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I'm just saying that I did try to max out once by checking my downvotes, and it didn't work because they kept being counted for the days they had been cast on.

tchrist

I have an old day with nearly but not quite 200 that if I had not downvoted, I would have hit.

RegDwighт

So I got some rep back, but no maxing out.

tchrist

If it works retro, wouldn’t that make that day hit 200?

RegDwighт

@tchrist Try it. That's perfect.

tchrist

12:09 AM

Ok, it’s during Christmas hats. I’ll find it.

I only noticed it after the fact, and never realized the retro thing.

Done.

Hm, the rep recalc didn’t retro. Let me look more closely.

RegDwighт

Could take some time.

The one in your profile takes a long time anyway. Not sure about the actual rep report.

tchrist

Those are the two unupvotes, which were counted against the new GMT day that just began. Well, we’ll see.

RegDwighт

That is so not what happened to me.

Of course they could have changed anything and everything.

tchrist

-- 2012-09-04 rep +198  = 13363
 2     80652 (10)
 2     80652 (10)
 3     80705 (-1)
 2     80742 (10)
 3     80719 (-1)
 2     80652 (10)
 1     67901 (15)

That was the one I was trying to bump, from a rep recalc. If it is actually a recalc.

Yeah, they do change stuff all the time.

RegDwighт

So is there still a button at the bottom? (Or again?)

I think they took it out at some point.

tchrist

12:19 AM

OH!

There is.

RegDwighт

I don't even know where my rep report is anymore. I always navigate there via the address bar.

tchrist

And it is back.

It is under english.stackexchange.com/reputation for anyone.

RegDwighт

Yes, but I mean in the GUI.

It used to be linked from your rep.

Then from somewhere else.

Then from nowhere. Which is the status quo I think.

So I just type the URL manually.

tchrist

The button is at the bottom of the manual one. But it changed nothing.

RegDwighт

Hah.

tchrist

12:21 AM

I imagine they removed the easy links so not many people would run it. :)

RegDwighт

So they are giving you ghost rep now or what?

tchrist

Ah, that’s on MSO.

If you mean the J@sper-like cases.

If you have a lot of rep and get deleted or self-delete, they don’t zap people.

Er, if the rep delta would be too great.

Dunno the metric. Anna posted about it.

RegDwighт

Yeah I know.

tchrist

Or are you meaning some other kind of ghost rep?

RegDwighт

I was talking about your undownvotes.

tchrist

12:22 AM

I got it given to me today.

Not retro. Oddly.

RegDwighт

They are giving you rep back but not the actual rep you lost so it's not really back.

tchrist

What do you mean?

RegDwighт

That the minus oneses are still in your rep report.

They should be gone.

tchrist

Whoa.

Wait.

RegDwighт

Everything else is not giving back.

It's giving you something new instead.

tchrist

12:24 AM

I just went down the 2 I had gained, and I’ll be darned if I can see where. Weird.

RegDwighт

Teehee.

Well, that'd be like the most elaborate April 1st prank ever.

tchrist

Yes, something new. There is still the -1 on the old day that I tweaked.

And my button is gone.

RegDwighт

A one-time button. Press with care.

tchrist

The button doesn’t appear if ?recalc=true is set in the GET.

Must be in the submit input widget.

It does if you type it anew.

RegDwighт

That's crazy. These geeks. What will they invent next?

tchrist

12:26 AM

Time travel, I would hope.

But they don’t seem to want to change the past. I cannot imagine why not. :)

RegDwighт

Because everyone would try to kill Hitler, and all from different angles, shooting each other in the process.

Thus humanity would cease to exist.

WendiKidd

@tchrist I don't want to see the past, I want to go to the future!

tchrist

Isn’t the standard way to find other time travellers to travel back to Golgotha “today”?

RegDwighт

Future? Where we're going, we don't need future!

WendiKidd

@RegDwighт Oh yeah? Where are we going? ;)

RegDwighт

12:29 AM

To the roads, duh.

WendiKidd

lol

tchrist

Wanna know a bug in the counting that lets you get Research Assistant really easily?

I know Reg has it, of course.

RegDwighт

Hit the road, Jack. And note how it's not hit the future.

tchrist

They do not count edits of Excerpts for badge purposes.

We know that.

However, they do count them if you add a new Excerpt, even if you do not add a real Wiki.

This only works upon creation.

But it makes it way more easierish.

I ended up losing interesting in Excerpts though.

Cerberus

> [there are] almost 600,000 registered sex offenders in the U.S.

tchrist

12:31 AM

So added some others that needed it, plus edits.

RegDwighт

Wait what was RA again? I thought the whole point was that they counted adding new excerpts.

tchrist

RA is 50 tag wiki edits.

Excerpt editing does not count.

But Excerpt creation, for some reason, apparently does.

RegDwighт

@Cerberus yeah, but how many sex offenders did the almost 600,000 register? Two?

Cerberus

@RegDwighт It's not a complete sentence, you owl!

RegDwighт

@Cerberus exactly. That's why I'm asking how to complete it.

Cerberus

12:33 AM

Here are some "sex crimes":

> 243.4(D)(1) (PRIOR CODE) TOUCH PERSON INTIMATELY AGAINST WILL FOR SEXUAL AROUSAL/ETC

RegDwighт

Why are you shouting? Is that an order?

And how do I touch a person for etc?

tchrist

@Cerberus Why the scare-quotes? You think otherwise?

Cerberus

> 266I(B) PANDERING WHERE PROSTITUTE IS UNDER 16

@RegDwighт Just try everywhere.

tchrist

Where I guess pandering means buying a whore.

Well, renting one.

RegDwighт

Wait, 16 is okay?

What crazy country is that?

Shakespearean England?

tchrist

12:34 AM

Tennessee?

Smells like a state statute.

RegDwighт

I thought in Tennessee it was officially illegal to have sex with your boots on.

Cerberus

> 286(E) SODOMY WHILE CONFINED IN PRISON OR JAIL

RegDwighт

I'm not making shit up, only the state perhaps.

tchrist

@RegDwighт Not many sheep there.

RegDwighт

There are some crazy sex laws in the various States.

Cerberus

12:36 AM

> 288(C) LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACTS WITH CHILD 14 OR 15 YEARS OLD

tchrist

@Cerberus What? It’s hardly like you have any choice in the matter. They’re punishing the rape victims then.

Cerberus

> 288A(B)(1) ORAL COPULATION WITH PERSON UNDER 18 YEARS

tchrist

@Cerb You gotsta tell us the State.

RegDwighт

Where really you are prescribed how to touch or not touch your wife and what to wear while doing so.

tchrist

@Cerberus I know that is not correct.

Cerberus

12:36 AM

> 288A(E) ORAL COPULATION WHILE CONFINED IN PRISON OR JAIL

@tchrist California.

tchrist

@Cerberus It makes it hardly worth one’s while to go there, then.

RegDwighт

@Cerberus so wait, renting a 16-yo whore is okay but not for blowjobs?

Cerberus

> 288A(I) ORAL COPULATION: VICTIM INTOXICATED

tchrist

“Victim”?

Cerberus

@RegDwighт I guess!

> 288A(A) ORAL COPULATION

This is a separate entry with no sub-entries.

tchrist

12:37 AM

So drunken irrumation is a crime?

That makes no sense.

RegDwighт

waits for "288A(Q) COPULATION"

Cerberus

> 288.3(a) CONTACTING MINOR W/INTENT TO COMMIT SEX OFFENSE

RegDwighт

Haha that's brilliant.

tchrist

So any sort of oral sex is a statutory sex crime? Disbelieve.

Cerberus

> 289(F) SEXUAL PENETRATION WITH FOREIGN OBJECT: VICTIM BELIEVES IT'S SPOUSE

tchrist

12:39 AM

OFFS

RegDwighт

Okay this is April 1st.

Cerberus

@tchrist There may be an error in the law, but that's what it says.

tchrist

Ah.

Cerberus

No, this is serious!

I swear.

> 289(D) SEXUAL PENETRATION: FOREIGN OBJECT: VICTIM UNAWARE OF NATURE OF ACT

RegDwighт

I was serious about keeping the boots on, though.

@Cerberus I am pretty sure that swearing is illegal as well.

tchrist

12:39 AM

Can that foreign object be a non-spousal member that one believes to be the spousal one?

Nature of act?

Cerberus

@RegDwighт Sowwy.

> 289(H) SEXUAL PENETRATION WITH FOREIGN OBJECT: VICTIM UNDER 18 YEARS

tchrist

Pretty sure that doesn’t apply to two 16-year-olds using a double-dildo on each other.

Cerberus

@tchrist Huh, what did you do just there? I didn't understand what you were doing. I thought it was just your you-know-what, but OMG it's a foreign object! The germs!

RegDwighт

The only thing that law proves is that California does, in point of fact, treat women as objects.

tchrist

I missed the wymyn part.

RegDwighт

12:41 AM

Foreign objects, no less.

Cerberus

> 311.1(A) ADVERTISE OBSCENE MATTER DEPICTING MINOR.

RegDwighт

@tchrist well it goes without saying that gays are objects.

tchrist

Tools, you mean.

RegDwighт

I just watched a horrible, horrible movie with Peter O'Toole.

Supergirl.

From 1984.

Cerberus

> 311.2(C) POSSESS OR DISTRIBUTE OBSCENE MATERIAL DEPICTING MINOR (MISDEMEANOR) MATTER OF MINOR TO MINOR WITH PRIOR CONVICTION

tchrist

12:42 AM

Man, what do we have to do, protect anything with 1,000 views or more?

Cerberus

> 314.1 INDECENT EXPOSURE; 314.2 ASSIST ACT OF INDECENT EXPOSURE

tchrist

Assist?

Cerberus

> 647A(1) ANNOY OR MOLEST CHILDREN

tchrist

One needs help indecently exposing oneself?

Annoy?

ANNOY?

Cerberus

Oh God, I must have annoyed children so many times.

tchrist

12:43 AM

Pervert!

RegDwighт

"You're not getting the chewing gum, Justin!"

Bam, you're in gaol.

tchrist

-1

A: "If we were to agree" vs "If we are to agree"

Really, mind boggling. Don't know which one is correct.

Cerberus

> 288A(F)(3) ORAL COPULATION: VICTIM NOT AWARE DUE TO PERPETRATORS FRAUD

tchrist

Mind? What mind?

RegDwighт

No he wants you to mind the boggling.

tchrist

12:44 AM

But who is the victim?

RegDwighт

Really.

Cerberus

> 311.3(B)(5) SEXUALLY EXPLOIT MINOR: EXHIBIT GENITALS

RegDwighт

Mar 21 '12 at 17:23, by RegDwight Ѭſ道

Cerberus

(Whose?)

tchrist

So you give somebody a blow job, and they don’t know it’s a blow job due to fraud, are they the victim? Or if you give a blow job but do not know you are giving that blow job, does that make you the victim? I just cannot understand these stealthy blowjobs.

RegDwighт

12:46 AM

I guess you could find out, for 50 bucks and 2 years in jail.

tchrist

What’s the $50 for?

RegDwighт

For paying the ho for a stealthy bj.

Cerberus

> 647.6(a)(2) ANNOY/MOLEST PERSON BELIEVED TO BE UNDER 18 YEARS OLD

tchrist

Wait.

Cerberus

That was all.

tchrist

12:47 AM

But they aren’t really?

And it is a crime?

RegDwighт

It is a thought crime, silly.

tchrist

I think you’re 17.99 years old, but you are 22, and suddenly I am a criminal?

Cerberus

Now what happens if you do any of these things? You get a GPS ankle bracelet for life. No exceptions.

tchrist

I think not.

Cerberus

And that is on top of your punishment.

70 % of Californians votes for this measure.

RegDwighт

12:48 AM

@Cerberus well hold on. A judge will have a say in that.

tchrist

You know, there is no way to get reasonable laws about these things: because people need to get re-elected.

RegDwighт

The law means nothing without a judge.

And with a judge it means even less.

Cerberus

@RegDwighт It is the law that all registered sex offenders must wear the bracelet for life.

tchrist

Ah, but sometimes they strip judges of the ability to judge. Mandatory crap. SCOTUS is not amused by this, BTW.

Cerberus

It is very clear. Little room for interpretation.

Yeah, just like minimum punishments.

tchrist

12:49 AM

This smells like cruel and unusual punishment to me.

RegDwighт

@Cerberus but it is a judge who's to decide whether you get registered or not, no?

Cerberus

So possessing a funny cartoon of someone's exposing his genitals to a child makes it so that you have wear a GPS ankle bracelet for the rest of your life. That is the most reasonable interpretation of the law.

RegDwighт

And anyway. They passed the law themselves. Whom are you gonna pity now, them?

If California passes a law that all Californians must be executed on the spot, what do I care?

Cerberus

@RegDwighт Yes, but the law I have quoted from instructs judges when to register a person as a sex offender.

tchrist

Texas Sex Offenders In Sight Of Rare Policy Win

Cerberus

12:51 AM

@RegDwighт Well, it would be sad, wouldn't it?

RegDwighт

Not for me.

I can't change shit about it anyway.

Cerberus

But for them.

RegDwighт

I feel like I'm talking to Vitaly again.

Cerberus

A perverted society to come up with such a law.

Yeah, why don't you ever bring him here any more?

hits gong

tchrist

> The Texas proposal that would require sex offenders to list their convictions on social media profiles was filed by Democrats’ go-to political attack dog, state Rep. Trey Martinez Fischer.

> In 2001, for example, a Texas judge ordered sex offenders to place conspicuous signs in their front yards announcing their convictions to neighbors.

Cerberus

12:53 AM

"I once possessed a cartoon of a some guy exposing his genitals to a child, which I found in my grandfather's house after he had died."

tchrist

> They say the result is growing ranks of unemployable and homeless outcasts, who then become more likely to commit new crimes.

Cerberus

Exactly.

RegDwighт

Tax money at work. I mean, you do expect these people to do something, right? Well, all laws that make any amount of sense have long been passed, so they have no other choice but pass rubbish.

Cerberus

Why do Americans like witch-hunts so much? Get over it already!

@RegDwighт Oh, I can think of some laws that would make sense!

RegDwighт

@Cerberus but you're not getting paid for that. So cease.

And anyway, I was going to build that fox, and you pang me, and now it's sexual offenders all over. I never agreed to this turn of events.

tchrist

12:56 AM

Oughta be a law,.

Cerberus

Never did I you ping!

user19161

So my enemy's downvotes on me got reversed, lol.

Cerberus

> Earlier this month, a New York man took his GPS tracking device apart, removed it, and reassembled it in 60 seconds. He later allegedly raped a 10-year-old girl and stabbed a woman in a small town in the suburbs of Syracuse, New York.

RegDwighт

Plus it's like three o'clock. Or four. This stupid time-shift is so asinine.

So I'm outta here for today.

user19161

Happy Easter and Happy April Fool!

Cerberus

12:57 AM

I know!!

RegDwighт

@JasperLoy what downvotes? You don't even exist.

Cerberus

Good night.

user19161

@RegDwighт On the other site, lol.

Cerberus

So the ankle bracelets just don't work at all. ^

RegDwighт

@JasperLoy ah. Then I suppose you're informing the wrong chat room.

user19161

12:58 AM

@RegDwighт Don't make me sad...

RegDwighт

@Cerberus so if they don't work, all your getting up in arms about them was pointless.

user19161

@RegDwighт I will be deleting my only account in a month's time, lol.

Cerberus

@RegDwighт No, they are extremely harmful, unjust, and to top if off they achieve the opposite of their intended purpose!

RegDwighт

And to top it off I don't care one bit!

Cerberus

Have fun with your foxen.

tchrist

1:00 AM

Or vixen.

user19161

@MετάEd Nice egg!

tchrist

Or donner and blitzen. Wait, wrong holiday.

user19161

Guys, did you see the April Fool bot?

tchrist

Ah, so it really is Jasper after all.

user19161

Why? I saw it long ago.

user19161

1:02 AM

Just thought I would share.

RegDwighт

@Cerberus See, the ideal world is not where you care if someone 10000 miles away is wearing an ankle bracelet unjustly. The ideal world is where you only care that the few people around you don't, and when everybody does that nobody will be wearing any ankle bracelets anywhere.

tchrist

Nice.

user19161

I think you guys should be nicer to Sudhir.

user19161

He is just asking English questions in an English chat room.

user19161

You can always ignore him if you want.

user19161

1:04 AM

But I think what he is doing is perfectly legitimate.

Cerberus

@RegDwighт Uh okay.

RegDwighт

I never even noticed him around. I guess he's in an incompatible timezone.

tchrist

Good for you.

user19161

I don't like to see people being pseudobullied.

tchrist

He even got chastised by Tim Post, IIRC.

Cerberus

1:05 AM

He's not evil, but he keeps pinging people and demanding attention.

user19161

And the treatment given to Sudhir I consider pseudobullying.

tchrist

He has been told repeatedly not to do that.

user19161

Who cares about Tim Post?

tchrist

By fellow lusers, by mods, and by employees.

user19161

I am talking reason here.

tchrist

1:05 AM

No, you are talking nonsense, Jasper, and you know it.

RegDwighт

@Cerberus well I'm serious. What do you care for a sex offender in California? How are you going to change his life? How is he going to affect yours? It's pointless. Spend that time on someone you know, where you can make a difference, and have a difference be made in return. Everyone wins everywhere.

user19161

English chat room is for English, QED.

user19161

Yes, we like to talk about other things, fine.

user19161

But what's wrong with him asking English?

RegDwighт

And with that I'm off!

Happy chatting.

tchrist

1:06 AM

@RegDwighт It’s because he is young.

Cerberus

@RegDwighт It's not or-or, and I do not pretend I can change people across the globe.

user19161

The problem is the excessive pinging which can be solved by ignoring.

tchrist

That is not acceptable, Jasper. He is an obnoxious twit.

Cerberus

It can indeed be ignored.

So I am not really bothered by him.

user19161

Maybe I am using flawed logic here, but I sense some prejudice against Sudhir.

user19161

1:07 AM

So I am here to speak my mind.

Cerberus

But he is to blame here.

tchrist

No, it is postjudice.

user19161

This is part of my executing justice in the world.

tchrist

There is no prejudice. You’re going nutter on us.

Cerberus

He's not really listening to people when they suggest he change his behaviour.

user19161

1:08 AM

It's OK, you can call me a nut, I am a nut anyway.

tchrist

Mar 17 at 15:17, by Tim Post

@Sudhir Chat is fine for the occasional one-off question that really would not make sense posting to the main site. But it's not the best place to ask all of your questions.

user19161

Yes, but the language used against Sudhir is also too strong. Remember there is the "ignore" button.

tchrist

Show me, Jasper, this abusive crap you’re pretending is undeserved.

user19161

Well, you guys know what I am saying.

user19161

If you don't it's alright.

user19161

1:09 AM

I am only here to speak my mind, you can disagree.

Cerberus

That's fine.

tchrist

I volunteer Jasper to sacrifice himself in servicing Sudhir’s incessant pestering. Personally. Each and every time. Be a model citizen. Answer his constant harangue.

user19161

Like I have said 9000 times, there is the "ignore" button.

user19161

And what is the title of this room?

user19161

This room is about English Language, not gossip.

user19161

1:10 AM

If we can gossip, so can he ask English questions.

user19161

With that, over and out! Happy Easter and Happy April Fool.

tchrist

Mar 17 at 15:17, by Tim Post

@Sudhir Chat is fine for the occasional one-off question that really would not make sense posting to the main site. But it's not the best place to ask all of your questions.

@Jasper If you have an argument with TPTB, take it up with them.

user19161

@tchrist No argument here, just speaking my mind and using some common sense.

user19161

OK, bye everyone, feel free to ignore my rantings!

tchrist

/ignore rantings

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

1:17 AM

@reg rebrickable emailed this to me, thought it was funny that it's the second moc it thinks I can build with my collection: rebrickable.com/mocs/Schwallex/…

Cerberus

Aww.

It can pick up things with its antlers!

freewaregenius.com/…

> A new study entitled “25 Years of Vulnerabilities” by security firm Sourcefire released in March attributes 81% of instances of mobile malware to the iPhone and iOS, compared to 9% for Android, 6% for Windows phones, and 4% for Blackberry.

> The growth rate of iOS related vulnerabilities is itself going up; in contrast to Android, where instances of vulnerabilities actually declined in 2012 compared to 2011 despite the fact that Android has grown in terms of market share in that period.

simchona

@jasper common sense on his part would involve taking criticism and not pestering mods, users, and employees for personal info as well as inane questions

user19161

@simchona Tru dat. Happy April Fool. Over and out!

Cerberus

@JasperLoy Haha wtf, really? You were joking all along?

tchrist

OFFS

What a beast!

Cerberus

1:29 AM

> even in the Mac’s heyday, it only occupied around 13% of America’s business desktops… and by “desktops,” in this case, I mean the actual tops of actual metal and wooden desks in actual offices of companies around the world. ... Today, Macs are on fewer than 5% of those metal and wooden desktops, worldwide.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Cerberus :D

Cerberus

Yay!

@tchrist He has defeated you?

tchrist

searches for his long-range caponation shears

@Cerberus Call off the jihad; it’s unbecoming.

Damned kids.

Get off my lawn!

Cerberus

Nay.

tchrist

turns on the sprinkler

Cerberus

1:31 AM

I must go on until the demon is dead.

tchrist

Microsoft is the Evil Empire, the devil incarnate. Don’t be a fool.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

And Apple is merely the village idiot?

Cerberus

> most malware that can infect Windows 8 desktop machines can also infect smartphones and tablets running Windows 8.

@tchrist Better?

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Haha.

Apple is now arguably more evil than M$$.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Village idiots are damaging, especially if they have a large following.

tchrist

@Cerberus Nope. They didn’t fuck up the directory separator. &c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&‌c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&‌c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&‌c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c&c

Cerberus

1:36 AM

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 True.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@tchrist mmm, delicious ampersands.

Wow. So, twenty-ish years into using the tubes, I have a web site. It's really fun.

Cerberus

> ... my wife still preferred the iPhone, primarily because we have an iPhone speaker, a Bose SoundDock 2 that we like a lot. That investment was the reason she was holding out for the iPhone 5, but now, because the iPhone 5′s connector has changed, and because the SoundDock requires the old iPhone connector, she is going to buy a Samsung Galaxy S3.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

An actual, hosted site. Not a blogger blog.

Hello @Mahnax

How was the bizarro store?