
 
But disciplinair, à la française.
@Mahnax Yes.
 
3:10 PM
Since it posits the existence of a four-level stress system. Way too oriental for English.
 
@tchrist Then pray harder.
 
@Cerberus Weird.
 
Wai?
We also say practicum.
 
Even spookier.
 
In German, they have the Latinum.
 
3:11 PM
@Cerberus lab-OR-a-tory; di-sci-PLIN-ary. O-ver-shry-vings-form-u-LEER-en.
 
Ah, a nice boolean system. Much better.
 
@tchrist Actually, it is just that similar stress levels are ascribed to the sentence level in English, because you write spaces where we don't. But I would say stress works in roughly the same way.
 
Stressed or not. And be done with it.
 
@AndrewLeach Sure, those are possible.
But I believe stress on the first syllable is the older pronunciation?
Or ar any rate it exists.
 
My friends have a dog that fetches stuff for them while at work. They call it their laboratory retriever.
 
3:15 PM
@Cerberus Very American.
 
No, the stress shift is nouvelle.
 
@AndrewLeach I apologise!
 
This is well documented.
 
There's also adversary and inventory to consider, which are not as one might expect.
 
@Cerberus Yes, they are stressed on the first syllable. As is matrimony.
 
3:17 PM
I mean, why is it invention, but inventory?
 
Gotta love these inNOVative new PROnunciations.
 
A great controversy indeed.
 
If anything, I would expect the stress to shift towards the right in longer words, but, instead, it goes to the left!
Adverse, adversary.
Hmm.
 
By changing XxXx > xXxx you alter the count of stressed syllables, which changes the rhythm entirely given that English is stress-timed. This further accelerates the kind of syllable reduction seen in medsin and secrachree.
 
Do you also write chree for tree?
And any word starting with tr-?
It's just ordinary weak aspiration, isn't it?
 
At last, a town where children are outlawed.
 
> The measure requires every head of household to own a gun and ammunition to “provide for the emergency management of the city” and to “provide for and protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants.”
 
It will take care of itself in a couple decades.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It's a militia.
 
That was the original intent of the Second Amendment after all.
 
3:32 PM
| every head of household
I LOL'ed
 
It's a way to lower taxes without lowering taxes.
 
Why is that funny?
 
@KitFox the original intent was to overthrow the government should they get tyrannical
 
So much for that idea.
 
@KitFox Because it's such an antiquated concept.
 
3:33 PM
What every citizen would pay for the police, they can now "keep", only to actually spend it on working as police themselves.
 
Wow.
What a strange, strange country.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Pretty sure it says "to have a well-armed militia" nothing about overthrowing governments.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Antiquated? That's on all our tax forms.
 
@KitFox It's in the declaration of independance
 
@KitFox What is its purpose then?
 
To sell guns, duh.
 
3:34 PM
@RegDwighт Then I would propose that they also use their own governemnt, and the USA should announce that all criminals and foreign invaders get a right of passage to this town.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 The Second Amendment is not in the Declaration of Independence.
 
@KitFox It means "the man of the house". And I find that notion charming, like an old racist grandma.
 
Heh.
 
When your only two exports are movies and wars, you better make sure that you can keep producing them.
 
@KitFox No, the reasoning behind the 2nd amendment is in the DoI
 
3:35 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Haha, exactly.
 
> A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
 
I mean, I am not for PC wishy-washy language, but there should be absolute zero legal and practical discrimination against anyone, not even women.
 
I don't see an overthrowing governments thing in there.
 
@KitFox Are you just pulling my chain?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 No, it means "head of household."
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Um, no.
 
3:36 PM
@KitFox yeah right. In your house, perhaps.
Not in that town, though.
 
Why does a household have a "head"?
 
As opposed to "dependents."
 
Who is to be the head?
 
It means the person making the money.
 
@Cerberus because not everyone wants to be a scrotum.
 
3:37 PM
@KitFox Walmart?
 
But usually both partners make some money.
 
@KitFox How else do “security” and “free” apply to gun ownership then?
 
@Mahnax Um thanks!
 
Hold on. Walmart is not making money no more.
Last I heard they were going out of business faster than disco ball producers.
 
Head of Household is a filing status for individual United States taxpayers. In order to use the Head of Household filing status, the taxpayer must do the following: # Be unmarried or considered unmarried as of the last day of the tax year; # Have paid more than half the cost of keeping up a home for the tax year (either one's own home or the home of a qualifying parent); and # In most cases, have a qualifying person who lived with the head in the home for more than half of the tax year except if the qualifying person is a dependent parent. (See Special rule for parents.) Advantages ...
 
3:38 PM
@tchrist Well, I would rather think that the security of a free state means to defend your country from invasion. Keep America free.
 
And what if the person making money is just getting interest from an inheritance and sitting at home, while the other person spends 40 hours a week doing voluntary work?
 
> That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
> Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same
> Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
 
Yeah, we were talking about the Second Amendment.
 
@RegDwighт Their shares increased in value by something like 5% in Q2 of 2012.
 
@tchrist Huh, unmarried?
 
3:39 PM
Teehee, Safety and Happiness.
 
The DoI clearly spells out the idea that sometimes you have to use guns to replace the government
 
The Second Amendment doesn't though.
 
@Mahnax Have you been to a Walmart? They are not selling shares there.
 
to be sure that that would forever be possible, they wrote the 2nd ammendment
 
Maybe. That's not what it says though.
 
3:40 PM
That's like saying that Mark Zuckerberg owns a billion. He does not.
 
@RegDwighт Maybe, maybe not. I don't go there.
 
And the argument in New Hampshire is that the state is required by the second amendment to provide a standing militia.
 
So, we are all expected to be some sort of domestic army? What kind of nonsense is that about? Lesson from the Swiss or something?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 But was the part about the militia written in this particular context?
 
Not for the purposes of overthrowing our government, but for Red Dawn-like plots.
@tchrist Yeah, duh. You been living under a rock?
 
3:41 PM
That’s dumb. And dangerous.
 
And why would you base the way your country is organised on a document from 200 years ago as though it were holy? The situation has changed.
 
I guess it must be proximity to the news.
 
@Cerberus looks around Me? I have nothing to do with the way my country is organised.
 
I know.
 
3:43 PM
I don't see how it's self-evident that everybody needs weapons to prevent against attacks from outside the country. That's what the government protects against. The problem is when the government uses that standing army against its own people.
That's why there are so many laws in the US limiting what Congress can do with the army on US soil
 
What else is a militia for?
 
@Cerberus Remarkable, isn’t it?
 
I just find it odd that people should be looking at pre-industrial documents to guide them.
 
You don't keep militia around to overthrow the government. That's just nonsensical.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 except thanks to Obama the laws are obsolete.
 
3:44 PM
@tchrist Indeed.
 
@KitFox what do you mean? it actually happened in the US!
 
But how did the industrial revolution changed how we govern ourselves?
 
@RegDwighт You think Obama did that?
 
I know for a fact Obama did that.
 
I have a theory.
 
3:44 PM
Obama himself knows he did that.
 
@Cerberus Just because the Constitution is old doesn't mean it's wrong.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 The Brits dictated a militia in the US for the purposes of overthrowing their rule? Ridiculous.
 
This damned holy-holy-holy thing on the Constitution is idiotic. Go to church for that nonsense. Nobody every stops to ask whether the Constitution got shit wrong. Which is obviously has.
Slavery.
 
@tchrist It changed society a great deal, most especially in America. You now no longer have a frontier.
 
Prostitution, I mean prohibition.
 
3:45 PM
@KitFox No. I mean the Americans used their militias to overthrow the government.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It just shouldn't be holy.
 
Women can’t vote.
 
It should be revised.
 
@Cerberus Is it about brontosauruses?
 
Everybody should be a gun-nut.
 
3:46 PM
@Cerberus What do you think Amendments are?
 
All kinds of weird wrong shit in the Constitution.
 
@Cerberus No but that doesn't mean that it should be discarded either.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Where?
 
@KitFox Isn't that what happened?
 
3:47 PM
@aediaλ Yes, sort of; it is about how many of the first settlers were religious fanatics.
@KitFox Yes, moar!
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Just changed. Modernised.
 
@Cerberus And yet surprisingly most of the founders were quite liberal and secular for their time.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I'm so confused. How does "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state" = "Americans need to keep guns to overthrow our government"?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 But a comparatively large proportion of the first settlers were religious fanatics.
Was this also the case in Canada?
 
@KitFox Because if the government becomes tyrannical, and the state stops being free, the people can shoot them out of office, thus maintaining Freedom.
@Cerberus I don't think so
 
We already have an army. We already have a police force. We do not need cowboys and vigilantes, thank you very much.
 
3:49 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Well, but that's not a militia.
 
Surely the purpose of allowing guns is so that the government can co-opt (or coerce) people into the army with the intent of protecting its own borders?
 
@KitFox Sure it is. Or could be. What is a militia for? You have armies to protect against outsiders and police and national guard to deal with domestic problems.
 
A militia is a backup emergency military force that you call out when you're being invaded.
Like reserve troops.
 
That’s nuts.
 
@AndrewLeach Exactly.
 
3:50 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 OK. And are you less religious than the USA?
 
@KitFox No... it's just any organized military force.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 No, it's not. It's specifically not.
 
A professional army is not just a bunch of cowboys and related criminals armed with Saturday night specials.
 
Militia is not the same thing as army.
It is very different.
 
@AndrewLeach You don't need guns at home for that. Many countries have compulsory military service to that end.
 
3:50 PM
 
We haven’t been invaded for more than 200 years. This is all stupid. And dangerous.
We are the ones doing the invading.
 
@Cerberus I know that; you know that; but do they know that?
 
Wait, why are we debating what to call this armed force? What in the world does the name change? It's a label. Call it militia, call it Susan, it's still there.
 
Call up the reserves != Granny gets a gun
 
Because the amendment doesn't say "A well regulated army being necessary to the security of a free state"
 
3:52 PM
@KitFox There are lots of meanings attached to the word "militia".
A militia (), generally refers to an army or other fighting force that is composed of non-professional fighters; citizens of a nation or subjects of a state or government that can be called upon to enter a combat situation, as opposed to a professional force of regular soldiers or, historically, members of the fighting nobility. Some of the ways the term is used include: * Defense activity or service, to protect a community, its territory, property, and laws. * The entire able-bodied population of a community, town, county, or state, available to be called to arms. ** A subset of these ...
 
Yes. Specifically not professional soldiers. Specifically not regular enlisted.
 
I’m convinced that the Second Amendment has to be deleted lock, stock, and barrel.
 
Anyway, I don't think I'm alone in interpreting the 2nd Amendment as a provision against government tyranny. Even many gun nuts agree... just look at the guy that Piers Morgan interviewed.
 
@KitFox let me rephrase: why are we discussing what the amendment says? How many Presidents shitting on any and all Amendments are needed to drive the message home that it does not matter jack what the Amendments are saying?
 
It has become evil, or at least, put to evil uses.
 
3:53 PM
@KitFox I didn't say professional soldiers.
 
So the second commandment needs to die, just like they deleted that commandment about not coveting thy neighbor’s man-servant.
 
@aediaλ So that is how you see me?
@AndrewLeach I...would think so, since compulsory service has existed since...actually, how old is it? I would imagine very old?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I rather interpret it as, "we don't want to decide on this right now".
@tchrist But the English law where you are allowed to shoot a Welshman with a bow near the border should be kept!
 
@Cerberus No, no! I just always mentally hear the words "I have a theory" in the voice of Anne Elk.
 
Hehe.
I know, I know.
By the way, I am busy putting someone on the throne.
I think it will have to be A.
 
Oh!
 
3:58 PM
Need some help of you guys.
 
Have you finished the game yet?
 
Hi
 
I think I replayed that part a couple times, because all of the choices were so heartbreaking.
 
I'm still in the Alienage quest.
 
I typically don't go back to savegames unless something is disastrously foobar, but I couldn't help it.
 
3:59 PM
Really??
I reload all the time!
 
I need 100 difficult vocab.
 
The real moment where you have to decide hasn't happened for me yet.
 
I might reload from a quicksave if I misclicked in some important dialogue or something.
 
OK.
 
Could you please help me out?
 
4:00 PM
I might reload every second.
 
@Sudhir I'm not sure what you're asking for help with, Sudhir.
@Cerberus Heh. I don't think I would ever get through games if I let myself do that.
 
I need some 100 difficult words.
Like TOEFL.
 
And by whose criteria do they need to be difficult? Surely you can flip through a dictionary and find 100 words you don't know?
 
@aediaλ:I've exam
in which very hard words come.
 
@aediaλ Yeah, that's why it takes so long. And why I took a break of several months.
 
@KitFox:Great!!
 
You're genius.
Hats off!
@KitFox:Thanks for your help.
 
Yeah sure. Next time, you try it for yourself.
 
Sure.
How's your ear?
 
4:09 PM
I still can't hear.
 
sad face
 
@KitFox Haha.
Aww.
 
It's OK. She put me on a cephalosporin, which I might possibly be allergic too, so I'm freaked out every second.
But it has a good chance of working.
 
Oh, dear.
Any sign of an allergic reaction so far?
 
I don't know. Probably not. Just thinking about it makes me itchy.
And I'm already having a hard time breathing.
 
4:12 PM
Hmm.
Then it's probably nothing.
Booze is probably not allowed due to the antibiotics?
 
I don't know. Probably not.
 
@KitFox: My best wishes are with you.
 
I should get lunch. bbl
 
What you take in your lunch?
 
4:39 PM
What am I having for lunch? A pulled pork sandwich.
 
For what?
Also, this is infernally tough to find the dup on because of stop words:
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Q: Where are you AT?

user41704Is the use of the redundant "at" a regional idiosyncracy? As in "Where are you at?" when asking someone their physical location, or progress in a project? It seems to be a Chicago regional saying.

I am positive we have that question already, maybe multiple times.
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Q: "Where are you now at?" — grammatically correct?

xenonShould I say "Where are you at now?" or "Where are you now at?" Which is grammatically correct? And is there any difference in meaning between the two?

 
@Reg would know.
 
4:54 PM
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Q: "I know where you work at" vs. "I know where you work"

TarikWhich one is correct? I don't need to know where you work at. I don't need to know where you work. Could you also please tell me about this rule is called in grammar so I can learn more about it?

 
Well, there's one.
 
Somewhere @Rob has a comment (or maybe an answer) hedging about how “that’s where it’s at” has an old-style hipsterish interpretation about what where the cool action is to be had, something like that.
 
@tchrist Sounds like your answer on the above question.
 
Now I know why I remembered it had to be a dupe.
Wonder why I have a nebulous feeling that Rob mentioned it.
 
It's different than that though. This one is asking about the regional extent (if there is one).
@tchrist I linked it.
 
4:57 PM
Thanks.
I don’t think it is regional, though.
 
Still. I think it makes it sufficiently different. And I think it is regional. People don't say that here, but I heard it regularly in the South.
 
People often think that if they hear something, it must be local to them. Or if they don’t hear something, it does not happen at all.
Because they project their experience on the entire world, despite having no evidence to that effect.
@KitFox It sounds like teenage slang to me.
Or at least, lingo.
 
Mos Def uses it, so not teenage and not South.
 

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